GYMN-L Digest - 24 Jul 1996 - Special issue
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are 24 messages totalling 619 lines in this
issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. Kui Yuanyuan
2. Team Competition
3. weight
4. tape swaps!!
5. It's a crowd... (a bit off-topic)
6. Li wins AA
7. The United States and Olympics
8. The US CROWD
9. 0.2 deductions
10. Moceanu's
FX
11. results
request (2)
12. Olympic
comments #1,542
13. NPR
spot
14. Korean vaulters
15. <No subject given>
16. Letterman or
Leno
17. Strug
news...(yes, more!)
18. Crowd
reaction at team finals
19. The
crowd at Georgia Dome (fwd) (fwd)
20. Strug to
miss all-around finalks
21. Kerri's out of AA
22. Day and Date
23. Strug: update
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 21:47:30
-0400
From: ***@CAPITALNET.COM
Subject:
Kui Yuanyuan
Sharyn wrote:
>
>Little Kui
Yuanyuan (sp?) This was
like watching Mostepanova and Yang Bo
>mixed together. If she doesnt fall
in EF she is the gold medallist..I
>think she scored 9.887 but Im not
sure, I know it was high though, I
>thought a
9.9 would not have been overscoring. Ok so to her
routine it was
>fast, it had the chinese bodylines, no wobbles (except for a hop on the
>landing) and the acrobatics!!!!!! One pass had 6 elements -
leap leap leap
>up one length immed flic layout layout on the way back. But most awesome
>was her RO FF (2 feet) layout full twist, with straight body
and legs, no
>Romanian piked shapes here.
I
was truly elated to finally see little Yuanyuan
perform the layout full
on beam. I saw her do it in training at Worlds
but she didn't make finals
to show it.
However,
she won't be appearing in event finals on beam because she fell on
the shoulder roll in compulsories. I cried.
I'm also dismayed that
the World co-champion on Floor didn't qualify for
finals
this time. (Mo Huilan & Ji
Liya are ahead of her).
I
hope she'll be around for another few years. She just turned 15 on June 23rd.
Regards,
Grace
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 19:43:34
-0600
From: ***@MARCELINE.K12.MO.US
Subject:
Team Competition
Does anyone have complete coverage of the women's
optional team competition
including awarding of
medals/playing of national anthem?
If so, please
email me privately. I would like to copy it,
I will be willing to pay for
postage. Thanks in advance.
Allie
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 23:53:02
UT
From: ***@MSN.COM
Subject:
Re: weight
>As gymnasts, 20-40 hour workouts each week keep body
fat extremely low.
>Most top gymnasts to not get their period until they
stop training so
>that their bodies may gain
the fat and go through the changes that
>happen
when girls become women.
I just wanted to comment on my weight when
training and after I retired.
When I trained I had huge legs like Kerri Strug, lots of muscle!
I weighed
130 pounds.
But I looked thin.
After I retired, I lost 20 pounds because of
the muscle. I also grew a lot
more. Wow, I'm
over 5'0". But I think also
that the girls weight on the
Russian team seems to be a little thin.
Kelly
I
just thought of something since lots of people talk about how
"abused"
gymnasts are, NBC said that Tom
Dolan only has 3% body fat.Doesn't this seem a
little low?
Jjeorje
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:01:26
-0700
From: ***@PRIS.BC.CA
Subject:
tape swaps!!
Hi all,
I know we are doing CBC, SRC, & NBC
swaps, but do we have anybody taping
BBC, Or can we?? Even if we could get one VHS copy sent
to N. America,
maybe some nice person could copy
and duplicate.
Jordynn do you have any
interested Europeans listed??
ttyl
Chad
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 19:46:29
-0400
From: ***@CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:
It's a crowd... (a bt
off-topic)
This
veers off-topic a bit, but if any further evidence is required
about the crowds... (Original Reuters article from clari.sports.olympics, I
won't
directly quote because I don't think they'd be too happy about that.)
The
competitors at the shooting venue are rather angry because,
among other things, the crowd has been cheering successful
shots, which is
wrecking their concentration. (Okay, one quote here, exemplifying some
of
this insanity...
``I'm just glad I didn't have an American in the final
round,'' said [Australian] Russel
Mark. ``If he had qualified, he would have
been
immediately to my left.''
Fans were egged on by a loudspeaker announcement immediately
before the final round.
``These pictures are going around the world in a few seconds
so let's have some enthusiastic applause,'' appealed
the
announcer.
Now
what does THAT say for this home crowd?
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:38:05
+0100
From: ***@ASUCLA.UCLA.EDU
Subject:
Li wins AA
Li X, Nemov, and Sherbo go 1-2-3... nice to know the earth is spinning
in
the correct direction again.
