GYMN-L Digest - 12 Nov 1995 to 13 Nov 1995
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Topics of the day:
1. Subway Meet
2. where
is...
3. Introduction
4. gymnastics
move ???
5. Tatiana Gutsu
6.
Age Change (2)
7. USA National
team members in NCAA
8. Gymn. Calendar
9. Subway - some answers
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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 23:47:00
-0500
From: ***@YORKU.CA
Subject:
Subway Meet
I had an awesome
time at the meet today (Grace, I'm sorry we missed
each
other; I did try to find you at the hotel, but you had already left).
It
was too bad that a lot of gymnasts made mistakes, and this put a
damper on the event.
A lot of the mistakes were weird.
For example, after
catching her Jaeger, Marinescu appeared to be going for a shoot to sole
circle on the low bar, then just fell off.
Anyway, here are some of the routine highlights that I can remember
right now.
Womens Vault: Lilya did her Omeliantchik barani outs well, after
some
very short landings in warm-up. Liu
Xuan's Yurchenko 1 1/2s
were great
(she really sent a message that none of
the Chinese women should be left out
of the AA
picture for Atlanta). Turgulan (sp?) did a Phelps, Marinesu did a
Yurchenko 1
1/2, Tousek and Ji Liya did Hristakievas. Grosheva
was
unfortunate to sit down both her Yurchenko 1 1/2s, after sticking a couple of
beautiful ones in the warm up.
Bars: Grosheva
deservedly got the highest score with a huge tkatchev
and an amazing combo of giant blind immediate roll to
inverts (not the same
as a Higgins roll) to piked Jaeger to Pak salto! She finished with a double
front. Liu did a
nice Higgins roll to inverts to piked Jaeger, Tkatchev and
double
layout. Pods tied her, but I
thought the judges were a bit generous,
considering
her Gienger was too close, with the usual form
break. Tousek
unfortunately didn't connect her Hindorff-pak
combo (she took an extra swing
- what's the deduction
for that?). Her piked
Jaeger and double layout were
good though. Sadly, Lavoie, one of my favourites, fell on her dismount, and
had to withdraw (I don't know what the injury was; I did see
her limping
later though).
Beam: Liu was great here,
showing three different Yang Bo jumps, and
a sky
high "Latvian Layout" (as someone on the forum once put it). Pods
almost
lost the title when her piked Chen went crooked. The rest was solid.
Tousek provided another highlight with her front handspring
step-out front
tuck. Galieva was
really good here: layout on, ff layout ff layout
(MacEachern did
this also), a Rulfova (which she never warmed up;
what a nice
surprise for the audience!) and double tuck.
I must say that Galieva appears
to be very much a gamer. She did not warm up too well
(particularly on vault
and beam) but came through
in the meet, with the exception of her Tkatchev
on
bars, which she warmed up great, only to fall
in the meet (although she
remounted and repeated
it successfully). Marinesu was also great here (her
Yang Bo jumps and
side somi were nice), and she did two ffs to full-in.
Brion also nailed this same dismount, but fell twice during
the routine.
Floor: What amazing
tumbling! Pods took out her double
front barani
out, but
her piked full-in dismount was I think the best she's
done it all
year. Her floor clinched the title, after Xuan, who had led up to that
point,
took a few steps out of bounds on her whip to triple full mount. Ji
didn't do her layout full-in, and her mount and dismount
were both short.
Marinescu did an amazing front
double-full punch front, and she and her
teammate
both ended with two of the best triple fulls I've
ever seen (is this
the new Romanian
trademark). Tousek
had amazing choreography (the best of
the meet
IMHO), and a solid arabian double front and triple
full to boot.
Brion had a terrible time
here. First, she landed her double
layout out of
bounds (she tumbles so long; she's
so small and I think she only uses four
steps in
her approach). Her piked full-in was amazing with great form, but
at the end she fell out of bounds (and almost right off the
podium; she was
saved by, I think it was one of
the Chinese coaches) on a whip to triple full
(a
shame since she warmed it up perfectly).
I think there should have been
more room
around the mat. If I were a gymnast
tumbling on there, I wouldn't
feel too safe!
Well, I think I'm going to go to bed soon, so maybe I'll post some
mens highlights tomorrow. I don't know mens
pommels too well, and I don't
have as good a
memory with the mens routines. I'll give it a try anyway.
With
most of these athletes also going to the Atlanta meet, you
American fans
are in for a treat!
Good night! From Chris
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 12:14:22
GMT
From: ***@CS.BHAM.AC.UK
Subject:
where is...
Anybody have a contacty address
for the US trampolinist Jennifer Sans?
