GYMN-L Digest - 7 Sep 1995 to 8 Sep 1995
There are 14 messages totalling 773 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. A slightly odd request
2. Gymn-to-skate / Re: Axels
3. Gymnast/figure skater
4. USA World Trials: pre competition
5. OLYMPIC PREVIEW (3)
6. Ilse Roets
7. Olympic Preview Criticism
8. Gymn Guru
9. USA World Team Trials: Men's Compulsories (2)
10. USA World Team Trials: Comments on Men's Compulsories
11. USA World Trials: Women's Compulsories
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 00:36:34 -0400
From: ***@CORNELL.EDU
Subject: A slightly odd request
Can someone out there with a good sound-editing system grab a .WAV
or .AU of some (any) interview with Shannon Miller? Not too much, just a
quick quote, and mail it to me (as a BinHexed, uuencoded, or Mime
attachment). I've got a picture of SM as my Windows wallpaper, and it would
go well with a startup sound from the same person.
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 01:13:17 -0400
From: ***@CAPITALNET.COM
Subject: Re: Gymn-to-skate / Re: Axels
Ilene wrote:
>I used to do something in my fx routine that was a bit like an single axel.
>I'm not sure I remember it right, but here's my best reconstruction. It
>had a one foot, forward-moving take-off and was supposed to be a tucked 1
>1/2 twist in the air with a one foot landing. If I recall right, it was
>_so_ hard to do on the floor in my gymn, but _much_ easier in meets where
>there was usually a spring floor.
If your landing foot is different from the take-off foot, then it's an
"Axel". But if it's tucked, it sounds more like the Garrison (Kelly)
leap.
>Come to think of it, tumbling was also much easier on a spring floor, which
>meant that no one on my team ever got nervous before competing fx.
Yep. Wish I had spring/air floors when I was competing provincial stream
(circa 1980), especially front handspring-front salto combinations. Front
tumbling
looks so easy now.
>I've always wanted to take skating lessons. Perhaps this year. How much
>of your skill do you find transfers from gym to fs?
Gymnastics certainly helps to accelerate the learning of skills in figure
skating. I didn't need any time to determine my spinning/jumping direction
which unfortunately is clockwise -- skating traffic seem to all go counter-
clockwise for no particular reason. I've had a few tirades on rec.skate
about this. Certainly the centering of spins is easy if you have double or
triple turns on beam. Getting more than three rotations in a spin before
bailing takes some getting used to. Landing on one foot (which for me is
the opposite foot from backward acro) is a bit of a kludge to begin with;
but landing solidly and tightly comes from beam and dismount landings.
I find that I don't fall much because of the balance sense. Skating also
seems to require that you hold your arms at about waist-level for control,
which is a lot easier than, say, holding your arms up on beam. Doing
figures is like beam complex, free skating is like tumbling, and ice dancing
is like compulsory floor. ... barrel jumping is like vault ...? ;^)
Actually, now that I've been skating for about a year, I'm anxious to get
back to the gym to do off-ice work and maybe introduce some skating skills
to gymnastics. I'll let you know...
Grace
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 01:13:21 -0400
From: ***@CAPITALNET.COM
Subject: Re: Gymnast/figure skater
Yep. Definitely. Having the kind of flow in movement from figure skating
is a great and rare asset. Continous movement on beam is seldom seen and
most exemplified by the Romanian girls and Svetlana Boguinskaya.
I photograph gymnasts and figure skaters too. I find most shots end up
still, but have some great action shots that I am very satisfied with.
I use Kodak Ektapress 1600 -- it's great film for stopping action and no
distracting flash required.
Thanks for sharing,
Grace
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 07:47:00 MDT
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject: Re: USA World Trials: pre competition
I was asked the following question and thought it best to reply to all of Gymn:
>>Amanda Borden * (Cincinnati) [withdrew due to toe injured at
>Nationals]
>>Kristy Powell * (Colorado Aerials) [withdrew, I think becuase of a sprained
>ankle]
>
>Are Kristy and (in particular) Amanda both definitely competing at Trials?
Sorry, I wasn't clear in the original messages. The above refers to why
they have withdrawn from World Team Trials, not why they had withdrawn from
Nationals. Borden's toe is worse than they thought.
I have not heard of any withdrawals yet on the men's side.