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 19:25:32
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
The United States and Olympics
While my previous few messages seam to
speak for themselves, I wish to make
it clear that
I do NOT believe that these are the best Games ever held.
Barcelona will probably hold that credit
for a long, long time. I
attended
several events, other than gymnastics, in
Barcelona and the crowds weren't
much different
from what was evidenced at the Georgia Dome. I attended the
Gold Medal match in
water polo between Spain and Italy with the King of Spain
in attendance and let me tell you that was the most partisan
event I have
ever attended. I think that many Americans are not able
to look outside
their countries borders and see
things from another prospective.
Nothing in
the US is geard
for that. I feel that the challenge
is ours, as
professionals and enthusiasts of the
sport of gymnastics is to better educate
our
public on what is acceptable and what is not. Train them to enjoy all
gymnasts regardless of the uniform they wear. If the best team is the US and
you are an American great, but if the best team is Roumania, good for them
too. Just enjoy the sport and leave the
politics up to Bubba in Washington.
Dean
WA State Judging
Director
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 19:25:16
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: The US CROWD
They anti-US crowd thing is getting a little
old. As a someone said a few
posts back. It
is likely that most of the people in the Georgia Dome were
not true gymnastics enthusiasts, just US team
supporters. Then they would
not be interested in non-US competitors. However, you will note that they
may not have been supportive, they were not anti-non-US
competitors. Let us
remember the Pan-Am games in Cuba where the US team was
booed and jeared at
by
the Cubans. If the Romanians,
Russians and Chinese were not used to loud
roaring
crowds they have only themselves to blame on not preparing their
athletes for it.
What were they thinking? The
crowd wasn't going to be 100%
behind the best team
we have ever put in a competition?
Dean
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 19:22:56 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re:
0.2 deductions
>The 0.2 deduction for
not being American and competing at the Olympics in
>Atlanta....in a team event is this deduction per person, or per
team?
>
>If it were per person, then per team that would mean a
1.0 deduction, in
>which case if this deduction
was not made Russia would have claimed team
>gold!
Russia
had to count a fall. The US
didn't. That's 0.5 right off the top.
As I have said before, there is only 1
(ONE) US judge on the floor for the
entire
competition. To what advantage
would judges from other countries
receive for
giving us score we do not deserve.
Our ladies went out there and
WON the GOLD medal all by
themselves. They earned it and they
deserved it!
Dean
WA State Judging Director
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 19:23:29
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: Moceanu's FX
>Could one of the
group's qualified judges give us a run-down of how
>Dominique Moceanu's FX came to be scored at 9.837?
While I
have not judged the routines, my guess would be a start value
problem. Dom
probably got credit for a 10.0 SV while the others did not.
Since, we in the USA were not allowed to
see the others it's hard to know
why. Often gymnasts at that level are trying
very complicated dance
connections for bonus and
usually they are not awarded due to completeness of
the
turns. Just a
guess.
Dean
WA State Judging Director
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 19:20:48
-0400
From: ***@VAXC.HOFSTRA.EDU
Subject:
Re: results request
How come in one post it has chow as a qualifier on
vault, and in another
Kerri.
Also how come in one post Kerri wasn't in floor finals but in
another she qualified first? Are they taking her out allready? That
is
stupid considering she has said she might
compete.
Alisa
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:12:49
+1000
From: ***@OZEMAIL.COM.AU
Subject:
Olympic comments #1,542
>I don't know how anyone can feel worse for
the tears of the Russians than
>for a gymnast
in pain either. I am sorry that
only one team could win the
>gold, but in
Barcelona when the American's finished what people considered
>to be a disappointing 3rd...I didn't see them bawling all
over the
>place!!!!! Part of competition is losing too. The
US DESERVED THIS. I am
>sorry that the Romanians drew the first comp rotation, but
it happens.
>And compared to all of the 9.9s and 10.0s that were flying
around in
>Barcelona, I think that the scoring here was much more
consistent and
>correct. The US was not overscored
nor were the others underscored.
If
>anything, some of the US scores DID
seem to be too low.
>In closing, I have just one thing to say....SUCK IT UP AND QUIT WHINING!!!!!
>LMM
>Flame
at will, but privately please.
Just a few short
comments about this. Can't
be bothered to e-mail privately.
I also felt for the Russians more
than for Kerri Strug. You know why?
Strug
was clearly limping after her first vault, and probably didn't need to
do a second one.
Now it appears she won't compete for the rest of these
games, unless she wants to risk further injury.
I
felt for the Russians because they have come such a long way since last
year. Before the
Games, I thought the American girls had a definite chance
for the gold medal.