Thanks,
Christian
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 16:45:48
EST
From: ***@DGE.CEO.DG.COM
Subject:
Introduction
CEO document contents:
Hello from the City Of
Birmingham, England. Although I have a keen interest in
sport
I must admit at being rather a novice in terms of Gymanastics.
My recent
interest has arisen because of my six
year old daughter, Charlotte, succesfully
passing trials and becoming a member of the City of
Birmingham Gym club, where
she now trains twice a
week. With Gymnastics suddenly becoming very prominent
in
our family life, its been very dissapointing to find
the UK media (TV and
press) give it very little
time. However, coming across this discussion forum,
and
the Web pages hosted by Rachele, has provided us with
some very useful
information, as we take our first
steps into this sport.
My main interests in joining _GYMN_ include not
only wanting to learn more
about Gymnastics at a
world level but also in understanding the British scene
at
both a club and National level . I notice that the _GYMN_ calendar
includes
several UK events and i'd
welcome receiving more information on these events
(particularly
the Grand Prix in Birmingham next month). I'm also on the lookout
for advanced notice of any TV programmes,
showing Gymnastics events, that are
receivable in
the UK on either terrestial or satellite telvision.
Unfortunately as a "novice" I
probably won't be able to contribute too much to
the
discussions taking place on _GYMN_, however i'll be
reading the postings
with much interest and if I
do come across anything that maybe of interest then
i'll post it to the group.
Regards
Nick
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:06:32
-0500
From: ***@EXPERT.CC.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:
gymnastics move ???
I was watching my tape of
the Sabae Worlds, and was reminded of a
question I have been meaning to ask. What is the move called that looks
like a front handspring with severely bent elbows. The gymnasts
head
looks like it is practically touching the
ground. I am not 100% sure,
but I think Gina Gogean does one
into the corner before a pass.
Aaron
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:09:00
-0500
From: ***@EXPERT.CC.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:
Tatiana Gutsu
Last I heard, Tatiana Gutsu was training here in Indiana...for a comeback
in the 1996 Olympics.
I believe someone mentioned before that another
former
gymnast is training with her attempting a comeback also. There
was a
news story done at the very beginning of 95, out of Indianapolis.
Her coach
is American...
Gymnly Yours,
Aaron
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 16:56:12
-0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:
Re: Age Change
Any way the age restrictions change will effect someone badly. Perhaps there
should
be a waiver for the athletes since they had been training to
peak in this coming Olympic year. Maybe, but if there is
going to be a change
in this sport with ages, it
has to start somewhere.
I still think coaches, more than athletes,
effect when a gymnast peaks.
Ten years from now things might be different
and athletes will peak at 18 or
older. But if that
is what the FIG wants, they have to change the age rules
to
prevent coaches from trying to get super athletes by 12 years old so that
they can compete internationally and get a "name"
prior to the Olympics.
I repeat the fact that age changes have
occurred before, olympics
have
been boycotted, and other events have occured outside the athletes's
power.
There has to be someone who says "enough is enough" and if
it is by changing
the age rules, then do it. Beats
having a bunch of washed up 16 year
olds or
younger who are burnt out.
Jeff
P.S. See ya
in Atlanta this Thursday night.
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 16:09:05
-0600
From: ***@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
Subject:
USA National team members in NCAA
Date sent: 13-NOV-1995 15:28:04
*smiles happily* OK, you asked for this.
Well,
anyhow, someone asked a few months back (around June) about national
team members who ended up in the NCAA's. This is my
compilation, through
the 1994 nationals, by year,
and including the Olympic trials in 1988 and
1992. This is long, so be
forewarned. Also, I know I am missing a few
people
in here, most likely, so please feel free to add in anything I
missed.
1988 Olympic trials (no national
results here)
1)Phoebe Mills (swtiched
to diving)
2)Kelly Garrison-Steves
(already attending Oklahoma)
3)Hope Spivey
(attended Georgia)
4)Brandy Johnson (retired,
still training?)
5)Chelle
Stack (attending Oklahoma)
6)Missy Marlowe
(attended Utah)
7)Rhonda Faehn
(attended UCLA)
8)Kristie Phillips (retired)
9)Christy
Henrich (retired, we all know the rest)
10)Sheryl Dundas (attended
Alabama)
11)Stacey Gunthorpe
(no info available)
12)Lisa Panzironi
(attended Florida)
13)Kristen Kenoyer
(attended Utah)
14)Robin Richter (no info
available)
15)Carol Ulrich (attended UCLA)
16)Kim Kelly (attending Alabama)
17)Tina
Snowden (attended Stanford)
18)Danna Lister
(attended ASU)
19)Doe Yamashiro
(no info available)
20)Joyce Wilborn
(no info available)
21)Sabrina Mar (most likely
retired due to the back problems, but...)