Rachele
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 13:32:06 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: OLYMPIC PREVIEW
You asked for comments, so here they are:
>Subj: OLYMPIC PREVIEW
I think this should be titled "American Olympic Preview." To read this you'd
think there was one country competing at Atlanta.
>
>OKie. Due to popular demand, here is the Olympic Preview I wrote.
>I think, for the most part, it is pretty accurate. I tried to
>frame it like Street and Smith did theirs in 1988, which is what gave
>me the idea in the first place. Enjoy.
>
>START TEXT
> In 1992, expectations for the U.S. Woman's Gymnastics team couldn't
>have been much higher. After coming up with a surprise team silver medal at
>the 1991 World Championships, plus riding the wave of Kim Zmeskal's
>all-around gold, the team was expected to challenge for the team gold.
> They were brought back down to Earth with a somewhat disappointing
>third place bronze medal after Kim Zmeskal fell off compulsory beam and
>several other team members were not at their best.
If you look at the top three teams, expecting the US to finish higher than it
did would have been a miracle or a joke (see Indianapolis in 91). Any not
only that, what you say is not even true. Actually, US team did very well
and hit practically everything. Kim fell off beam, but that was there only
major break in either compulsories or optionals. IMO they were overscored a
lot as well (especially Okino). You can't say they didn't get gold or silver
because they had mistakes, because really they didn't get gold or silver
because they were not the best or second best team in any way.
Dawes can
>be considered not only a threat on every apparatus, but in the all-around
>as well. After finishing a dissapoitning fourth in the all-around at the
>recent US Nationals, she came back to win both the uneven bars and floor
>exercise with sensational routines, showing the mettle of a champion.
You call her bars routine sensational? I cannot think of a routine I dislike
more unless it is Gina Gogean's. At 18 she should have learned how to point
her toes by now. It's boring, slow, choppy, and messy. See all her events.
Although she
>is lacking a 10.0 start value vault, she is among the top US athletes on
Now that the Hristiekeva vault is 9.9, so are Strug and Fontaine unless they
do a 1.5 twist now.
> Borden's Cinncinatti teammate, Jaycie Phelps, 16, has come a long
>way in two years.
>Possessing the form and line of Shannon Miller, and the grace and beauty of
>the great KAthy Johnson, Phelps' gymnastics is consistent, clean and HARD!
"Grace and beauty of the great Kathy Johnson?" Her gymnastics is not
particularly beautiful, and if it were, Kathy Johnson would not come to mind
unless I was trying hard to think of an AMERICAN gymnast who had any sort of
artistic quality.
Did you guys know that there are other countries that do the gymnastics?
Yes, as a matter of fact, America didn't even invent it. And you know what
else, the other countries do gymnastics BETTER than the American gymnasts. I
can't think of a quality the Americans have that make them better than the
Russian team, or even the Romanian team. Unless you count money as a reason
for big scores.
>She throws a double front on floor, a two-release bar set ending with a
>huge double front, and a 10.0 start value vault. Look for her to keep on
Wow, two releases. That's only been common since what, 1983? Help me here.
>climbing.
> Also not to be excluded are Doni Thompson and Kristy Powell,
>teammates of Strug in Colorado. Powell won the 1995 American Cup, while
>Thompson won the 1994 Olympic Festival and is the US beam champ.
Wow, she won the American Cup. That is prestigous competition.
>Fontaine is a veteran of two world championships,
Ha. Since when does competing in two worlds make you a veteran? ESPECIALLY
when they were in the same YEAR and in fact between six months
> One thing is for certain, though. The picture for the US in Atlanta
>couldn't be brighter.
Of course. It will be in America, they will be even more overscored.
>Okie. There it is. Criticism and commentary is always welcome. I'm a
>journalism major, so i tried my damnedest to be up to par. Hope you all
>enjoy it.
Well, your writing style is not that good. It does not flow and certainly it
is not of much interest or offer anything that nobody knew. A lot of
mistakes but you would have a editor for that. Mostly it is goopy and like a
wanna-be John Tesh (very scary). If you were a real journalist you would
probably have talked to gymnasts to find out something new.
