GYMN-L Digest - 12 Jun 1996 to 13 Jun 1996
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Topics of the day:
1. GYMN-L Digest - 11 Jun 1996 - Special
issue (4)
2. US Gymnasts
3. Event Finals (2)
4. GYMN-L Digest - 11 Jun 1996 to 12 Jun
1996
5. MAG - Response to
Critics
6. sour
grapes
7. Nationals
8. Olympic Trials Questions
9. Thanks!!
10. For those interested in photography. . .
11. WAG: JACIE'S ROUTINE at US of A Nationals.
12. US of A TV ALERT: WOMEN'S 1996
Europeans (2)
13. It ain't "The Devil Went Down to
Georgia!"
14. Attn: Pete
Abbott
15. Gogean
might miss Olympics
16. Gogean to miss Atlanta?
17. Romania and China news
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:43:21
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: GYMN-L Digest - 11 Jun 1996 - Special issue
<I think
"Tomorrow Belongs to Me" needs to be playing in the
background>
<during this speech.. if any of you have seen Cabaret, you will get that>
<reference, if you haven't, oh well... you miss out.>
Pretty clever.
The problem is that you seem unaware
as to what it takes to produce a
champion. I was the assistant coach with Ed Burch
in 1985, when we did the
planning to achieve the
impossible (according to everyone "in the know", only
the collegiate program could accomplish this), to get an
Olympian out of Gold
Cup. The
beginning of our plan was the simple belief that we had 6 gymnasts
(Brad
Bryan, Mike Chaplin, Ted Dimas, Trent Dimas, Lance Ringnald,
and
Chainey Umphrey)
who had the ability to make it big.
They were from 13 to 16
years old, very
talented, but there was no way we could absolutely predict
what the future held for them. So, we started with our belief in them,
and
then created the plan to get there. The belief itself didn't make these
gymnasts such a tremendously successful group; it was the
years of hard work
and perseverence
that did it. But the plan wouldn't
have been made and the
goals wouldn't have been
set without the belief in the potential of a bunch
of
talented kids.
For the past 10 years, Ed Burch has been one of the
most successful coaches
in America. Consistently, his teams perform way over
their heads in
competition. It happens because he has a plan, because
he is willing to do
the work, and because his
gymnasts, when they walk on the floor to compete,
know
that he has complete faith in their ability to be great. It may sound
like
schmaltz to you, but this kind of attitude and approach is the key to
making the transition from good to greatness.
The
"realists" are never satisfied with the talent they have; they are
always
in search of the perfect athlete,
discarding the imperfect along the way.
They never get the job done, because all
they ever see is faults, not
potential.
If,
as a coach, you refuse to buy into the gymnasts
dreams, you doom him to
mediocrity. The most
disappointed athletes that I have ever known have not
been
the ones who push for a great goal and fail to reach it; the unhappy
ones are those who wonder if they could have done more if
they had reached a
little harder.
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 08:48:15
-0700
From: ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject:
US Gymnasts
I will spare everyone the agony of putting
up
that persons post again who was nailing the guy gymnasts as well as
Karolyi and Kim Zmeskal and Kerri
Strug.
First: Bela is the best coach in the
world.
He has produced more champions than any other. Nunno
is, no doubt, a
great coach but I just can't
except what you said about Karolyi not
being a "real coach". What history books have you
been reading?
Second: I loved Zmeskals floor routine.
In
case you have forgotten, she was the 92 World
Champion on floor
exercise. Other gymnasts freely
admitted that Kim deserved the title.
And I don't get why everyone has such
a problem w/Karolyi's gymnasts
floor
routines. You are supposed to express your personality on the
floor, not try and suite someone else's.
Third: I admit that the Men are having some
difficulty
in capturing medals in international competion but
for
heavens sake, give them a break. It must be
hard for them. All people
ever say is how rotten
they are and how hopeless they are. What kind of
encouragement
is that? I happen to like Chris Waller and Scott Keswick.
Scott has always
fought in competions and is a great gymnast. He
stands
up for the Mens
team when people slam them and that takes a lot of
courage.
If we would just give them half a chance, maybe they could
find some more motivation to do well.
Laura
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:39:46
-0600
From: ***@MARCELINE.K12.MO.US
Subject:
Event Finals
Could someone please post the results and scores of the
event finals for
women at nationals?
