GYMN-L Digest - 7 May 1996 to 8 May 1996
There
are 26 messages totalling 584 lines in this
issue.
Topics of the day:
1. FEMALE COACHES
2. Dawes Commercial
3. Mail problem...
4. Magazines
5. Mens Trials
Tickets
6. Lady mens' coaches
7. routines
8. '96 USA's
9. MAG/PH
10. USA:Nationals in Knoxville
11. Scherbo's
new record
12. irc (2)
13. All Around magazine 2.04euro
14. GYMN-L Digest - 4 May 1996 - Special
issue (3)
15. FREE GYMNASTIC
PHOTO CALENDAR (2)
16. Small
gymnastics news in USA Today
17. men's NCAAs
on TV
18. random
thoughts
19. <No subject
given>
20. Level 8
21. Illusion / Worlds
22. Australian Olympic trials
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 07:47:31 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re:
FEMALE COACHES
Interesting point... I don't think there are any women
coaching men's teams.
(At the
college level anyway) Are there any??
Mike
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 07:47:32
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: Dawes Commercial
Saw it... pretty cool... that cash should go
nicely in the training fund.
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 08:16:03
-0500
From: ***@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
Subject:
Mail problem...
I'm sorry to bother the list, but could Chris and
Billy from the
IRC chat last night mail me?
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 15:15:15
PDT
From: ***@AMDAHL.CO.ZA
Subject:
Magazines
Is there a French Gymnastics magazine? Please let me know
what it is like,
and how to order, if there
is!
Thanks, Helen.
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 10:18:00
PDT
From: ***@STARBURSTCOM.COM
Subject:
Mens Trials Tickets
I have 2 tickets to both
the men's comp's (thurs night) and the mens
optionals
(saturday night). The are both
available at face value--really!
(no surprises
when you contact me) It's
likely that I can get my hands
on more--we have
mostly girls at our gym.
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:14:07
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Lady mens' coaches
>>Are there any
female coachs of male elite gymnasts? We see male and
female
WAG coaches, but I was wondering if there are any that specialize in
MAG
coaching?>>
There are precious
few women that coach junior boys, so I sincerely doubt
there
are any at the elite level. However I have met one woman who has a FIG
brevet to judge men.
Dean Dryer
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 10:30:12
-0700
From: ***@SCRIPPS.EDU
Subject:
routines
I'm
wondering if anyone can tell me where to obtain copies of the
current USGF boys routines. I don't need the entire package of
deductions
or breakdowns of skills, just a list of
moves would be sufficient.
Since re-introductions have been going around I suppose I will join
in. My name is
Matt and I have been involved with gymnastics for
more
than 20 years. I am 27 and work in
research at The Scripps Research
Institute in La Jolla CA. I competed for Byers Gymnastics Center
in
Sacramento for about 8 years making it to class I. Due to a late growth
spurt I became practically the only 6'1 gymnast I know of
except for Phil
Cahoy and Alexander Ditiatin. (I am
sure there are more out there, but
they just
aren't that common). I currently
coach rec classes at the
Unversity of California
at San Diego, both children and adults.
I have an
almost 2 year old daughter (born
on the 4th of July) who likes to do seat
drops (at
least the sitting down part) on trampolines and beds wherever she
can find them (we have discouraged her from doing them on
just the floor).
I would love for her to do gymnastics, but seeing as her
mom is 5'9 maybe
volleyball or basketball may end
up being a more practical sport.
I have
lost touch somewhat after the '92 Olympics when many of the
guys I would see in meets like Lance Ringnald
and Chainey Umphrey and
Trent
Dimas were on the team, but I have appreciated getting caught up
again
thanks to this list.
Just a quick aside, Jason Dabb, our "correspondent" in Russia (is that
right Jason?) was a former student
of mine who eventually went far beyond
anything I
taught him, I have also kept in touch with him due to this
list--thanks--
Matt
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:20:11
CDT
From: ***@PROCTR.CBA.UA.EDU
Subject:
'96 USA's
Since USA's are like next month, does anyone know where in
Knoxville
it will be held or who one needs to
contact for tickets?
Thanks
Shawn
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 14:44:05
-0400
From: ***@UKY.CAMPUS.MCI.NET
Subject:
MAG/PH
To all the Men's Judges out there, I'm just curious how the
following pommel
horse routine would fit with the
current Code of Points and your best guess
on a
score or start value. Thanks!
