GYMN-L Digest - 18 Jul 1996 - Special issue

There are 22 messages totalling 601 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

1. Chinese don't use steroids! (2)
2. American Anthem?
3. Women wearing two peice leos.
4. Attention: Television coverage trades!!!
5. NBC vs. CBC (2)
6. GYMN-L Digest - REMOVE
7. GYMN-L Digest - 17 Jul 1996 - Special issue
8. Gymnastics in San Fran. press
9. GYMN owners and Coaches.
10. GYMN-L Digest - 17 Jul 1996 to 18 Jul 1996 - Special issue (3)
11. NBC's Prelude to the Olympics
12. Different countries' video formats
13. Copying
14. Chinese Gymnastics (2)
15. international video swaps
16. FAN MAIL TO ATLANTA
17. a small request

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 06:05:01 EDT
From: ***@JUNO.COM
Subject: Chinese don't use steroids!

Ok, people here always like to put Chinese down.

But we all know that americans as well as other europeans also use drugs.
Why is it a big deal to single Chinese out?

Is that because you are all jeasous of what the Chinese are achieving
now???

shame on you!

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 08:11:06 -0400
From: ***@GRFN.ORG
Subject: Re: American Anthem?

There are a few other things I can recall that were decent.

1) a combination biography/documentary on Ummm....I think it
is carol JOhnson? She competed with only one arm, and was an
NCAA champion I believe, before knee injury forced her out
of the sport.

2) A short movie (I think it was on HBO), like an ABC afterschool
special about this gymnast trying to fit in at a new club.

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 08:15:32 -0400
From: ***@GRFN.ORG
Subject: Re: Chinese don't use steroids!

Actually, I happen to like Chinese gymnasts. I think they do
somethings extremely well.

However, as far as their swimming goes, I believe they have a
sophisticated drug use system that mirrors the East German use
back in the 70's and 80's (an opinion echoed by many others,
including experts) and they can get past some of the detection
by careful usage. I think it ruins the sport.

Now, just to be an equal-opportunity basher, the US has has two high-profile
cases (Jessica Foschi recently and Angel Martino in 1988). Justice
has been served.

I also believe the Chinese system leaves a lot to be desired in
terms of training. People rip on Bela Karolyi for his "abuses" of
his athletes, but the Chinese system, both from what we saw last
night, and from an extensive peek into it back in 1988, makes me
shudder.

So, I guess this isn't a rip against the Chnese, just because I
am jealous. It is from a human being who feels the system is not good.

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:05:34 -0400
From: ***@GROVE.IUP.EDU
Subject: Women wearing two peice leos.

I would think that it would be ok for BB and FX and V, but UB might be tricky.
Perhaps the leos help with not sticking to the bar?

Deb

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 10:11:48 -0400
From: ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: Re: Attention: Television coverage trades!!!

see below

> This television coverage trade is getting really complicated/confusing!
> I have an idea. To prevent any individual from having to make
> a number of copies, I think we should collect the following data
> from each person, and then co-ordinate trades.
>
> 1. I will be taping the following:
>
NBC's coverage - but it will include other sports. So you may
not want it

>
> 2. I am interested in the following:
>
>
CBC's coverage


>
> 3. I will be able to make copies of my tape. (Yes/No)
>

not sure as of yet

>

my address is ***

email address (best way to reach me) ***@umich.edu

> Please include your e-mail address and your regular address.
> Ideally, we could co-ordinate it so that each person will
> only need to make one or two copies of their tape.
>
> To anyone we have already offered our tapes to:
> we will count you in.
>
> Anyone who has already organized tape trades can
> decide wether they want to be counted or not.
>
> Please e-mail me privately at: rg@kent.net
>
> Jordynn
>

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 10:42:40 -0400
From: ***@ICAN.CA
Subject: NBC vs. CBC

There is currently a disagreement in my family about which Olympic coverage
to tape, NBC or CBC.
I'd like to hear responses from everyone, especially Canadians, about which
you think will have better gymnastics coverage and why.
Thanks!!

