GYMN-L Digest - 6 Dec 1995 to 7 Dec 1995

There are 30 messages totalling 767 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

1. China to compete Rhythmic in Atlanta
2. FX QUESTIONS (3)
3. IG (9)
4. Tumbling out of a side somi.
5. Tsuk on FX. (2)
6. Canadian team and Atlanta
7. SI for Kids
8. Current Talk: IG's lack of International Information
9. Some code questions
10. New Subscriber (2)
11. IG - How to make a change?
12. New Member (2)
13. Sullivan nominees and REACT
14. "unsubscribe"
15. Fx Questions
16. Questions...
17. Quad twist

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 06:31:20 -0700
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject: China to compete Rhythmic in Atlanta

Some of you may remember that China finished 8th at the Rhythmic World
Championships, which was a controversial ranking (see December IG,
Rhythmic Worlds article by Nancy Raymond). Eight teams compete in
Atlanta, but because the USA has a pre-qualified berth, China did not
qualify. However, apparently this has been changed -- officials
thought that China deserved to compete -- and so China will now
compete due to a "glitch" in the qualifying procedures. So, there
will be nine rhythmic teams in Atlanta.

Rachele

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 08:42:43 -0500
From: ***@YALE.EDU
Subject: Re: FX QUESTIONS


> > 9)Anyone seen anyone do a quad twist?
>
> A Soviet power tumbler at the '91 Sports Acro World Cup (or Champs?) in
> Japan did double layout through to quad twist. Only a small step on the
> landing. Incredible.
>

I recall hearing way back when that Michelle Dusserre was working them on
BB and FX.

:)
Adriana

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:01:28 -0500
From: ***@MERLE.ACNS.NWU.EDU
Subject: Re: FX QUESTIONS

> 9)Anyone seen anyone do a quad twist?
>

I saw Steve Elliot do a quad twist at Woodward Gymnastics Camp about 10 yrs
ago. I don't remember if he did one on the regular 40x40 gymnastics mat,
but he was standing them up in the resi pit. Awesome!


- Allison

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 15:11:14 +0100
From: ***@STH.FRONTEC.SE
Subject: IG

Just a little detail from the wide world of gymnastics:
here in Sweden I got my IG today, December 6. The
November issue.

/ Anja

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 16:12:43 +0100
From: ***@STH.FRONTEC.SE
Subject: IG

In my opinion, IG really needs to establish some contacts
abroad and change its current philosophy in order to deserve
the name "International".

The November issue looked like this:

Coverage: US gymnast
Pages 4-5: US gymnast picture
6: International (no pictures)
7: 1/2 US gymnast picture + US letters
8-22 (!!!!): US World Team Trials. My objections: 1) 15
pages!!! 2) They were only *trials*!! 3) All other
countries have trials, too. They aren't coveraged at
all. The US coverage of *15* pages included *5* 1/1
and one 2/3 color pictures!!
24-27: International (3 out of 8 pictures US gymnasts)
Center: US gymnast color poster
31: 1/2 page international (no picts)
32: 1/2 page international (no picts)
36-37: Story on US coaches, quite unknown and with no
particular coaching success. Boring!!
38-39: IG People - EVERYTHING ON AMERICANS
40-41: Finally, the one and only article on an non-US
gymnast (Lisenko), but then of course she's living
in the US now...
43: Bart and Nadia
44-45: US movies
46-49: BART CONNER GOLF!!!! 4 whole pages, 15 color
pictures!!!!!!!!! Bart might be an important person
in the American gymnastics community, but does he
really deserve articles in *every* IG issue?!? Is
fundraising golf for Oklahoma's youth worth 4 pages
and numerous pictures in an international magazine??
OUTRAGEOUS!
51: Bela

What do you all think about this? Most of you on this list
are Americans (I'm not) - do you feel the same way as I
feel?

Luckily, the December issue covers the Worlds, so maybe
I won't be so mad when I get it...


