GYMN-L Digest - 7 Jan 1996 to 8 Jan 1996

There are 17 messages totalling 507 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

1. Olympic Predictions
2. FYI 1999 Worlds
3. USA GYMNASTICS and the Olympics. (4)
4. bounces
5. beam dismount value (5)
6. TV ALERT! (2)
7. GYMN-L Digest - 6 Jan 1996 to 7 Jan 1996
8. hello
9. Elodie Lussac

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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 07:44:20 -0500
From: ***@PO-BOX.MCGILL.CA
Subject: Re: Olympic Predictions

I have to agree with Alex Faber...


Those who have predicted that American gymnasts will go to Atlanta and sweep
the gold medals either grossly underestimated the potential and resources of
international gymnasts or are simply putting wishful thinking into official
predictions.

I do not mean to underestimate the power of the homeland advantage, but I
myself would never want to win an Olympic medal on that basis rather than on
on the basis of my athletic abilities. It only takes one look at the Sabae
World's champ to realize that the All-Around gold medal will not necessarily
go to an American...

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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 10:52:37 -0500
From: ***@TSO.CIN.IX.NET
Subject: FYI 1999 Worlds

The Cincinnati Enquirer had a very short blurd in the sports section
stating that USA Gymnastics would be nominating Indianapolis as a site
for the 1999 World Championships. Anyone else hear anything on this?

TTYL,
Liz B.

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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 12:33:47 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: USA GYMNASTICS and the Olympics.

Heading into the Olympics, USA no longer is a "middle-pack" team and is
an honest gymnastics power (in Women's). I feel that some may bicker over
the fact that they could be overscored due to the homecourt advantage,
but they also carry the incredible pressure of being expected to produce
medalist, champions, and a team medal. They've proven their success on MANY
INTERNATIONAL SITES and have produced medalists in the last 6 WORLDS. I don't
think that I would want to have to deal with that kind of pressure.

Perhaps you are right and the US may be overscored, but you know I rarely see
people bicker over the fact that many gymnasts in the top 4 teams execute
routines of less quality than some of the gymnasts of the "middle-pack"
teams and consistently get higher scores because they are in the last
rotation.

I don't think that it will be that "biased" towards the USA. I worry more about
it being biased towards a gymnast who lacks artistic talent and just throws
the mega difficult tricks with form errors everywhere but not a deduction
made. I've seen it before in 1992.


Jeff

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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 12:42:01 -0500
From: ***@UKY.CAMPUS.MCI.NET
Subject: bounces

I'm sorry to put a personal note on the DG, but I've been having some
problems with bounced mail. If Donald Yarros sees this, please e-mail me
directly. I was trying to answer your questions about Scott Keswick, but
everything I send to you bounces.
Chris

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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 12:15:52 -0600
From: ***@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
Subject: Re: USA GYMNASTICS and the Olympics.

Jeff brings up a good point. Normally, I wouldn't add this, but I
think it would be a good example to back up his point. At Sabae,
the French woman's team was doing some VERY loud complaining about
compulsories, especially during the uneven bars compulsories.

On, the other hand, look what Bulgaria was able to accomplish in the
middle session of optionals in Seoul.

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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 14:08:05 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: USA GYMNASTICS and the Olympics.

>At Sabae, the French woman's team was doing some VERY loud complaining
>about compulsories, especially during the uneven bars compulsories.

I don't know where you are getting your information, but I was in Sabae and
followed the French team and heard NOTHING about them complaining about
anything (certainly not "very loud").

The only public team complainent concerning compulsory scores, that I'm aware
of, were the Chinese men.

-Susan

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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 14:32:55 -0500
From: ***@WAM.UMD.EDU
Subject: beam dismount value

What is a 2 1/2 twist dismount off beam (like Teza from france performs)
worth? D or E ?

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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 14:37:23 -0500
From: ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Re: beam dismount value


> What is a 2 1/2 twist dismount off beam (like Teza from france performs)
> worth? D or E ?
>
It's a D, same as a double back.
Chris.

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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:56:50 -0600
From: ***@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
Subject: Re: USA GYMNASTICS and the Olympics.

Since there seems to be some doubt on the source on this, I'll explain.
I just assumed it was common knowledge.

Local newspaper, during the Sabae worlds, ran a story on the French coach
complaining about the uneven bars score of either Elvira Teza or Latetia
Begue (please pardon any spelling mistakes there), and about the scoring
for the French in general. *shrug* So sue me, I believed it.


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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:38:27 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: beam dismount value

In a message dated 96-01-07 14:55:56 EST, you write:

>It's a D, same as a double back.

That is another flaw in the code that I was not aware of. Doesn't a 2 1/2
twist repuire much more talent, skill, and air awareness than a simple double
tuck?

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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:53:52 -0500
From: ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Re: beam dismount value


> In a message dated 96-01-07 14:55:56 EST, you write:
>
> >It's a D, same as a double back.
>
> That is another flaw in the code that I was not aware of. Doesn't a 2 1/2
> twist repuire much more talent, skill, and air awareness than a simple double
> tuck?
Well, I'm not a gymnast myself, but I think that a 2 1/2 twist
really isn't that much harder than a double, and if you made a 2 1/2 an
E, then those who can do triple fulls off beam wouldn't get extra credit.
Chris.

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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 22:15:27 GMT
From: ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: TV ALERT!

This past Saturday evening I was watching Road to U.S. Olympic Gold at
7:30 EST. Mary Lou was helping to host the show, and she said that next
week the entire show (1/2 hr.) would be devoted to gymnastics. They are
going to interview Dom. M. and many others. They also announced that
Steve Nunno was recently married, and his new years goal was, " to do
something I have never done before, be a good husband." I hope this is
not old info.