Just my opinion
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 20:13:13 -0200
From: ***@LSS.CO.ZA
Subject: Ilse Roets
Ilse Roets is one of South Africa's best gymnast. On the 23 of
September, her father and stepmother were killed in a tragic car
accident. On the 25 and 26 of September was South African National
Championships. She won this competition superbly without sympathy from
the judges, she really deserved it. In the award ceremony she and her
team members, who will compete in the All Africa Games in Zimbabwe
this month, Heidi-Marie Oosthuizen (2nd) and Tanya Steenkamp (3rd),
shared tears of joy and sorrow in a very emotional moment. Heidi-
Marie (18) has won the event for two years in a row thus her hopes of
a hattrick destroyed. I will send full results soon.
Helen. :)
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 13:15:21 -0500
From: ***@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
Subject: Olympic Preview Criticism
Date sent: 8-SEP-1995 13:07:02
I just received the commentary from one person regarding my Olympic
preview. I'd just like to say a couple of things, though, for the sake
of younger children who read this, I am keeping my language clean.
I don't remember all the commentary, but I would like to address a couple
of things. First, the United States, I feel, was in contention for the
silver in barcelona. While Kim had the only major break, several other
athletes had a number of minor breaks. The only event the US really hit
in options was vault. As for being overscored, what would you call Bontas
and Gogean in compulsories.
Second, I was angling this article for an American magazine. I patterned
it after one written by Street and Smith for the 1988 Olympics. For what
it intended to do, I think it succeeded quite well.
Third, I am sorry for the lack of quotes, but I didn't feel like waiting
for letters to return from athletes or trying to track down the gymnasts
or coaches. On the same line, this would need to have quotes to be publish-
able.
Which brings me to my next point. This was designed for the fans of this
gymn-list. Except for the commentary I just received, many of the comments
I've received have been quite favorable. If this were designed to have been
published other than something LIKE Street and Smith, I would have taken a
different approach. Since it was not, I did not.
Which brings me to my final point. If you wish to flame me and my writing
style, and for that matter, the entire US program such as you did (I
suspect this is the person who was so critical of the US championships)
please do so in private. Although, as a journalism major, i am used to
have matter critiqued, it is normally done so in private, without 366
people having access to that critique. The criticism I received from you
while, in your opinion might have been warranted, was not exactly public
knowledge stuff.
There, I kept it clean. A challenge considering how my stomach is boiling
right now. If Katie Dyson can see this, I can definitely identify with
ya.
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 13:29:59 -0500
From: ***@MAIL.COIN.MISSOURI.EDU
Subject: Re: OLYMPIC PREVIEW
I usually lurk around, but I feel compelled to write.
Ms. R and fellow Gymners, here are a few comments:
On Fri, 8 Sep 1995, Svetlana wrote:
> I think this should be titled "American Olympic Preview." To read this you'd
> think there was one country competing at Atlanta.
To create a preview of all of the competeing teams would be a very
time consuming effort and most likely it would be so long that it would
exhaust the resources of the Listserv. Since the gentleman is an
American, it is only natural that he would cover his country's team's
members.
> major break in either compulsories or optionals. IMO they were overscored a
> lot as well (especially Okino). You can't say they didn't get gold or silver
> because they had mistakes, because really they didn't get gold or silver
> because they were not the best or second best team in any way.
Every team throughout competitive gymnastics history has probably
been a little overscored. The example of Tatiana Gutsu in the '92 Olympic
all-arounds comes to mind. Visibly Miller's vault was better, more solid.
> unless I was trying hard to think of an AMERICAN gymnast who had any sort of
> artistic quality.
We do not need personal cuts such as this, Ms. Rukhina. Constructive
critisism is always appreciated, however. An American gymnast can be just
as artistic as a Russian or a Romanian. Shannon Miller comes to mind as
being a very artistic gymnast.
> else, the other countries do gymnastics BETTER than the American gymnasts. I
Each gymnast is different; so there will be ones that are better
than the others. It is not just a "Russian thing," or a "Romanian thing."
> Russian team, or even the Romanian team. Unless you count money as a reason
> for big scores.
Ms. Rukhina, I am a journalism major also. I am also a collegiate
gymnast. In journalism school we have a term for the above statement:
libel. If you can prove that Americans "paid off" judges, fine. But these
people can sue for that statement. Statements such as that are not needed
in a forum such as this.
