GYMN-L Digest - 26 Jul 1996 - Special issue
There
are 16 messages totalling 607 lines in this
issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. Women's AA final (SPOILERS)
2. Tesh
article at ESPNET
3. Men's AA
final--complete scores; also EF qualifiers
4. PODS!!!
5. Chinese Men's team
6. WAG AA Comments
7. John Tesh:
it could be worse
8. Milo!! / crowd
9. Pae Gil Su
10. Misutin not
in AA??
11. Compulsory trivia
question ...
12. Dawes' FX
score
13. Lilya's
coaches?
14. Posting from the
Tape Coordinator
15. My web
site update
16. European Wide
Screen Broadcasts
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 13:04:52
EDT
From: ***@BBN.COM
Subject:
Women's AA final (SPOILERS)
I had been hoping for something like the
men's AA final, with almost all the
top
competitors hitting all their routines, but I guess it was just not to be,
except for the medallists. Let's hope we see something more
like
Tuesday night for event finals.
Congratulations
to Podkopayeva and the trio of Romanians for their
well-deserved
success. I just wish that Khorkina, Dawes, and Miller
hadn't
had such problems.
The secret of how to win Olympic woman's AA while
the reigning AA world champion
is revealed--you
must be Ukrainian :-)!
No one who medalled got less
than a 9.7 on any routine.
Miller's FX was the only sub-9.5 score
among the top 14 finishers.
An example of how tight the competition was:
Not only would Mo have
won silver if she hadn't
stepped out of bounds on her FX; if Miller had
not
given up (my guess) .1 each on her 3 shaky FX landings, _she_ would
have won the silver.
I'm sure a lot of the competitors were thinking
"if only" thoughts about small mistakes last night, let
alone big ones.
The coverage on NBC was much better last night,
although I could have done
with a little more of Gogean, and a little footage of the awards
ceremony, and a little less of the literally
in-your-face
camera shots. Was Mo closing her eyes in
concentration, or was she
thinking, "Maybe if
I keep my eyes shut, this guy will go away and
leave
me alone."? And I absolutely
loathe the ghoulish practice of
training the
camera on a dejected athlete and leaving it there.
If you must show
"the agony of defeat," please keep it to a quick shot,
no longer than the one of Khorkina
sitting on the floor after her
fall from
bars. I wonder what the
non-American competitors make
of all these guys
crouching around with cameras. Some
seem amused
(like Milo), but a lot look bemused
and/or a bit annoyed.
Still don't understand why Mo's bars were scored
so high, or
Dawes' floor so low, but it didn't make any difference in
the
medal standings.
>>Kathy
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:17:01
-0600
From: ***@STUDENTS.UIUC.EDU
Subject:
Re: Tesh article at ESPNET
Just wanted to
let everyone know about a very funny article on Tesh
at
ESPNET.sportszone.com--follow features from there or look for Tesh. For
all of you Tesh bashers, this is a
must see, very funny and very mean to
him.
Jill
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 13:17:43
EDT
From: ***@BBN.COM
Subject:
Men's AA final--complete scores; also EF qualifiers
These finally
appeared on the USAG site:
Men's AA Scores:
FX PH SR VT PB HB AA
1 Li
Xiaoshuang CHN 9.687
9.712 9.775 9.812 9.650 9.787 58.423
2
Alexei Nemov RUS
9.700 9.800 9.612 9.700 9.762 9.800 58.374
3 Vitaly Scherbo BLR 9.762 9.662
9.587 9.687 9.712 9.787 58.197
4
Zhang Jinjing CHN 9.637
9.750 9.562 9.650 9.762 9.787 58.148
5 Shen Jian
CHN 9.537 9.650 9.637 9.662 9.700 9.675 57.861
6 Valeri Belenki GER 9.612 9.762
9.612 9.600 9.625 9.637 57.848
7
John Roethlisberger USA 9.675 9.662 9.650 9.575 9.475 9.725 57.762
8 Rustam Sharipov UKR 9.625 9.637 9.650
9.400 9.750 9.650 57.712
9 A.
Svetlichnyi UKR 9.650 9.587
9.662 9.537 9.625 9.637 57.698
10 Blaine
Wilson
USA 9.600 9.637 9.737 9.600 9.450 9.662 57.686
11 Cristian Leric ROM 9.625 9.562
9.412 9.700 9.600 9.675 57.574
12 Naoya Tsukahara JPN 9.612 9.612 9.650 9.512 9.625 9.550 57.561
13 Andreas
Wecker GER 9.600 9.025
9.750 9.662 9.600 9.775 57.412
13 Jesus Carballo ESP 9.400 9.675
9.512 9.450 9.625 9.750 57.412
15
Yoshiaki Hatakeda JPN 9.425 9.637 9.487 9.350 9.612
9.700 57.211
15 Igor Korobchinski
UKR 9.450 9.625 9.462 9.512 9.675 9.487 57.211
17 Jordan Jovtchev BUL 9.650 9.600 9.737
9.375 9.050 9.712 57.124
17 Yuri Chechi
ITA 9.450 9.587 9.800 9.050 9.550 9.687 57.124
19 Hikaru Tanaka JPN 9.562
9.450 9.637 9.425 9.550 9.375 56.999
20 Lee Joo-Hyung KOR 9.375
9.612 9.712 9.637 9.600 9.050 56.986
21 Krasimir Dounev BUL 9.125 9.500 9.575
9.587 9.475 9.712 56.974
22 Zoltan Supola HUN 8.875
9.712 9.575 9.525 9.550 9.725 56.962
23
Jan-Peter Nikiferow GER 9.587 9.450 9.575 9.400 9.437
9.375 56.824
24 Alexei Voropaev RUS 9.687 8.400 9.737
9.662 9.625 9.712 56.823
25 Ilia Giorgadze GEO 9.525 9.512
9.325 9.375 9.450 9.612 56.799
26 Sebastien Tayac FRA 9.562 9.512 9.425
9.525 9.200 9.475 56.699
27 Boris Preti
ITA 9.350 9.350 9.512 9.250 9.512 9.687
56.661
28 Roberto Galli ITA 9.625
8.950 9.562 9.350 9.425 9.537 56.449
29 John
Macready
USA 8.525 9.537 9.537 9.562 9.487 9.562
56.210
30 Andrei Kan
BLR 9.600 9.675 9.562 9.525 8.600 9.000 55.962
30 Vitaly Rudnitski BLR 9.675 9.700 9.600 9.512
9.350 8.125 55.962
32 Dimitar Lunchev BUL 9.200 9.662 9.275
9.300 9.462 9.000 55.899
33
Frederick Nicolas
FRA 9.350 8.750 9.500 9.225 9.500 9.537 55.862
34 Han
Yoon-Soo KOR
9.300 9.737 9.512 9.300 9.612 8.375 55.836
35 Brennon
Dowrick AUS 9.200 9.600 9.400
0.000 9.250 9.450 46.900
And, from the same source, here are more
complete lists of men's and women's
qualifiers for EF:
Individual Event Qualifiers--men
Floor
1 Evgeni
Podgorny
RUS
19.549
2 Vitaly Scherbo
BLR
19.462
3 Alexei Nemov
RUS
19.450
4 Ioannis Melissanidis GRE
19.375
5 Grigory Misutin UKR
19.362
6 Li Xiaoshuang
CHN
19.350
7 Dmitri Vasilenko
RUS
19.349**
8 Ivan Ivanov
BUL
19.324
8 Thierry Aymes
FRA
19.324
Pommel Horse
1 Fan Bin
CHN
19.549
1 Marius Urzica
ROM
19.549
3 Li Donghua
SUI
19.487
4 Eric Poujade
FRA
19.437
5 Patrice Casimir
FRA
19.425
5 Huang Huadong
CHN
19.425
7 Alexei Nemov
RUS
19.412
8 Li Xiaoshuang
CHN
19.400**
9
Yoshiaki Hatakeda JPN
19.362
Still Rings
1 Yuri Chechi
ITA
19.512
2 Jordan Jovtchev
BUL
19.374
3 Marius Toba
GER
19.350
3 Andreas Wecker
GER
19.350
5 Blaine Wilson
USA
19.337
6 Szilveszter Csollany HUN
19.312
7 Dan Burinca
ROM
19.300
8 Fan Hongbin
CHN
19.287
Vault
1 Alexei Voropaev
RUS
19.450
2 Alexei Nemov
RUS
19.425
3 Yeo Hong-Chul
KOR
19.399
4 Vitaly Scherbo
BLR
19.375
5 Igor Korobchinski UKR
19.350
6 Li Xiaoshuang
CHN
19.337
7 Ivan Ivanov
BUL
19.324
8 Ivan Pavlovski BLR
19.287
Parallel Bars
1 Alexei Nemov
RUS
19.387
1 Huang Liping
CHN
19.387
3 Jair Lynch
USA
19.375
4 Vitaly Scherbo
BLR
19.374
5 Sergei Kharkov
RUS
19.312
6 Zhang Jinjing
CHN
19.299
7 Li Xiaoshuang
CHN
19.262**
8 Nikolay Krukov
RUS
19.237**
9 Rustam Sharipov
UKR
19.200
9 Jian Shen
CHN
19.200**
11 Lee Joo-Hyung
KOR
19.162
11 Jung Jin-Soo
KOR
19.162***
High Bar
1 Alexei Nemov
RUS
19.537
2 Vitaly Scherbo
BLR
19.437
3 Andreas Wecker
GER
19.387
4 Fan Bin
CHN 19.375
5 Jesus Carballo
ESP
19.374
6 Alexei Voropaev
RUS
19.362
7 Lee Joo-Hyung
KOR
19.299
7 Krasimir Dounev
BUL
19.299
** These gymnasts do not advance to event finals because
only two
athletes per country may advance.
