GYMN-L Digest - 11 Jul 1996 - Special issue

There are 25 messages totalling 615 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

1. GYMN-L Digest - 16 Jun 1996 - Special issue (3)
2. PowerBars, again!
3. Moceanu's condition
4. Canadians going to Atlanta (2)
5. Bravo will repeat "Tokyo Olympiad" next week
6. Seattle TV alert
7. Shannon at Mikey D's
8. PREDICTIONS
9. Santa Monica Beach Meet?
10. I Saw It Too!
11. Moceanu's recovery & NCAA question
12. Canadian Broadcast schedule
13. Caffeine
14. I'm sorry, but this statement really ticked me off!
15. DAWES
16. Silly posts about US not medaling at Atlanta.
17. Russian Women and Atlanta
18. 1996 Olympics, Team comp
19. Women's Olympic Teams
20. Predictions
21. Moceanu Working Out, Will Perform this Weekend
22. Reaching too far??? Article in B'ham News

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:05:19 CDT
From: ***@IASTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 16 Jun 1996 - Special issue

I don't know if anyone else has already posted this, but today there was
a huge article about Shannon Miller in USA Today. It was about how she
hasn't won the gold yet in an olympics and such. If anyone would like it
emailed to them, just let me know :)

Amy

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 10:05:50 -0400
From: ***@UNHF.UNH.EDU
Subject: PowerBars, again!

Once again, we hear a Powerbar bash on the forum. If there really is something
wrong with either the product or the company, would someone please post those
details on the list?? I heard nothing but good things about them until I
subscribed to gymn, but what I hear are sarcastic remarks rather than real
information. If there is a real issue that I'm not aware of, I'd like to hear
about it so that I can make a choice about continuing to use the product or
not.

Thanks,
Lynanne

(If it's just a joke that began before I subscribed, it would be good to know
so that those of us who like the product don't keep wondering why it gets such
bad press on the list.)

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 07:27:37 -0700
From: ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: Moceanu's condition

I have some news on the state of Moceanu's
injury and I thought that I'd share the article w/all of you.

" Dominque Moceanu has resumed regular
workouts but is still in some pain a month after doctors found a stress
fracture in her leg.
With 10 days to go before Olympic
Gymnastics competion begin, Moceanu is using portable ultra-sound
device, getting extra sleep and taking vitamins w/hope that the
fracture will heal. "She's working out on it slowly. It's getting
better," said her coach, Bela Karolyi. "not like before, but it is
painful."
Moceanu,14, is in Greensboro NC this week
for a pre-Olympic exibition. "I see a definite improvement every day."
Karolyi said. "She is trying and striving because everything is
possible. She is in very good working condition and working mood."

- The News Jornal

Laura

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:30:32 EDT
From: ***@BIOMED.QUEENSU.CA
Subject: Canadians going to Atlanta

I thought that Marilou Cousineau was also going to Atlanta? Has she not
qualified?

Anne

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:42:23 EDT
From: ***@BBN.COM
Subject: Bravo will repeat "Tokyo Olympiad" next week

The movie "Tokyo Olympiad" is a 1965 Japanese documentary about the
1964 Olympic games. It includes about 7 minutes of footage of gymnastics
(women and men). It's mostly just snippets of the top competitors, but
the snake's eye view of men's high bar is interesting. Better yet,
Bravo is actually showing the original 3-hour version (and letterboxed, to
boot).

The gymnastics segment starts about 75 minutes or 80 minutes into the movie.

Times for next week (Eastern), on the Bravo cable channel:

Thursday 7/18 8-11 p.m.
Friday 7/19 1:45-4:45 a.m.
Friday 7/19 1-4 p.m.

>>Kathy

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:26:00 -0700
From: ***@SEATTLEU.EDU
Subject: Seattle TV alert

The US Olympic Trials for gym are scheduled to be on ESPN Friday at 6pm
to 7:30 and somewhere around 2 in the morning (early Saturday).
Corrie :)

Go Jaycie and Dominique D!!!

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:36:35 -0500
From: ***@CARLETON.EDU
Subject: Re: Shannon at Mikey D's

>Hi! Everyone,

>While I was in Seattle Washington, driving by a Macdonald. I had to slam
>on the brake and pull in, I saw a big poster (6' x 3') of a gymnast on
>the exterior of this place. After I taken a few step closer, I realize
>it was a painted figure of Shannon Miller (very well done). Has anybody
>else seen this? If not you might want to keep your eyes peel next time
>you pass by a Macdonald, just thought I share that with you.

