GYMN-L Digest - 22 Jul 1996 to 23 Jul 1996 - Special
issue
There are 24 messages totalling 631
lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. Mens
compos
2. Yuri Chechi in AA (somewhat of a spoiler)
3. Predictions for US AA'ers?!?
4. NBC Coverage
5. 1988 Olympians (3)
6. Subject: Mo Huilan
and Li Xiaoshuang (2)
7. O: MAG Team Results
8. Volunteers & US Men
9. Olympic comments #863 (2)
10. careful with
replies
11. US Women AA
Standings after Comp.
12.
WAG--NBC--Save me! I can't take it!
13. weight
14. MAIL??
15. MAG and Mihai
16.
American Crowds
17. NBC-ackkkkkkk!!!!!
18. weight
problem?
19. NBC sucks!
20. Various Olympic
Stuff
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:53:19
+0100
From: ***@ASUCLA.UCLA.EDU
Subject:
Mens compos
Boris Preti
scored a 3.00 on Pommels... I think he may have been a little
underscored.. haha...
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 01:59:07 +0200
From: ***@MICRONET.IT
Subject:
Re: Yuri Chechi in AA (somewhat of a spoiler)
>can anyone tell us how
>many
of the Italian men did all 6 routines today? I'm wondering if Chechi
>is in third because only 3 from his country did all 6
routines.
Right, only 3: Chechi, Galli and Preti
========
Carlo
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 20:36:07 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re:
Predictions for US AA'ers?!?
>>
I personally think that Strug, Miller, and Dawes are
the strongest to
> represent the US in the AA,
and I just wanted to know who everyone else
> thinks
will be there
Miller, Strug and Dawes. Moceanu's
hurting badly, and I'll bet she'll water
down
floor to the same set from Nationals.
I hope she doesn't hurt herself
further.
Mara
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 20:39:16
-0500
From: ***@PO-BOX.MCGILL.CA
Subject:
NBC Coverage
Once again, gymnasts prove themselves above any media
self-made experts that
seem to get the job of
anchoring a sport they do not understand:
John Tesh,
who is known for dwelling on his stupid irrelevant stories, seems
unable to mention Kim Zmeskal's
name without reminding everybody that she fell
on
comp beam in Barcelona...
Well, Kim sent a clear message on TV last
night; people are better listen
because it was
worthwhile. She said that yes the
fall on beam was
unfortunate, but it triggered
some soul-searching afterward and she had to
assess
whether she was in the soprts for the winning and the
glory that comes
with medals or because she loves
gymnastics... Well, her comeback efforts
speak for
her. She made a valuable comeback
and proved to the world that she
is a true role
model, a leader in the sport, and an inspiration. Well above
what
John Tesh wants to reduce her to.
Kim Zmeskal is more than the girl who fell on comp beam in
Barcelona.
Please, Mr. Tesh, stop insulting
the gymnastics community with your
over-simplications of the sports' dynamics and your
medal-oriented
narrow-mindness
!
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 20:54:44
-0400
From: ***@CORNELL.EDU
Subject:
Re: 1988 Olympians
At 15:43 7/22/96 PST, you wrote:
>I've drawn
a blank as to who was on the 1988 women's gymnastics Olympic team. I
>remember Phoebe Mills, Brandy Johnson and Kelly Garrison. I
want to say Hope
>Spivey was another, but I can't remember the other
two. Please let me know if
>anyone remembers.
Thanks!
Weren't the last three Hope Spivey, Missy Marlowe, and...
Rhonda
Faehn? (Don't blame me, I was twelve at the
time :) )
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 21:01:24
EDT
From: ***@JUNO.COM
Subject:
Subject: Mo Huilan and Li Xiaoshuang
What
did they do?
I don't remember that I saw anything about those two on nbc?
Subject: Mo Huilan
and Li Xiaoshuang
I have a feeling the
Chinese government will find new jobs for these two
working
on the railroad in a rural province.
I love them both and almost cried
when Li's hand went through the ring.
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 21:06:03
-0400
From: ***@HICOM.NET
Subject:
Re: 1988 Olympians
Hi.
