GYMN-L Digest - 9 Jun 1996 - Special issue
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are 18 messages totalling 619 lines in this
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Topics in this special issue:
1. Nationals (yes, more comments!)
2. WAG: German Nationals (2)
3. Nationals Comments
4. <No subject given>
5. Gym statue in Chicago June 14
6. Nationals were great
7. Shannon Miller at Nationals
8. GYMN-L Digest - 8 Jun 1996 - Special
issue
9. WAG: NATIONALS, EVENT
FINALS (SPOLIERS)
10. The
national championships
11.
NATIONALS: SHANNON's BB.
12. Nunno
13.
Women's US Natls
14. Nationals (a little long)
15. GYMN-L Digest - 8 Jun 1996 to 9 Jun
1996
16. Event Finals
17. Kip Simons
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 06:12:37
-0400
From: ***@ISMI.NET
Subject:
Nationals (yes, more comments!)
Hey all!
Well, I tried to sit
back and keep my mouth shut but after watching
nationals
again I just have to put my two cents in.
For starters, the
compulsery
scores for the top 3 women were outstanding, and the next four
weren't bad either, but they seemed to have one or two low
scores each. If
we can clean up our form during comp. then
our chance for team gold will be
greatly
increased. Next, I am so happy for
Shannon, she is finally on her
way back up, and is
definately a contender for gold in Atlanta. I also
believe
that Dawes and possibly Phelps could medal in Atlanta, however
Phelps would
definately be a long shot. As for Dom. Moc., well, she's
human, and she
does make mistakes. However, if she
does this in Atlanta
Jaycie will probally capitalize and make AA finals, and Dom. will be
left
out.
She really didn't perform that badly, so I am now really doubting
if
she will even make AA finals in Atlanta. Dom. Dawes had a great day, and
the U.S. could possibly take 2 or the 3 medals in the AA in
Atlanta.
Shannon's beam was great, however I think that it was a bit overscored, her
first wobble
should have been an one tenth deduction, and her front somi
break should have cost her atleast
1.5, more likely 2, she also fell.
At
best she should have scored a 9.25, and
normally my guess at the scores are
always 1 or 2
tenths under the actual scores.
Shannon's floor was great,
her double
layout could use some work though.
Other than that, it was
great, it works so
well for her, and I love the finishing pose.
I am slowly becoming a
big fan of Jaycie. I can't believe how great she has
become, I would love for her to win Trails, and I really
believe she could
medal in Atlanta, especially on
bars.
I will try to wrap this up but first I must speak on Strug, after all, she
is my
favorite. I was so excited to
finally see her get the coverage she
deserved. They never seem to show all of her
routines, so that alone made
me very happy. Her 2nd vault was great, and I would
really like to know
what her second vault in
finals was, does anyone know? Her
bars was great
also, but she need to get different
transition moves from high to low
because those
just don't look right on her. She
dumps over the low bar and
really needs to either
hit handstands or be orginal. I love her gymnastics
and hate criticizing her but in order for her to possibly
get a medal in
Atlanta the form must be cleaned up. Her beam was definately
a missed
routine, but again I say, she's
human. However I have never seen
someone
miss a front on like that, I am very glad
that she wasn't injured. Her form
here could also
use a little work but if she hits at trials I believe a big
score with be given.
Her floor is still the best we have to offer, and her
front-full, front-full combo just blew me away. If she can make finals in
Atlanta
she could definately medal, possibly even gold. She has the dance
and
tumbling skills, I think her biggest challange will
be making finals.
Since only two people from each country can make each
event, she could be in
trouble. However I really
hope that she makes it, she deserves her chance to
shine. GO KERRI!
Well, I guess I have said
enough, if you have comments, good or bad, to make
feel
free to e-mail me at dean@ismi.net, I always respect others opinions.
Thanks
for the ear!
