GYMN-L Digest - 7 Feb 1996 to 8 Feb 1996
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1. UB Transitions
2. Gymnastics Tape
3. Purdue Gymnastics
4. NCAA Women's Team (4)
5. request and
questions from a newcomer
6.
GYMN-L Collegiate Update vol. 1, no. 11
7. GYMN-L Digest - 6 Feb 1996 to 7 Feb
1996
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:27:15
-0500
From: ***@EAGLE.LHUP.EDU
Subject:
Re: UB Transitions
What about a Shaposhnikova
that Dominique Moceanu uses? It has value,
lots
of amplitude and is an exciting transition.
Julie
> The
reasons gymnasts use a squat on to go from low bar to high bar and
> don't have more creative transitions is:
>
>
1. Low bar to high bar transitions aren't worth anything. So you
>
can't spend time in the gym working on a skill that
doesn't get any
> credit. Expecally
If you have other skills to work on that are worth
> something
in your routine.
>
>
2. A squat on is a consistent skill that has few deductions. If
>
you do a jam you can get the deduction for bent knees
when you push off
> the low bar. Jams are also
less consistent. In a meet you don't want to
> mess
up on an easy bar transition.
>
>
3. It is hard for many gymnast because of there size to catch the
>
high bar.
>
>
4. Other than squat on, double leg jams, straddle jams and a
> piked backward circle to a
standing position I don't know of any other
> transitions
to high bar.
>
> 5. In all of the compulsory
routines (USAG) the only transition
> that is
used is a squat on. So when a gymnast turns optional that is the
> only bar transition that they know how to do.
>
>
On Tue, 6 Feb 1996 13:22:46 +0600 Troy Ristow
wrote:
> >> I just wanted to point this out because some gymnast
are getting away
> with
> > this
> >> cheap
transition and if your good enough to be world champ, perhaps
> you
> >> are good
enough to do something creative.
> >
> > Maybe they should ban the double leg jam
while they're at it. I'm
> sick
> >of seeing that
and it's not creative, either.
> >
> >
>
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:22:32
-0500
From: ***@POND.COM
Subject:
Gymnastics Tape
Hey all! I
was wondering if anybody taped the "Road to Atlanta" (or
something
along those lines) ??? I completely
forgot to tape it and I am
kicking myself for
it. I could probably help you out
with a tape as well.
Thank you!
I have another request...Does
anybody have the 1992 Olympics on tape from
the
regular NBC broadcast? I would
appreciate it very much if you could
help me
out. Thanx
alot! :)
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:46:17
-0500
From: ***@EXPERT.CC.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:
Purdue Gymnastics
I'm not sure who all will be interested, besides
Jeff Ruell, but there
is
a gymnastics invitational here at Purdue this Saturday. I can't
remember
all of the teams but here are the ones I do remember; Eastern
Michigan,
University of Iliinois, Indiana University, Notre
Dame,
University of Wisconsin, Virginia Tech, and several
others. I believe it
is both men and women.
I know I'll be there. I will
try to take mental
notes so I can report back to
you. The meet is at noon Sat, Feb.
10. I
can't
wait!
Aaron
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:31:31
-0500
From: ***@GNATNET.NET
Subject:
Re: NCAA Women's Team
Does anyone know what's up with UCLA? I notice that they are ranked
19th! A lot of people were expecting them to
contend for the top 3.
They seem to be doing really badly on bars and beam
(19-bars, not even
top 20 on beam). They have great gymnasts in Homma and Umeh, and
judging from last
season, the rest of their team must be pretty strong,
too.
Also,
why are region scores posted by Georgia, but not by any other
team? They
haven't gone to regionals or competed with every team in the
region.
GO GEORGIA!
GO DAWGS! SIC 'EM!
Kerry
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:20:42
-0600
From: ***@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU
Subject:
request and questions from a newcomer
Hello. I'm a new subscriber to GYMN-L I have no
background in gymnastics
but am interested in
learning more since my 7-yr. old recently joined a
level
5 team here in Austin, TX. I have a
request. We missed the "Rock
n
Roll Challenge" that was shown sometime around Christmas. My daughter would
love
to see it, but we haven't been able to find anyone at our gym who
videotaped it.
