GYMN-L Digest - 6 Mar 1996 to 7 Mar 1996 - Special issue

There are 21 messages totalling 628 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

1. Test
2. IG Complaint
3. GYMN-L Digest - 4 Mar 1996 to 5 Mar 1996
4. American Cup JPGs
5. Chusovitina's bar dismount
6. Jekyll Island (3)
7. GymFest 95
8. unsubscribing
9. Gymnastics Magazines
10. Kristy Powell and the Forresters
11. <No subject given>
12. Unsubscribing
13. Full-in PF (fwd)
14. Double double (fwd)
15. Yvonne's gym address (fwd)
16. Houston Chronicle Interactive
17. Michelle Campi article
18. RSG results of Paris Intl.
19. Doni Thompson

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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:51:38 +0100
From: ***@PI.NET
Subject: Test

Sorry if this test gets through. I have tried several times to place
a message in the forum but it never worked. Anyway, if people would
like to visit my home page, you're welcome:
http://www.pi.net/~cetate
it's has got a whole new page design! If people would like to
help me with the home page, just e-mail to vangosliga@pi.net
or cetate@pi.net.

Frans

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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:08:42 -0500
From: ***@PHARM.MED.UPENN.EDU
Subject: Re: IG Complaint

>
>I was disappointed to hear about IG's lack of interest in a piece on
>an NCAA team--I would look forward to reading such a story, and think
>it is an important one to tell. Not only is there some amazing gymnastics
>going on in college domes that is worthy of coverage in its own right, but
>a closer look at the life of adult female gymnasts would be welcome. Given
>the tenor of the criticisms leveled at women's gymnastics--that it is
> exclusively

>As for alternatives for this info, I'm at a loss.
>
>--Mary Lynne


I guess the men's gymnastics at the NCAA level is just too boring to be
covered, I mean they are only the ones who comprise the INTERNATIONAL USA
team, well, except Mihai and MacReady -- all the rest are a product of NCAA
gymnastics -- but of course we wouldn't want to cover them!

Mayland

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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:33:34 -0500
From: ***@JMU.EDU
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 4 Mar 1996 to 5 Mar 1996

Please delete me form you list server.

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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:05:27 -0800
From: ***@LELAND.STANFORD.EDU
Subject: Re: American Cup JPGs

On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, DLP wrote:

> I have put a few JPGs from the American Cup at
>
> ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/ta/talloo/amercup/

This should actually be ....../amcup/

Well, I won't make a value judgement; maybe it should be "amercup." :}
Right now, though, it is "amcup."

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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:22:23 CDT
From: ***@PROCTR.CBA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Chusovitina's bar dismount

Concerning Elfi's comment that Chusovitina's dismount was fairly
simple, I think Elfi meant to say that it was just a simple dismount for
her level, like she could do a harder one. I do believe that she did a
full-out,
which is named after her on bars.
Anyone know the name of the music that Kristy Powell used? It's the
same piece that Lori Strong of Georgia is using this year.

Shawn
***************ROLL TIDE ROLL***************

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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:40:45 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Jekyll Island

Could anyone tell me what international team will be compiting at the Golden
Isles Classic.

Sandra

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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:59:18 -0500
From: ***@YFN.YSU.EDU
Subject: GymFest 95

Does anyone know if the coverage for GymFest '95
has appeared in USA Gymnastics or Technique yet?

A friend of mine should have some photos and I'd
like to see them.

They may even be cover photos?

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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:59:54 -0500
From: ***@IC3.ITHACA.EDU
Subject: unsubscribing

Hi, I accidently lost the instructions on how to unsubscibe to GYMN could
anybody help me please...It is an assignment for one of my classes. If
somebody could PLEASE e-mail me (Mlee1@ic3.ithaca.edu) ASAP seeing that
the assignment is due tomorrow I would really appreciate it!!!