The other 1988 Olympians were Melissa
Marlowe and Chelle Stack, with Rhonda Fein
being the (ill-fated, thanks to a .5 controversy about
remaining on the podium
during Kelly Garrison's
compulsory UB routine) Olympic alternate.
Michele
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 21:46:32
-0400
From: ***@GRFN.ORG
Subject:
Re: O: MAG Team Results
YEHAW! I was about to post the same thing, but
I got beaten to
it. I just want to say one
thing...for all those naysayers that
said the US
couldn't compete, for all the people who said they
would
drop just like Sabae, for all those who said the US
wasn't
worth anything after Olympic trials...TAKE
THAT! Way to go US
men!! You do your fans and
country and sport proud...
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 21:48:06
-0400
From: ***@GRFN.ORG
Subject:
Re: 1988 Olympians
And, of course, Chelle
Stack. RHonda Faehn was the
alternate.
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:32:00
EDT
From: ***@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Subject:
Volunteers & US Men
I must say that the people who worked at the
Games were absolutely
great. The GA Dome people were very kind but
not pushovers; they did
their job but in a very
kind way. (No easy task...)
Don't
know if y'all noticed, but the floor-ex mat had those
little
stripe-y things on it...The way that was acheived is that after every
rotation,
a volunteer worker dragged one of the light-blue sting mats
across the mat.
Also, one of the nicest touches was the Olympic Rings
that you can faintly see in the corners of the FX mat--after
every
rotation, again, a volunteer got down on all
fours and tediously traced
a circular
"thing" to make the emblem.
These people do the neatest
things... Just wanted to make sure everyone
noticed and that everyone
appreciated the work
everyone has been doing.
Also, kudos to the US Men! They performed well, and as much as
people
say they weren't under any pressure, they
wanted to prove that they were
deserving
Olympians--and they did. What a
contrast to 1992. This will
surely help US men's gymnastics. Congrats to everyone involved.
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:54:29
+1000
From: ***@OZEMAIL.COM.AU
Subject:
Olympic comments #863
>The media over here is *savaging*
>the nationalism, over-commercialisation
and poor organisation of these
>games (most of the criticism aimed at NBC, BTW). I wouldn't
want to see
>the gymnastics competition
contribute to this trend.
Yes, we're getting a taste of this in
Australia as well.
Other comments:
I also thought Bogi was underscored on beam. 9.4 odd? I didn't see a major
wobble. Did she
miss a move or something?
I think it's wonderful that the Russian men
have won the team event. It
would be fab if the Russian women got the gold as well.
The
Australian telecast this morning focused on the Russian and Chinese
teams. I was
surprised at Krukov's score on HB. 9.525 for near perfect
execution and two Gaylords? No US men were shown, no Scherbo, and just a
couple of
Ukrainian men on FX. I don't think
they showed the Aussie guys
earlier, either!
Someone
commented that the US women were being treated like princesses. One
of the
Australian commentators mentioned that the team had 8 coaches on the
floor, instead of the allowed 2. Is this correct? The general feeling
seemed to be that this was not fair to the other teams.
Simone
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:58:25
+1000
From: ***@OZEMAIL.COM.AU
Subject:
careful with replies
I forgot something.
Could everyone
please take care when replying to messages? Especially
people
on digests. I get sick of scrolling
through pages of quoted text!
There is really no need to quote
someone's ENTIRE (emphasis) message if you
are
responding to something. Have you
all heard of cut and paste?
Only
those bits in the message that are
relevant to your own message should
ideally be
included. This is particularly
important at the moment when it
is extremely busy
online.
If we were all a bit considerate to others, the world would be
a better
place. (profound
comment for the day!)
:)
Simone
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:09:36
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
US Women AA Standings after Comp.
Hi -
There's some
predicting about what US women will be in the AA, so I thought
this might help some:
I got these scores from a web
site, but I've gone to so many lately, I don't
remember
which one anymore. :)
Vault
Bars
Beam
Floor Total
Miller 9.762 9.775 9.737 9.787 39.061
Moceanu
9.662 9.725 9.637 9.750 38.774
Strug 9.812 9.675 9.350 9.825 38.662
Dawes 9.725 9.762 9.425 9.687 38.599
Phelps 9.587 9.712 9.012 9.662 37.973
Borden
9.312 9.712
Chow
9.700 9.762
As
of compulsories, it is the following for each event final (but of course
this can change dramatically during optionals).