If I could get a copy from someone, I'd greatly appreciate
it. I'd be more
than happy to pay all expenses. If
you can help, please
e-mail me directly.
I
also have some
naive questions. My
daughter's level 5 team works
out 4 hours per day,
4 times per week. This seems like a
lot to me. When
she first started team last summer, they did 10 hrs, but in the fall bumped
it
up to 16 hours per week. Except for
the 1st week, when making the
transition to team,
she has always been happy to go and seems to absolutely
love
gymnastics. I'm just concerned
about it taking over her life.
What
about school? So far there is no problem because in
first grade, she has no
homework. I'm also concerned about the negative
publicity about gymnastics
I've heard recently. I don't want to take away something she
loves so much
and that has given her so much
personal gratification, but I'm worried she
might
get hurt (physically or emotionally) down the road.
**********************************************************
Nancy
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:36:47
-0800
From: ***@LELAND.STANFORD.EDU
Subject:
Re: NCAA Women's Team
> Does anyone know what's up with UCLA? I notice that they are ranked
>
19th! A lot of people were
expecting them to contend for the top 3.
> They seem to be doing really
badly on bars and beam (19-bars, not even
> top
20 on beam). They have great
gymnasts in Homma and Umeh, and
> judging from last season, the rest of their team must be
pretty strong,
> too.
At least part of
this has to do with the fact that west coast judges
(especially
southern Cal judges) tend not to be on the same drugs that the
rest of the judges in the country are on. I mean, come one, does *anyone*
who's not a Georgia fan believe that *any* team is good
enough to be
averaging 9.9 per routine? And even if they are, I guarantee you
that
there are some teams in the top fifteen who
won't be in the top 25 once
they get judged at
Regionals (where the scores tend to come down as well
as
become more comparable across Regional boundaries).
This will also
level out a bit once the ranking method changes from High
Score to Average
(probably next week), and then to RQS (see below).
I imagine part of
it is also due to some inconsistencies on the part of
the
gymnasts (though I don't recall any reports). Hopefully (for UCLA
fans, at least) they will hit their peak toward the end of
the year.
Until last year, they had a habit of peaking late, but
unfortunately, a
couple of weeks two soon (great
Regional, so-so Nationals). Last
year,
they did very well at Nationals, so
hopefully they will do the same again
this
year.
Sorry I can only speculate about the performance difficulties,
but the
scoring discrepancies can't be ignored
when looking at national rankings.
> Also, why are region scores
posted by Georgia, but not by any other
> team? They haven't gone to regionals or
competed with every team in the
> region.
The
"region" scores are not actually posted, but rather computed, based
on
the following formula (unless it has changed
from last year):
Take 2 Highest home meet scores, 2 Highest
away meet scores, 2 Next
highest scores; throw out
the highest and lowest of these scores; and
average
the remaining four scores. This
gives the RQS, or Regional
Qualifying Score. So, Georgia (and Ball State)
theoretically must have
completed five meets, at
least two of which were home and two away (a
sixth
score isn't necessary, since it would be dropped anyway). Steve's
program
might compute an RQS based on just two home and two away,
although that leaves no high to toss; or the equation might
have changed
from last year.
-Patrick
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 15:33:23
-0500
From: ***@EAGLE.LHUP.EDU
Subject:
Re: NCAA Women's Team
The problem with the system is that judges are
assigned in conjunction
with coaches
requests. If a judge doesn't give
high scores, he/she will
not be assigned to do any
college meets. In addition,
qualifying to
nationals is based on scoring
therefore judges are under pressure to get
the
colleges in their area into a competitive situation so that they may
qualify. The
system needs to change. Just my two cents worth.
Julie
>
>
> Does anyone know what's up with UCLA?
I notice that they are ranked
> > 19th! A lot of people were expecting them to
contend for the top 3.
> > They seem to be doing really badly on bars
and beam (19-bars, not even
> > top 20 on
beam). They have great gymnasts in
Homma and Umeh, and
> > judging
from last season, the rest of their team must be pretty strong,
> > too.
