GYMN-L Digest - 13 Nov 1995 to 14 Nov 1995 - Special issue

There are 20 messages totalling 543 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

1. Freezing in Atlanta (2)
2. Higgins roll
3. Subway - some answers
4. gymnastic move???
5. NCAA ineligible (4)
6. Subway Part Two
7. Gymnasts in diving and other sports
8. Subway error!
9. Freezing iN Atlanta
10. get the independant
11. question about ineligibility (2)
12. wanted - coaching position
13. Dominique Dawe's scholarship
14. Doni Thompson - out? (2)

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 23:33:37 -0500
From: ***@PHARM.MED.UPENN.EDU
Subject: Freezing in Atlanta

Alert to all people coming to the atlanta invitational

The dome is very cold. We were wearing wool coats and gloves and still were
very cold. It is in the 30's right now. If you plan to come to the meet I
recommend that you bring a coat and wear something warm. If they turn on
the heat later in the week I will let you know, but as of now -- be prepared
to be very cold in the areana.

Mayland

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:36:52 PST
From: ***@GEOWORKS.COM
Subject: Higgins roll

> I've probably seen it a million times, but could someone please
> describe and/or explain a Higgins Roll for me?

Actually you probably haven't seen a Higgins a million times, they
are quite rare. A Higgins is pirouette (sp?) on high bar that changes the
grip from overhand to eagle (or inverted). Kind of like a blind change but
rotating the other direction. So instead of your overhand grip becoming an
underhand grip (blind change), you twist on your arm the other way into a
eagle grip. The other hand has to regrasp in a eagle as well (not easy to
do).
Another difference between the blind change and the Higgins is when
the happen in the giant swing. A blind change happens at the end of a
giant, just before reaching the top of the swing, whereas a Higgins happens
at the begining of a giant swing, just before the gymnast begins swinging
down.
Since I pirouette on my right arm, I would turn counter-clockwise
(looking at the bar) or "under" my arm to do a blind change, but clockwise
or "over" my arm to do a Higgins.

My best ascii attempt at describing these grips:

overhand grip underhand grip eagle/invert grip
_+++_ _+++_ _---_ _---_ _---_ _---_
|||| | | |||| || | | || || | | ||
| / \ | \ | | / \ | | /
| | | | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | | | | |
< | | > | ^| |^ | | | | |
| | ____ | | | | ____ | | | | ____ | |
| |/ \| | | |/ \| | | | / \ | |
| | | | | | | | | || || |
| | 0 0 | | | | 0 0 | | | || 0 0 || |
| | L_ | | | | L_ | | | | L_ | |
| |\____/| | | |\____/| | | |\____/| |

elbows pointing elbows pointing elbows pointing
sides/front front back

I started trying to diagram a blind change and Higgins, but it is
way too complicated to do well in ASCII.

Dave

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 23:41:26 -0500
From: ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Re: Subway - some answers

Now, a question for y'all: Is Pod's vault (#4.508) a Phelps?

A Phelps is the vault the Romanian Mirela Turgelan (sp?). I think the
proper name for Pod's vault would be an Omeliantchik Barani out (that's what
I called in my post; an Omeliantchik is a round-off onto the bord, half on to
the horse piked front off. Lilya baranis out of hers.)
Chris

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:46:44 PST
From: ***@GEOWORKS.COM
Subject: Re: gymnastic move???


> What is the move called that looks like a front handspring with severely
> bent elbows. The gymnasts head looks like it is practically touching the
> ground.

Sounds like you are describing a headspring. These are done with
the feet together instead of being stepped into like a handspring. Since
you don't have to step into them and get extra spring from bent arms, you
don't need much momentum to do one and so they are easy to roll into or use
as transition elements.

Dave

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 23:10:09 -0600
From: ***@CARLETON.EDU
Subject: NCAA ineligible

What makes a gymnast NCAA ineligible? Just wondering? -Meg

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 00:02:43 -0400
From: ***@CAPITALNET.COM
Subject: Re: Freezing in Atlanta

Mayland wrote:
>Alert to all people coming to the atlanta invitational
>
>The dome is very cold. We were wearing wool coats and gloves and still were
>very cold. It is in the 30's right now. If you plan to come to the meet I
>recommend that you bring a coat and wear something warm. If they turn on
>the heat later in the week I will let you know, but as of now -- be prepared
>to be very cold in the areana.