***
This gymnast does not advance due to tie-breaking procedures,
by which he has the lower all-around score.
Individual Event Qualifiers--women
Top
8 qualify; other USA results also listed.
Vault
1 Simona Amanar
ROM 19.675
2 Gina Gogean
ROM 19.637
3 Lavinia Milosovici ROM 19.574**
4 Mo Huilan
CHN 19.574
5 Kerri Strug
USA 19.524
6 Rozalia Galieva RUS
19.512
7 Elena Grosheva
RUS 19.500
8 Dominique Dawes USA
19.487
9 Svetlana Boguinskaya BLR 19.474
--
10 Shannon Miller
USA 19.462
11 Amy Chow
USA 19.412
21 Jaycie Phelps
USA 19.249
48 Dominique Moceanu USA 18.862
[I
presume this means that Miller will replace Strug on
vault.]
Bars
1 Simona Amanar
ROM 19.675
2 Svetlana Khorkina RUS 19.662
2 Lilia Podkopayeva UKR 19.662
4 Dina Kochetkova RUS
19.625
5 Dominique Dawes USA
19.612
6 Amy Chow
USA 19.599
7 Lavinia Milosovici ROM 19.587
8 Bi Wenjing
CHN 19.575
--
9
Shannon Miller
USA 19.562
11 Dominique Moceanu USA 19.537
13 Jaycie Phelps
USA 19.499
14 Kerri Strug
USA 19.462
Beam
1 Shannon Miller USA 19.599
2 Dominique Moceanu USA 19.537
3 Dina Kochetkova RUS
19.500
3 Lilia Podkopayeva UKR 19.500
5 Rozalia Galieva RUS
19.462
6 Svetlana Khorkina RUS
19.312**
7 Gina Gogean
ROM 19.262
8 Lavinia Milosovici ROM 19.225
9 Alexandra Marinescu ROM 19.200**
10 Olga Teslenko
UKR 19.175
--
11 Dominique Dawes USA
19.150
15 Kerri Strug
USA 19.087
19 Amanda Borden
USA 19.037
38 Jaycie Phelps
USA 18.612
Floor
1 Kerri Strug
USA 19.662
2 Lilia Podkopayeva UKR 19.612
3 Simona Amanar
ROM 19.599
4 Dominique Moceanu USA 19.587
4 Ji Liya
CHN 19.587
6 Gina Gogean
ROM 19.562
7 Dominique Dawes USA
19.537**
8 Mo Huilan
CHN 19.525
8 Elena Grosheva
RUS 19.525
--
10 Amanda Borden
USA 19.474
15 Jaycie Phelps USA
19.412
18 Shannon Miller
USA 19.405
[which presumably means
that Dawes replaces Strug on floor]
** These gymnasts do not advance to event finals because only two
athletes per country may advance.
>>Kathy
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:33:30
-0600
From: ***@SUPERNET.AB.CA
Subject:
Re: PODS!!!
>Way to go PODS!
World AA Champ
>
European AA Champ
>
Olympic AA Champ
>
International Gymnast Magazine better
have a Pod poster in their next issue
or I'll be
mad!!!!!
Wasn't she great. I don't think I saw her on every event
though. I too
watched NBC, I wanted to get the Medal Ceremony. Oh well, I guess that's
what happens. I
was really surprised to see Gogean get the
silver.
But I was so happy that both Amanar
and Milo got medal too. I think
they
both deserved them a lot. So is Milo going to Retire?