First,
a downhill pommel circle, step down to two back loops, a spindle to
downhill circles, two pommel loops to the center, then a
Bailey, then a back
Moore, a downhill circle, and a flair
to a handstand on the end. Then,
drop
down to the center, do an alternate back
scissor, back scissor, alternate
front scissor,
front scissor, pick up to double leg circles, a downhill
pommel
loop to backward longitudinal travel, alternating hands across the
pommels, and then a flair to a handstand dismount.
Chris
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 15:01:32
-0400
From: ***@PHARM.MED.UPENN.EDU
Subject:
USA:Nationals in
Knoxville
Here is where you can get tickets from
the Univ. of Tenn. Ticket office (423) 656-4444
The
compeition will be held in the Thompson Bolling Arena on the Univ. of
Tenn. Campus.
the areana holds about 20,000 people.
There are a
number of hotels within 1-2 miles of the venue (walking distance)
Hyatt
Regency
Hilton
Radisson
Holiday Inn World's Fair
Hope
this helps for people making plans on going to USA's
Mayland
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:38:26
-0400
From: ***@YORKU.CA
Subject:
Scherbo's new record
A
friend and I were wondering on the IRC last night who
did
Scherbo overtake for the record of all time
world and Olympic gold medals
won? The commentators didn't say on ABC. I think it was Eizo
Kenmotzo
(sp?)
from Japan, but I'm not sure. Could someone confirm this for
me/us?
Chris.
P.S. I
thought I would wait till I had something to post before I did
any kind of introduction. I am 21 years old, male, and I am
just
finishing my 3rd year university. I have been a gymnastics fan for
ten
years.
My all time favourites are Daniela Silivas and Yuri Korolev. My
current favourite is Marleen Lavoie (from
Canada), and in men's I'd say
Scherbo and Nemov.
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 17:06:52
-0300
From: ***@CCN.CS.DAL.CA
Subject:
Re: irc
Hi y'all,
I'm
a newsubscriber, been meaning to pop in - I'm 19 and
my
passion in life has always been
gymnastics...done it, doing it, want to
coach...
Anyway, I went into irc, at 11 pm est, Monday night [last
night]
and there was no-one round. Is hte channel on efnet, undernet, dal.net?
I was on efnet...
Thanks Lisa.
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 21:45:14
+0200
From: ***@PI.NET
Subject:
All Around magazine 2.04euro
All Around magazine tuesday 7 may 1996 edition: 2.04euro
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1.
TV Alert
The broadcasting schedule for the European Championships
on
Eurosport is as follows (Central European
Time)
friday 18.30 - 21.00 h live!
saturday 17.00 - 18.30 h
sunday 15.00 - 17.00 h live!
The
European Championships for men will be held this week,
from
thursday to sunday in the
city of Copenhagen (Denmark).
This All Around magazine will also be send to
the
Gymn Forum.
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:17:10
-0400
From: ***@CORNELL.EDU
Subject:
Re: GYMN-L Digest - 4 May 1996 - Special issue
>The ncaa women's team finals coverage,
by cbs, is really very good,
>despite the shortness of the presentation: pretty much routine after
>routine after routine.
And the gymnasts looked great!
Just had to respond to
this! I know that collegiate
gymnastics doesn't get
much coverage, but I can't
believe that CBS' coverage was as stated!
Yes
they showed routines, but cutting off
the routines of people who fell??
Give me a break! We all want people to
respect gymmnastics but since
when
is a routine over when someone falls?
There seems to be a surreal
feeling to collegiate gymnastics when watching
these
teams. I coach a team that is
struggling back from title 9 and our
gymnasts live
in the "real world". We
all are trying to get the media and
others to
really understand gymnastics and this is how we do it? I will
say
that the short story about the girl (her name is escaping me right now)
from Alabama who pulled in on her double and hit her neck
and still came
back to compete says alot. But come
on! The coverage was just
"ok" at
most...
Just another
opinion -
Melanie
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 16:35:40
-0400
From: ***@GNATNET.NET
Subject:
Re: irc
Okay.. this seems like a good time to re-advertise the bi-weekly Gymn IRC chats.
The official Gymn
Forum IRC chats are at 2pm EDT Sundays, 10pm EDT Mondays, and
8pm CET
(2pm EDT) Thursdays. The channel is #Gymn
on Dalnet.
Anyone who would like to
find
out more about how to connect to IRC, feel free to email me,
and I'll be happy
to help.