> Wow, she won the American Cup. That is prestigous competition.
My sister is a gymnast, and one of her dreams is to compete in the
American Cup. Granted, it is not an international competition, but many
athletes draem of going and competing there.
> Of course. It will be in America, they will be even more overscored.
Do you know this for fact? Do you remember Kim Zmeskal? She won the
world's all-around in Indianapolis. They said it was home-court
advantage...then she won the two golds in Paris, I believe.
> Well, your writing style is not that good. It does not flow and certainly it
> is not of much interest or offer anything that nobody knew. A lot of
For the third time, flames such as this are not needed and have no
place in this forum. Perhaps he is learning good writing techniques, I
don't know. As a fellow journalist, I know that it can be hard to write
the best possible story.
> Just my opinion
And so it is...and this is mine.
Thank you.
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:49:33 -0700
From: ***@U.WASHINGTON.EDU
Subject: Re: OLYMPIC PREVIEW
I found your comments on Jennifer's article to be very rude and
inappropriate. Constructive critisism is always welcome on the forum,
but insults and mean comments like those that you have stated against
Jennifer, many world class gymnasts, and the USA Gymnastics federation
that they are all a part of are very unnecessary. I liked the article,
which was primarily aimed towards Americans (which the Gymn forum is
mostly made up of). It was bright, hopeful, and optimistic. I am sorry
you feel this bitterly about American gymnastics and I hope that you
change your mind about us someday.
Corrie
> You asked for comments, so here they are:
>
> In a message dated 95-09-05 12:10:18 EDT, EISENJ06@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
> (Jennifer Eisenbart) writes:
>
> >Subj: OLYMPIC PREVIEW
>
> I think this should be titled "American Olympic Preview." To read this you'd
> think there was one country competing at Atlanta.
>
> >
> >OKie. Due to popular demand, here is the Olympic Preview I wrote.
> >I think, for the most part, it is pretty accurate. I tried to
> >frame it like Street and Smith did theirs in 1988, which is what gave
> >me the idea in the first place. Enjoy.
> >
> >START TEXT
> > In 1992, expectations for the U.S. Woman's Gymnastics team couldn't
> >have been much higher. After coming up with a surprise team silver medal at
> >the 1991 World Championships, plus riding the wave of Kim Zmeskal's
> >all-around gold, the team was expected to challenge for the team gold.
> > They were brought back down to Earth with a somewhat disappointing
> >third place bronze medal after Kim Zmeskal fell off compulsory beam and
> >several other team members were not at their best.
>
> If you look at the top three teams, expecting the US to finish higher than it
> did would have been a miracle or a joke (see Indianapolis in 91). Any not
> only that, what you say is not even true. Actually, US team did very well
> and hit practically everything. Kim fell off beam, but that was there only
> major break in either compulsories or optionals. IMO they were overscored a
> lot as well (especially Okino). You can't say they didn't get gold or silver
> because they had mistakes, because really they didn't get gold or silver
> because they were not the best or second best team in any way.
>
> Dawes can
> >be considered not only a threat on every apparatus, but in the all-around
> >as well. After finishing a dissapoitning fourth in the all-around at the
> >recent US Nationals, she came back to win both the uneven bars and floor
> >exercise with sensational routines, showing the mettle of a champion.
>
> You call her bars routine sensational? I cannot think of a routine I dislike
> more unless it is Gina Gogean's. At 18 she should have learned how to point
> her toes by now. It's boring, slow, choppy, and messy. See all her events.
>
> Although she
> >is lacking a 10.0 start value vault, she is among the top US athletes on
>
> Now that the Hristiekeva vault is 9.9, so are Strug and Fontaine unless they
> do a 1.5 twist now.
>
>
> > Borden's Cinncinatti teammate, Jaycie Phelps, 16, has come a long
> >way in two years.
> >Possessing the form and line of Shannon Miller, and the grace and beauty of
> >the great KAthy Johnson, Phelps' gymnastics is consistent, clean and HARD!
>
> "Grace and beauty of the great Kathy Johnson?" Her gymnastics is not
> particularly beautiful, and if it were, Kathy Johnson would not come to mind
> unless I was trying hard to think of an AMERICAN gymnast who had any sort of
> artistic quality.
>
> Did you guys know that there are other countries that do the gymnastics?