>
> At least part of this has to do with
the fact that west coast judges
> (especially
southern Cal judges) tend not to be on the same drugs that the
> rest of the judges in the country are on. I mean, come one, does *anyone*
>
who's not a Georgia fan believe that *any* team is
good enough to be
> averaging 9.9 per
routine? And even if they are, I
guarantee you that
> there are some teams in
the top fifteen who won't be in the top 25 once
> they
get judged at Regionals (where the scores tend to come down as well
> as become more comparable across Regional boundaries).
>
>
This will also level out a bit once the ranking method changes from High
>
Score to Average (probably next week), and then to RQS (see below).
>
>
I imagine part of it is also due to some inconsistencies on the part of
>
the gymnasts (though I don't recall any reports). Hopefully (for UCLA
> fans, at least) they will hit their peak toward the end of
the year.
> Until last year, they had a habit of peaking late, but
unfortunately, a
> couple of weeks two soon
(great Regional, so-so Nationals).
Last year,
> they did very well at
Nationals, so hopefully they will do the same again
> this
year.
>
> Sorry I can only speculate about the performance
difficulties, but the
> scoring discrepancies
can't be ignored when looking at national rankings.
>
> >
Also, why are region scores posted by Georgia, but not by any other
>
> team?
They haven't gone to regionals or competed with every team in the
>
> region.
>
> The "region"
scores are not actually posted, but rather computed, based on
> the following formula (unless it has changed from last
year):
>
> Take 2 Highest home meet scores, 2 Highest
away meet scores, 2 Next
> highest scores;
throw out the highest and lowest of these scores; and
> average the remaining four scores. This gives the RQS, or Regional
>
Qualifying Score. So, Georgia (and
Ball State) theoretically must have
> completed
five meets, at least two of which were home and two away (a
> sixth score isn't necessary, since it would be dropped
anyway). Steve's
> program might compute an RQS based on just two home and two
away,
> although that leaves no high to toss;
or the equation might have changed
> from last
year.
>
> -Patrick
>
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:50:29
-0800
From: ***@LELAND.STANFORD.EDU
Subject:
GYMN-L Collegiate Update vol. 1, no. 11
GYMN-L's Collegiate Update
Volume 1, no. 11
Feb. 7, 1996
_____________________________________________________________________
Contents:
1.
Washington vs. California (W) report
2. Univ. of Iowa vs. Northen Ill. (W) report
3. Alabama vs. Georgia (W)
report
_____________________________________
*****Item number 1.11.1*****
Date:
Mon, 05 Feb 96 19:39:01 -0800
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Washington vs.
California (W) report
Washington at California (W)
February
3rd, 1996
Since no one else submitted a report, I will add a few quick
comments
(mostly from a Washington
perspective). I don't have a score
sheet so
the individual scores below are from
memory.
California Bears 192.675
Washington Huskies 192.65
AA: 1.
Tiffany Simpson
39.325
Cal built a huge lead in their first event,
vault, and hung on in front
of the home crowd to
defeat Washington. In the end, the
Bear's depth
proved too much for the
injury-depleted Huskies, who have some individual
standouts. Cal was strongest on the Vault and
Floor, but needs to work
on bars and beam to improve
their team score. Washington lacks
depth on
floor and vault, and lost another gymnast
to injury on their first event,
bars. (Seaboldt, who
planted beautiful, high double layout only to
collapse
with a knee injury after what looked to be a solid landing).
Both teams are
much improved from last year and will battle with about a
dozen teams for the few remaining spots at Nationals.
Outstanding
performances for Cal included Lisa Washington's powerful Pike
Front
vault (9.925), Candace Kwok's clean beam work (9.9) and barani
front-half, and Mindy Ornellas'
victory on floor (front to double tuck,
9.875?). Kwok was headed to a great all around
tally but crashed her
opening full-in on floor to
end up 2nd. She seems to be in the
best
shape of her collegiate career.
Washington
was led by freshman Tiffany Simpson (former Desert Devil), who
won all around with a consistent effort. Simpson showed a hop full,
giant full (hop?) to Gienger on
bars. Klara
Kudilkova (Czech Republic)
appears
to be in terrific shape, and was 3rd AA with 38.8x with a fall
(beam). Kudilkova combined European-style folk music on floor with
a
high piked full-in
(nailed!), front full, and double full punch front
dismount
for a 2nd place 9.85. Klara, a '93 World's finalist on vault
(stuck pike front), also showed a two release bars set (Tkachev, Gienger)
and double back off beam.