>Go! Amanda!
>Thomas


Thanks for reminding me ... I also saw this a a Macdonald's in
Gallipolis, Ohio (small town or the boarder with West Virginia) while I
was there for the 4th of July Holiday. That also reminds me that I was
watching the Carolyn and Marylin show on ABC Tuesday morning and they
hahd Olympic Moms on and then gave them makeovers for the games.
Shannon Miller's mom was one of the moms on the show. After the
makeovers they read anote to each mom from their children. Shannon's was kind of
neutral ...
not a big tear jerker that is.

-Meg

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 13:42:13 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: PREDICTIONS

1. 1. China
2. USA
3. Romania
4. Russia
5. Ukraine
6. France
7. Belarus
8. Spain
9. Hungary
10. Australia
11. Greece
12. Japan

2. 1. Mo Huilan
2. Lilia Podkopeyeva
3. Dominique Moceanu
4. Shannon Miller
5. Svetlana Boguinskaya
6. Lavinia Milosovici
7. Kerri Strug
8. Simona Armanar
9. Gina Gogean
10. Svetlana Khorkina

3. VAULT BARS BEAM
FLOOR
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1. Podkopeyeva 1. Dawes 1. Huilan 1.
Moceanu (w/ difficulty)
2. Miller 2. Khorkina 2. Borden
2. Podkopeyeva
3. Armanar 3. Huilan 3. Miller
3. Strug

4. All-time and present favorite- Mo Huilan

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:28:10 -0700
From: ***@FLUTE.AIX.CALPOLY.EDU
Subject: Santa Monica Beach Meet?

I've have recently been told that for the past several years, there has
been a "masters" type meet held on Santa Monica Beach during labor day
weekend. I was wondering if anybody knew of this meet, and maybe how to
get some more information about it.

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:44:11 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: I Saw It Too!

Hey thomas i saw that same poster @ my McDonalds! I think it was extremly
well done and congratulation to Shannon. I saw your article in USA today .Way
TO Go. See you in Atlanta. Best of luck~

Heather And Natalie

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 12:41:25 -0800
From: ***@EFN.ORG
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 16 Jun 1996 - Special issue

Dear Amy,

>I don't know if anyone else has already posted this, but today there was
>a huge article about Shannon Miller in USA Today. It was about how she
>hasn't won the gold yet in an olympics and such. If anyone would like it
>emailed to them, just let me know :)

OOOOhhhh, I would love a copy! I'm at:
kjaye@efn.org

Thank you!

Katie

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:55:31 -0500
From: ***@ORBITT.COM
Subject: Moceanu's recovery & NCAA question

Hi guys! I don't know how many of you have heard yet, but there was an
article in the Houston Chronicle today about DomM.. "Moceanu to return in
time for Games". It interviews her father and doctor (who both think she
will be in top form in Atlanta) along with giving lots of general summary.
For those of you who don't know, basically she has "made miraculous strides
in her recovery" and has been cleared to take part in full workouts this
week. She will also attempt to perform full routines at the exhibition this
weekend in NC. Anybody who wants to see the entire article can do so at
http://www.chron.com click on the icon"much of the days printed paper" and
then "sports" and you should be able to find it. You may have to register
your name and email address with HCI before you are allowed to read the
article (this is just so they know you have read, or at least know about,
their copyrights). IF you can't get it...email me and I'll help you :)

Now, I have a question: I have been reading the "US Olympic Factbook" and
more specifically the section on gymn. (there is lots of gymn history,
summary, and highlights of '96 hopefuls for those of you who haven't seen it
yet..about 55 pages of gymn!) It has factoids on some pages and one stated
that NCAA gymnasts are only allowed to work-out 20 hours per week. So does
this mean that the US mens team has regulated practice hours? And yet the US
women train 7-8 hours per day, six days a week? I realize that the mens
Olympic team is not affected by this now, but they were back in '92, were
they not?? Somebody please tell me if this is right, I am not familiar with
NCAA regulations. Thanks!!

Courtney
:)

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 16:39:28 -0400
From: ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 16 Jun 1996 - Special issue

actually you can view it on the web, if you have access....
http://www.usatoday.com and look under sports

> Dear Amy,
>
> >I don't know if anyone else has already posted this, but today there was
> >a huge article about Shannon Miller in USA Today. It was about how she
> >hasn't won the gold yet in an olympics and such. If anyone would like it
> >emailed to them, just let me know :)
>
> OOOOhhhh, I would love a copy! I'm at:
> kjaye@efn.org
>
> Thank you!
>
> Katie
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 17:06:29 -0400
From: ***@AA.WL.COM
Subject: Canadian Broadcast schedule

Grace,
For thiose of us who live in the US, could you please post the broadcast
schedule so we can set are friends' VCRs to tape CBC while we tape NBC?


Thanks,
Deb

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 17:56:03 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Caffeine

I read in People magazine that Dominique never had a Coke in her life. I
don't know whether this is true or not, but it certainly does conflict with a
previous post saying that Dominique had five cokes during trials. I know that
this is a pretty dumb topic to argue about, but I just wanted to point out
what was written in People.