/ Anja

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:07:30 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: Tumbling out of a side somi.

What I meant was has anyone ever seen someone tumble a
BACK Side somi and then do a punch front into another tumbling series?


That is, a tumbling pass which starts going in one direction and the
gymnast ends up doing a 90 degree direction change and ends up going
another direction? It would certainly be new compared to dual direction
tumbling runs?

Jeff

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:09:44 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: Tsuk on FX.

I've seen this in the code of points along time ago (back when there was
such a thing as "2 C's and R" (!) It is a move on BB (dismount) and a
snap down back somi is a dismount on PBARS and RINGS, too. Never saw
it on FX yet, so wondering if anyone has ever seen it,

Jeff

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:49:35 -0500
From: ***@MOOSE.UVM.EDU
Subject: Re: IG

You know.....I think you are absolutely right. I never actually thought
about it that much, but now that it has been brought up, I feel the same
way. There aren't really any in depth articles on the International side.
It would be nice to see how everyone else is doing in the world.

Jennifer

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:53:24 EST
From: ***@BIOMED.QUEENSU.CA
Subject: Canadian team and Atlanta

I just realized that the Canadian women's team didn't place in the top 12 at
Worlds. That means they are not going to Atlanta, doesn't it? Any fellow
Canadians want to comment on that? I'm a bit upset!

anne

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 12:38:39 -0500
From: ***@EAGLE.LHUP.EDU
Subject: Re: IG

While you have a point regarding the "international aspect", the majority
of subscribers are from the US and unfortunately for the forgein
subscribers business is business.

Julie

> In my opinion, IG really needs to establish some contacts
> abroad and change its current philosophy in order to deserve
> the name "International".
>
> The November issue looked like this:
>
> Coverage: US gymnast
> Pages 4-5: US gymnast picture
> 6: International (no pictures)
> 7: 1/2 US gymnast picture + US letters
> 8-22 (!!!!): US World Team Trials. My objections: 1) 15
> pages!!! 2) They were only *trials*!! 3) All other
> countries have trials, too. They aren't coveraged at
> all. The US coverage of *15* pages included *5* 1/1
> and one 2/3 color pictures!!
> 24-27: International (3 out of 8 pictures US gymnasts)
> Center: US gymnast color poster
> 31: 1/2 page international (no picts)
> 32: 1/2 page international (no picts)
> 36-37: Story on US coaches, quite unknown and with no
> particular coaching success. Boring!!
> 38-39: IG People - EVERYTHING ON AMERICANS
> 40-41: Finally, the one and only article on an non-US
> gymnast (Lisenko), but then of course she's living
> in the US now...
> 43: Bart and Nadia
> 44-45: US movies
> 46-49: BART CONNER GOLF!!!! 4 whole pages, 15 color
> pictures!!!!!!!!! Bart might be an important person
> in the American gymnastics community, but does he
> really deserve articles in *every* IG issue?!? Is
> fundraising golf for Oklahoma's youth worth 4 pages
> and numerous pictures in an international magazine??
> OUTRAGEOUS!
> 51: Bela
>
> What do you all think about this? Most of you on this list
> are Americans (I'm not) - do you feel the same way as I
> feel?
>
> Luckily, the December issue covers the Worlds, so maybe
> I won't be so mad when I get it...
>
>
> / Anja
>

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 10:05:05 -0800
From: ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: Re: IG

> While you have a point regarding the "international aspect", the majority
> of subscribers are from the US and unfortunately for the forgein
> subscribers business is business.

On the other hand, though, the name of the magazine *is* _International
Gymnast_. :) And there did used to be better coverage of non-US meets in
the 1970's and 1980's, IMHO. Remember the good old days when we could
look forward to reports about (or at least results from) Moscow News,
Riga, Cottbus, Intl. Hungarian Champs., Balkan Champs., Kosice, various
national champs., dual meets, etc.?