DEAN
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 07:36:22
-0400
From: ***@IC.AC.UK
Subject:
WAG: German Nationals
German Nationals (Womens
Artistic) 1996
=======================================
Langenhagen, Germany
8-9th June, 1996
All-Around
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1. Kathleen Stark 76.325
2. Cindy Klemrath 75.312
3. Anke Werries
73.662
4. Cornelia Trost 72.587
5. Kim Buhlow 71.062
Event
Finals
------------
Horse Vault
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1. Kathleen Stark 9.575
2. Cindy Klemrath 9.462
3. Gritt
Hofmann
9.212
4. Kim Buhlow
8.925
5. Angelika Schatton
8.750
6. Linda
Muller
8.625
Uneven Bars
-----------
1. Kathleen Stark 9.850
2. Anke Werries
9.550
3. Cindy Klemrath 9.275
4. Cornelia Trost 9.200
5. Angelika Schatton 9.100
6. Kim Buhlow
8.975
Balance Beam
------------
1. Kathleen Stark 9.600
=2.
Gritt Hofmann
9.000
=2. Linda Muller
9.000
4. Ruscha Kouril
8.850
5. Cindy Klemrath 8.500
6. Cornelia Trost 8.200
Floor
Exercise
--------------
1. Kathleen stark 9.400
=2.
Anke Werries 9.150
=2. Gritt
Hofmann
9.150
4. Cindy Klemrath 9.100
=5.
Kim Buhlow
8.400
=5. Cornelia Trost 8.400
A
clean sweep for the veteran Kathleen Stark who was one or two classes
above all the youngsters around her. However this year's
competition
was missing some big names such as
Julia Stratmann, Rufina Kreibich
and last year's
champion Yvonne Pioch. Pioch
was doing a bit of TV
commentary instead. Before
the start of the meet Yvonne was showing
the
cameras some of her glamour shots as a model, maybe the German
media is trying to turn her into another Magdalena Brzeska.
Sherwin
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 08:02:27
-0400
From: ***@CYKICK.ECLIPSE.NET
Subject:
Nationals Comments
For once, both of us watched the tape on the same
day! :-)
Here are some random
comments (Keep in mind we haven't had the chance to
watch
much gymn this season.)...
1. We thought Tesh wasn't as syrupy as he's been in the past; although some
of the
repetitive remarks began to grate towards the end. I thought Elfi
was doing a pretty good job of reminding him there was
COMPETITION to
cover.
2. We're glad Jennifer
brought up the observation about miking the
coaches,
as we noticed it as well. Personally, we think this "miking" is becoming a
double-edged
sword. ABC first did it in 1984
with Bela, but I don't think
you
could hear his voice throughout Mary Lou's routines - just
before/after.
Besides, you have to admit that Bela's
(usually) pretty
entertaining to listen to. Although it might be interesting to hear
what
goes through the coaches mind as the athlete
performs a routine, we found
it pretty distracting
at times. (Besides, remember the
commentators
pointed out that the athlete doesn't
hear it anyway.) Think about it:
3
commentators, coach on mike, AND floor exercise
music at the same time (or
close to it). That's a lot of noise to sort
through.
3. Was David Michaels running the show for NBC this time? The tape ran out
before
the credits - assuming they rolled at all.
4. Having asked Questions 3 and
4, I'll post this one from Ken (he's the
one with
normal hearing in two ears): How come the floor exercise music
sounded clearer when OTHER events were being shown than when
floor exercise
routines were telecast? The sound quality on FX wasn't as bad as
last
year, but it was still hard to hear the music
on some of the routines.
(The reason I posted Question 3 was that my
comments about sound last year
were answered less
than pleasantly.)
5. For all our complaining about "fluff"
pieces, notice that there was ONLY
ONE - and I think the feature on Jaycie Phelps was one of the best I've
ever seen from NBC.
6. The competition? Oh, that... :-) It's really nice to see the
maturation of Miller/Dawes/Borden/Strug. Miller's/Dawes' FX were truly
impressive, but I couldn't help but think Dom. is taking a
cue from Mary
Lou's book in the music department. Dawes' UB was awesome. Jaycie
Phelps
is becoming quite impressive. All in all, it looks like we've got
an
exciting Olympic Trials to look forward
to.
Helena
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 16:39:30
UT
From: ***@MSN.COM
Subject:
<No subject given>
Hi,
I would really appreciate if
someone could give me a list of www sites and net
resources
on gymnastics and GRS.
Please e-mail me privately: ***@msn.com
Many
thanks.