Yours in Gymnastics,
Shari

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 17:55:00 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: Re: I'm sorry, but this statement really ticked me off!

I would just like to add, that I argee fully that men are innovators, a
fair reason why the women were not doing them earlier was the apparatus
itself. The UB of 20 years ago was not condusive tkatchevs and other
release moves. It wasn't until Shap started doing giants and the
other gymnast followed suit did we see the bars start going wider, etc.
Also, the form of the gymnast earlier on release moves was alot worse
than what we see now. I guess coaching has alot to do with this change.


Jeff

Dina, Dina, Dina.

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:07:52 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: DAWES

D. DAWES is NBC's athlete of the week on their home page of

http://www.olympic.nbc.com


Check it out. She's going to Stanford.


Jeff

Dina, Dina, Dina.


P.S. Here is a little bit of the 'NEWS' listed on the home page about
Moceanu.


Dom wil be in the weekend events. Her injury is 'infinitely better now',
according to her doctor


Check it out at:


http://www.olympic.nbc.com/dailyupdates/711.html

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:25:35 -0400
From: ***@VAXC.HOFSTRA.EDU
Subject: Re: Silly posts about US not medaling at Atlanta.

well said!!!!!

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:08:38 -0400
From: ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Russian Women and Atlanta

Just to add to what Jeff said about the Russian women's preparation for
the Olympics: during the CBC broadcast of last year's Subway challenge
meet (in which Galieva and Grosheva competed), the commentator, Carol
Orchard was saying that Leonid Arkaev had said that after Sabae they "went
home and reworked routines" and that they "were fiercely approaching
Atlanta with a new attitude." Don't count them out.
Yes the US beat Russia in Dortmund and Sabae, but if (and know
there are always some ifs in gymnastics) Russia had hit, it would have
been very different. In fact in Dortmund, Kotchetkova, Grosheva, and
Fabrishnova were all nursing injuries that relaly affected their routines.
For example all three competed very watered down floor routines (Grosheva
ended with a double twist, and didn't do her double twising front; Dina
didn't do a double layout and had just enough difficulty for a 10 SV in
competition 1b; and Fabrishnova's was so watered down I don't think it had
the 10.0 SV for competition 1b). So Russia wasn't exactly competing under
the best circumstances in either competition, so if things go right for
them this time...let me just say that if all teams hit in Atlanta, and the
judging is fair (I'm keeping my fingers crossed on this one), it should be
a four way race for the gold, with the potential of all four teams holding
the lead at different times, and it should come down to the last routine.
If all teams hit, I think the top four are, in order: 1. Russia 2. China
3. Romania 4. USA. Russia still has the best team overall IMO, and they
could have whipped the pants off ROmania in 1994 Dortmund if they had all
been healthy; they just have to go out there and prove it. I can only
hope that the team event in Atlanta will be the four way right down to the
wire race that it deserves to be.
Please don't hesitate to comment (I'm sure many of you will.....)
Chris.

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 17:35:26 +0100
From: ***@ASUCLA.UCLA.EDU
Subject: 1996 Olympics, Team comp

I agree with those posters touting Russia....They could win... In Dortmund
they bombed beam to lose to the US by a very slim margin, and the US hit all
24 routines.. In Sabae, Dominique Moceanu got just the score she needed to
beat Russia by less than 0.1. Give me a large break and a coke, but dont
give her either, well she has the former and if you give her the latter
it'll end up in People Magazine. The Russians are more talented, more
creative, and more polished than the US or Romania.. Unfortunately they
always seem injured or a little off...

However, you must also remember that the Olympics is in the US so there is
an automatic 0.1 deduction for every athlete not American, plus another
tenth if the routine is good.. These are called the American Cup or scAM
cup rules, first used in a major int'l competition at the 1991 Indianapolis
Worlds.

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 21:20:45 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Women's Olympic Teams

Does anyone know if the women's Olympic teams have been chosen for
Romania, China, and the Ukraine? If they've already been posted, could
someone e-mail me privately with the teams? Thanks in advance!
Dawn :)

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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:04:34 +1300
From: ***@NETACCESS.CO.NZ
Subject: Predictions

I was doing a bit of research for my "poll pics" and pulled out my results
from Sabae.

Do you realise that Mo was in the top 4 on all events in finals!!!!!!!!!!
Add this to her top ranking after the team competition, she is a real
threat to Pods.
We haven't heard her name much on this forum as being a chance.

She got 1 gold, 1 silver and 2 fourths. Not too bad in fact the best
performer.
Pods was next best with 1 gold 2 silvers and a 7th equal.
Marinescu was 4th on bars and beam.