> Yes, as a matter of fact, America didn't even invent it. And you know what
> else, the other countries do gymnastics BETTER than the American gymnasts. I
> can't think of a quality the Americans have that make them better than the
> Russian team, or even the Romanian team. Unless you count money as a reason
> for big scores.
>
> >She throws a double front on floor, a two-release bar set ending with a
> >huge double front, and a 10.0 start value vault. Look for her to keep on
>
> Wow, two releases. That's only been common since what, 1983? Help me here.
>
> >climbing.
> > Also not to be excluded are Doni Thompson and Kristy Powell,
> >teammates of Strug in Colorado. Powell won the 1995 American Cup, while
> >Thompson won the 1994 Olympic Festival and is the US beam champ.
>
> Wow, she won the American Cup. That is prestigous competition.
>
>
> >Fontaine is a veteran of two world championships,
>
> Ha. Since when does competing in two worlds make you a veteran? ESPECIALLY
> when they were in the same YEAR and in fact between six months
>
>
> > One thing is for certain, though. The picture for the US in Atlanta
> >couldn't be brighter.
>
> Of course. It will be in America, they will be even more overscored.
>
> >Okie. There it is. Criticism and commentary is always welcome. I'm a
> >journalism major, so i tried my damnedest to be up to par. Hope you all
> >enjoy it.
>
> Well, your writing style is not that good. It does not flow and certainly it
> is not of much interest or offer anything that nobody knew. A lot of
> mistakes but you would have a editor for that. Mostly it is goopy and like a
> wanna-be John Tesh (very scary). If you were a real journalist you would
> probably have talked to gymnasts to find out something new.
>
> Just my opinion
>
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 12:27:21 -0700
From: ***@ENG.SUN.COM
Subject: Gymn Guru
Once more, with *feeling*...
-George
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bothered you awhile back and publicly ridicule someone for it. When
all else fails, simply ridicule an elite gymnast or coach, or an ENTIRE
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about them finding out. (See below)
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post, right?
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everything and get away with it. Gymnasts, coaches, and judges never
EVER read the forum.
-- The Gymn Guru
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 15:00:14 -0600
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject: USA World Team Trials: Men's Compulsories
1995 World Team Trials
Standings after Men's compulsories
Frank Erwin Center, UT campus
Austin, TX
8 September 1995
Scores are weighted 40% Nationals, 60% Trials.
At Trials, compulsories are weighted 60%,
and optionals are 40%.
1. John Roethlisberger (Minnesota), 85.534
2. Mihai Bagiu (Gold Cup), 84.562
3. Blaine Wilson (OSU), 83.984
4. Jair Lynch (Stanford), 83.544
5. Josh Stein (Stanford), 83.18
6. John Macready (USOTC), 83.128
7. Kip Simons (OSU), 83.088
8. Steve McCain (UCLA), 82.916
9. Brian Yee (Minnesota), 82.58
10. Chris Waller (UCLA), 82.194
11. Casey Bryan (Oklahoma), 81.892
12. Rob Kieffer (Gold Cup), 81.876
13. Mark Booth (Stanford), 81.856
14. Mike Moran (Daggett's Gold Medal), 81.586
15. Jarrod Hanks (Oklahoma), 81.332
16. Chainey Umphrey (UCLA), 81.154
Bill Roth scratched due to shoulder injury.
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 16:40:29 -0600
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject: USA World Team Trials: Comments on Men's Compulsories
1995 World Team Trials
Frank Erwin Center, UT campus
Austin, TX
8 September 1995
Men's Compulsories
The biggest topic of conversation all througout this session was "Will
the USA men make it to Atlanta?" Some people think it won't be a
problem, while others seem more concerned about it. Only the top
twelve teams from Worlds in Sabae, Japan, will be invited to compete
at the Olympics. With the breakup of the omnipotent Soviet team into
many potent national teams, and other European and Asian countries
also fielding highly competitive teams, it certainly won't be easy.
The top six guys from Nationals pretty much held their ranks through
this meet. The only exception is that Simons (OSU, Nationals-5th) and
Macready (OTC, Nationals-6th) were nudged to 6th and 7th,
respectively, because Josh Stein (Stanford) rose from 8th place to
5th. Steve McCain was all over the place: after the first rotation he
was in 4th, then he plummeted to 13th (fell off high bar on the jam),
rose to 6th, dived to 14th (pommels, fell), then went up to 12th and
finished in 8th.