Michelle Campi competed (on beam only) with cheers from her former
club
mates.
I noticed that Michelle took extra care in warming up her neck
and back just prior to one touch warmups. She threw a ff layout, a Popa,
and a controlled "fish jump" to "oak
tree" to split handstand, 1/4 turn
lower to
an arabesque (held) for a 9.7x (break on layout). She has
matured
physically and appears relatively strong.
Reportedly, her
recovery is going much
better than expected and perhaps we will see her
eventually
compete in other events.
_____________________________________
*****Item number
1.11.2*****
From: ***@aol.com
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 17:26:27
-0500
Subject: Univ. of Iowa vs. Northen Ill. (W)
report
Feb. 3, 1996
University of Iowa Fieldhouse
Iowa City,
Iowa
Iowa (UI) vs. Northern Illinois (NIU)
Iowa
hosted Northern in their first home meet of the season. Despite the -60+
temperature, a nice crowd had gathered to witness a record
setting evening of
Iowa Gymnastics. Iowa was coming off of a very rough
meet (counting 4+ falls
per event) at SEMO, and
Northern was coming into the meet with a 2-0-1 dual
record.
Pre-Meet
Notes:
Iowa's Fab Freshman----
Elizabeth Bryant-out with torn
ACL
Tiffany Chapman-didn't compete tonight, multiple injuries
Christine
Roselli-competed all but beam. I felt that she should
of been in
the beam line
up, though.( Her usual routine includes among other skills: a
Silivas mount, double turn, aerial cartwheel, and a gainer
flip flop to
shushanova
with 1/4 twist. Toes pointed.)
Beth Brown-she seems to improve everytime I see her. Tonight she had a solid
meet, no falls or wobbles. Swung the best bars of the meet.
She's going to be
good.
Shrutika
Sulkar-best choreographed floor routine. Absolutely beautiful. She's
one
of the best dancers of the team. Also to note were her bars---giants
facing the low bar to a back tuck. (tsuk off bars?)
Lori Whitwer-now
she was good. Very confident, powerful. Her only break
was a
fall on her normally solid bhs-layout-bhs on beam, she ended
with an open
tuck front full dismount.
First
rotation highlights. (keep in mind I am totally biased
towards Iowa :-)
Iowa started on vault, and from there just went up and to
the top. Christine
Roselli orbited a 1/2-2/1 for
a 9.5, and Shelly Burns stuck a hs
front tuck,
all the more remarkable because she's
coming off 4 knee surgeries. Lori
Whitwer stuck 2
handspring fronts for a "perfect" 9.90. Kim Baker decided
that whatever the freshman could do, she could do also, and
she proved it by
sticking her 2 handspring pike
fronts for a 10. She also claimed a new Iowa
school
record on vault. I wasn't watching most of NIU's bars, but multiple
falls told the story there.
2nd Rotation:
Iowa went
to bars, NIU to vault. Someone from NIU got a 9.925, but I missed
the vault. Sorry!!! Back to bars.
Beth Brown flowed through an excellent bar
routine
for a 9.825 and a new school record for Iowa. Christine Roselli
floated an uprise hs to tkatchev which was about 3
feet above the highbar. As
I said earlier about Shrutika Sulkar's bar routine..she does giants
facing
the low bar. WOW. Lori Whitwer
thew an uprise hs, free hip full, gienger
combo, and Kim Baker rocked her jaeger and double tuck for a
9.80. No falls
from Iowa today on bars.
3rd
Rotation
Iowa went to face beam, NIU to floor. I caught a couple of NIU's
floor
routines. They had nice tumbling, but not so
strong dance. Iowa's beam was
polished and
extended. Iowa showed some unique skills such as Lori Whitwer's
reverse planche to regular planche. Her reverse is done with split legs and
since the audience was seated with a look straight down the
beam,. they got
the full
effect. Her back leg is almost below beam level. Awesome!!! Kim
Baker did a
split jump punch front and stuck double tuck to tie her own
school record at 9.85. Another skill to note was Beth
Brown's tuck open swing
down, and her switchleap to shushnova.
