GYMN-L Digest - 8 Jul 1996 to 9 Jul 1996

There are 18 messages totalling 435 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

1. GYMN-L Digest - 7 Jul 1996 - Special issue
2. Spring
3. Associated Press Stories
4. American Cup 1996
5. ALISA BLOWS
6. Moceanu doesn't drink coke?
7. Commentators
8. Womens Euros and other stuff...
9. Moceanu's injury
10. vault start values
11. Rythmic Gymnastics
12. Olympics Tickets!!!
13. How to Unsubscribe/Switch Formats (GYMN Admin)
14. response to RSG questions and reports
15. RSG on TV
16. RSG group questions
17. Tickets Wanted!!!
18. WAG predictions

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Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 20:29:39 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 7 Jul 1996 - Special issue

In a message dated 96-07-08 15:33:34 EDT, you write:

<<
The vault and beam results looked right. But on floor, again, how in the
world was Podkopayeva better than Kochetkova?

I saw it as: 1) Kochetkova, 2) Milosovichi, 3) Podkopayeva. Seriously, was
Kochetkova judged out of a 9.9? I mean, Pod messed up slightly on three out
of four landings and Kochetkova was absolutely beautiful.

Is Podkopayeva the new Cinderella that can do no wrong?

Eaffie >>
What are you completely against Podkopayeva,? Yes, I agree with you on bars,
but some judges don't see from our point of view. And on floor I thought
Kochetkova's floor was simply not vibrant and was boring she didn't have all
the combined elements of tumbling and dance and even the commentators thought
that she should win

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Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 20:48:00 EDT
From: ***@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Subject: Spring

In the line of talking about springy gymnasts, I forgot who started it,
but while Moceanu and Chusovitina are both really springy, I'd have to
put a few gymnasts above them in the spring category: Zmeskal, Brandy
Johnson, and Cristina Bontas. They all had real spring, but I view
Bontas and Chuso as having more solid spring and the other three as
having bounce. Also, we need to be careful about the weight issues--I
don't think Mirgordskaya was overweight (no gymnast is) at worlds, and
if she is slimmer now, I don't think that is the reason her gymnastics
is improved. It doesn't affect me too much but in teh past I've
struggled with problems like this. And it was much publicized how at
1989 World Trials the commentators first said that Christy Henrich
"slimmed down and looks great." We've just gotta be really careful for
the young gymnasts' sakes.

:) Joy

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Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 21:37:23 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Associated Press Stories

Hi everyone!

I found a couple very short but interesting stories on the Prodigy Associated
Press Online service. I'm sorry -- I don't know how to access it over the
internet.

1) AP surveyed "sports editors, columnists, writers, sportcasters and
commentators" to find out which sports they think should be dropped from the
Summer Olympics and which should be added. Rhythmic gymnastics was the 3rd
least popular sport -- 57% of those surveyed said it should be dropped. The
least favorite was sailboarding (69% for dropping it), 63% wanted to drop
synchronized swimming and 53% didn't like beach volleyball. 42% said they
wanted golf added to the schedule! After all, there isn't enough golf on
already.(sarcasm)

2) The Romanian team left Bucharest Sunday for Atlanta. There are a couple
quotes in the short article. Milosovici says, "We leave with big thoughts,
both for the team and individuals." Gogean says, "We want to get as many
medals as possible."
I'M SHOCKED!! :-)

Also, All Around Magazine said today that Ivan Ivankov tore his tendon while
training in North Carolina. He'll be going back to Belarus and won't be in
the Olympics. That's really too bad, and a loss for Belarus. I personally
was looking forward to seeing him dual with Scherbo. Oh well.

See ya!
-- Tammy

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Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 21:50:10 -0400
From: ***@KENT.NET
Subject: American Cup 1996

Was the 1996 American Cup televised? If anyone has a tape
of it, could they please contact me? Yvonne Tousek, my
favourite gymnast, won the silver medal, apparently, and
I would love to see it on tape. I will pay for a copy and postage
or I could try to copy it myself if you sent me the tape.

Please help!

Jordynn

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Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 22:04:13 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: ALISA BLOWS

ALisa,

First of all I dont appreciate you bashing me and publicizing my personal
comments to you on the digest which were untrue anyway. First of all, the
whole reason this argument began was from you misquoting me and twisting my
opinions around. I am sorry to waste everyones time for writing this but I
thought I had to defend myself from this pirana.