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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:03:44 -0500
From: ***@GNATNET.NET
Subject: Re: Jekyll Island

Coincedentally, I'm calling Diamond Club Gymnastics this afternoon to
make sure that I have the right time for the meet. I'll be driving up
to Jekyll Island this Saturday to see the meet. :) If anyone else is
going, I'd love to meet you.
Kerry

Sandy - wrote:
>
> Could anyone tell me what international team will be compiting at the Golden
> Isles Classic.
>
> Sandra

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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:15:21 -0500
From: ***@GNATNET.NET
Subject: Re: Jekyll Island

ok, i just called, and Malasyia will be bringing 5 kids and England will
be bringing 4.
Kerry

Sandy - wrote:
>
> Could anyone tell me what international team will be compiting at the Golden
> Isles Classic.
>
> Sandra

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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:19:51 -0600
From: ***@CARLETON.EDU
Subject: Gymnastics Magazines

Only once in my life have I actually been able to find a place selling IG
and that was in Singapore. Do any bookstores actually sell gymnastics
magazines. I don't really want a subscription, but from time to time I
want to buy one. Please net me know of any major bookstores that do sell
them.

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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:30:07 -0500
From: ***@FURMAN.EDU
Subject: Re: Kristy Powell and the Forresters

>Correct me if I am wrong, but> Theresa Kulikowski was a World team member, and
is ranked 7th in >the country right now after the American Classic. Kulikowski
was also in
>Fort Worth, you can see her sitting next to Powell after Powell's beam
>routine. Why, if we had an open spot for a fourth competitor, wasn't
>Kulikowski asked to compete? Or was she?

I read an newspaper article at the end of last week (my memory is failing...it
was either _USA Today_ or _The Atlanta Journal and Constitution_) that said that
Kulikowski was, in fact, invited to compete at the American Cup after the last
minute withdrawals. Apparently, she actually traveled to Fort Worth, TX but had
to pull out prior to the meet due to a sore ankle.

Amy

(If anyone wants to ask me about my trivia questions, the one listed is no
longer my correct address. The correct one is: Scherer_Amy/furman@furman.edu)

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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:31:16 -0800
From: ***@LELAND.STANFORD.EDU
Subject: <No subject given>

GYMN-L's Collegiate Update
Volume 1, no. 19
Mar. 6, 1996
_____________________________________________________________________

Contents:

1. Temple vs. Syracuse (M)
2. UI-Chicago vs. Michigan State (M)
3. NCGA Championships (W?)
4. Stanford vs. ASU (W)

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*****Item number 1.19.1*****

Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:50:04 -0500
From: ***@pharm.med.upenn.edu
Subject: Temple vs. Syracuse (M)

Temple Univ. vs Syracuse Univ.
Syracuse, NY
Sunday, March 3, 1996



FX PH R V PB HB
Syracuse 38475 36650 38100 38200 37800 37375 226600

Temple 38625 36850 37350 37000 36650 38025 224500


ALL-AROUND
FX PH R V PB HB TOTAL
Ofri Porat 9825 9300 9750 9700 9400 9400 57.375 1 Syracuse
Kenny Sykes 9800 9600 9050 9300 9250 9350 56.350 2 Temple
Shane Geraghty 9650 8750 9350 9350 9550 9600 56.250 3 Syracuse
Aaron Vexler 9450 9050 9150 9200 8750 9450 55.050 4 Temple
Jason Krane 9525 8400 9450 9150 8950 9450 54.925 5 Temple

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Date: 04 Mar 96 23:55:34 EST
From: ***@compuserve.com
Subject: UI-Chicago vs. Michigan State (M)

Men's Gymnastics

University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC) Flames vs. Michigan State
March 3, 1996 at UIC

Final Score: UIC 227.550, MS 225.675

All-Around: 1st Joe Duda (MS) 56.55, 2nd Norm Stutz (MS) 56.225, 3rd Chase
Penny (UIC) 55.60, 4th Carey Reddick (UIC) 54.60


UIC FX PH R V PB HB
R. Gargano 8.85 9.60 0.00 0.00 9.25 0.00
S. Grosvenor 9.40 0.00 0.00 0.00 9.45 9.65
R. Knight 0.00 0.00 0.00 9.00 0.00 0.00
J. Koonce 0.00 8.10 0.00 8.90 9.10 9.20
D. Masciola 0.00 9.75 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
C. Nelson 0.00 0.00 9.30 0.00 0.00 0.00
J. Orna 0.00 0.00 9.70 0.00 0.00 0.00
J. Page 0.00 0.00 9.30 0.00 0.00 0.00
C. Penny 9.60 9.80 9.30 9.10 9.20 8.60
C. "Country" Reddick 9.10 9.10 8.15 9.30 9.65 9.30
G. "G-man" Robinson 9.30 9.55 0.00 9.25 0.00 9.40
S. "Hambone" Welker 9.90 0.00 9.30 9.30 9.60 9.80