-Krista

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:07:48 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - REMOVE

Please remove this address from your list,

Thank you

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:24:43 -0300
From: ***@CCN.CS.DAL.CA
Subject: Re: NBC vs. CBC


> There is currently a disagreement in my family about which Olympic coverage
> to tape, NBC or CBC.
> I'd like to hear responses from everyone, especially Canadians, about which
> you think will have better gymnastics coverage and why.
> Thanks!!
>
> -Krista
>
Hi, I am taping both, but for watching I am sticking with CBC. I hate to
bring up anothr point of liking or disliking the you-know-whos of NBC's
brodcasting but that's one reason why. I'm not choosing CBC over NBC b/c
I don't want to listen to Tesh...but rather that anything those three say
will probably be the same repetitive stuff and basic info I already know.
Second I am a Canadain and as such am interested in my country's coverage
and athletes. We're not the best in the gymn front, but I still like our
gymnasts. I look forward to watching Kris Burley, maybe I am partial
because he trained at the gym here or something. (I live in Halifax,
Burley is from Truro about an hour by car away - here is Nova Scotia).
Hmmm, I also think CBC will show a better variety of countries. NBC tends
to show the American gymnasts, of course, and I've been seeing a LOT of
them (Nationals, Trials...) and not a lot of anybody else (simply b/c I
missed Euros). And I am sticking with CBC b/c their timing is better.
While CBC will be showing the Olympics Saturday for eight hours straight,
NBC has Saved By The Bell and Herbie Rides Again lined up. - Lisa

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:31:32 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 17 Jul 1996 - Special issue

In a message dated 96-07-17 15:06:24 EDT, you write:

<< routine. Podkopayeva, on the jump full turn on floor, beat her legs...
only
gymnast I know of to do that.
>>
Podkopayeva does that because a lot of Ballet dancers do that and she loves
ballet so she does integrate that in, just like in her regular optionals
routine
SAra

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 08:48:06 -0700
From: ***@LELAND.STANFORD.EDU
Subject: Gymnastics in San Fran. press

Well, the San Francisco papers have had quite a bit to say about gymnastics
over the past 24 hours. In yesterday's Examiner, Gwen Knapp wondered how so
many men (especially John Tesh) managed to get jobs announcing an Olympics
that is watched in the U.S. mostly (51%) by women. The article says that
only 11 of the 51 commentator and reporters for NBC are women. For you
non-Americans, it does give a little background on Tesh. (Although it
doesn't mention his propensity to use the phrase "and what of..." in *all*
of the intros and fluff pieces he does.
Does anyone else use this phrase, ever?)

Unfortunately, it also had a column of twenty questions which includes which
sports should be dropped and added. Showing no creativity, the writer (John
Crumpacker) lists synchro swimming and rhythmic gymnastics as sports to
drop. On the other hand, I haven't heard anyone else suggest that
tug-of-war(!) be added.

There is also a column by everyone's favorite "journalist," Joan Ryan,
previewing women's gymnastics. It's actually better than one might expect.
She says: "In the midst of weathering pointed criticism about the injuries
and eating disorders gymnasts endure to become the best in the world at such
young ages, the gymnastics community has welcomed the shift toward older
gymnasts." Of course, that doesn't mean that she won't jump on the media
bandwagon and spend half of her column discussing Dominique Moceanu.

Also of interest is a feature on Jessica Davis that was done on June 16th.

All of these articles can be found at:

http://www.sfgate.com/sports/olympics96/

Happy reading.

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:02:09 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: GYMN owners and Coaches.

Do you think the Olympics in the US will cause another surge in
enrollment like in 1984?


Was there a surge after Barcelona?


Jeff

Dina, Dina, Dina.

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:24:18 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 17 Jul 1996 to 18 Jul 1996 - Special issue

In a message dated 96-07-18 00:20:00 EDT, you write:

<< Saw a picture of Miller & Moceanu in the paper
this morning from podium training and the
leotards look like the 1984 leos except the
stars and stripes are on top rather than the botoom.

Just my opinion, but I prefer leos that incorporate
read, white, and blue, but don't look like
the athelete is wearing a flag.