Avril

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 22:25:03 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Moceanu Working Out, Will Perform this Weekend

Hi everybody!
There is an article in the USA Today "Atlanta 96" web site about Dominique
Moceanu's injury. You can find the whole article at

http://www.usatoday.com/olympics/oly.html

It starts out, "Only a week and a half before the olympics begin, 14-year-old
U.S. gymnast Dominique Moceanu is still in some pain from the stress fracture
doctors diagnosed in her right leg last month. 'She's working out on it
slowly. It's getting better,' said her coach, Bela Karolyi. 'Not like
before, but it's still painful yes.'"

The article goes on to say that Moceanu will perform in a pre-Olympic
exhibition this weekend in North Carolina. It also quotes her doctor as
saying that the fracture is "infinitely better now", but he says there is
still a risk that she could break her leg at the olympics, but it's "not a
very high risk."

The interesting thing about the article is that it's clear Bela still isn't
sure if Dominique will be ready for the games. He says things like he
"hopes" she will be ready and he "thinks" she can do it. He is seems
cautiously optimistic, though -- if you can believe what he's telling the
media.

-- Tammy

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 22:24:45 -0400
From: ***@KENT.NET
Subject: Re: Canadians going to Atlanta

>I thought that Marilou Cousineau was also going to Atlanta? Has she not
>qualified?
>
>Anne
>
No, she had a few mistakes in trials and finished out of the
top three. Its really too bad because she has lots of
experience and does some nice work. I'll watch my tape
again and see where she made her mistakes. It might
have been cumpulsory bars, but I'm not sure.

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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 22:15:04 -0500
From: ***@SCOTT.NET
Subject: Reaching too far??? Article in B'ham News

I found this in the Birmingham News, Sports Section:
Thursday, July 11, 1996

Reaching too far?
Dominique Moceanu has her place on U.S. team despite having a broken leg

by: Mike Holtzclaw
Newport News Daily Press

Dominique Moceanu was on TV the other night brushing tears from her
cheek. It was very moving, almost enough to make you go along with the plan.
Almost.
It was in a taped interview shown during the telecast of the U.S.
Olympic Gymnastic Trials, and Moceanu was choking back tears as she talked
about how her dream would be ruined if she did not get to participate in the
Olympics later this month.
This young girl has a stress fracture in her shin. A broken leg.
And because she is a rising star, a cash cow primed for the milking,
everyone wants to put her on the Olympic team. Now that the Games are fast
approaching, people are concerned about medal counts, endorsement
opportunities, TV ratings -- concerned about everything except her leg.
Understand that we are not talking about Jack Youngblood here, the NFL
lineman who once played an NFC championship game and a Super Bowl with a stress
fracture in his leg. Youngblood was an adult, a man in his 30's making alot of
money playing football.
Dominique Moceanu is 14 years old, and like any other child, she is
reliant upon the adults around her to supply commmon sense and good judgement
when her youthful exuberance tells her that everything will probably work out
OK.
Never mind Jack Youngblood. The better comparison here is the 7 year
old girl who died earlier this year in a wrongheaded attempt to fly an airplane
across the country.
Everyone knew that was a bad idea, a tragedy waiting to happen. Maybe a
second -grader is physically capable of piloting an airplane, but that does not
make her emotionally mature enough to accept the risks inherent in this stunt.
That's what she has parents for. But those people, who should have been
talking her out of it, instead were the ones talking her into it.
And when her plane went down, reporters and columnists around the
country kicked themselves for not trying to stop this before it happened. But
everyone had let it go on because it was good copy, good video. The public
liked the story of this plucky girl, abd besides, she would probably come out
OK.
Dominique Moceanu is another plucky little girl, and she figures she can
tough this out. It is normal for a strong-willed child to think like that.
And it is up to competent, caring parents to sit her down and say: "Honey, we
know how much this means to you, but you're not healthy enough. We are so
sorry, but some day you might understand that this was the right dicision."
But nobody seems to be saying that.
Her coach, Bela Karolyi, said he wished he could give her his leg. Of
course, if he was concerned about her as a young girl and not just as the
latest filly in his stable, he would not have to offer his leg to her -- he
would simply refuse to let her imperil her own.
Instead, he is leading her back on o the mats, presumably with her
parents blessing. Telling her to run on her broken leg, to hurl herself
through the air over and over again, and above all, to make sure she sticks her
landing.
There is another possibility, one that nobody wants to mantion because
it would mess up a neat story. The posibility that she will come out twisting,
spinning vault and land with the grotesque impact that would make Joe
Theismann's nationally televised broken leg look like a stubbed toe by
comparison. If she sits out the Olympics, Dominique Moceanu would be
heartbroken. And she would cry.
But we could all handle those tears alot more readily than the ones she
might end up shedding otherwise.


Michele

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