MSU FX PH R V PB HB
K. Baker 9.00 8.50 0.00 0.00 9.20 8.75
J. Becker 0.00 0.00 0.00 9.10 0.00 0.00
S. Bello 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 9.25 9.00
K. Douglas 9.45 0.00 0.00 9.05 0.00 0.00
J. Duda 9.60 9.50 9.50 8.85 9.40 9.50
J. Newman 9.05 0.00 0.00 9.20 8.35 0.00
C. Skidmore 0.00 9.65 9.50 0.00 0.00 0.00
S. Smith 0.00 9.75 9.10 9.10 9.25 9.20
E. Sterk 9.25 9.75 9.10 9.20 9.30 9.60
N. Stutz 9.25 8.20 9.40 0.00 0.00 9.55

Recipient of the Wm. Roetzheim Athletic Excellence Award:
Shannon Welker

Recipients of the Robert Gunnells Memorial Award for Gymnastics Excellence:
Seniors Chase Penny and Gareth Robinson.

Bonus: Origin of nicknames "hambone" and "country"
Carey Reddick is from Paragould, Arkansas, and nicknamed country.
Shannon Welker was heavier at one time and supposedly broke springboards with
his girth. Apparently named after a guest on an Oprah Winfrey show named
"hambone" who weighed 1000 pounds.

P.S.If any of you UIC guys see this and want a copy of their photos, e-mail me.

Dana

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*****Item number 1.19.3*****

Date: Tue, 5 Mar 96 11:15:47 -0600
From: ***@cowley.uwlax.edu
Subject: NCGA Championships (W?)

Congratulations to Springfield College on their first NCGA
Championship. This championship was the most exciting to date!
Hamline University broke into the top three for the first time to
place second. SUNY-Brockport was third. UW-LaCrosse was fourth. A
five tenth difference separated second and fourth!

Congratulations to all the finalists and All-Americans. A special
congrats to Shannon MaGee ,of Gustavus Adolphus College, named
Outstanding Senior of the Year!

Next year, March 21 & 22 at the University of Wisconsin-LaCrosse!
See ya there!

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*****Item number 1.19.4*****

From: Kathy W
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 96 04:00:00 UTC 0000
Subject: Stanford vs. ASU (W)

Chili's Red Hot Invitational - Stanford vs. ASU - Friday, Mar. 1, 1996

The Arizona State University Sundevils left the sunny clime of Tempe
and headed north to the foggy world of Stanford, CA for the Chili's Red Hot
Invitational. It was the first time this season that this reporter had seen
either Stanford or ASU in action. I wondered how ASU would do since Tina
Brinkman (a.k.a. The Energizer Bunny) had graduated. What effect would the
new coaching staff have on Stanford? The Stanford Cardinals had begun the
season with a 189. Their team score had climbed with each meet, finally
reaching a 192.95. Was there any more in this team? Tonight was a chance
for both teams to prove themselves.
On vault ASU outscored Stanford by .80. ASU had the advantage with a
greater difficulty level in their vaults. Sundevil freshman Marie
Vincijanovic nailed a front pike for a 9.95 (1st.). Teammate Meagan
Wright's front tuck with a half was good for a second (9.925), while senior
Michelle Naia took third (9.90) with her front pike. ASU's 49.30 set score
sent the word to the Cardinals that if they wanted to play with the big
guys, they had to hang tough.
On Bars Stanford answered the call. They out-scored ASU to shave
.125 off of ASU's lead. Sundeveil sophomore Meagan Wright's bar work had a
Miller-Geinger combo and a full-twisting double back dismount to garner her
the top honors (9.85). Two Cardinals Katie Fitzpatrick and Keri Monoham
were right behind with 9.825's. Katie's toe-on-half-double front dismount
was a major crowd pleaser.
On Beam, both teams hit five good routines. Stanford edged closer
to ASU by shaving another tenth off of their lead. Cardinal sophomore, Keri
Monohan hit her front tuck mount, a front on the beam and a double twisting
dismount for a 9.90 and first place. ASU senior, Katie Freeland threw a
front 1 1/2 dismount to top off her 9.85 routine for second place. Her
teammate, Meagan Wright was just behind her (9.825) with a two layout series
and a fantastic sissone/Omelianchek combination.
It was on floor that Stanford showed the greatest changes since last
season. The Cardinals showed off some awesome new front tumbling
combinations, like a three layout-front series, assorted Rudi's and a host
of front-fulls. Cardinal freshaman Amy Murakami took top honors (9.95) with
a Rudi to layout-back, piked double-back, and a double-twist. Teammates
Tracey Kohl and Keri Monohan tied for third with a pair of 9.90's. Kohl
nailed a piked double-back and a front to a Rudi. Monohan hit a front
through to a piked double-back, a whip to a double-twist and a front layout
in her routine.
ASU answered with their own share of awesome front tumbling.
Spectacular Senior, Katie Freeland, had a second place 9.925 with a front-
pike to a double-back and another double-back. Other ASU highlights were:
Michelle Naia's series of three front layouts and a full-twisting
Schushinova that had *WOW* written all over it; Gina Holleran's full
twisting double-back; and Meagan Wright's <<almost>> double-layout, whip-
whip-double-twist, and double-back.
Stanford's floor set of 49.35 was a valiant comeback effort. They
cut ASU's lead to .125. It was close but not enought to grab the lead from
ASU. This was ASU's night. The final score was 195.475 to 195.35.
Stanford's steady rise over the season took a giant step forward
with this meet. They cracked the 195 barrier for a new school record.
Tonight, as Stanford nipped at the heels of ASU, they both showed that they
can play with the big guys.