Lori >>
I thought that about the 1984 leos also they do look alot like that, and they
also make the gymnasts look bigger and they don't give as pretty of lines.

sara

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:23:52 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 17 Jul 1996 to 18 Jul 1996 - Special issue

In a message dated 96-07-18 00:20:00 EDT, you write:

<< ubject: Sports Illustrated's "Prelude to the games"

I just started watching The "Prelude to the games and I had to comment.
Women's gym was the first sport featured. They profiled Dominique Moceanu
and Shannon Miller. What bugged me was they introduced them as America's
"Top 2" gymnasts. WHAT ABOUT JAYCIE PHELPS!?! Jaycie is currently ranked
second in the country. That would make Jaycie and Shannon the top two, and
Moceanu third. For once I would like to see one of the other gymnasts get
some coverage.

Just my thoughts!!

-Krista
>>
I know I am feeling the same way! Why don't they ever show Kerri, Amanda or
Jaycie? They have tried the hardest and we already know Shannon and Dom's
life story! Not to start anything, but my sister believes she is actually the
greatest thing and is the only team leader(DOM) and she is forgetting about
the veterans, I am so sick of this media hype!
Go KERRI and AMANDA!
Sara

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:26:37 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 17 Jul 1996 to 18 Jul 1996 - Special issue

In a message dated 96-07-18 00:20:00 EDT, you write:

<<
This television coverage trade is getting really complicated/confusing!
I have an idea. To prevent any individual from having to make
a number of copies, I think we should collect the following data
from each person, and then co-ordinate trades.

1. I will be taping the following:
As much as I can get my mom to and what ever we have room for on 5 tapes

2. I am interested in the following:
Whatever sessions i don't have taped (I will be at Camp in Minnesota)
I am not sure of what yet, probably the daytime stuff.


3. I will be able to make copies of my tape. (Yes/No)
I don't know, probably no because my mom isn't in to that

Please include your e-mail address and your regular address.
Ideally, we could co-ordinate it so that each person will
only need to make one or two copies of their tape.
CTGG1417@aol.com, if any one wants my mailing address they can E-mail
privately to make plans to swap.
To anyone we have already offered our tapes to:
we will count you in.

Anyone who has already organized tape trades can
decide wether they want to be counted or not.

Please e-mail me privately at: ***@kent.net

Jordynn
>>

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 11:33:31 -0500
From: ***@EXPERT.CC.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: NBC's Prelude to the Olympics

Did NBC say anything new or exciting in its TV special
last night? Those of us on the west coast just got
TWA crash highlights due to the time difference.

Thanks,
Lori

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:33:19 EDT
From: ***@BBN.COM
Subject: Different countries' video formats

Just for the record, and a bit simplified:

North America, much of Central and South America, Japan, South Korea,
Taiwan, and the Philipines use the NTSC standard for broadcasting. The usual
VCRs you buy in the US can record and play back only in this standard.
(This has nothing to do with VHS or Beta, which are _tape_ formats.)

France, some of Africa, much of the Middle East, and some of Eastern Europe
uses the SECAM standard. Russia is currently switching over from SECAM to PAL.

The PAL standard is used by other countries, notably Australia, New Zealand,
Hong Kong, the U.K., and western continental Europe (excluding France).

If you want to trade tapes with folks whose countries use a different
standard than yours, either you or the folks you trade with have to have to be
able to create and/or view tapes in more than one standard. The FIG,
for example, sells some of its tapes in all three standard. Multi-standard
VCRs and standalone converters are probably more prevalent outside the US
than inside it, but you can purchase such equipment for $500-$2500, depending on
what all the equipment can do. (If I even broached the idea of bringing
another VCR of _any_ type into the house, I would probably be defenestrated,
but this info may be of use to someone else :-).)

The alternative is that you use a conversion service to create
NTSC tapes from the PAL or SECAM tapes your trading friend sends you.
This can be pretty expensive, especially if you do a lot of it.

For gory details about hardware, you can point your Web browser at
http://www.best.com/~jdulaney/pal.html
or e-mail for an FAQ or catalog to jdulaney@best.com. (This is not an
endorsement, as I've never done business with these folks, but simply
a pointer to information about what type of equipment is currently available.)