Happy Gymming,
Kerry
Lisa
Marie wrote:
>
> Hi y'all,
>
I'm a newsubscriber, been meaning to pop in -
I'm 19 and my
> passion in life has always been
gymnastics...done it, doing it, want to
> coach...
>
Anyway, I went into irc, at 11 pm est, Monday night [last
night]
> and there was no-one round. Is hte channel on efnet, undernet, dal.net?
> I was
on efnet...
>
Thanks Lisa.
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 17:23:29
-0400
From: ***@HICOM.NET
Subject:
FREE GYMNASTIC PHOTO CALENDAR
Anyone know if this is for real?
Michele
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 18:36:05
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Small gymnastics news in USA Today
In todays' (Tuesday's) USA Today
there was a page of news on all the summer
Olympic sports. In the
gymnastics section it had a couple of sentences on
Dominique Moceanu. It said she's going to compete in the US Classic
next
weekend and that her heel is recovered. It
was really very short.
LeeAnn
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 19:41:23
-0300
From: ***@CCN.CS.DAL.CA
Subject:
Re: GYMN-L Digest - 4 May 1996 - Special issue
On Tue, 7 May 1996,
Melanie wrote:
> >The ncaa
women's team finals coverage, by cbs, is really very
good,
> >despite the shortness of the
presentation: pretty much routine
after
> >routine after routine. And the gymnasts looked great!
Hi,
I have to get in on this too. I watched the NCAA coverage on CBS.
It's
better than no coverage, but I'd have to agree mostly with Melanie
that it wasn't the best. It was short, only an hour. But an
hour is
better than no time at all.
>
Just had to respond to this! I know
that collegiate gymnastics doesn't get
> much
coverage, but I can't believe that CBS' coverage was as stated! Yes
> they
showed routines, but cutting off the routines of people who fell??
>
Give me a break! We all
want people to respect gymmnastics but since
>
when is a routine over when someone falls?
I'm
guessing somehow that the funding for the NCAA coverage wasn't too
much and then had to make cuts. But, yeah.
Cutting a performance off as a
gymnast falls is
insulting.
> There seems to be a surreal feeling to collegiate
gymnastics when watching
> these teams. I coach a team that is struggling back
from title 9 and our
> gymnasts live in the
"real world". We all are
trying to get the media and
> others to really
understand gymnastics and this is how we do it? I will
> say
that the short story about the girl (her name is escaping me right now)
>
from Alabama who pulled in on her double and hit her
neck and still came
> back to compete says alot. But come
on! The coverage was just
"ok" at
> most...
Since you
brought up the real world, a thought that crossed my mind while
watching the coverage was that these girls were all their
own
cheerleaders - perfectly admirable on a
collegiate forum, but with their
cheering it was
hard to feel any seriousness being used to very poised
national
competitors. The competiton was just that - a college
comp. So
it was ok for what it was.
And
on a final note, does anyone know of coverage of the men's comp being
brodcasted? While somewhere around
the subject of bandwagoning, I would
think if the men's rounds weren't televised that it would be
pretty much
unamious
that something political were going on. Pardon me for being an
idealist...
Lisa
> Just another opinion -
>
> Melanie
>
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 19:03:42 -0500
From: ***@MAIL.COIN.MISSOURI.EDU
Subject:
Re: FREE GYMNASTIC PHOTO CALENDAR
> Anyone know if this is for
real?
>
> Michele
>
I sent off for one...so, we
shall see if it is...
--Michael :)
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 18:13:00
MDT
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject:
men's NCAAs on TV
>And on a final note, does anyone know of coverage
of the men's comp being
>brodcasted?
This
is a VCR one! It's on ESPN on May
16th at 12:30am if you are in the
Eastern time zone; on May 15th at 9:30pm
in the Pacific; and at the
appropriate intervals
for mountain and central. They are
showing, oddly
enough, mostly all-around and
individual event finals (by far the most
coveted
title at NCAAs is the team title, and they are only showing
highlights of this competition).
Rachele
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 21:47:39
-0400
From: ***@TSO.CIN.IX.NET
Subject:
random thoughts
In response to Dory's comments on how you need
tumbling, dance (not prance),
poise, and good
music to make a complete routine, two more came to my mind.
Beata Storzer's routine to Rite
of Spring was very well executed, and IMHO
had all
those aspects and then some. The
other one I liked for its ethnic
music was Olyssia Dudnik's routine. Plus she tumbled a tripple
twist; I
have always liked those.