At least it's not snowing out...

It was cold in Copps Coliseum on Saturday, but on Sunday it was very warm
with the TV lights on. Are they using the whole Georgia Dome? They used about
3/4 of Copps for the Subway Challenge. The delegations going to Atlanta
left Hamilton (and 2cm of snow) at 5:30 this morning. Yawn...

G'night.

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 00:51:17 -0500
From: ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Subway Part Two

Now here's my report on the men's meet (as much as I can remember
anyway; my recall for men's is not as good as for women's and I don't "speak"
pommel horse, so bear with me!)
Men's Floor":
Alan Nolet got off to a great start with a double layout to open and
a full-in to close (of course he did the two "compulsory" front passes; so
did everyone else, except Burley, more on him in a bit). Actually, Jair
Lynch warmed up an amazing front-full front layout front-full, but in meet,
the third salto turned into a fornt tuck to his seat. This was a shame,
since he opened and closed with nice double layouts. His teammate Kip Simons
travelled too far back out of his double tuck punch front 1 1/4, and went out
of bounds. It was somewhat of an off day for him (although that could be
said of everyone, except Nolet who went 6 for 6 in the meet of his life).
Both Russians did full-twisting double layouts, I think, but I don't remember
which is which. Huang wasn't as strong here as most of his teammates; he
opened and closed with tucked full-ins which weren't too strong. Kris Burley
warmed up the *best* double twisting front I've ever seen, but during the
meet, he rolled out akwardly. I'm still waiting to see his double double
that he used to win floor at 1994 nationals...
All I can say about pommels is that Huang won with a nice body line,
but I don't "speak" pommel horse, as I mentioned earlier, so I can't say much
more. There were several falls here, not unusual for this event though.
Rings:
Most of the scores were low here. I would say that Nolet looked his
strongest here, with a couple of good malteses. The Germans (I can't
remember their names) looked strong too.
Vault: Burley unfortunately fell on the landing of his Omeliantchik;
his ankle was wrapped, and perhaps he was nursing an injury. Lynch's layout
Cuervo was huge, but a lower SV means a lower score. Huang landed his
Yurchenko full on his knees, and was scored way too hi IMO. One of the
Russians rolled out of his Double front, and the other fell to his knees on a
Yurchenko double twist. Most others did a Kasamatsu; on of the Germans did a
Kasamatsu half.
P-Bars: There was a lot of good work here (I can't remember who did
what though!) The forward hop 1 1/4 to one bar (is this named after
someone?) was quite popular, especially out of healy(ies). Lynch did some
nice Giant Diamadovs and a double front, and one of the Russians did a barani
out. Simons had an unfortunate fall here, but I can't remember what he was
doing.
Highbar: This was really exciting! Nolet, the last competitor,
clinched the gold with a great Kovacs and Def, and a layout half-half. Bravo
to Jason Hardabura who caught his layout Tkatchev after missing every single
one in warmup! One of the Germans did two Kovacs, only to touch down on his
triple. Burley showed his improvement here with a nice layout Tkatchev of
his own. One of the Russians did a Kovacs hop-full, and two Tkatchevs to
Gienger, I think (Grace, please clarify any mistakes I've made here!)
I hope you've enjoyed my report! I had a great time, and I hope I
made everyone feel like they'd been there too!
By the way, Nolet one because he hit. If either of the Russians or
the Chinese had stood up their vaults, one of them would have won (I know
that it might look suspicious to see Nolet on top, given the field. But I
think given the number of errors it was legit here).
Goodnight from Toronto!
Chris

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 00:54:45 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Gymnasts in diving and other sports

I have also noticed that a lot of gymnasts and trampolinists are involved in
free style skiing. I once saw some champion Free style skiers give an indoor
exhibition and they used a trampoline for part of it and it was awsome
because they did all kinds of difficult multi somersaulting and
multi-twisting moves while wearing SKIS!! instead of gymnastic slippers.
Wow, it was neat to see. It would be interesting--tho probly dangerous--to
try a trampoline flip with skis on, sometime. (Not too good for the
trampoline mat though, I wouldnt think.)
Another thing that gymnasts are standouts in is of course Cheerleading.
Sometimes Ive seen small springboard trampolines used in cheerleading, too.
But in our conference where I go to school tramps are NOT allowed in
cheerleading and neither is the basket toss :-(
bye for now,
Missy

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 01:23:30 -0500
From: ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Subway error!