Allie
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 08:40:43
+0200
From: ***@MERCUR.USAO.EDU
Subject:
Re: GYMN-L Digest - 11 Jun 1996 to 12 Jun 1996
well,
i got my cataloug from endo, and unlike what the person posted
about a week ago, endo *dones not* have the moscow olympics. i
even
called the company to find out why it wasnt in the book, and i was
told
that the person who talked about the tape was
talking about stratsburg.
oh
well.
i remember several
weeks ago, someone posting that they had a trading
catalog.
and now i can't find the
address to that person. can someone
forward me the address? oh please? as a poor college student on a grant,
that
only gets access to a computer through the college, i've
found endos
tapes to be
a bit prohivitive. so if
anyone knows the address of the
tading
catalog please e-mail me/
about the mens at nationals. it was very anoying that they weren't given
the
coverage that he woman are. yes, we might not be world
champions any
more, but give the poor guys a
break, they train hard, and they work hard
at it. my husband who hates gymnastics enjoyed the nationals. he thought
our team had class,
and i agree with him. in sabe who was third after
compulseries? we where. that shows you that are men are good. and
in
porto rico, several of of men qualified
for finals. I wouldn't be
surprised if the usa won some kind of medal in the olympics.
i wanted to thank everyone who
answered my question off line about
isreal.
I
have another question. HAs the North korea
pulled out of womans elite
gymnastics?
I know thery where doing well for a while, then
just
disapered. were they suspended?
katrinka
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:17:07
-0400
From: ***@UKY.CAMPUS.MCI.NET
Subject:
MAG - Response to Critics
Peter Vidmar asked
me to post this for him:
>I simply could not read the repulsive
comments slamming USA men's gymnastics
>without
replying. Even if you were the finest , most
knowledgeable coaches,
>athletes, and judges on
the planet, you could have been more respectful to
>these
athletes who have put their heart and soul into their preparation for
>the Olympics. Some of you would do better for yourselves by
spending one day
>in the gym with any of these
kids and you would hold your tongues (typing
>fingers)
next time. It's perfectly fine to dislike someone's gymnastics, (to
>a point), but to use the kind of flippant, and at times
vitriolic language
>that some of you did, shows
a complete lack of respect for our sport. Shame
>on
you. For those of you who stepped up to defend our guys, thank you. I know
>some of you and I know your credentials. I happen to think
our gymnasts will
>do very well in Atlanta. And
if the Chinese win and Belarus, and Japan beat
>our
guys too, so what! I hope you people have better things to do with your
>time than to give these guys something other than honest,
well-founded
>critiques of gymnastics
performances, along with the dignity and respect an
>Olympic athlete
deserves.
>
>Sincerely, Peter Vidmar, an old has-been who could do nothing
more than win
>gold medals in a
"boycotted" Olympics.
>
>
Although Peter is
much too modest to say so himself, I wanted to post a
comment
about that "boycotted" Olympics myself. I just want to remind the
author of that statement that in 1984 the US men defeated
the reigning World
Champions, the People's Republic of China, which had the
almost identical
team, to the best of my
recollection, as they had at the Worlds.
And, on
their way to the Gold, the US men
set a new Olympic record for total points.
Additionally, and someone please
correct me if I'm wrong, I believe that
although
Eastern Block nations and the Soviet Union did not send athletes,
they did send judges for gymnastics and other sports.
If
anyone would like to respond to Peter, I'll be happy to forward mail to
him. Any posts
to the list concerning this will also be forwarded.
Chris
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:30:18
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: GYMN-L Digest - 11 Jun 1996 - Special issue
Julianne McNamara is
now married to Todd Zeile who is 3rd base for
the
Philadelphia Phillies, and they have one son and I think his name might
be
Zach or something a little different in terms of names, she does
some
commentary for NCAA gymnastics and I think
once for the Olympic Festival last
year.
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 06:58:03
-0400
From: ***@MINDSPRING.COM
Subject:
Re: sour grapes
Gina writes:
>In the last few days (and
much too frequently the rest of the time), people
>on
this list have bashed and bad-mouthed the men's team, specific men's
>National
team members, Bela, Dominique M, and Geza Pozar's choreography to
>obsession. You
people are an embarrassment to a proud and difficult sport
>that has some of the most dedicated and hard-working people
associated with
>it that you will find
anywhere. Since none of you have
made anywhere near
>the accomplishments of
these gymnasts and coaches, you are wasting our time
>reading
this trash.
Okay, I knew sooner or later that despite my mild-mannered
demeanor someone
would
instigate a rude reply
from me ;)
GET
REAL!! - so - the art that we critique is not created
by hard-working
artists? The music by
hard-working musicians? The books by (and
I'm one) hard-working authors?