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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 18:01:39 -0800
From: ***@UCDAVIS.EDU
Subject: Unsubscribing

Hi,
I'd like to unsubscribe to gymn, but I've lost the instructions
that tell me how to do it. Could someone please let me know? Grazie.

-Laura

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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:23:50 -0500
From: ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Full-in PF (fwd)

Sorry if this is a repost, but I'm pretty sure that it wasn't sent the
first time.


When I said the full-in PF was not far behind, I meant that I
don't think it will be too long before Bogi puts it in her floor routine
(I know that it has already been done, I just thought it would be neat to
see Bogi do it). I had a feeling that that would be the skill she was
working on, after seeing how easily she was completing her 2 tuck PFs and
the Rock'n'Roll challenege. Now that I see that she's opening with
full-in again, I'm even more convinced that Bogi will throw the full-in
PF sometime this year. It will be the first time *she* does it in
competition, not the first time that the skill has been done period. I
just wanted to clear this up.
Chris

Still fuming that NBC ignored Tousek.....

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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:24:48 -0500
From: ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Double double (fwd)

Again, I'm resending this because I'm pretty sure it wasn't sent the
first time.


Although the double double is named after Silivas (she was the
first to do it in worlds or olympics) I believe Aleftina Priakhina did
the skill two years before at the European Junior Championships. She was
USSR alternate for Rotterdam 1987, otherwise the move would probably be
named after her...This is very hard for me to admit since Silivas is my
all time favourite gymnast...
Chris.

Yvonne Tousek rules....

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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:25:44 -0500
From: ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Yvonne's gym address (fwd)

Same note as before...I'm sure this wasn't sent the first time...

I just thought I would post Yvonne Tousek's gym address in case
anyone would like to write to her with some support, for those of you who
felt that she should have been shown in the American Cup Broadcast. This
would also be the mailing address for her coach, Elvira Saadi.
Cambridge Kips
PO Box 20012
John Galt Post Office
Cambridge, Ontario Canada
N1R 8C8

Btw, someone was asking how much of a factor Yvonne was in the
meet and that she barely made the finals. Well, she placed 5th, ahead of
three other athletes who were shown, and she probably has a better chance
to make it to the Olympics this year than Sang or Dobrescu do. I just
didn't think it was fair that she was the only woman not to be shown,
especially since her routine was probably one of the highlights of the meet.
They could have shown John later in the broadcast or interviewed him, and
then he could have had a chance to greet everyone at home or whatever. I
just think the broadcast could have been planned better.
Btw I don't just feel this way because Yvonne is Canadian. She
just happens to be a cool gymnast. Debbie can certainly verify that one
for everybody.
Chris.

Yvonne Tousek's #1 fan....