Kel
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 13:38:55
EDT
From: ***@JUNO.COM
Subject:
Chinese Men's team
I want to know why you are excited? from your name, I dont think that
you
are a chinese. it is rare for a non-chinese to
feel excited about this.
So they are coming to Las Vegas? How did you
get the info?
As for the <<American Anthem>>, I saw it in
China. I think that this
movie didn't make big
money in the usa, but it did make money in
China.
And I don't understand why hollywood is so ignorant to dub any foreign
films into English? Countries around the world have the
capacities to dub
and actually understand films
from other countries.
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 19:36:42
-0400
Subject: MENS CHINESE TEAM
I'm one of the young lurkers on
this list, but I found out some great
news
and wanted to share it. While in gym today my former coaches
Johnny and
U-ju
wang(SP?) called.Johnny and
U-ju used to be on the chinese
national team
and
were
both on thier olympic team.
You might also know U-ju from the movie
"American
Anthem"- he was mitchs'
main competition, the chinese guy who
made
the funny faces at
him(remember that) Well anyway they called to say that
the
chinese olympic
team will be coming here to Las Vegas for a couple hours
next
week to see
Johnny and U-ju so they are holding a banquet for
them and
have
invited
our team. I"m not sure if it's men and women,
but I know
definiltly
it will be all the men. I am so excited,
I just thought I'd share that
with
all yal. I'll go back to lurking
now.
\
keep on flip'n,
Melinda
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:46:56
-0600
From: ***@SUPERNET.AB.CA
Subject:
Re: WAG AA Comments
>Ok.
Does anyone *NOT* know that Tatiana replaced Roza
Galieva in the
all-around
>
in Barcelona?
Give me a break! Tesh re-told the story every time the
camera landed
>on Roza.
Jeez! I had to laught
out loud when he said "for those of you
who
don't
>know, the beam is 4 feet off the ground
and 4 inches wide!". John -- HOW
>COULD WE *NOT*
KNOW?
I do admit that he does repeat things too much, Sherbo's wife, if was almost
like
he was blaming her for Sherbo's problems. And Galiava's story. We
heard it
lots.
>The "Amazing Grace" ending was a little
melodramatic, don't you think?
I'd
have
> much
rather seen the medal
>ceremony, but hey, what
did I expect?
I think this SUCKED. All they showed was SAD SAD moments.
Mo's problem on
floor, Khro's
bars, and other people's problems. I mean, Gymnastics should
be
shown as a happy moment. Like MEDAL
ceremoney perhaps. I really didn't
mind
watching NBC, but the constant repeating and this showing sad moments.
We
want everyone to remember how HAPPY the olympics
are for gymnasts not sad.
Kel
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 10:03:39
+0000
From: ***@IGC.APC.ORG
Subject:
John Tesh: it could be worse
On a lighter
note, those of us who suffer under NBC/Tesh
should
be so glad. I just got this report from a friend in
Cambodia:
> Cambodian tv's
been showing the Olympics with a Beavis and Butthead
> like announcer who's watching in Phnom Penh and making inane
comments.
> Only he can't read the English captions and so refered to someone clearly
> labelled as "assistant coach" as
"another guy." He does
tell you that
> "lane four is ahead"
or "he seems happy," and chuckles "heh
heh
> heh
heh" when
someone says "breaststroke."
--Mary Lynne
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 13:45:48
-0400
From: ***@KENT.NET
Subject:
Milo!! / crowd
I am so happy for Lavinia Milosovici. All along I was hoping that her
or Shannon would win a medal. She really proved that at 20 she is
just as good as she was four years ago at 16. This is really fabulous
for the sport. I
hope this will encourage gymnasts to keep competing
after
their "prime."
Jordynn and I
found a way to avoid getting angry with the lack of
applause
that some gymnasts recieved
at the GeorgiaDome. We just cheered
very
loudly from our living room - for everyone. That way we couldn't
here the crowd whether they were cheering or not! Try it, it works.
-
Megan
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 13:59:05
-0400
From: ***@PHARM.MED.UPENN.EDU
Subject:
Pae Gil Su
Rachele
Harless wrote:
>
>Other notes:
>Pae Gil Su (KOR) did not qualify for pommel horse
finals...
-------------------------
Per a number of judges - it
turns out that Pae Gil Su did not do the correct
pommel horse compulsory routine. There are to be a certain number of
circles at each end of the horse and he did not perform the
circles at the
proper point in the routine -
therefore scoring the 9.462. He did
do the
routine with excellent execution and it is
a great disappointment that you
will not see him
in Event finals.