After looking at Grace's web page, I realized that it wasn't Kip
Simons who fell on P-bars; it was Jason Hardabura. Sorry!
Chris

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 02:09:32 -0600
From: ***@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
Subject: Re: Freezing iN Atlanta

Date sent: 14-NOV-1995 02:07:44

*is rolling on the floor laughing* Well, for everyone who know's me,
I'm from Wisconsin. A few months back, I mentioned that Ken Allen, a
judge (and from what I gathered, a well liked and respected individual)
taught at our school. Well, Ken is heading down to Atlanta to judge
at the invite. I told him today to have a great time and enjoy the
much warmer weather. *sighs* Maybe he just shoulda stayed her...nyah,
at least the gymnastics will be hot!

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 08:26:18 -0500
From: ***@EAGLE.LHUP.EDU
Subject: Re: NCAA ineligible

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Julie

On Mon, 13 Nov 1995, The Pagan Wookie wrote:

> What makes a gymnast NCAA ineligible? Just wondering? -Meg
>

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 08:40:47 -0500
From: ***@YALE.EDU
Subject: Re: NCAA ineligible

> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
>
> Julie
>
> On Mon, 13 Nov 1995, The Pagan Wookie wrote:
>
> > What makes a gymnast NCAA ineligible? Just wondering? -Meg
> >
>

Or rather, whatever the NCAA feels like defining as $$$$$$$$$.

:)
Adriana

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:24:36 EST
From: ***@ESSEX.AC.UK
Subject: get the independant

------- Forwarded Message

Subject:get the independant!!
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if anyone out there has been recieving strange e-mails from me its because i'm
stupid and don't know how to use this e-mail thing so when replying to things
instead of replying for everyone, i've replyed to individuals- SORRY!

anyway if your a brit go to your local newsagent quickly and get yourselves a
copy of yeasterdays independant!! there's an article in there about the youth
olympics!! i can make photocopies for those of you that can't get hold of it!!

also watch the disney club on jan 7th as there is a programme about the
competition, featuring yvette fielding being taught to squat on jump off a vault
by adrian stan!!

ok that's all for now i shall try and forward my messages to you all properly,
let me know if i've done anything wierd please!

bye bye angel
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:02:53 -0400
From: ***@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU
Subject: question about ineligibility

What makes Zmeskal, Okino, and Miller ineligible for NCAAs but Strug, who I
thought had competed in mainly the same events, is eligible? Also, why did
Dawes lose her scholarship and where was it to?
LM

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 14:11:57 GMT
From: ***@CS.BHAM.AC.UK
Subject: wanted - coaching position

Hello All,

As some of you already know, I am a British Trampoline Federation (BTF)
advanced qualified coach, and have assisted with the coaching of members from
the Swiss National A & B teams, English spring-board divers, and trampolinists
on the UK national circuit. Since October 1992 I have been the head trampoline
coach here at The University of Birmingham's Gymnastics and Trampoline club,
during which time the club has won the British University Trampolining
Championships in 1993, 1994 and 1995.

My ambition is to both promote trampolining as a sport (now IOC recognized),
as well as coach trampolining outside of the UK upto a National level. Do any
of you belong to a club (or know of other clubs) that would be interested in
hiring me as part of their coaching staff? Obviously I would be more than
willing to coach on a trial basis at yours (or any other club), in exchange
for full-board accommodation (I can probably cover my own travel expenses),
details of which could be ironed out at a later date.

Thanks for any help you can offer,
Christian.