But I wasn't too sure about the Russian girls. And try
competing
for another country and setting up for a beam dismount when you
can hardly hear yourself think because Amy Chow or whoever
lands her vault
or whatever.
>From
what I saw, the American girls deserved the gold medal. But some kudos
has
to go to the other teams.
Since when is part of
competing losing? Isn't
competition all about doing
your best, regardless
of where you place? Why don't you
read the Olympic
oath?
Other comments :
* loved Kui Yuanyuan's beam! For those of you with NBC, you missed a
real
treat.
FF, FF, full twisting layout with legs together!
* why was Bogi's BB score so
low? Basically the same routine as
Barcelona,
near perfect execution. Any idea of the start
value?
* Marinescu did 2 Healy's on AB in
a row to a release (can't remember which
one), and
a stuck full out dismount, all to no applause.
* the
Spanish women hard the worst leotards!
Black, green and magenta is
not a good
combination.
* Liu Xuan had three releases in her
AB including the one arm giant to Gienger
* Mo
got a 9.8 for her AB, which is probably how she managed to scrape into
event finals.
* Galieva got a
9.862 on BB, but almost scalped herself on her layout mount
The
highlight of the final routine (other than Strug)
goes to Khorkina one
floor. This girl was clearly deflated before
her exercise, realising that
her
team would not win gold. However,
her facial expressions during the
exercise were
priceless, and at the conclusion of ther exercise she
raised
her eyebrows at someone (possibly
judges). Very cheeky, and
nice!
And my favourite topic
: floor music. Most used
floor piece is the one used
by Grosheva. Lisa Moro of Australia also uses
this. Beth Squires, this is
the Frolova 86 piece that you
like. Kalinina
also used it in 89.
My choices for AA : Pods,
Galieva, Kochetkova and
Miller.
Moceanu can't have done much for her
stress fracture with those vaults.
:)
Simone
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 19:11:48
-0400
From: ***@CORNELL.EDU
Subject:
NPR spot
National Public Radio's "All Things Considered" had, like most
other
news I've heard today, a bit about last
night... they commented on the
offending rabid
home crowd, NBC's creation of an entertainment package of
mostly stories with a bit of actual sport mixed in, the
accompanying focus
on the Americans--and they
spoke with Joan Ryan, who was rather pleased with
the
US performance and mentioned that she was also pleased with the older,
happier US team.
I think she's sincere, but it would also have been a bad
move to put down the sport right *now*... And it was mentioned that Strug,
in making the ultimate
team sacrifice, probably won't compete be able to
compete
AA :(
Also, in the same vein the US men at Planet Hollywood: there's a
picture floating around on clari.sports.olympic
of Kerri with Demi Moore and
Bruce Willis. My question for the picture would be
"didn't they have time
to get her some pants
after the medals ceremony?"
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:04:54
+0100
From: ***@ASUCLA.UCLA.EDU
Subject:
Korean vaulters
When I said that Koreans
were the best vaulters in the world I was
talking
about the QUALITY of their vaults, not
their scores.... I dont equate
highest
scores with best.
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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 05:55:45
-0600
From: ***@INFOGO.COM
Subject:
<No subject given>
Ack.. This gets
really annoying.. can someone
e-mail me and tell me how I
can get this so that
it doesn't send me just one long e-mail? I want
everyone's
seperate, because I never have time to sit down and
read
500-something lines.
As for the Olympics, Kerri's performance
was great, as was the entire team.
Did anyone catch John Tesh saying that Amy Chow was Team Captian?
I know
that I'm not mistaken when I say that
Borden was. Just one of John's many
stupid
mistakes throughout the coverage of these Olympic games.
Trinity
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:09:20
-0500
From: ***@CARLETON.EDU
Subject:
Letterman or Leno
So do you think the win will be enough to get any of
the US women on Leno
or Letterman? Both shows had swimmers and Leno had the
17 year old who
women the rifle competition on
before the games. This year
Letterman
actually had Michelle Kwan on after she
won her Worlds gold. It was a
rather enjoyable
show as Dave didn't even pretend to know anything about
the
sport. Which leads me to another
question. Has a gymnast (male
or
female) ever made it on either of these two
shows?
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:41:00
EDT
From: ***@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Subject:
Strug news...(yes, more!)
Strug also was phoned in to that CNN show talkback live,
which wher
parents were
on... I didn't see the show but
Kerri had to take a nother
call
from Bill Blinton during the show, and the entire
team was invited
to the White House
(surprise!). Clinton also asaid that he and HIllary
would be in attendance for the AA, and Kerri said that she
just wanted
her picture taken with him!