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Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 22:17:58 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Moceanu doesn't drink coke?

hi,
Well, this is sort of a tangent to the subject of gymnastics, but according
to a blurb in the Detroit Free Press yesterday, Dominique Moceanu claims to
never have drinken a Coke. Funny, I thought someone posted on here that she
drank about 5 during nationals. Oh well,
~Liz

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Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 22:24:56 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Commentators

Okay, since no one has really said what they thought about the commentator
comparison, I will tell y'all what I think. My favorite is Kathy Johnson.
She just seems nice and excited about the sport and usually has interesting
things to say. I just basically laugh at Tim Dagget for the one-liners he
constatly pulls out (ie "in a bucket on the landing!") Bart's pretty good. I
personally think it's kinda cool that a pretty famous non-gymnastics person,
John Tesh, knows so much about the sport. And I think he really does, too.
He has said some background information about gymnasts kinda off-handedly,
not like anyone had propted him. But I got annoyed with the whole "go and
no-go zone" that he repeated every 5 seconds during trials.
Anyway, none of this was bashing, because way down deep, I love all
commentators the same. (AWWW...)
~Liz

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Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 22:46:38 -0400
From: ***@KENT.NET
Subject: Re: Womens Euros and other stuff...

>
>>I'm so glad I got to see Dina K.'s sleepwalking FX performance AGAIN rather
>>than Joana Juarez's lyrical spanish performance. My favorite part of Dinas
>>FX is right before her last pass when the music is going crazy and she is
>>staring blankly into space. You can't teach that.
>
>It was also great to see all of Boguinskaya's routines in event
>finals. I, for one, did not miss seeing Marinescu's beam at all, even
>if she did medal.
>
Jordynn

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Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 22:00:56 -0500
From: ***@LULU.ACNS.NWU.EDU
Subject: Re: Moceanu's injury

Hi everyone!

I've been watching this story transpire over the past two weeks or so, and
I'm a little worried about her condition, namely because I've had a stress
fracture, myself, in my left shin, and I'm still healing. I must say it's
one of the more painful and irritating overuse injuries that I have
experienced, but I also must say that I am still healing even now, and the
initial fracture happened when I was a senior in high school four years ago.

Guys, I don't know how many of you might have suffered from stress
fractures, but based on my encounter, I think there's kind of a huge
possibility that she won't be able to compete. A bone is a bone, you can't
really trick it by taking tons of vitamins and attaching extra electrodes
(we tried all of that with me). The other thing that could happen is that,
if she resumes training too early, not only will she impair the natural
healing process, but she'll also run the risk of suffering from an actual
fracture. And THAT would be a really bad scene. (BTW, my father is a
radiologist; I didn't want you all to think that I was randomly flinging out
unsubstatiated bits of knowlege :)

Anyway, I just wondered what all of you thought about the possibilty of her
not competing. Maybe she should wait along with Katie Teft and Jenny
Thompson-- rather than try to jump back too early and risk injuring her self
to the point of no return.

Just my $0.02

:)

--Meighan

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Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 23:01:32 -0400
From: ***@KENT.NET
Subject: vault start values

What is the start value for a yurchenko half front layout? Is there
another name for this vault?

Thanks

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Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 23:05:46 -0400
From: ***@KENT.NET
Subject: Re: Rythmic Gymnastics

>Do rythmic gymnasts do any tumbling in their routines? If they don't it
>would seem pretty boring(no offense or anything to all those rythmic gymnasts
>out there) to me.
>
>BTW, what do IMO and IMHO stand for?
>
>Andrew~
>
I'm no expert, but rythmic gymnasts don't really do much tumbling in the
artistic gymnastic style. They do perform elements
where they throw the ball/hoop/clubs/ribbon into
the air, and then do two or three elements before
catching it. i.e. rolls, illusion turns, etc.
I like to watch rythmic gymnastics because
of the incredible flexibility which most of them have. As well, the dance
aspect is stressed a lot more than in artistic gymnastics.


IMO stands for "in my opinion".
IMHO stands for "in my humble opinion".

Jordynn

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Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 21:46:29 -0700
From: ***@VCN.BC.CA
Subject: Olympics Tickets!!!

Hi! Everyone,

As of yesterday I have decided to abandon my trip to see the O-Games, so
now I got one ticket to each women's podium training session (total two
tickets). They are the highest price ticket there is for podium train, I
imagine must be very good seat. If someone is interested please e-mail me
privately, all I ask is a couple rolls of good pictures in return. You
must contact me asap, time is running out very quick.

