GYMN-L Digest - 8 Mar 1996 to 9 Mar 1996

There are 18 messages totalling 410 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

1. IG in bookstores
2. Chusovitina's floor (5)
3. alt.sports.gymnastics
4. elite girls coach
5. American Cup & 3 On 3 Videos
6. IG complaint & US Int'l men
7. NBC & live, Susan
8. Kim Zmeskal (2)
9. <No subject given>
10. Bad news from Athens
11. Trivia Winners (#34)
12. Trivia Answers: Non Eastern-Bloc Gymnasts
13. Trivia: 4th place correction

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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:18:52 CST
From: ***@ADMIN.STEDWARDS.EDU
Subject: IG in bookstores

In Texas, specifically Austin, I've seen IG for sale at Bookstop and Barnes ands
Noble bookstores, as well as the University Co-Op near the UT campus.


Cole

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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:26:48 CDT
From: ***@PROCTR.CBA.UA.EDU
Subject: Chusovitina's floor

A few people have been talking about Chusovitina's floor at the
American Cup being scored too low-9.587. I believe her start value
was only out of a 9.90. All that difficulty for that.

(Chusovitina-E=.2, full-out-E=.2,<although you can only count .3 for
extra D,E> front-full punch brani-C+B=.1, front-full punch front-.1
9.40 + .2 +.1(E sub for D)+.1 + .1=9.90 Start value.

Her punch brani was low with a hop to the side, possibly .2 in
deductions and her last pass, she kind of took a step after her punch
front, looked kind of like a cover, maybe another .1?!?!?

She lacked another .1 in combination. I think her leap combinations
are weak. She could put it in there.

Shawn
***************ROLL TIDE ROLL***************

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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:31:09 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: alt.sports.gymnastics

For all of you AOL'ers out there, I noticed that the newsgroup
alt.sports.gymnastics finally got added. There were only three messages on
it, so maybe you all can help it out!

Kris
I'd still rather watch J.R. undress........... ;)

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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 12:54:31 -0500
From: ***@SCRANTON.COM
Subject: elite girls coach

if there are anyelite girls coaches out there, i was wondering if you
couuld email me privatly. thanks donny

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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 13:08:23 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: American Cup & 3 On 3 Videos

For those of you who missed seeing the routines of great gymnasts (Tousek,
etc) USA Gymnastics will have videos of these two events.

The videos were shot on Hi-8 format from good locations in the arenas. These
videos will show EVERY gymnast who competed. The quality of the footage is
about double what it used to be coming from USAG!
Also availible will be training tapes for women (Am. Cup and 3 on 3) and RSG
(at the 3 on 3).

If you would like to order some of these tapes, call USAG at1-800-4USA-GYM.
They will be availible the first week in April.

Feel free to call me with questions. I cannot take orders but I can answer
about any video related question.

Dawn

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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:13:01 -0500
From: ***@GNATNET.NET
Subject: Re: Chusovitina's floor

Unless I am way off, I believe you made several errors in reporting the
values of certain elements.
Shawn Allen wrote:
>
> A few people have been talking about Chusovitina's floor at the
> American Cup being scored too low-9.587. I believe her start value
> was only out of a 9.90. All that difficulty for that.
>
> (Chusovitina-E=.2, full-out-E=.2,<although you can only count .3 for
> extra D,E> a full-out on floor is a D, besides, i thought she did a halfin
half out

>front-full punch brani-C+B=.1, a layout front-full is a D, and it would make a
lot of sense, following
that logic, if a layout barani were a C

>front-full punch front-.1
> 9.40 + .2 +.1(E sub for D)+.1 + .1=9.90 Start value.

well, that would give her her entire .3 in difficuly bonus and her
entire .3 in combination bonus with a D+C and a D+A
I thought that the start value was 9.9 because they did not give her
credit for her front full layout barani combo, but then again, if i am
right about the .2 combo bonus for that combo, that would have made her
start value a 9.8, unless she did some kind of leap combo for bonus that
I didn't notice. Anyway, it's safe to say, I'm not sure how her start
value was figured!
Kerry
>
> Her punch brani was low with a hop to the side, possibly .2 in
> deductions and her last pass, she kind of took a step after her punch
> front, looked kind of like a cover, maybe another .1?!?!?
>
> She lacked another .1 in combination. I think her leap combinations
> are weak. She could put it in there.
>
> Shawn
> ***************ROLL TIDE ROLL***************