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:39:55
-0500
From: ***@GATEWAY.US.SIDWELL.EDU
Subject:
Crowd reaction at team finals
OK, I'm going to go out on a limb and
risk getting burnt to a crisp
here, but this is
something I feel really strongly about.
To those of you bashing the
crowd at the women's team finals, I was a
member
of that crowd. It was a thrilling afternoon. I mean, words
cannot describe how thrilling it was. So I was going to make
a post
here talking about how incredibly charged
and exciting the atmosphere
was, and how I was
crying when they brought Kerri in on a stretcher
before
the awards ceremony because *finally* people were cheering for
*her* and not for her famous teammate du jour, and how I
continued to
cry when I noticed it was Shannon who
broke out of the line and
helped her onto the
awards stand, especially after someone surmised
here
that there might be some bad blood between the two after their
somewhat chilly hugs at Trials.
Instead, I log on
and discover people chastizing the crowd's
reaction. Perhaps out here in cyberspace, criticizing
something you
saw on TV, you feel like you're
criticizing a general reaction of a
nameless,
faceless crowd, but you're not. You're criticizing, in
part,
*my* personal reaction to what one of the most unforgettable
nights of my 17-year-old life. You're criticizing my mother
for cheering
for gymnasts she actually knows
something about after watching their
triumphs and
their heartbreaks during the last olympiad, instead
of
cheering for the gymnasts that she learns of
only through my 5-second
updates right before they
perform. Now I'll probably always qualify
my
memories of last night with an asterisk. "It was a wonderful
competition, BUT I should have watched the other teams some
more." I
shouldn't have to do that. Remember
that every single member of that
crowd is a person
with feelings, just like you. Perhaps you would
have
reacted differently had you been in our shoes, but that doesn't
make our reactions any less valid or your reactions any more
right.
Lisa
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:21:41
EDT
From: ***@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
Subject:
Re: The crowd at Georgia Dome (fwd) (fwd)
Oops....
I meant to say
"Opening Ceremonies" in the message below.
Beth-
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message----------------------------
Ilene said:
>I just wanted
to say that I, too, am disgusted with the crowd at the
>Georgia Dome and
with NBC for turning this into the "go USA" show.
>Whatever
happened to the Olympic spirit?
I'm sorry to say the Olympic spirit
ends about 1 second after the end
of the Closing
Ceremonies and everyone is very naive to think otherwise.
Beth-
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:22:46
-0400
From: ***@GRFN.ORG
Subject:
Strug to miss all-around finalks
According
to the Washington Post homepage, Kerri Strug
has announced she will miss tommorrow's
all-around
finals, her ankle not having recovered
enough. She is skipping
tommorrow's
competition, but hopes to have healed enough to
compete
on vault and floor next Monday.
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:17:00
EDT
From: ***@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Subject:
Kerri's out of AA
Reportedly, Strug has 2
torn ligaments in her ankle (OUCH).
She has been withdrawn from the AA and
will be replaced by Moceanu.
Kerri hopes to heal
enough to compete in Vault and Floor-ex finals.
With that serious an
injury, I doubt that she will be able too, much to her
own
disappointment--she wants to compete very badly.
The doctor for the team
will make the final decision.
Agents are repordtedly
saying she could cash in for 5-10 million dollars,
but
Kerri is still saying that she wants to compete collegiately.
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:57:42
-0400
From: ***@GRFN.ORG
Subject:
Re: results request
These appaear
to be accurate. The other results were the same
as
printed in USA Today, listing only optional scores.
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:56:22
-0400
From: ***@GRFN.ORG
Subject:
Re: Day and Date
Joy, I'll tell you in one sentence what
happened...
JOAN RYAN STRIKES AGAIN!
This was enough to make me
sick. I felt like crying. What Kerri
did last
night was not abuse. It was her own decision, and at 18,
she
is an adult, and capable of making them. I've seen track athletes
do the same thing, athletes in other sports dig into
themselves
like Kerri did last night and find some
personal reserve to keep
going. Kerri did this for
herself, for the team, and had no regrets.
And then Day and Date (and american Journal, running concurently on
our NBC
affiliate) both use Kerri's tremendous performance last night
as a lead-in for Christy Henrich's
tragic story.
This was not child abuse. This was not anoerexia. This was not
particularly
controversial in my mind. It was a gutsy, courageous
performance
from a young lady (and she is a lady) who decided
to
do what she felt was needed.
May the rest of us ever have motives as pure.
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:51:21
-0400
From: ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject:
Strug:
update
Kerri Strug has announced that
she will bypass the AA for a chance to win
an
individual event medal on Vault or FX.
The story is located at
http://espnet.sportszone.com/editors/atlanta96/sports/gym/0724strug.html
Dominique
Moceanu will take her place in the AA.
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