Vault
- Strug and Miller
Bars - Miller and Daws and Chow (last two being tied)
Beam - Miller and Moceanu
Floor - Strug and
Miller
LeeAnn
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:21:20
-0600
From: ***@SUPERNET.AB.CA
Subject:
Re: WAG--NBC--Save me! I can't take it!
>Consider yourselves
lucky! NBC seems to be showing a
lot more gymnastics
>than SRC/CBC. I am taping SRC/CBC, and I've been
sitting in front of the
>TV for twelve hours straight for the past few
days. They break up the
>gymnastics into little segments of four or five routines,
which makes it
>a pain. SRC seems to be doing the best job so
far, but NBC is still
>the best, gymnastics
wise. I have caught some obscure
routines which
>might be interesting as well as
most of the Canadian routines so far,
I wanted to respond to this
because I too have been in front of the tv
for
12 hours!! I also agree
that we are going to see more gym from NBC because
their
americans will have medal chances. Whereas CBC is not showing much
because our canadians are not in
the medal hunt.
I think that if you see CBC you will see many other
countries, but if you
watch NBC you will see many
routines, but many american routines.
Kel
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:25:52
-0600
From: ***@SUPERNET.AB.CA
Subject:
Re: weight
>As gymnasts, 20-40 hour workouts each week keep body
fat extremely low.
>Most top gymnasts to not get their period until they
stop training so
>that their bodies may gain
the fat and go through the changes that
>happen
when girls become women.
I just wanted to comment on my weight when
training and after I retired.
When I trained I had huge legs like Kerri Strug, lots of muscle!
I weighed
130 pounds.
But I looked thin.
After I retired, I lost 20 pounds because of
the muscle. I also grew a lot
more. Wow, I'm
over 5'0". But I think also
that the girls weight on the
Russian team seems to be a little thin.
But
no matter what everyone says, they seem to be winning. I am not saying
this
to incourage by any means for a gymnast to lose
weight. I never did
and neither did any of my team mates. Our coach always stressed not to. No
one over
ate either though.
Kel
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:31:51
-0600
From: ***@SUPERNET.AB.CA
Subject:
Re: Subject: Mo Huilan and Li Xiaoshuang
>I
have a feeling the Chinese government will find new jobs for these two
>working on the railroad in a rural province.
>
>I
love them both and almost cried when Li's hand went through the ring.
Isn't
it amazing how Li has made some more mistakes in Optionals? How about
Sherbo making a few too. But I feel bad for the Chinese team on
high bar.
I wonder if Mo will make the AA. I also wonder if Amanar
will make it too.
I really hope because she is turning out to be one of my favourites.
Kel
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:43:57
-0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:
MAIL??
I haven't recieved any email from the
list; everything is person mail to
me that has the
same message lines I sent to the list. Anyone else having
problems recieving, since I know
my messages are getting through.
Jeff
Dina, Elena, Elena,
Eugenia, Oksana, Rozalia, Svetlana!
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:53:23
-0500
From: ***@LULU.ACNS.NWU.EDU
Subject:
Re: MAG and Mihai
Hey everyone!
I'm
a rare poster on this forum but just wanted to comment on the men's
performance tonight-- I thoroughly enjoyed watching them,
and I think it's a
real bummer that the men didn't
medal. I don't think they have anything to
be
ashamed of AT ALL-- so they didn't medal, that's okay!! They did a lot
better than they have in the past, and I think we could have
some real
contenders in the individual events. The
competition's far from over, and
who knows what'll
happen? We've already seen so many uncharacteristic
mistakes
by many of the top gymnasts in both the men's and women's team
comp., you never ever know who might come out either on or
towards the top
in the All Around and Event
Finals. I for one am truly psyched to see how it
all
plays out.
And Mihai, what a HUGELY AMAZING
high bar routine! I jumped up on the couch
and
cheered when you landed your triple back, even though I was all alone :)
I
hope someone saves this so you can read it later-- it's my first official
fan letter.