4th
Rotation:
Iowa went to floor, NIU to beam. I did not see beam, but they had
a wide
range of scores from 7.6 to 9.85. Christine
Roselli opened for Iowa on floor
with possibly the best popa I've
ever seen. (we're talking much greater than
180 split,
completed turn, it seemed to float) She also tumbled a 1 1/2
through to a double full (I think) and her dance was very
nice, every
position was defined. Jodie Grey owns
the best shushnova (it's better than
the drawing in the Code) and also has the best hands and
upper body work.
Lori Whitwer did a double tuck , double full punch front, stuck front full
and very nice dance for a 9.825. Kim Baker tied her floor
school record with
a 9.85 (front thru to double
tuck, double tuck, and I missed her last pass)
Shrutika
Sulkar can DANCE, and she smiled through the whole
routine.
Sorry for the lack of detail on NIU, but I couldn't help but
watch Iowa as
their momentum built throughout the
night. Everyone had a good meet,
and
they had great team spirit.
FINAL
RESULTS:
note--the announcers were so kind as
to not read off scores after each
rotation/gymnasts
routine. Sorry for the lack of detail!!!!
Iowa----192.725 (new record,
yes really)
Northern----190.1
AA---1. Kim
Baker UI 39.4 (new record)
3. Lori Whitwer UI 38.2
(w/fall)
VAULT
1. Kim Baker UI 10.0 (new record)
3. Lori Whitwer UI
9.9
BARS 1. Beth Brown UI 9.825 (new record)
= Sandy Mernard NIU 9.825
BEAM 1. Kim Baker UI 9.85
FLOOR
1. Kim Baker UI 9.85
2. Lori Whitwer UI 9.825
_____________________________________
*****Item number
1.11.3*****
From: ***@proctr.cba.ua.edu
Date:
Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:56:51 CDT
Subject: Alabama
vs. Georgia (W) report
Georgia vs. Alabama
A MUST READ!!
Georgia
was absolutely unbelievable. Since
an update has been given
with scores and all, I
want to give highlights about Georgia's skills.
Vault:
All 10.0
start value except for 1. 3 Piked fronts and 2 Pike fronts
w/ 1/2--Leah Brown and Karin Lichey.
Bars: Unbelievable
Lori Strong has 3
E's. She does 2 hop-fulls in a row right into a
Tkatchev. She dismounts with a double layout.
Leslie
Angeles does a full-pirouette into an immediate full-twisting
Tkatchev(Shush.)
She also added a 1 1/2 piroutte on top of the
bar.
Leah Brown; 1 1/2 twisting pirouette into a Jager,
Tkatchev and
dismounted
with a DOUBLE FRONT.
Stacey Galloway(I believe it
was her) also dismounted with a DOUBLE
FRONT.
Karin Lichey;
high piked Jager, double layout(10.0 from one judge)
Beam:
Julie Ballard
mounts with a front PIKE on
Lichey does a Miller(perfectly)
Dismounts:
4 DOUBLE BACKS
1
Double full
1 RO FF Double full
Floor:
2 Pike full-ins
3
double backs for final pass
All D final passes except for 1.
******Georgia
would have scored over 198.00 if they wouldn't have
had
to count a fall on beam and an extra swing on
bars by Julie
Ballard(they had to throw out Leah
Brown's because she fell on her
seat on her double
front dismount).
So, 197.425 + 0.5 + 0.3= 198.225, this doesn't even
include the bonus
points they may have lost for
the falls.
They deserved 98% of the scores they received.
They truly
have international level difficulty, especially on bars!!!
Georgia
coach explained that they wouldn't be scoring this high the
rest of the season because they planned to peak at this meet
and down
time later.
If Georgia hits all their
routines at Nationals, no body can touch
them.
Alabama
was without the service of Merritt Booth.
Bama had to count
2 misses on vault and
only had 5 up 5 count on floor, so they
probably
could have had maybe .5 with Merritt, missed especially on
vault because she has a 10.0 vault. Bama only
competed 2 10.0
vaults.
Roll Tide!!