22)DeeDee Foster (attended Alabama)
1989
National Championships
1)Brandy Johnson (see
above)
2)Christy Henrich
(see above)
3)Sandy Woolsey (attending Utah)
4)Jenny Ester (attending ? ASU, might be past tense)
5)Wendy Bruce (retired, NCAA ineligible, I think)
6)Juliet Bangerter (attending
BYU)
7)Chelle Stack (see
above)
8)Kristen Kenoyer (see above)
9)Sheryl Dundas (see above)
10)Stephanie Woods (attending Alabama)
11)Lisa Panzironi (see above)
12)Chari Knight (attended OSU)
13)Kim
Kelly (see above)
14)Jennifer Merceir
(attending Utah)
15)Anne Dixon (attending
UCLA)
16)Diane Cushenberry
(attending Oklahoma)
17)Tracey Cole (might be at
Oklahoma, but I don't know)
18)Marna
Neubauer (attending Alabama)
19)Robin
Richter (no info available)
20)Agina
Simpkins (attended Georgia :))
1990 national championships
1)Kim Zmeskal (NCAA
ineligible)
2)Betty Okino
(unsure, but I think ineligible, or is enjoying touring)
3)Brandy
Johnson (see above)
4)Erika Stokes (retired)
5)Sandy Woolsey (see above)
6)Kim
Kelly (see above)
7)Agina
Simpkins (see above)
8)Shannon Miller (NCAA ineligible, still competing
elite)
9)Amy Shrerr (no
info available)
10)Christy Henrich
(see above)
11)Chelle
Stack (see above)
12)Elisabeth Crandall (attending
BYU)
13)Juliet Bangerter
(see above)
14)Christine Tonry
(no info available)
15)Marna
Neubauer (see above)
16)Danna
Lister (see above)
17)Jennifer Merceir
(see above)
18)Chari Knight (see above)
19)Stephanie Woods (see above)
20)Fuller
Frenz (no info, but could this be Alysa
Frenz at Utah?)
1991 Nationals (ok, our
system is shutting down in fifteen minutes, so
I'm just listing the new
entries)
3)Kerri Strug
(committed to UCLA)
6)Hilary grivich
(switched to diving)
9)Dominique Dawes (cmmitted to Stanford, but lost scholarship)
10)Molly Shawen (no info
available)
11)Shelly Engel (retired)
13)Hilary Andersen (no info)
14)Michelle
Campi (committed to Washington)
19)Suzanne Metz (attended Utah)
20)Larissa
Fontaine (comitted to Stanford)
1992
nationals
5)Amanda Borden (committed to
Georgia)
8)Kristen McDermott (attending Arizona)
12)Sarah
Balogach (attending Auburn)
13)Traci
Sommer (attending Utah)
14)heidi Honrbeek (attending
Arizona)
15)Monica Shaw (attending Utah)
18)Kim Arnold (attending Georgia)
19)Jennifer
McKenna (I think she's at ASU)
1993 nationals (only going with
those old enough, folks)
8)Jenni Beathard (attending Georgia
11)Summer
Reid (attending Utah)
12)Samantha Muhleman (attending georgia, I
think she's injured right now)
14)Katie
Fitzpatrick (attending Stanford)
15)Lisa Gianni
(attending Alabama)
18)Karin Lichey
(attending Georgia)
1994 Nationals
11)Martha
grubbs (attending Florida)
15)Ashley
Kever (attending Alabama)
OK, that's
all I have from the national teams that I can identify. But,
just of note, here are a few stats from those who have been
at the top
of the NCAA's but never made the
national team...
jenny Hansen (1991
Nationals, 27th)
Beth Wymer (26th in 1989, 29th
in 1990)
Heather Kabnick (28th in 1991, 26th in
1992)
Leslie Angeles (22nd in 1991, 31st in 1992)
Becky Erwin (31st in
1989)
Kim Bonoventura (30th in 1990, 26th in
1991, 36th in 1992)
Dana Dobransky (made the
national team in 1987)
Kristen Guise (31st in 1991, 27th in 1992)
Amy myerson (30th in 1990)
OK, that's all I had time
for. I'm sorry if I forgot someone.
Hope this was somewhat
enlightening.
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 14:03:44
-0500
From: ***@EXPERT.CC.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:
Gymn. Calendar
I saw an advertisement for a
1996 Gymnastics Calendar in one of my IG.
I
was wondering, since a price wasn't given, if someone
knew how much is
was. There was an address given, but I am
afraid that if I write to find
out the price, that
it would take a long time before I would get a
reply. It said there was a limited number
produced. The cover has
Dominique
Dawes in her splits mount on beam, she is wearing an ugly
leotard IMO.
Anyway, I would appreciate the help.