That's about it-- holding my breath for
the women's comp tomorrow. Speaking
of which, does
anyone know if there will actually be coverage in the morning
too? I want to make sure I tape it all so that I have good
coverage to trade
with friends :)
--Meighan
P.S. What on earth was that godawful fluff piece about the Civil War?? Was
it just me or did that seem to go on FOREVER?!?!?! :D
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 01:07:45
-0400
From: ***@KENT.NET
Subject:
American Crowds
I was just wondering if any of the Americans on the
list were
getting sick of the crowds at the
Georgia Dome (and other
venues) chanting "USA
USA USA..(ad nauseum)" every two
seconds??????????
I have nothing against the
American team, and its great that
they are supported,
but I really think the crowd could tone
it down a
bit and maybe cheer for some of the other gymnasts
a
bit more.
Jordynn
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 01:41:02
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: Olympic comments #863
>Someone commented that the US women were
being treated like princesses.
One
of the Australian >commentators
mentioned that the team had 8 coaches on the
floor,
instead of the allowed 2. Is this
>correct? The general
feeling
seemed to be that this was not fair to the
other teams.
There are only 2 US coaches on
the competitive floor. All the
athletes
personnal
coaches are in the media areas of the Georgia Dome and well within
reach of their athletes. There is nothing unusal. You can believe the other
teams have just as many people near the floor as they
can. Are they being
treated like princesses? Well perhaps, but isn't the US Basketball
Team
being treated like a group of Emperors? The way I understand it, the media
attention is so great on these young ladies, USA Gymnastics
has taken ever
opportunity to let these athletes
focus on the Games rather than mindless
media
attention. Is it really an honor to
be hastled by NBC for an interview
anyway?
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 06:34:19
GMT
From: ***@PIPELINE.COM
Subject:
NBC-ackkkkkkk!!!!!
I have had it . Does anyone know if Frank Endo or USA Gymnastics is
going
to offer tapes of the Olympics, so we
finally might get to see some of it?
Tonight, the Russian men recaptured
the glory of the Soviet system,
complete with
difficulty, gorgeous form, and execution, BUT DID WE GET TO
SEE IT? NO!!!!! Don't Elfie and Tim have any
pull around there? It is just
too depressing to be
seeing routine after routine by the USA, while craning
my
TV neck to try and see the Russians in the backround.
Beth, if you're
reading this and know anything
about buying tapes of it, PLEASE MAIL ME.
Regards,
Eric
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:50:11
-0700
From: ***@GOODNET.COM
Subject:
weight problem?
Sorry, but like I said, I didn't mean to offend anyone! I realize
some
people are very senstive.
There's a difference from gaining weight to a "normal"
standard,
and being overweight. If you take a step back and look (with
an unbiased
mind) you'll see the weight gain that
I'm talking about. I'm a coach,
and
about 60% of the kids I have walk into that
gym are over weight! Let's
face it, are country is getting fat. Watch t.v. for one hour and count how
many
fitness gimmics (ab
rollers, health riders, etc.) and commercials you
see. That's the American businessman
capitalizing on the #1 problem in the
U.S. They're getting rich off of people being
overweight!
Now,
as patriotic as I am, I just think that things have gotten too
easy for people nowadays. Are country is getting lazy! Just look when you
walk down the street.
I'm not talking about a few pounds here and there,
I'm talking about
overweight. Overweight people are
everywhere, and our
country is obsessed with
health. It's all talk, and no
show. I don't
exactly think people should be focusing on their looks and
weight so much,
either. In fact, that's as unhealthy as being
overweight. I just expect
people to stay "in shape", and not obese!
Joy
is right, on the other hand. You
can go too much to the
extreme and encounter
anorexia and bolemia (sp?)
and that's not healthy
either. But I don't see an excess of anorexics
walking around, as compared
to obesity. I guess what I'm referring to is that
happy medium of not
being fat, and not being
anorexic, either. But just being in shape. As an
ex-gymnast,
you should know the difference between becoming a lady, and
becoming fat. A
few extra pounds are expected, and that's o.k.