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 10:26:05
EDT
From: ***@COMPUSERVE.COM
Subject:
Gym statue in Chicago June 14
Hello all,
A press release
states that Richard McDonald's 24-foot tall statue, the Flair,
will be unveiled in Chicago, Illinois, at the Daley Plaza on
Friday, June 14
followed by a gymnastics
performance.
The statue, which features a male gymnast doing scissors
on pommel horse,
lands
in Chicago June 14 to
celebrate the 1996 Summer Games in Atlanta. The free
unveiling
ceremony is downtown at the Daley Plaza at 8 am followed by a
gymnastics performance at 9:30.
Hope to see fellow
Chicago gym enthusiasts there!
Dana
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 11:31:48
-0700
From: ***@INTERNETWORK.NET
Subject:
Nationals were great
Hiya!
Domonique Dawes did great. After what happened in warm-ups she
boomed. It's the
old Domonique.
Jaycie Phelps was great only one
hundredth of a point Jenny thompson
her beam routine was phenominal.
Shannon was
great she is the most decorated gymnast.
Kerri had a little
trouble. Moceanu she
did OK but she didn't do to well.
What hapened to
Kristy Powell on beam was
so freaky at least she stayed on the beam.
Her
floor routine was great. Amanda Bordon
is back and doing great.
Alyson
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 09:47:35
-0700
From: ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject:
Re: WAG: German Nationals
> German Nationals (Womens
Artistic) 1996
> =======================================
>
>
Balance Beam
> ------------
>
> 4. Ruscha Kouril
8.850
This is strange, since Kouril
represented Austria at last month's Euros
(although
she used to compete for GER in the early 1990s...). Does anyone
know
what's up -- does she still compete for AUT, or can she represent
GER
again?
Debbie :-)
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 12:56:07
-0400
From: ***@WCHAT.ON.CA
Subject:
Shannon Miller at Nationals
Not to take away from the beautiful
gymnastics that Shannon Miller is
capable of, BUT
does anyone else think that a 9.3 for her beam was too high?
She fell which
is an automatic .5 deduction plus a possible .3 for the punch
front and then a .1 for the handspring 1/4 turn, plus she
did take a tiny
step on her dismount. I'm not a judge, however I still don't
think she
deserved the score that she got. Anyone else with me on
this one?
Vicki
========
Carlo
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 13:30:15
-0400
From: ***@MINDSPRING.COM
Subject:
Re: GYMN-L Digest - 8 Jun 1996 - Special issue
Well, I just had to
throw in my 2-cents about the Nationals.
Miller - Whether you like her
style or not, she constantly shows that
she's a
champion's champion (remember the age now). Although I don't
know why she fell - probably distracted by Nunno's mouth.
Dawes - feeling the stress every
minute EXCEPT during the competition it
appears.
She could be one of the best ever.
Phelps -
Wonderful form and presentation. Good idea not to watch the
scores - hope she can continue doing that.
Moceanu - A sad result of Karolyi.
Him thinking she reminded him of a
young Nadia is
one thing -him pushing her to be that has taken the
twinkle
out of her eye. I like her. Don't like her style (although she
can get away with some cute stuff in her choreography that
no one else
can) - I've never been a fan of the
power approach, like Rettin - I
rooted for McNamara.
Borden - I was THRILLED. I'm
sure there are a hundred technical reasons
why I'm
wrong, but I'd rather watch Amanda than anyone else (going all
the way back to Korbut).
P.S.
Anyone know if the Trials are going to be on NBC?
--
--- Jeff
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 12:47:48
-0600
From: Jeffrey
Ruell <jeff@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject:
WAG: NATIONALS, EVENT FINALS (SPOLIERS)
IF you don't want to know,
then kill this message now!
-Okay, that should be enough.
Dominique
Dawes makes US gymnastics history by sweeping event finals! This
makes here the ONLY GYMNAST to ever sweep twice. Miller, Moceanu, Borden
and Phelp (I believe) all withdraw from finals to prevent
further injury.
Dom is just incredible!!
Jeff
Dina,
Dina, Dina.