Mayland
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 13:59:13
-0400
From: ***@PHARM.MED.UPENN.EDU
Subject:
Misutin not in AA??
Misutin
did not compete AA in the team competition, and therefore was not
quaified for the AA - I will go
out on the limb and say that he made floor
finals
(this is working off of memory):
He did
comp opt
FX 9.625 9.737
PH
9.625
R
9.70
V 9.425 9.70
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 13:59:17
-0400
From: ***@PHARM.MED.UPENN.EDU
Subject:
Compulsory trivia question ...
Okay -- the ultimate trivia question
... International folks will have a
much easier
time of it since the international feed actually highlighted
this particular moment ...
Who was
the absolute last person and the country they represent to ever
compete a compulsory routine?
What was the
score?
What time did it take place?
Good luck!!!
Mayland
(please respond
to me privately -- answer will be announced later)
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 14:13:40
-0400
From: ***@PHARM.MED.UPENN.EDU
Subject:
Dawes' FX score
This
is actually Christopher Scott replying, direct from Atlanta via
Mayland's
computer. I think I need to
explain why Dawes scored what she
got. Yes, a fall
is 0.5, but she also went out of bounds,which
is another
0.1. Also, she the pass she fell on was 0.3 in special
connections bonus,
which she will probably not get
since she fell. I am guessing
(since I'm
not a judge) that her start value was
only 9.7 (maybe 9.8), so with 0.6 for
that error,
her score is right on IMO.
Chris.
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 14:17:05
-0400
From: ***@KENT.NET
Subject:
Lilya's coaches?
I'm a little confused
here. The "fluff piece"
on Pods on NBC mentioned
Ludmila Touresheva as her coach. Then, during her next routine, they
mentioned another woman's name. When she completed her
routine, she was greeted by two men. What's the deal?
- Megan
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 14:41:20
-0400
From: ***@KENT.NET
Subject:
Re: Posting from the Tape Coordinator
I have undertaken to coordinate tape
trades. For anyone who
still wants
tapes and hasn't already contacted me, my
e-mail addresss is rg@kent.net Please tell me what you have
taped, what you
would like to have, and wether you will be able
to make copies
or not. Also include your e-mail
address.
Sample:
1.
I have NBC's coverage taped.
2.
I would like CBC's coverage.
3.
I would be willing to copy my tape.
I've already arranged a few trades, so
please respond quickly!!!
Jordynn
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 14:45:23
EDT
From: ***@JUNO.COM
Subject:
My web site update
Hi, everyone.
I just added a few links to
my Olympic page.
http://www.angelfire.com/free/China.html
Together
with quite a few Chinese Olympic links, I also added Australia,
Canada, German, South Africa and Netherland Olympic links.
You
will be surprised to see how other countries cover this game as a
WORLD game instead of game of their own country.
i can't understand why nbc is so ignorant. everything
they broadcast is
about usa,
usa.
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 21:26:13
+0200
From: ***@XS4ALL.NL
Subject:
European Wide Screen Broadcasts
Has anybody in Europe watched the wide
screen transmission of the womens
optional team and individual gymnastics?
I have
only one VCR and have recorded the BBC transmissions. While switching
between the BRT wide screen and the BBC I have noticed
considerable
difference in the coverage of the
events.
In my opinion gymnastics is not ideally suited for wide screen
transmission
in the way I saw yesterday. The camera's were in second rate positions
(farther away and higher) resulting in distracting
backgrounds. It was also
strange to see the same excercise simultaneously from totally different
viewpoints.
However, I have been able to watch some
of the 'lesser' gymnasts perform
their FX, like Nikolett Krausz (pretty
redhead...) or Ruth Moniz or Yvonne
Tousek.
Has
somebody in Europe recorded these complete,live
and silent (without
commentary) transmissions? I
would like to buy a copy or swap it with a copy
of
my BBC recordings. Please email me privately.
Here follows a short
translation in Dutch, since I watched the Belgian BRT.
Heeft iemand in Nederland of Belgie de breedbeeld uitzending van de
teamcompetitie
en de individuele meerkamp
van de vrouwen opgenomen?
Kun
je hiervan voor mij een kopie
maken... Alle kosten worden vergoed.
Eventueel kun je ook ruilen
met een kopie van mijn BBC opname.
Graag een emailtje...... alvast bedankt.
Edwin
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1996 - Special issue
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