>>Kathy

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:38:08 -0700
From: ***@SEATTLEU.EDU
Subject: Copying

I was wondering if anyone from the USA is going to be able to tape the
CBC or other Canadian broadcasts because I am interested in getting
copies of these, but I am not interested in paying the international
postage. Please let me know, thanks.
Corrie :)

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:41:03 -0700
From: ***@SEATTLEU.EDU
Subject: Re: Chinese Gymnastics

I think for the Chinese women's gymnastics it is obvious that they are
not taking drugs to make them stronger unless there are some drugs that
don't make them look huge. Some of the swimmers are really big and it
looks suspicious. I think it would be unfair if all the Chinese athletes
were tested, maybe all athletes should be tested.
Corrie :)

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:01:31 -0500
From: ***@CARLETON.EDU
Subject: Re: international video swaps

I have moved around a lot and it is very true that not all systems are
compatible. There are a couple ways to get around the problem. One is
to have the tapes converted, but to my knowledge things that caan be
legally converted are home video's and the like. Basically you can have
little Susy's Birthday party coverted for you mother in England, but not
something you taped off the television. A second option in a multisystem
tv. I don't know about the availability around the world, but they are
exceptionally common in Japan and also Hong Kong, Singapore and other
Asian shopping havens. My family owns one and they are certainly worth
it. We purchased ours while living in Japan. A third way is to have a
vcr and television from another country. When we lived in Australia we
took our vcr and television from Canada and hooked it up to a
transformer. I could not watch TV, but could watch the American videos I
had brought with me. This was also an very common thing with the
internationaal community in Switzerland.

To break it down into who can watch what I know the following.

All of North America (Canada, Mexico, USA) can freely watch video from
each other's countries.

Australia and most of Europe (I know Australia and Switzerland) are
compatable.

Japan works with North America

I believe Hong Kong and quite a lot of Asian countries are with the
Europeans.

>From personal experience I have popped a swiss tape into an Australian
VCR and it works.

I have watched American and Canadian videos on a Japanese vcr.VCR

I have watched Japanese videos on a Canadian and US vcr.

I hope this helps!

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:04:24 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: FAN MAIL TO ATLANTA

Does anyone know if we can send fan mail to the gymnasts in Atlanta? If
so, where can we send it?
I know that they might be a LITTLE busy for fan mail right now, but they
might have time after the competitions.

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 10:12:52 -0700
From: ***@LELAND.STANFORD.EDU
Subject: a small request

Now that the Olympics are upon us, the number of messages on this list is
about to skyrocket. Anything people can do to make this information easier
to manage would be appreciated. I don't want to sound like the net police,
but if people could do two hopefully simple things, it would make life
easier for the rest of us.

1) If someone posts a message and asks for replies by email, please change
the "TO:" header on your mail reader so that your reply isn't sent to the
whole list.

2) If you subscribe to the digest format, please change the "SUBJECT:"
header in your replies so that we can tell what it is you have to say.
"SUBJECT: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 7 Jul 1996 - Special issue" doesn't tell the
reader anything about the content of your message.

If any of you have questions about how to do this, feel free to email me
privately (poser@leland.stanford.edu), and I'll be happy to try to guide you
through the steps.

Thanks for your time, and enjoy the Games.

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:40:44 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Chinese Gymnastics

Sharyn -

Thanks for your help. That makes a lot of sense. :)

LeeAnn



Sharyn wrote, "Hi Gymners,

I believe the reason gymnasts are not suspected of taking performance
enhancing drugs such as anabolic steroids (for strength gain) is that
there is a side effect of balance problems, so to date there is no known
drug that can assist a gymnast without causing some fairly major problems.
This theory was from a few years back so if amyone has more up to date
knowledge on this please share!

There was and maybe still is, a suspicion that femle gymnasts use 'brakes'
to prevent the onset of puberty, this is unproven and denied by coaches
who put long training and strict diet as the reason for late menarche and
development of elite female gymnasts.

Regards Sharyn"

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