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 14:02:51
-0400
From: ***@INETNOW.NET
Subject:
The national championships
I feel just awful. I can't believe I missed
those exciting championship
broadcast this
Saturday. I hear they were the best ever. The talk on the
gymn and the gymnastics BB on AOL
is on hot. In fact, people from AOL had to
run in
there with fire extinguishers to put out the fire. :)
First off, I
have to say a GREAT BIG congratulations for Shannon
Miller.
People were saying she was washed up. Yeah right!!!! This girl went
in there
with a sore wrist (one so bad, it was
reported that she might withdraw from
the
competition), fell of the balance beam, and STILL WON THE AA!!! She put
the naysayers to rest once and for all. I can't wait to see
some moe of that
Miller magic.
I was
surprised Dominique Moceanu had some trouble in
Knoxville. Bela
Karolyi
said it was her ankle. Mmmmm. I thought she was ok.
First, they said
it was Sever's
disease, and she couldn't compete or practice heavy. Then
they said it was just a bruised heel, and she was in full
training. Now it's
Sever's disease again, after Bela Karolyi is quoted as saying-
"It was not
the happiest night of my
life....You can imagine, you don't have a foot". I
think
it partly due to her injury (the one we were told was healed and she
was in "great shape") and all of that pressure
that is put on her.
I like
Dominique, myself. I am hoping things work out for the best. She
still won a bronze in the AA. This is NO small acomplishment. I hear people
on
AOL and GYMN (we know who you are) slamming her and criticizing her. It's
not her fault the press decided to make her out to be some
superstar,
miracle worker. I saw people cheering
and gloating that this girl didn't win
the AA
again. Well, personally I am in her corner. Forgive me if I don't
pull out the air sirens and champagne, if she fails in
Boston or Atlanta.
THE BIGGEST CHEER OF ALL GOES TO DOMINIQUE DAWES!!!!!!!
She won ALL 4 gold
medals in the events finals
Saturday. This girl is awesome. That's why they
call
her Awesome Dawesome!!!! She won the gold in the AA
and all the events
in '94, and she won all four
events again in '96. So, she cried a few times
last
week. She showed out Saturday night.
I am going post some Shannon
Miller and Dominique Dawes pics on AOL. They
can be found in the Grandstand - Other sports files section.
It's going to
be part of my national champion
series. We have a lot to celebrate about.
Also there is a gym chat Sunday
nights at 8 pm EST in the Grandstand Arena.
See you AOLers
there!!!!!
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 13:04:55
-0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:
NATIONALS: SHANNON's BB.
Yes, I thought that the score was a little
high considering that there
were a few other
errors besides the fall. Was she scored from a 9.9 or
a
10.0 point start value? I am assuming a 10.0. I was happy that the
scores were alot lower than I
expected for an Olympic year nationals.
It was nice that 9.9 was the high score.
The best moment for me was
watching Dawes's FX. She got so much power, and
I like the double layout
over the combination tumbling. The scariest moments
were
Strug's BB mount and Moceanu's
vault. It looked like, too me, that her
pony tail
almost hit the vault when she somersaulting. She got no distance
and I think she needs more, not just for a better score, but
for safety!
Jeff
Dina, Dina, Dina.
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 13:29:17
-0500
From: ***@CARLETON.EDU
Subject:
Nunno
Was anyone else a little disgusted by
Steve Nunno shouting
"go baby" or
other phrases involving the
word baby during the competition. I
began to
think he sounded like a man watching a
stripper or something. It just
really bothered me.
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 14:54:15
-0400
From: ***@FREENET.BUFFALO.EDU
Subject:
Women's US Natls
Oh the frustrations! I had my vcr all set up to tap. It got thru
Shannon's beam and the
Amy Chow commercial, but then my sister walked
into
the room and stopped the tape without me knowing!
I need to get a copy
desperately, but I can't give out my address or any
addresses
of family members. Does anyone know
if NBC is selling it? For
how much? Does
anyone have any ideas of what I could do to get this
tape? Did they show the juniors, or will
that be today.
While I'm at it, can someone mail me the web address
for the gymn page?
I want to add it to a list of linx for my new home page......
Please
reply to this in email ASAP!
Thanxs
everybody!