Gymnly
Yours,
Aaron
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 16:04:00
-0700
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject:
Re: Age Change
|
| Any way the age restrictions change will effect someone badly. Perhaps there
| should
be a waiver for the athletes since they had been training to
| peak in this coming Olympic year.
The age rule
change takes effect after the 1996 Olympics, so no
athletes
will be affected in the upcoming Games.
Rachele
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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 21:09:15
-0400
From: ***@CAPITALNET.COM
Subject:
Subway - some answers
Hi, I just got back from Hamilton after driving
all day. It's snowing and
miserable out. I
got most of my photos done in Hamilton, but my last roll
of
film just got blown away at the
photo shop in Ottawa. Sorry for
not
posting more details, as the telecomm
arrangements were ... well ... there
weren't
any. This means that I couldn't
access this account (and thus
unable to post
things
on my web pages) from Hamilton at all since
Saturday morning.
Also, apologies to Chris for
missing our meeting. I
stayed in Hospitality
from 10 to 11am -- we were
watching "Apollo 13". I went down to the lobby
but
it turned out that brunch didn't start until 11:30am (even though I
reserved for 11am -- $%^@ hotel fools). I saw the Chinese team off and went
back up to Hospitality for more free (Subway) food before
taking off to
Copps. I grabbed some sandwiches for you in
hopes of running into you later.
I hope you got food, after all. Thanks for
providing the details, Chris.
It was hard taking photos and notes,
especially when there were three
events going on
simultaneously. I'll need
assistants next year. :^)
The
photo chutes were restricted to three of the corners of the arena.
These
were very tough places to shoot from.
I was lucky enough to be asked
by the
organizers to go out on the floor to shoot the athletes on the
equipment which were adorned by sponsor logos. So, for those of you who
were there, I was
wearing a
navy sweater and an off-white skirt, and trying not to get into the
CBC TV camera sightlines. BTW, lady GYMN reporters, don't wear a
skirt when
you have to get to the press box via a
mesh-wired catwalk (fortunately there
weren't many
spectators/voyeurs in the cheap seats).
I met Allan Claus during the
competition and at the "disco" party last
night. We had a nice chat. But we didn't talk about the
following...
Q. What's a Hindorff?
A.
It is element #2.501 in the women's Code of Points. It has an "E" value
(because not many women perform it). It is a "clear hip circle on HB
through
handstand, counter straddle to hang on
HB" and is usually done facing the LB.
It is named for East German
Silvia Hindorff (late '70's/early '80's).
Q. And an Ono?
A. An Ono is a Japanese-American widow of a
Beatle. I don't recall exactly
what Alexis did before her dismount in competition. In my judging
observation
notes from Saturday, I thought it was a full-turning downswing
from handstand (from giant), which is an Oka. This is a
"D" element and is
named after Canadian
gymnast Koyuki Oka. It would make sense to take it
to
a double front dismount because she'd be in a
reverse grip. If you play it
in reverse it looks
like a Chusovitina/Thomas (giant hop-full) that
didn't
happen on top of the bar. (Maybe it should be an Ono -- "if
you play it in
reverse..."
;^)
Q. A Depp?
A. Whoops. I meant a Deff. A Depp is a good Buster Keaton
impersonator.
Q. Why is
the girl Yvonne from Canada ahead of the girl from China when
the girl from China had higher scores?
A. Yvonne Tousek
finished sixth AA with 38.400 points, while Ji Liya finished
ninth with
37.562 points. Both had problems on
bars. Yvonne took a 0.3
extra swing deduction after her Hindorff
and missed 0.2 in connection bonus
(E+D) because she was supposed to do a
Pak salto (layout back salto
to LB) from
it. She ended up with a 9.3. Ji fell onto
the LB with her stomach in her
shoot over for 0.5
deduction and a connection bonus (0.2 or 0.1) from
whatever
release it was from the HB. She
must have missed her hands or
something. She had another problem that I can't
recall at the moment
because almost everyone had
problems on bars. She ended up with
a 8.7.
Q. What happened to Marleen
Lavoie and Theresa Wolf?
A.
Theresa scratched just prior to the competition. She had jammed her ankle
on a bars dismount in training Friday night, but thought she
could still
compete. She withdrew to prevent further
injury. The same thing
happened
to Marleen
during the competition and she scratched after bars.
Q. How much money did they get?
A. According to Alan Nolet,
1st AA gets $5,000 (Cdn), 2nd $3,000, 3rd
$2,000.
For each event, 1st gets $600, then $400, then $200. By my
calculations,
Alan
should get $6,600 and Lilia should get $6,200.
Now, a question for
y'all: Is Pod's vault (#4.508) a Phelps?
That's it for now. I've got to get to my web page
updates. Stay tuned.
Regards,
Grace
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