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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:39:08 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: IG complaint & US Int'l men

You left off several non NCAA men, including, but not limited to, Chris
Waller, Scott Keswick, Chainey Umphrey, Steve McCain, Jair Lynch, Josh Stein,
John R., Rob Kieffer, Bill Roth, Paul O'Neil, Mark Sohn and Jarrod Hanks.
Actually, looking at this list, I think the opposite is true. Not that I
don't think that NCAA shouldn't get covered. But, maybe this is their
reasoning for not covering it.

Maybe you meant guys who never participated in NCAA? If that's the case it's
only a few guys.

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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:39:23 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: NBC & live, Susan

I know NBC and the networks *plan* every minute on a live broadcast and
schedule what goes when. But, planning and reality don't always meet eye to
eye. You should know that since you worked for NBC.

The Canadian girl was *suppose* to get held until after John's segment. But
for some reason she didn't. Which points out my point exactly that things
don't always go as planned. Same is true with someone's comment about the
girls' or guys' standings not being displayed. They didn't mean for that to
happen, but the scores just weren't available by the time they wanted them
aired. Live broadcasts are extremely hectic and probably not that enjoyable
for the workers. I'm sure they too for the most part would rather tape it.

I still don't have an answer as to why they spent so much time on Dominique.
Anyone have any inside scoop? Was it to purposely put Shannon in the shadow
or what?

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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:21:51 CDT
From: ***@PROCTR.CBA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Chusovitina's floor

I have gotten several responses to my explanation, that I tried to
figure up anyway, on Chuso's floor score.
I guess I made a mistake, I don't know, but I thought that the layout
front full had been devalued to a C(and the Rudi to a D).
Looked like to me that she did a front full punch front pike w/
1/2 (brani), which is a B in the Code.(C+B=.1)?!?!?!?
So, sorry if my stab was incorrect.

Shawn
***************ROLL TIDE ROLL***************

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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 12:21:11 -0800
From: ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: Kim Zmeskal

Someone said that Kim will be making her
decision as to her continuing her comback in mid March. Is this true?
Has anyone heard anything? That's really odd if it is true because a
friend of mine said that they saw her at the McDonalds Spectacular just
a few weeks ago and that she sounded really positive on her comeback.
Are you sure that she said this?
Someone e-mail me!!!!
Laura

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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:22:33 -0500
From: ***@YALE.EDU
Subject: Re: Chusovitina's floor

> I have gotten several responses to my explanation, that I tried to
> figure up anyway, on Chuso's floor score.
> I guess I made a mistake, I don't know, but I thought that the layout
> front full had been devalued to a C(and the Rudi to a D).
> Looked like to me that she did a front full punch front pike w/
> 1/2 (brani), which is a B in the Code.(C+B=.1)?!?!?!?
> So, sorry if my stab was incorrect.

The rudi was devalued to D, but the front full didn't go with it to a C, so
they're both D's. So she had an E and 3 D's in her tumbling. She gets
the full 0.3 for extra D/E. The question is the combinations. Whatever
it was she did after the first front full doesn't matter if she had
enough deductions that she couldn't get bonus. That leaves the last pass
of front-full punch front, which as D+A gets 0.2. 9.4 + 0.3 + 0.2 =
9.90. Voila. (This is one explanation, anyway -- I don't remember the
routine clearly enough to be sure, so I'm assuming this is how it went,
not that she did get bonus but was missing a special requirement or
something.)

:)
Adriana

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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 16:38:57 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: <No subject given>

This on going conversation about Oksana's score has me glad I became a
chemist instead of a gymnastics judge. How DO you keep this stuff straight??!!?



Jeff

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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 18:02:41 EST
From: ***@MUSIC.CC.UGA.EDU
Subject: Bad news from Athens

As some of you may have heard, Georgia freshman Karin Lichey has
been diagnosed as having two stress fractures in her back. She will be
out of competition for at least two weeks and will miss the last home
meet of her incredible freshman year. The newspaper article said that
hers was a common gymnastics injury. The same article said that Lori
Strong has a stress fracture in her back as well, but she competes
anyway. Is this dangerous?