The movies by hard-working
directors? Since when do you have to be able to
do it in order
to critique it? (Let's see you be President for
a month) The
coaches and choreographers are expressing their
opinion of how
things should be done by what they have the
gymnasts do - and
who are they doing it for? Are you saying that
the audience
(especially one that takes the time to write
about it like we
do) isn't entitled to make some demands? This
IS a market
economy after all. There, I feel much better
now :)
Oh -
btw - the choreography DOES bite.
GO AMANDA!!
--
--- Jeff
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:30:19
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: GYMN-L Digest - 11 Jun 1996 - Special issue
Does anyone have old
issues of USA Gymnastics and IG liek from '91, '92, '93
and
some '94?
It would be much appreciated I would pay for shipping.
Please
E-mail me privately
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:09:20
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: GYMN-L Digest - 11 Jun 1996 - Special issue
Michelle,
I
just wanted to say that I am really sorry for my harsh criticisms.
Actually,
until watching Nationals a few days ago, I had no idea that any
such thing had happened to Scott. I admire your support, and
Scott is lucky
to have a wife backing him up all
the way. My intentioned were simply to
critisize the US mens team,
because I guess I was really upset to see the
outcome
of their performances at Nationals. I guess I let my emotions get the
best of me to say the least. Its
just that I was really dissapointed and I
guess kind of angry to see Scott, Chris, Trent, Bill, ect do so poorly,
because
their names have become famous and they are the ones who have worked
so hard and come so far to get where they are today. It just
seems unlike
them to just let these younger new
people like MacReady and Wilson just step
all over them like that. I know that the sport is
unforgiving and in many
ways psychological, and
like I said I let my emotions get
the best of me.
Sometimes we all forget just how difficult these
elements are because the
athletes make them look
so easy.
I am looking forward to going to the Olympic Trials in Boston
and I wish the
US team the best of luck. I will be there
cheering and supporting them 100 %.
I will bring the prozack
in my pocket incase I have another emotional
outburst
again ! and please, no one bring a gun to shoot me, I
am too young
to die :-)
John
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:28:53
+0100
From: ***@ASUCLA.UCLA.EDU
Subject:
Nationals
WIth Amanda's permission, I will
try to be happier and more positive about
USA Gymnastics..
Nationals
were great. NBC's coverage was
great. Shannon was great. Her
double
layout on floor was so great. Her
1st vault was great. Her
second
vault was great. Her bars dismount was great. Her beam was great except
for the fall. Jaycie Phelps was great. The profile on her was great. Her
bars
was great. Her choreography was
great. Amanda was great. Her bars
were
great. Her floor music was
great. I thought Moceanu's new floor was
great. Her hair is great! Dominique Dawes was
great - too bad she missed
compulsories! But
Kelli Hill was great. Kerri Strug
was so great. Her floor
choreography is
one of the best ever. Her double layout was great. The men were great too.
Go
USA!!!
--
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:46:54
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Olympic Trials Questions
Sorry if these have already been asked:
1) Any word yet
on whether either Amy Chow or Andree Pickens were able to
successfully petition to trials ?
2) Why are the
compulsory/optional weightings for the men and women
different
? (50/50 for the men and 60/40 for the women) Is is this way
in
the Olympics also or just for nationals and
trials ?
Thanks !
Sarah
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:56:15
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Thanks!!
Hi, I just wanted to write and tell everyone that wrote to
me, regarding my
health project ("Eating
Disorders in Gymnastics") Thank you. I was very happy
to know that people cared enough and write to me with tons
of great advice
for my paper and great resources.
I am sorry for the delay....I would have
written earlier but my computer was broken and I haven't
been hooked back on
until today. I would
personally like to thank each and everyone of you
individually, but since I got so much mail...I would like to
tell you all at
once. So thanks again everyone for
your support and help on my health
project. Thanks
again.
-------------------------Alicia
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:00:37
PDT
From: ***@TIBCO.COM
Subject:
For those interested in photography. . .
FYI
if you are interested in gymnastics photography, the current issues of
both "Shutterbug" and "Petersons PhotoGraphic" magazines have articles on
shooting the Olympics.
Dave Black is one of 5 photographers profiled in
"Shutterbug,"
and there is a color photo of Vitali Scherba on vault from
Sabae. In "PhotoGraphic,"
Black and Eileen Langsley were quoted.
-Amanda
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:17:55
-0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:
WAG: JACIE'S ROUTINE at US of A Nationals.
What is the name of the
music she used in this routine? Someone used it
at
Barcelona because i heard it in the back ground in AA
as the
broadcast followed Gutsu's
BB routine. Anyone know who used it in
1992?
Thanks.
This
has just been urking me for awhile.
Jefff
Usual signatures and raves about
Dina!