NCAA's
coverage wasn't too bad. I would
have liked more, but I'll take
what I can get esp.
since I refuse to pay monsterous cable bills for
ESPN.
What I want to know is: where was Sandy Woolsey? I saw a glimpse of her
standing with Utah's team, but she didn't appear to be
injured. If anyone
knows, please inform me!
Last note: Ifinally got
my copy of Women's Gymnastics; a History.
If you havn't read it yet, what are you waiting for?
One
last thought: Anyone familar with the the piece Jupiter for Holst's
The Plantets? I always thought that would make some
very versitile floor
music.
back to lurk mode...
Liz B.
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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 22:30:14
-0400
From: ***@VAXC.HOFSTRA.EDU
Subject:
Re: GYMN-L Digest - 4 May 1996 - Special issue
HI,
The girl who
pulled in on her double back was traci sommer, from utah.
She
was very lucky and very brave to come back after that. I agree that
they
should not have cut short the routines of the girls that fell.
Alisa
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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 00:49:58
-0400
From: ***@UKY.CAMPUS.MCI.NET
Subject:
<No subject given>
For those of you who are going to Knoxville
but haven't been there before,
take
some anti-nausea medication with you.
*Everything* in Thompson-Bowling
Arena is, pardon the language, Tennesee orange.
The seats, the floor trim,
the aisles,
EVERYTHING! For a true blue
Kentucky fan it's down right
sickening! All kidding aside, I'm jealous of all
y'all who get to go. Yell
a little for me!
Chris
>Here is where
you can get tickets from
>the
Univ. of Tenn. Ticket office (423) 656-4444
>
>The compeition will be held in the Thompson Bolling
Arena on the Univ. of
>Tenn. Campus.
> the areana holds about 20,000 people.
>
>There
are a number of hotels within 1-2 miles of the venue (walking distance)
>Hyatt
Regency
>Hilton
>Radisson
>Holiday Inn World's
Fair
>
>
>Hope this helps for people making plans
on going to USA's
>
>Mayland
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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 01:32:55
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Level 8
Could somebody please email me privately the "rules"
of Level 8 competition.
Such as on floor you need 2 C dance moves
or whatever, or please tell me how
to get a list
of what they are and what kind of moves are rated what. I am
trying
to compete Level 8 and am getting no help in this way. Thanks!
Andrea
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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 17:45:09
+1300
From: ***@NETACCESS.CO.NZ
Subject:
Illusion / Worlds
To answer a question put to me by Robin & ?
1) Question was about landings with
the feet apart and is there a deduction
can the
judges detect this when they sit on the side of the horse?
>
There are six judges on big Int'l panels. At least 4 judges would
see the landing with the feet apart. Only those in line with the gymnast
would have difficulty picking this up. Also the gymnast must have
some
separation in the air prior to landing so all
of the judges should be able
to see this.
2) Question 2
was whether an Illusion full turn fulfilled the full turn
requirement on beam.
Yes, and it is an "E" skill. (This was a USGF
interpretation
and would be used at the NCAA level, I don't know what they
do internationally.
Avril??)
I am surprised to see this is credited as
the required full turn at the
NCAA level. I would not count it. Part of the turn
is done with hand
support. I do not remember
having to rule on it internationally though.
Gymnasts generally have enough
trouble with the normal full turn without
attempting
an illusion.
We finally got to see the Worlds coverage on Cable TV
last night. What a
great meet. We
were not shown Lius bar routine though. I was impressed
with
Phelps bar and thought that Khorkina made an error in hers, surely
the
kip tuck on half turn catch the
high bar was not what she did in the
semis. I would have thought her routine would
have gone from the Pak salto
to
a clear circle handstand half turn glide kip etc.
Wasn't Sheremeta's floor tumbling impressive. Dina deserved the gold on
beam all to herself.
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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 19:40:22
+1000
From: ***@OZEMAIL.COM.AU
Subject:
Australian Olympic trials
Today I rang the Australian Institute of
Sport regarding the Olympic trials.
They will be held there on Sunday, 26 May
(2pm Australian Eastern Standard
Time), and 28 & 29
May, both at 7pm AEST. The
Sunday session is
compulsories, and the other two
are optionals.
Tickets are available from
Ticketek in
Canberra, but I didn't get the cost.
At this stage I am planning to go
to the two latter sessions, work
commitments
pending.
If any other Aussies are going, let me know - perhaps we can
meet up.
I just hope Ruth Moniz catches her Jaeger.
:)
Simone
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