Debbie

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 16:08:55 -30000
From: ***@USAID.GOV
Subject: SI for Kids

Apologies if this has already been posted...

Sports Illustrated for Kids (December) has a full page photo of Dominique
Moceanu, accompanied by a short article that summarizes her career so far and
describes her relationship with Nadia. The magazine also contains a sheet of
sports cards, and one of them is of Dominique (picture on the front, vital
stats and bio on the back).

-----gestes

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 16:37:29 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: IG

I am American, but I definitely agree with your oppinion of IG. I would much
rather see more in depth coverage of international meets than another boring
story about coaches or Bart Conner. I was also disappointed with their
coverage of Worlds because they only had one page on event finals and they
didn't go very much in depth. I don't even think they described the routines
of every medalist. Not that this is a big deal, but I was hoping for a
poster of Podkopayeva (she did win the meet, after all) but found Mo instead.
I do like that they covered US world team trials, but it would have been
better if they had articles on the other country's trials as well.
~Liz

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 14:46:00 PST
From: ***@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: IG

I couldnt agree with you more...




If Bart and Nadia farted in a bottle, Paul Ziert would sell it as
perfume.


-PJ

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 17:44:59 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: Current Talk: IG's lack of International Information

Has anyone ever complained to IG itself? I haven't seen the magazine in years,
but I always liked to read about the international meets because that is
where the international stars of the future soon pop up. I remember reading
about a young Bogi who tied Agache for the INternational Champs of Hungary.
Would be nice to see more international material, but I guess that there
is less opportunity to send correspondents to teh four corners of the globe
than to say the American Classic.


Is there anyone from a non-US country (not canada, either) who knows of
a source for such information to supply IG and others.

You know, with the ever growing INTERNET and with the wealth of information
obtained from this list about meets, I am surprised that they there can not
be more information flowing to IG than there is now.

It must be surprising to a new subscriber to this list if who just follows the
sport from what they see on television to actually see how many international
meets there are per year.

Jeff

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 18:00:08 -0500
From: ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Some code questions

Hi there.
Could someone out there with a code answer some questions for me?
On UB, what is the value of the hecht to the highbar (like the one in
the compulsory), as well as the straight body hecht from low to high (like
Podkopayeva and Taresevich do)? I was thinking that the UB compulsory would
have a very high start value if scored as per optional rules (especially if
you take the swing all the way to handstand prior to the straddle back
handstand, which most of the top gymnasts do, since that is a D). Is a cast
handstand pirouette a C? What are the values of a blind turn immediate full
pirouette to mixed (eagle/under) grip? What about a front giant full
pirouette to mixed grip?
On FX, will a 2 1/2 to a flyspring get any connection bonus, now that
the flyspring is only an A?
Thanks in advance to anyone who can answer these questions for me.
Chris.

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 19:06:02 -0500
From: ***@COLUMBIA.EDU
Subject: Re: IG

I think it is wrong to assume that because the majority of subscribers are
from the US they would want to see mostly US coverage. I know that isn't
true for me and I would imagine others feel the same. I was definitely
disappointed in the golf article, too, and of course I am still upset
every month to encounter the negativism displayed in the editorial column.
I keep wondering about how young gymnasts everywhere must feel when (if)
they read Ziert's harsh commentary, and what kind of impression it is
leaving them with as they participate in the sport.

On another (yet related) note, I have wondered whether IG is trying too
hard to appeal to a diverse audience in terms of age (younger kids through
adults). I don't subscribe to USA Gymnastics' magazine and maybe that's
more age-specific, but I know I often feel that the writing in the IG
articles could be much more extensive, complex and analytical (if people
were interested). I'm aware that financially it makes no sense to branch
off into two, but it's still good to think about...

Finally, the photography in the December issue was beautiful, I thought,
and the quality of Dave Black's seemed especially impressive (although
not to take away from the others). Lilia Podkapaeva looks like Superwoman!