Shawn
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:11:46
-0500
From: ***@GNATNET.NET
Subject:
Re: NCAA Women's Team
I hope UCLA does do better, since they are my
second favorite team. I
understand what you are saying about the judges, and agree
that it must
have something to do with it, but it
certainly doesn't make the entire
difference
between 19th and the top five or six.
I also agree that
scoring in the NCAA is
too high, but Georgia is NOT the only team
benefiting
from East Coast judging. I resent
that statement, and I feel
that Georgia deserves
to be #1!
GO DAWGS! SIC 'EM!
Kerry
>
> >
Does anyone know what's up with UCLA?
I notice that they are ranked
> > 19th! A lot of people were expecting them to
contend for the top 3.
> > They seem to be doing really badly on bars
and beam (19-bars, not even
> > top 20 on
beam). They have great gymnasts in
Homma and Umeh, and
> > judging
from last season, the rest of their team must be pretty strong,
> > too.
>
> At least part of this has to do with
the fact that west coast judges
> (especially
southern Cal judges) tend not to be on the same drugs that the
> rest of the judges in the country are on. I mean, come one, does *anyone*
>
who's not a Georgia fan believe that *any* team is
good enough to be
> averaging 9.9 per routine? And even if they are, I guarantee you
that
> there are some teams in the top fifteen
who won't be in the top 25 once
> they get
judged at Regionals (where the scores tend to come down as well
> as become more comparable across Regional boundaries).
>
>
This will also level out a bit once the ranking method changes from High
>
Score to Average (probably next week), and then to RQS (see below).
>
>
I imagine part of it is also due to some inconsistencies on the part of
>
the gymnasts (though I don't recall any reports). Hopefully (for UCLA
> fans, at least) they will hit their peak toward the end of
the year.
> Until last year, they had a habit of peaking late, but
unfortunately, a
> couple of weeks two soon
(great Regional, so-so Nationals).
Last year,
> they did very well at
Nationals, so hopefully they will do the same again
> this
year.
>
> Sorry I can only speculate about the performance
difficulties, but the
> scoring discrepancies
can't be ignored when looking at national rankings.
>
> >
Also, why are region scores posted by Georgia, but not by any other
>
> team?
They haven't gone to regionals or competed with every team in the
>
> region.
>
> The "region"
scores are not actually posted, but rather computed, based on
> the following formula (unless it has changed from last
year):
>
> Take 2 Highest home meet scores, 2 Highest
away meet scores, 2 Next
> highest scores;
throw out the highest and lowest of these scores; and
> average the remaining four scores. This gives the RQS, or Regional
>
Qualifying Score. So, Georgia (and
Ball State) theoretically must have
> completed
five meets, at least two of which were home and two away (a
> sixth score isn't necessary, since it would be dropped
anyway). Steve's
> program might compute an RQS based on just two home and two
away,
> although that leaves no high to toss;
or the equation might have changed
> from last
year.
>
> -Patrick
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:24:50
-0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: GYMN-L Digest - 6 Feb 1996 to 7 Feb 1996
Does anyone who attended
the Peachtree Classic know what new music Jennie
Thompson has and/or what
new music Moceanu, Zmeskal,
and Strug will be using?
Thanx!
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:50:47
-0800
From: ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject:
Kristie
saying that Bela
is good? I thought she said that he was a horrible man
who
almost ruined her life! A change of heart? I think
not. I'm
asuuming that
she wants more money.
I like Bela. I think that he has really
done the best job of producing champions. No matter what
Kristie says,
I believe that Bela really does
care about his gymnasts. Notice that
the only ones
who are complaining are the ones who never made it.
Kristi,IMO, is making someone else take the blame for her
misfortunes.
The ones who were successful(Kim,Mary-Lou, Nadia) have always said how
terrific he is.
If
he is so bad why would Kerri Strug
return to him and why would Kim want to make her come-back
under him?
It doesn't make sense. What other coach do you know of who would
come
out of retirement just for a pupil? Ok, I'm
ready for MY hate mail....
Laura
P.S Anyone know how Kim is????