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:15:09
-0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:
US of A TV ALERT: WOMEN'S 1996 Europeans
Please, oh man PLEASE Don't forget that the 1996 Women's Europeans
will be broadcast on ABC's WIDE WORLD OF SPORTS ****THIS****
weekend
at 4:30 PM EST (CHECK LOCAL TIMES!)
TV
Guide lists running as the headliner for the show (some mini-marathon,
who knows) so don't be surprised to see only a small amount
of gymnastics.
Plus, this will be the last time we'll see Kathy and Bart,
so it will be
their last chance to make Olympic
predictions.
DON't FORGET TO SET THE
VCRS!!!!
Jeff
Dina, Dina, Dina (should have been
European Champ, European Champ, European
Champ!)
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:48:07
-0500
From: ***@UTMB.EDU
Subject:
It ain't "The Devil
Went Down to Georgia!"
Someone mentioned the other day that
Shannon Miller uses "Gypsy Violin"
music
on FX.
Does anyone know the title of the music she used in Barcelona
(and after...)
Thanks
Joel
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 21:59:59
-0500
From: ***@SCOTT.NET
Subject:
Re: Event Finals
The scores are posted on the US Gymnastics
homepage.
>
Michele
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:44:00
-0400
From: ***@CAPITALNET.COM
Subject:
Attn: Pete Abbott
Dear Pete,
I've been trying to reply to
your e-mail, but keep getting messages
bounced. I've tried ***@wais.bekkers.com.au
and
***@bekkers.com.au. Please provide me with an alternate
e-mail
address.
Thanks,
Grace
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 00:14:44
+0000
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject:
Gogean might miss Olympics
Per Reuters:
BUCHAREST, June 12 (Reuter)
- Double world gymnastics champion Gina Gogean
has
appendicitis and may miss the Atlanta Olympics, the Romanian news
agency
Rompres said on Wednesday.
It quoted coach
Octavian Belu as saying Gogean,
world gold medallist on
the
vault and floor, had undergone surgery on Wednesday and might not
recover
in time for the Games which open on July 19. "(This) could
seriously
lower our performance at the Olympics," Belu
said. Rompres said
the
team's chances could be further hit as 1992 Olympic vault and floor
champion
Lavinia Milosovici was
suffering from a sprain. Milosovici and
Gogean
both helped Romania to win the European team title in Birmingham
last
month and world gold in Japan last year. They were the nation's
best
hopes for gymnastics medals in Atlanta.
# # #
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:37:11
PDT
From: ***@AMDAHL.CO.ZA
Subject:
Gogean to miss Atlanta?
I read today on WWW
that Gogean may miss Atlanta due to apendicitis!!!!
(Maybe this is old news, but I haven't
heard anything about it here) There
is also an
article about the Chinese women's gymnastics team.
You can read it
at:
http://sports.yahoo.com/international/gymnastics/
Helen.
:)
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 03:01:27
-0400
From: ***@GENIE.COM
Subject:
Romania and China news
On Reuters news service I picked up a couple of gymnstics stories.
In
the first it quoted the Chinese coach as saying that he doesn't
think they have a good shot at the team gold. Coach Lu Shanzhen says the
team is
young and inexperienced. He is
pinning his hopes on individeaul
gold medals from Mo Huilan, Li Xuan, Ji Liya,
and Mao Huiling.
The
second article was from Romania. It
seems that Gina Gogean had
an
appendicitis attack and had surgery on Wednesday. They don't think she
will be recovered for the Olympics, (no kidding!) Also, Lavinia Milosivici
is "suffering
from a sprain" which could further hit Romania's chances for a
team gold.
That
sure puts a new wrinkle in the "guess the outcome" trivia games.
Kathy
E.
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 05:44:26
-0400
From: ***@CYKICK.ECLIPSE.NET
Subject:
Re: US of A TV ALERT: WOMEN'S 1996 Europeans
Jeffrey writes about this
Saturday's WWOS (in part):
>TV Guide lists running as the headliner
for the show (some mini-marathon,
>who knows)
so don't be surprised to see only a small amount of gymnastics.
>Plus,
this will be the last time we'll see Kathy and Bart, so it will be
>their last chance to make Olympic predictions.
The
cynicism may be warranted this time.
The running event is the Advil
(formerly L'Eggs) Mini-Marathon (10K), considered a major competition
in
NY. This was held last
Saturday, just a few days after a woman was
brutally
beaten into a coma in Central Park; where the race ends. Last
week,
some man got in the way of the lead runner - and when he wouldn't get
out of the way, ABC's Marty Liquori
got out of the truck (where he was
covering the
race) and shoved the guy off the course.
It'll be interesting
to see how this is
handled on the broadcast.
Helena
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