Ps. Coaching references can be supplied from Sue Challis (ranked 5th in the
World), Nik Walder (ex Swiss National coach and international judge), Tony
Hull (British International Judge).

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:19:32 -0600
From: ***@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
Subject: Dominique Dawe's scholarship

Date sent: 14-NOV-1995 09:16:26

*sigh* I got a private email (don't worry, this is not hate mail or
anything like before) about my saying Dawes "lost" her scholarship.
I thought that would be sufficient to explain everything, but since
it wasn't, here's a little more. Dawes had a full scholarship to
Stanford. She decided to sign with an agent, which caused the NCAA
to rule her "ineligible" and therefore she cannot compete there.
hence, no scholarship.

As for what makes Strug eligible and not the others, I'd guess she
never accepted money. Though, as someone else put it earlier, "what
the NCAA defines as money" can be a real interesting task to understand.

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:32:59 -0500
From: ***@EAGLE.LHUP.EDU
Subject: Re: question about ineligibility

If you take prize money for winning, you become ineligible. Dawes
refused for years but eventually gave in. Can you blame her?

Julie

On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, L. Mitchell wrote:

> What makes Zmeskal, Okino, and Miller ineligible for NCAAs but Strug, who I
> thought had competed in mainly the same events, is eligible? Also, why did
> Dawes lose her scholarship and where was it to?
> LM
>

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:49:19 +0600
From: ***@ZGS.COM
Subject: Re: NCAA ineligible

>
> > $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
> >
> > Julie
> >
> > On Mon, 13 Nov 1995, The Pagan Wookie wrote:
> >
> > > What makes a gymnast NCAA ineligible? Just wondering? -Meg
> > >
> >
>
> Or rather, whatever the NCAA feels like defining as $$$$$$$$$.
>
> :)
> Adriana


There are many other reasons that an NCAA gymnast can become ineligible. Some
of the reasons are dictated by the NCAA, and some are rules by the particular
school. NCAA gymnasts must maintain a minimum GPA, take a full-time student
classload, and stay out of trouble with the law, to name a few.

In addition, if a gymnast changes schools, they can sacrifice one year of
eligibility (unless the school releases them). Also, I believe that there are
age requirements.


Troy

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:15:01 -0700
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject: Doni Thompson - out?

I am forwarding this message for Cindy, as we are currently resolving
conflicts with her listserv subscription.

Rachele
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:24:13 -0700
To: Gymnastics <GYMN-L@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
From: ***@csn.net
Subject: Doni Thompson Out?

Hi Gymners,

A couple of weeks ago, the kids at my daughter's gym (Berthoud School
of Gymnastics, Berthoud, CO) said that Doni Thompson had taken some
time off to consider whether or not to continue with gymnastics.

Yesterday, I was told she had made the decision to leave gymnastics
for good. She wasn't having fun with it anymore.

This is probably pretty reliable because our sixes were at a
compulsory meet at Aerials last weekend plus a number of our optionals
did the Aerials optional summer program last summer...they've got
friends with the Aerials kids.

Regards,

Cindy

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:06:33 -0500
From: ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: Re: Doni Thompson - out?

I am really surprised about this. Did anyone realize that she didn't
enjoy it as much as she used to? She seemed always so happy with it.


> I am forwarding this message for Cindy, as we are currently resolving
> conflicts with her listserv subscription.
>
> Rachele
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 09:24:13 -0700
> To: Gymnastics <GYMN-L@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
> From: ***@csn.net
> Subject: Doni Thompson Out?
>
> Hi Gymners,
>
> A couple of weeks ago, the kids at my daughter's gym (Berthoud School
> of Gymnastics, Berthoud, CO) said that Doni Thompson had taken some
> time off to consider whether or not to continue with gymnastics.
>
> Yesterday, I was told she had made the decision to leave gymnastics
> for good. She wasn't having fun with it anymore.
>
> This is probably pretty reliable because our sixes were at a
> compulsory meet at Aerials last weekend plus a number of our optionals
> did the Aerials optional summer program last summer...they've got
> friends with the Aerials kids.
>
> Regards,
>
> Cindy
>

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