Also, did anybody catch the little article about Lichey's 40.0 in
this week's Sports Illustrated? It's in the Scorecard section. It
comments on her perfect score against Kentucky and then her fall to
earth against Alabama. A pretty good little piece, but IMHO not what
she deserves. Biased judges or not, she did accomplish an NCAA first.

Paul

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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 20:33:27 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Trivia Winners (#34)

Da ta ta da . . . . [drum roll}

The winners of Trivia Quiz #34, Non Eastern Bloc Gymnasts
are:

First Prize - Book - "Feel No Fear" by Bela Karolyi won by:

Jennifer (10.0 points out of 10.0) tiebreak
submitted entry Mar 6, 1996 1:06 AM EST
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Second Prize - Book - "Dare To Dream" by Tim Daggett won by:

Armin (10.0 points out of 10.0) submitted
entry Mar 7, 1996 9:27 AM EST

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Other top finishers:
3. Chloe (9.0 points)
4. Adriana (8.0 points)
5. Christopher tiebreak submitted Mar 5, 1996
10:17 PM EST

Other entrants may e-mail me for their results!

Jennifer and Armin, please e-mail me your mailing addresses.

A complete list is answers has been posted separately.

Hope you had fun!

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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 20:34:30 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Trivia Answers: Non Eastern-Bloc Gymnasts

Here are the trivia answers. The winner's list is posted in a separate
message. Thanks to all who participated, and to Rachele and Debbie who
provided the prizes!

Thanks for questions to:
1. Jeff
2. ***@aol.com
3. ***@aol.com
4. Cara
5. PJ!
6. Amy
7. Amy

1. Which gymnast in the 1984 Olympics missed her foot on a RO double tuck
beam dismount in the AA around and had to withdraw due to injury?

Elke Heine, Federal Republic of Germany

2. Who was the only Western woman to win an individual medal in the 1986
Goodwill Games?

Joyce Wilborn, USA

3. Name the first Western woman to win a gold medal at the World
Championships. For a bonus point, name the competition and year.

Marcia Frederick, USA 1978 Strasbourg World Championships

4. How many Olympic gold medals did Mary Lou Retton win?

One

5. Who says Japanese girls don't belong in World Beam Finals? She proved
them wrong in 1989.

Miho Shinoda.

6. On which two events has Curtis Hibbert won World Championship medals?
For a bonus point, what country does he represent?

High Bar and Vault, Canada

7. This gymnast is responsible for winning Puerto Rico's first world
championship medal. Name him/her. For a bonus point, name the year and
event on which the medal was won.

Victor Colon, 1992 Paris Worlds Vault

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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 22:43:16 -0500
From: ***@GNATNET.NET
Subject: Re: Chusovitina's floor

Do any of you judges out there know if a Rudi has been devalued under
the current code of points? I hadn't heard about that.
I know that Chus was SUPPOSED to throw a layout barani, I don't recall
how laid out or piked it actually was.
Kerry

>
> I thought that the Rudi had been devalued to a D and the layout front
> full was devalued to a C. Oh well. And it looked to me like she did
> a front pike 1/2(brani) which is a B, instead of a front layout 1/2.
> ***************ROLL TIDE ROLL***************

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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 22:45:13 -0500
From: ***@GNATNET.NET
Subject: Re: Kim Zmeskal

In a recent article in the Houston Chronicle (THANKS JOE!), it was
reported that Kim will make her final decision about whether or not to
continue with her comeback in mid-March.
Kerry

>
> Someone said that Kim will be making her
> decision as to her continuing her comback in mid March. Is this true?
> Has anyone heard anything? That's really odd if it is true because a
> friend of mine said that they saw her at the McDonalds Spectacular just
> a few weeks ago and that she sounded really positive on her comeback.
> Are you sure that she said this?
> Someone e-mail me!!!!
> Laura

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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 23:37:16 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Trivia: 4th place correction

One quick correction.

4. Ellen (Ellen32672@aol.com) tiebreak submitted Mar 7, 1996 11:27 PM EST
(8.0 points out of 10.0)

5. Adriana
6. Chris

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