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:00:59
-0400
From: ***@GATEWAY.US.SIDWELL.EDU
Subject:
Nationals (a little long)
Shannon Miller - what can you say? She looks so much improved. The
vaults
were awesome (both of them, but especially the Yurchenko
1.5), and
the double layout on floor was great. I really liked seeing her upgrade
all her routines, even if the new skills weren't absolutely
perfect (the
double layouts on bars & floor,
the punch front on beam). Over the hill?
I
think not.
Jaycie
Phelps - I've loved this gymnast since I saw her at camp in 1994.
She's
always had such clean lines and great form, so I was *really* happy
to see her do well here. What was Tesh
talking about, "compared to the
other
athletes she has very limited experience" and referring to her as a
"young upstart?"
I mean, at least she has two (now 3) senior nationals
and 3 world championships, more than Moceanu
(two senior nationals and 1
world
championships). And the double
front on floor is just sooooo cool,
but I don't think the music really suits her. At least it doesn't have a
title with "Georgia" in it, unlike...
Dominique
Moceanu - hmm, if she wants to take some pressure off
herself,
how about not writing an autobiography
calling herself "An American
Champion?" I'm not a real Moceanu
fan, but I still hope she doesn't do a
Zmeskal at the Olympics. And if Moceanu
can figure out a way to avoid
the
stand-on-the-low-bar transition (she does a Shaposnikova),
anyone can.
Glad to see Dominique Dawes finding some mental toughness
to really kick
butt in optionals
(the Hindorf on bars was unbelievable!) I was also
happy
to see Amanda Borden back and doing well -- she's definitely one of
the people I want on the Olympic team, just because she
seems like such a
nice person (and her gymnastics
isn't too bad either :). I loved
her
genuinely happy expressions for Jaycie. And
Kerri Strug's 1.5 Yurchenko
was great, but do you think we'll still see the punch front
beam mount at
Trials?
Other notes: OK, I really hate the
choreography of both Karolyi girls
(Strug and Moceanu). Moceanu can
*almost* get away with it because she's
so young
and also because she has a really outgoing personality, but Strug
is 18 years old and seems a little shy! I want to see her dance, not
shake her butt.
The mikes got kind of annoying, especially on Mary Lee
Tracy, who talked through all her gymnasts' routines. It's fine that she
does that, I just don't want to hear it. I agree with Megan that Steve's
"baby"'s were pretty
annoying.
OK, I'll shut up now :).
Lisa
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 13:44:18
-0600
From: ***@CC.USU.EDU
Subject:
Re: GYMN-L Digest - 8 Jun 1996 to 9 Jun 1996
I missed the televised
gymnastics meet yestersay (Sat.) because I
attended a gradustion commencement
of some friends and forgot to
record it. Can someone please make a copy of the
tape for me and
I'll pay for the tape and s/h cost. Thank you.
Isaac
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 13:42:53
-0600
From: ***@SUPERNET.AB.CA
Subject:
Event Finals
When do we get to see Event Finals?
Kel
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 16:08:51
-0400
From: ***@FREENET.BUFFALO.EDU
Subject:
Kip Simons
I was just watching the US mens
coverage on TV, and I thought that the
worst part
about it was that, of the routines I watched, Bill Roth (who
finished 16th and won't even go to trials) was featured and
Kip Simons
(my favorite US mens
gymnast along with teammate Blaine Wilson) was not
shown. I didn't see all of the coverage, but as
far as I could tell his
name wasn't even
mentioned.
To me this shows that something is happening that shouldn't
be. NBC
didn't
even show the men on the bubble that ended up making trials, and
the 5-6-7 competitors were all but forgotten in the
excitement of the
Roth pommel horse dilemma.
On
a brighter note, I thought it was pretty cool to show the wives of
some of the competitors (some of which I believe are on this
list). Nice
to
put some faces to names :).....
I also thought that Blaine and John
seemed to be pretty good friends.
It
was really nice to seem them act almost
like brothers during the
interview. John has been known to be a little tense
during competition
(I think it was 91 ntls) but he
seemed pretty loose today....
Congradulations
to all the mens competitors who made the team,
and
condolenses to those
who didn't, especially Bill roth. Does anyone know
what
happened to his arms? In the
background you could hear him saying
that he couldn't
feel them.....
Gymn Gymn
Gymn Gymn Gymn
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