Cheers-

Rebecca

> While you have a point regarding the "international aspect", the majority
> of subscribers are from the US and unfortunately for the forgein
> subscribers business is business.
>
>
>
>
> > In my opinion, IG really needs to establish some contacts
> > abroad and change its current philosophy in order to deserve
> > the name "International".
> >
> > The November issue looked like this:
> >
> > Coverage: US gymnast
> > Pages 4-5: US gymnast picture
> > 6: International (no pictures)
> > 7: 1/2 US gymnast picture + US letters
> > 8-22 (!!!!): US World Team Trials. My objections: 1) 15
> > pages!!! 2) They were only *trials*!! 3) All other
> > countries have trials, too. They aren't coveraged at
> > all. The US coverage of *15* pages included *5* 1/1
> > and one 2/3 color pictures!!
> > 24-27: International (3 out of 8 pictures US gymnasts)
> > Center: US gymnast color poster
> > 31: 1/2 page international (no picts)
> > 32: 1/2 page international (no picts)
> > 36-37: Story on US coaches, quite unknown and with no
> > particular coaching success. Boring!!
> > 38-39: IG People - EVERYTHING ON AMERICANS
> > 40-41: Finally, the one and only article on an non-US
> > gymnast (Lisenko), but then of course she's living
> > in the US now...
> > 43: Bart and Nadia
> > 44-45: US movies
> > 46-49: BART CONNER GOLF!!!! 4 whole pages, 15 color
> > pictures!!!!!!!!! Bart might be an important person
> > in the American gymnastics community, but does he
> > really deserve articles in *every* IG issue?!? Is
> > fundraising golf for Oklahoma's youth worth 4 pages
> > and numerous pictures in an international magazine??
> > OUTRAGEOUS!
> > 51: Bela
> >
> > What do you all think about this? Most of you on this list
> > are Americans (I'm not) - do you feel the same way as I
> > feel?
> >
> > Luckily, the December issue covers the Worlds, so maybe
> > I won't be so mad when I get it...
> >
> >
> > / Anja
> >
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 14:25:03 CST
From: ***@ATT.COM
Subject: New Subscriber

Hi! My name is Ray and I am the proud grandfather
of 4 beautiful grandkids ranging in age from 4 through 8 years
old.

I have really never been that interested in gymnastics before
except for the last couple of years. Our oldest grandchild
(Jessica, who turned 8 last September) has been in gymnastics
for about 3 years now. We started going to her meets last
year and we really enjoy it. She is at level 5 and is a member
of our local recreation center team, which consists of girls
ranging in age from 7 to 14 yrs. old. The team instructors are
former gymnists who are basically volunteering their time
to run the gymnastics program. They compete against other
towns throughout the Chicago suburban area.

Anywho...after going to a bunch of her meets last year and
a couple this year, I'm convinced that she has a lot of
potential. I know what you're thinking...a proud grandpa
bragging. I am really not bragging nor seeing something that
is not there. I watched a taped televised womans gymnastics meet
last weekend held at the Atlanta site. I honestly can say that
Jessica is not that far away in her floor excercise. She
does need a lot of work on the other three apparatus.
She has had two meets thus far this winter and has won
the all around in both meets, scoring low 30's. She took
first on the floor in both meets, probably competing against
8-10 girls in both. I keep seeing visions of Olympics for her in
a few years (2000?)!

My concern right now is that her potential could be wasted and
lost. Neither myself/wife nor Jessica's parents have the
financial resources to get her a private trainer. Or are we
being pessimistic here? How much does a qualified, private
trainer cost?

I guess I should ask, at what age do you start training for
serious competition? How does one get noticed at this early age?
And I'm sure I have a bunch more.....

In case you may want to know: Jessica is actually the smallest
person on her team. I don't see her growing "too big" for
competition. Her mother is about 5'1" and her father 5'8".
Just by looking at her, she is probably 0% body fat! She
has a washboard type stomach and well defined calf and thigh
muscles. So, physically I'd say she is right there.
Mentally, that's probably another story, after all she is
only 8.