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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 23:41:56 -0500
From: ***@CHELSEA.IOS.COM
Subject: Re: Houston Chronicle Interactive

This goes out ot Patrice and anybody else that has had trouble:

Some of the articles on HCI are protected by this password/user ID
service. I don't know why some are and others aren't, but it's easy to
get around. All you have to do is register with their HCI user wall. When
it denies you access to a certain article, it will give you the option to
register with their Wall. You only have to come up with a log-in name and
your own ID. It will explain this all to you. This must be new because
I've never seen it before. They are just trying to get people to read
their copyright info before they start accessing articles. Whenever you
come to an articl that's protected like this, you just type in your
info and PRESTO! you can read it! If anybody still has a question, I'd be
glad to help!

Courtney
:)

> Has anyone been having trouble accessing this web site? Every time I want to
> view a document it asks me for a paasword and user ID. If anyone can explain
> this problem, I would appreciate it. Thanks.
>
> Patrice
>

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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 01:47:30 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Michelle Campi article

There was an article in this Sunday's Seattle Times (front page of the sports
section !) on Michelle Campi (now competing on BB for the UW Huskies). It
gave a summary of her career and talked about her injuries, her recovery and
some of her thoughts on college gymnastics and her future beyond gymnastics.
She talks about the problems with her former coach Rick Newman, about him
pushing her to do bars skills that she was uncomfortable with as well the
fact that he was romantically involved with her mother and living with the
two of them. She also talks about trying to find new goals and priorities
after elite level gymnastics, and the fact that she's having a lot of fun
with college gymnastics.
This is not a great summary, but it's late and I'm very tired. Since the
Times is not online yet (except the Classifieds), if anyone would like a copy
of the article and accompanying picture, please e-mail your mailing address
to me at ***@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 23:10:10 +0000
From: ***@ALOHA.NET
Subject: RSG results of Paris Intl.

I had to rub my eyes really hard and pinch myself when I saw the RSG
results of the Paris International. Well the RSG judges of this meet
have really done it again this time. Is nothing really sacred
anymore? To those who attended this competition, were the exercises
really that great to receive a 10?

One more thing-Serrano with a 9.95 for clubs--I dont think so-whats
wrong with this picture?

Were there prelims to select the top five--it really is depressing to
see Vitrichenko only able to qualify for ball.

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Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 02:01:10 -0800
From: ***@MCN.ORG
Subject: Re: Doni Thompson

>Also, did anybody else think that Tom Foerster sounded a bit bitter
>about her quitting? I didn't think that was fair treatment of a (what,
>15?) year old on national television (though it could well have been
>nbc's editing of the interview; certainly their own comments tried to
>manufacture a big drama of Tom's fate being at the mercy of the whims of
>teenagers. Please.).

I don't think it's fair to assume that he was bitter and being unfair to her
on TV. My impression was that the point Foerster was making was that it's
wrong to put all your dreams on a teenager. He said that as an adult you
need to keep that in perspective, and then he laughed as if he knew it would
be silly to be bitter about her quitting.

I know you took into consideration that it may have been NBC's editing of
the interview that gave it that slant, but I would be upset if I were Tom
and I read your message. It's a shame when a TV program represents only one
side of a story, and I think it has the same effect when someone posts a
message on a list like this that gives this sort of impression. Many people
who read your message will not have seen the broadcast and will only have
your statement to go by.

I think the same is true for the statements some people have made about Bela
and Bogi being bitter about Dom M. being on the broadcast via satellite. I
think it was ridiculous for them to spend so much time talking to an athlete
who was not there and is not even the best in the country in many people's
opinion. But to say that they were bitter and condescending to her is
reading in something I didn't infer. For those who haven't seen the
broadcast it might seem as if they didn't acknowledge her, when in fact they
kept talking to her and wishing her the best even after the mikes were off them.

I can't say how Tom Foerster or Bela or Bogi really felt, and I'm sure
people had reasons to think what they think about what they saw in the
broadcast. But for someone to say these things on the forum without
explaining what was said may lead to people thinking less of someone over a
misunderstanding and speculation.

I know it's tedious when this list strays from gymnastics to excessive
discussion of media coverage. But I just wanted to mention that some people
aren't around to defend themselves.

Just my lengthy opinion,

Orion

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