Like
I said, look at Mary Lou now. She
looks great! And she's
been through that "becoming a lady" stage, and back
again. If I'm not
mistaken, I believe she's a mother now, too. But she looks healthy, true,
not as skinny as if she was competing, but healthy. That's exactly what
I'm referring
to. You can become a lady, (and
even a mother), and still be
fairly in shape. Puberty is no excuse for letting yourself go.
kovacs
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:50:17
-0700
From: ***@GOODNET.COM
Subject:
NBC sucks!
What
kind of coverage is this? This is
crap! I've seen more
gymnastics in a begginer's
tumbling class! Don't get me wrong,
the men did
great! The coverage is terrible!
First of all, why the hell is John Tesh
announcing a sport he knows
absolutely nothing
about? And Tim Dagget
would wrather talk about himself
for the 3 hours with the cameras zoomed only on him. Who is Elfi schlaegal
(sp?) Is she some big shot in women's
gymnastics? I haven't followed
the
women for awhile, so someone please
explain.
I
can deal with that- It's the ONE floor routine we see in a 3
hour
show, half the American routines, I
feel like after 3 hours, I've only seen
one
rotation. ONE floor routine! I'm pissed! I don't know about everyone
else, but you have to agree, that ONE floor routine is a
joke!
We need
to all write letters to NBC and complain.... This sucks!
kovacs
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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 02:18:12
-0500
From: ***@CARLETON.EDU
Subject:
Various Olympic Stuff
1. Victory for all you
haters of the cheese. During Leno's
12 minute
show (and I ask you what is the point of
evening bothering with the show
for these two
weeks) he made fun of commentators telling every detail of
athlets life. He imitated an annoucer
telling the tragic story of a
cyclists battle with
hemeroids and ended the joke by saying "Just
let
them compete!"
2. After seeing a
profile of the olympic
village on CBC and a profile on
the us women's
gymnastics accomodations I have this to say. 1)
That's a
frat house! It must be the world's most boring a well behaved frat. 2) I
remember
mention of one of Doni Thompson's motivations for
quitting the
sport was that she had been to worlds
and it was basically the same thing
as the olympics. This
is true from the competion angle, but the olympics
as
an experience is so much more. You
get the chance to be with athletes
from all over
the world, and not just from your sport.
After seeing
where the Canadian were living
I was very impressed with the fun feeling
I got. We saw the room of two Canadian male
swimmers and they had
decorated the room and it
looked that they could just be students living
in
a dorm. They also showed the door
of Joanne Malar and Shannon
Shakespeare. They had pictures of them together
plastered on the door,
just like many of my floormates had at school. They went past the tv
lounge and a bunch of
Canadian athletes were lounging around watching
what
looked like Golden Eye. I got the
impression that being with
everyone gave a great
feeling of team spirit ... for the entire national
teams,
not just certain sports and also might take the preasure
off a
little.
It's important to be focused on your sport, but I just don't
think it can be healthy to not be able to get away from
it. I get the
feeling the US women gymnasts are a little closer this time,
but spending
24-7 with the six other girls and a bunch of coaches would get
a little
old.
Basically my point is I feel the gymnasts are being a little robbed
of the ture olympic
experience ... that which occurs off the competition
floor.
3.
It was great to be able to correct my mother when she called it girls
gymnastics ... my justifacation
being that five women of the us team are
of or
above legal age!
4. My mother and I are in total agreement that white
should never be used
as the background color on
leotards for the women ... especially in the
croach area.
As much as I love the women, I don't really want to know
what kind of bra they wear. I swear I could almost make out the
writing
on the band around some of the underwear. The US colors are red, white
and blue. For
once can the suits be red or blue, with some white
decoration.
5.
Along the same line whoever designs the suits should really think of
the gymnasts comfort!
Pods looked so uncomfortable in the Ukranian
compulories leotard. Are rindstones
really needed?
6. Okay I'm really confused now! I was under the impression that one
could still make event finals without competeing
all events. Then
someone mentioned that starting next year people will now be
able to make
event finals without competing in
each event. What is the correct rule.
Can Amanda and Amy (or anyother
gymnast not competing all the events)
make the
event finals assuming they've competed in both the compulories
and optionals on the event?
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