Go! Amanda!
Thomas

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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 01:52:28 +0000
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject: How to Unsubscribe/Switch Formats (GYMN Admin)

PLEASE send responses to the predictions survey directly to the poster; do not
send it to Gymn!

Obviously, Gymn's Olympic traffic is already picking up. If you are
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are not already digest) or you can set Gymn to "nomail".

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Then, when you're ready to turn Gymn back on, send a msg as follows:

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Rachele

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Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 20:44:59 +0000
From: ***@ALOHA.NET
Subject: response to RSG questions and reports

Well, I guess being one of the few RSG fans on this list, I felt it
my duty to rise in defense of the sport.....

To Andrew who made a comment about tumbling and RSG....

It is important to remember that just because the word gymnastics
follows the word rhythmic this does not automatically mean that
acrobatics/tumbling should be a key element of the sport. There are
several key differences between artistic and rhythmic. The first and
obvious difference is the apparatus--in artistic the apparatus is
static while in rhythmic the apparatus must be in constant motion.

Tumbling, while spectacular in artistic is NOT ALLOWED in rhythmic.
Only pre-acrobatic elements (e.g. forward/backward rolls, walkover,
chest cartwheels) are allowed providing there is no flight. The
basic gymnastic elements such as pivots, balances, and leaps are also
highly emphasized in rhythmic. Extreme flexibility is another aspect
that separates artistic and rhythmic gymnasts.

Adding the manipulation of apparatus to the above elements completes
the package "so to speak" of this sport. While rhythmic may seem
easy to the spectator--it is important to remember that one of the
aims of gymnastics is to make the performance of elements seem
effortless.

To those media people who participated in that AP poll regarding
which sports should be dropped from the Olympics--shame, SHAME, SHAME
on all of you. One wonders at the depth of knowledge these people
have about the sports they maligned. Beach volleyball certainly was
a surprise--this sport enjoys a large following throughout the world.
Being from Hawaii, I also must defend sailboarding. Synchronized
swimming--another all woman sport(do we see a trend here?)

Just goes to show that the media again tends to forget who they are
supposed to serve.

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Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 20:44:59 +0000
From: ***@ALOHA.NET
Subject: RSG on TV

Hello folks!!!

Just wanted to point out to all gymnastics fans in the US.....

Please remember that although you might think that Olympic gymnastics TV
coverage will end on July 30th--rhythmic coverage begins August 1st.

Here is your chance to get more educated about the sport. According
to official sources, NBC has promised USA Gymnastics that it will
provide increased coverage to rhythmic and will base future coverage
of the sport on the response provided by its viewers.

Please show your support for the sport of gymnastics-be it artistic
or rhythmic. We certainly deserve all the coverage we can get.

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Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 20:44:59 +0000
From: ***@ALOHA.NET
Subject: RSG group questions

Hello Sara,

Here are some answers to your questions regarding the Rhythmic group
competition:

1. Group competition is a competitive discipline in the sport of
rhythmic gymnastics. The sport also has in individual all around
event, individual apparatus finals event, and a team event. The team
event is different from group because it combines the scores of the
routines of three different individual gymnasts-much like the
artistic team event.

In the group competition, each group is comprised of five gymnasts
performing 2 routines-the first with identical apparatus and the
second with 2 different apparatus. In this Olympic year-the first
group discipline involves the use of 5 hoops, and the second using 3
balls and 2 ribbons. The FIG determines which apparatus will be used
during the competition year for groups. Next year, the first
routine will involve the use of 5 balls. The second routine's
apparatus is yet to be identified.

The aim of the group event is to show synchronization among five
gymnasts. It is a very exciting event and much more difficult than
the individual event because each gymnast must be very aware of what
her fellow group members are doing. Apparatus exchanges are also
another spectacular feature of the event.

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Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 01:05:33 -0700
From: ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: Tickets Wanted!!!

Hey everyone--

If anyone has MAG Compulsory Tickets, session 2 for July 20 and event
finals, please let me know!!!

Kris Bagiu

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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 18:48:43 +1000
From: ***@OZEMAIL.COM.AU
Subject: WAG predictions

Women's gymnastics is such a fickle sport. It really depends on being in
the right place at the right time.

Whoever hits on the day will win - it'll be that close.

This could include : Pods, Mo, Miller, Marinescu, Moceanu, Dawes, Amanar,
Khorkina or Kochetkova (in no particular order).

Fingers crossed for one of the Aussie girls to make the top 15!

As for favourites, I don't have a particular favourite at the moment. But
my all time favourite is Daniela Silivas.

Simone

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