Mihai Bagiu (Gold Cup) had a strong compulsory round, outscoring John
Roethlisberger (Minnesota). His pbars and high bar were his
best. Roethlisberger had a "steady" meet until the last event, where
he came off of pommel horse. He was quite angry about that fall,
punching a mat propped on the wall in frustration afterwards. Almost
*EVERYONE* came off of pommel horse--it was disastrous. Of the 16
guys, I think less than five made it through without at least a .3
deduction, and certainly over half of them fell off. Bagiu was lucky
not to fall off himself because at one point his foot caught on the
edge of the horse, almost causing him to lose balance. John's pbars
were particularly good (nice peach-1/2), but his vault was perhaps too
ambitious as he had to pump, wave, and contort his arms to manage any
sort of distance.
Other than Mihai, who was great to watch on almost all events, the two
gymnasts who most caught my eye were Mark Booth (Stanford) and John
Macready. Both had really nice cartwheels on the floor compulsory,
and Booth kicks out of his Arabian so early that it almost lifts him
up higher. (Lynch also had a notably good Arabian.) Macready is
lacking in upper body strength but he is great to watch because his
gymnastics is never rushed, always completed, particularly (for what I
noticed) on floor, pbars, and high bar. I really like his gymnastics.
Stanford (Lynch, Booth, and Stein) seem to have the edge on the
compulsory vault. All of them floated the Hecht, with Booth achieving
more distance than I think I've ever seen anyone travel. Kip Simons
also had an outstanding Hecht vault, with a nice high chest. Actually,
I was pleasantly surprised with many vaults. Bagiu did a great vault
but it was marred by a hop back on the landing.
There were numerous unfortunate errors, such as Jair Lynch falling off
pbars on a reverse pirrouette. Mike Moran, who really looked great on
some events, sat down on his Healy on floor. Many guys had real
problems with the second half of the rings compulsory.
In the press conference afterward, when asked about the great number
of falls in the meet (aside from him), Mihai remarked that the World
Trials was a more stressful meet than Worlds because there is so much
pressure to make the team. "Once you get to worlds," he said, "you can
just compete."
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 18:51:55 -0400
From: Laura Whitacre <lorochka@IVT.NEXUSPRIME.ORG>
Subject: Re: USA World Team Trials: Men's Compulsories
> Scores are weighted 40% Nationals, 60% Trials.
>
> At Trials, compulsories are weighted 60%,
> and optionals are 40%.
How were these numbers determined? Why, for example, are comps
worth more?
Laura :)
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 20:29:37 -0600
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject: USA World Trials: Women's Compulsories
1995 World Team Trials
Standings after Women's compulsories
Frank Erwin Center, UT campus
Austin, TX
8 September 1995
Scores are weighted 30% Nationals, 70% Trials.
At Trials, compulsories are weighted 60%,
and optionals are 40%.
1. Dominique Moceanu (Karolyi's), 56.587
2. Shannon Miller (Dynamo), 56.496
3. Dominique Dawes (Hill's Angels), 55.815
4. Kerri Strug (CO Aerials), 55.635
5. Amy Chow (West Valley), 54.931
6. Doni Thompson (CO Aerials), 54.696
7. Mary Beth Arnold (Flips), 54.648
8. Theresa Kulikowski (CO Aerials), 54.372
9. Katie Teft (Great Lakes), 53.923
10. Andree Pickens (Cypress), 53.835
11. Reagan Tomasek (Hill's Angels), 53.776
12. Alecia Ingram (Dynamo), 53.764
13. Monica Flammer (Cypress), 53.757
14. Mohini Bhardwaj (Brown's), 53.061
15. Jaycie Phelps (Cincinnati), 23.319 (* 55.96)
16. Heather Brink (Dynamo), 22.527 (* 54.06)
* Phelps' and Brink's scores on the official scoresheet from tonight
were as listed above... the parenthetical numbers are my calculations
on where their scores should be taking into account only their scores
from Nationals. (Their scores will probably be officially adjusted
after the competition is completed.)
So, really, Jaycie is still in 3rd.
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