Gymnastics on Road to U.S. Olympic Gold
7:30 - 8:00 EST January 13, 1996
--
Bonnie

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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 17:49:27 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: beam dismount value

In a message dated 96-01-07 16:55:50 EST, you write:

>2 1/2 twist
>really isn't that much harder than a double, and if you made a 2 1/2 an
>E, then those who can do triple fulls off beam wouldn't get extra credit.

Obviously, the fact that you are not a gymnast is very prevalent in your last
statement. I was a gymnast. Any skill which has to land foward is much
harder than a skill that you can see the ground before you land. Out of
curiosity, I would like to know the value of those skills on floor. I
bwelieve that a double back is a B, while a 2 1/2 is a D. Am I correct?
Those ratings seem much more fair.

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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 17:49:38 -0500
From: ***@PHOENIX.PRINCETON.EDU
Subject: Re: TV ALERT!

> This past Saturday evening I was watching Road to U.S. Olympic Gold at
> 7:30 EST. Mary Lou was helping to host the show, and she said that next
> week the entire show (1/2 hr.) would be devoted to gymnastics. They are
> going to interview Dom. M. and many others. They also announced that
> Steve Nunno was recently married, and his new years goal was, " to do
> something I have never done before, be a good husband." I hope this is
> not old info.
>
> Gymnastics on Road to U.S. Olympic Gold
> 7:30 - 8:00 EST January 13, 1996
> --
> Bonnie
>
Thanks for the update-sounds like a good show to watch! What channel??
-Emily

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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 18:05:49 -0500
From: ***@FREENET.BUFFALO.EDU
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 6 Jan 1996 to 7 Jan 1996

Replys to violence in the media has slowed, so I'm sending it
out again hoping that, even if you don't answer you'll pass
it on to frineds who will.....

>I apologize for this not being totally gymn related, but I need

>information, and the internet is a form of media, as is sports,

>so I guess it's kind of relevant.

>

>In a few weeks (JAN 18) I will be leading a panel discussion on

>Violence in The Media. I need people to participate in a

>survey, and, rather than spend 20 dollars photocopying,

>I thought it would be easier to set it up through the Internet.

>

>I need to get replies from 100 people in a short period of time:

>Jan. 12th if possible. To help my cause, please distribute this

>letter to anyone you know through mail of listservs.

>

>Help would be GREATLY appreciated. I'm 13 years old, trying to

>get this finished and I really need help......

>

>----------------------------------------------------------------

>Violence In The Media

>

>1. Are you male or female? male

>2. Are you:

>a. younger than 18

>b. 18-25

>c. 25-40

>d. 40-65

>e. 65 and older

>f. no comment

>

>(all answers are confidencial and no names will be used)

>

>3. Do you know of any effects of violence on teens?

>

>4. Have you ever personally experienced violence?

>

>5. Do you approve of violence in sports?

>

>6. Do you cheer during fights during sports games?

>

>7. Have you ever seen violence in a normally civilized sport?

> (Gymnastics, figure skating, etc.)

>

>8. Do you watch hockey?

>

>9. If yes, would you watch it without fights?

>

>10. What recent movies have you seen that included violence?



>11. Would you watch them without the violence?

>

>12. Would you aprove of I.D. checking to make sure under-age kids

> aren't seeing movies they shouldn't see?



>13. How do you propose government stops kids from renting movies

> they normally wouldn't see in a theater?

>

>14. What is your favorite movie?



>15. Is it violent?

>

>16. Do you approve of teens reacting to what they see in the media ?



>17. Do you approve of Beavis and Butthead?



>18. Have you ever seen violence on the Internet?

>

>19. Are lyrics today in music influencing people?

>

>20. Is the news too violent for the average American?

>

>21. What should be changed on TV to make it less violent?

>

>22. What crimes have you heard about related to media violence?

>

>23. Can violence ever be good? When?

>

>24. Where does the blame for violence in the media and results of it fall?

>

>25. Do you think the government is doing the right things about media violence?

>

>26. What do you think of Dole's ideas? Is he breaking the freedom of speech

amendment? Would you vote for him if he promised to be hard on mediums with
violence

and committers of crimes related to the media?

>

>27. Any other comments?

>

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>

>I know this is a little long-winded, but I don't expect everyone

>to answer all of the long essay questions if they aren't

>relevant.

>

>Please only do what you can.

>

>No names will be used....

>

>Please mail your response to ai382@freenet.buffalo.edu

>

>Thanx in advance....

>

Thanx in advance- I need 80 more replies by SUNDAY!!!!!!

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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 18:23:26 -0500
From: ***@EXPERT.CC.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: hello

Hello fellow gymners, I am back. I kept "in touch" with gymnastics while
I was away from here. Thanks to Gordon Estes, I got to watch quite a few
gymnastics competitions from this past year and the '92 Olympics. Also,
I helped out my high school's gymnastics team in practice and a couple of
competitions. I am going to keep this short for now. If anyone is
intersted in discussing some high school gymnastics in Indiana, let me
know. As soon as I can, I will start discussing my feelings of some of
the competitions that I was finally able to see.
Gymnastically Yours,
Aaron

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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 20:19:47 -0500
From: ***@DELPHI.COM
Subject: Elodie Lussac

Dear gymners,

Does anyone know what happened to Elodie Lussac? I first saw her at
the 1994 Amercian Cup. She was graceful and threw alot of diffuclty. Then,
I had heard that she had broken her zygomatic process (cheek bone) in a
crash on one of the events. What actually happened? Did she return to
competition?

Gymnastically yours,

David

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