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:46:49
-0500
From: ***@GNATNET.NET
Subject:
bi-weekly irc chat
Okay, ya'll. Well, since I've heard only positive
reactions about my
suggestion to move the chat to Dalnet in order to alleviate some of the MAJOR
LAG
problems we have had and to make connection easier, everyone please
connect to Dalnet #gymnastics! (with the exclamation point) for our bi-weekly
Gymn chats. You
will be very happy with Dalnet, as it is a smaller
net, and
is never nearly as lagged as Effnet and is much easier to connect to. You
can
connect using any of the servers on the list I provided earlier this
week. I plan to
connect to both Effnet and Dalnet
for the next few chats, so
that, should anyone
have trouble finding the chat on Dalnet, he or she
can
connect to the old channel #gymnastics on Effnet, and I will try to help
(even
though we may be VERY lagged from one another). (I'm sorry I got
kicked
off the computer in the middle of helping you, Gordon E., I was very
sick Monday night.)
Since I cannot view both the Effnet and the Dalnet windows at
the same time,
if you have come to Effnet for help, give me a second to notice you. My
window
might be minimized. If you have any
questions or problems, feel free
to e-mail me or
talk to me on #gymnastics! on Dalnet. I am there on
#gymnastics!
most nights from 10pm-midnight EST.
When you are
connecting to the chat, remember that it is #gymnastics! with
an
exclamation point! Otherwise, you'll be one channel over
with no one to talk
to. :-(
Remember, the Gymn irc chats are Sundays at 2pm
EST and Monday 10pm EST!
Happy gymming!
Kerry
(or, as I am known on the Gymn irc
chats, Gymdawg)
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:55:34
-0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
UPCOMING MEETS: 1996 Buckeye Classic
WHAT: The 13th annual Buckeye
Classic, sponsered by Revco, will feature more
than 100 teams and 2000 gymnasts from across the country.
Probably the
largest yearly invite in the U.S,
past competitors have included many
prominient
national team members.
DATES/TIMES: Feb. 16 (Friday) 9:30 am - 10:30
pm
Feb.
17 (Saturday) 9:30 am - 10:30 pm
Feb. 18 (Sunday) 9:30 am - 8:00 pm
Friday night at 4:45 pm all
athletes will take place in an "Olympic-like
opening
ceremony" hosted by the Columbus mayor (Greg Lashutka)
and featuring
astronaut Nancy Currie.
The
"open finals competition"- where the top athletes compete - will
take
place at 2:20 pm on Saturday.
WHERE:
The Celeste Center at the Ohio State Fairgrounds (717 E 17th Ave.
Columbus,
Ohio 614-294-1111)
TICKETS: each ticket is good for one full days sessions and training, adults
($8) and children ($6).
For further ticket info, or any
other information, call the "Revco Buckeye
Classic Hotline" at
614-882-1783.
-Susan
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 21:08:19
-0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: UPCOMING MEETS: 1996 Buckeye Classic
>The "open finals
competition"- where the top athletes compete - will
>take place at 2:20 pm on Saturday.
Oops! I meant to
say SUNDAY
*not* Saturday, is when the the elite (and level
10)
competition will be held.
-Susan
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 18:57:36
PST
From: ***@CISCO.COM
Subject:
Re: Kristie Phillips
I suppose that all other fields are devoid of
people who decide at some
later time that the
activity they originally claimed was awful/etc/etc
wasn't so bad after
all? (Usually this happens with
some phase of the
educational process. A highschool
classmate of mine was quoted in the
school paper
just before graduation saying "I wouldn't let this &^!@# school
wipe the ^!@#^ off my &@^#!". Next time I saw him was four years
later
(after college) when I visitted
the high school again - he was wearing a
jacket
and serving as a substitute history teacher (having acquired a BA in
history, I think.)
His comment was essentially "I changed my mind.")
Chops
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:12:34
-0800
From: ***@UCDAVIS.EDU
Subject:
Unsubscribe
Hi,
I'd
like to unsubscribe to gymn. Thank you.
-Laura
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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 01:31:45
-0500
From: ***@GNATNET.NET
Subject:
#gymn
Ok, ya'll,
I'd like to ammend my last e-mail. D. Dynna and I
realized that
it would be a lot easier for people
to remember the channel #gymn than
#gymnastics! with the exclamation
point, so the bi-weekly Gymn chat will be
Sundays
2pm EST and Mondays 10pm EST on #gymn .
Happy gymming,
Kerry
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