Well, thats about it for now. I'll be waiting for your responses.

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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 00:56:00 GMT
From: ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: IG - How to make a change?

OK, so several of us are unhappy about IG's lack of international
coverage. What can we constructively do about it? Are they online?
Does anyone have an inside contact?

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 22:17:26 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: New Member

Hello everyone. My name is Kristin. I am a 15 year old level 8 from
Alabama who loves dancing and hates bars. I've been in gymnastics for about
seven years and I absolutely love it. In the future I'd like to be a coach
or an inernational judge. Right now I work at my gym coaching the beginner
classes. I have tickets to the Olympics in Atlanta to see the women's
optional podium training. I couldn't get the team competition, but I
considered myself lucky anyways. Hopefully, I'll get to see the NCAA finals
in Tuscaloosa, AL this year. The clubs around here usually get ticket
information. As a gymnast, I don't have any Olympic dreams, but maybe as a
coach in the future (possibly 2004?). I would appreciate any advice on what
I could do to become better prepared to be an elite coach or a judge. I'm
fairly sure that you have to be sixteen to be a judge, but it can't hurt to
get an early start. I look forward to communicating with all of you.

Kristin

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 22:21:38 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: New Member

Hello everyone. My name is Kristin. I am a 15 year old level 8 from
Anniston, Alabama who loves dancing and hates bars. I've been in gymnastics
for about seven years and I absolutely love it. In the future I'd like to be
a coach or an inernational judge. Right now I work at my gym coaching the
beginner classes and prep team. I have tickets to the Olympics in Atlanta to
see the women's optional podium training. I couldn't get the team
competition, but I considered myself lucky anyways. Hopefully, I'll get to
see the NCAA finals in Tuscaloosa, AL this year. The clubs around here
usually get ticket information. As a gymnast, I don't have any dreams of
going to the Olympics, but maybe as a coach in the future (possibly 2004?).
If anyone out there could give me any helpful advice on how to get better
prepared to be an elite coach or judge I'd appreciate it. I'm fairly sure
you have to be sixteen to start judging, but it can't hurt to get an early
start. I look forward to communicating with all of you.

Kristin

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 22:26:40 -0500
From: ***@YALE.EDU
Subject: Re: Tsuk on FX.

> I've seen this in the code of points along time ago (back when there was
> such a thing as "2 C's and R" (!) It is a move on BB (dismount) and a
> snap down back somi is a dismount on PBARS and RINGS, too. Never saw
> it on FX yet, so wondering if anyone has ever seen it,
>
> Jeff
>

I think what you have in mind is probably physically impossible on FX.
Or close to it.

:)
Adriana

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 21:37:18 -0600
From: ***@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
Subject: Sullivan nominees and REACT

1) Saw the voting for the Sullivan Award nominees in USA Today when
I was waiting for a prof this afternoon. Jenny Hansen of Kentucky,
Shannon Miller and Dominique Moceanu are on the list. No offense intended
toward either Moceanu or Miller, but I hope Hansen gets it. She is one
of the best that college gymn has ever had to offer.

2)React magazine did an article on Dominique Moceanu recently. Saw it in the
reading room here at school. *shrug* Typical teeny bopper stuff, but nice
to see the coverage anyhow.

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 22:46:13 -0500
From: ***@ZEUS.TOWSON.EDU
Subject: Re: IG

I just want agree with you. I enjoy receiving my IG every month
because I love gymnastics. Even so the Bart and Nadia coverage is way
too much considering they are not active gymnasts (I am not implying
that are not important gymnastic figures). I also would like to see more
International coverage. I do want to say that some of their articles are
good, and sometimes they really suprise. Just my thoughts.

Mikester Bee

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 22:53:42 -0500
From: ***@EXPERT.CC.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: "unsubscribe"

Sorry to send this over the forum.....I am going home for Christmas break
on Dec. 14, I need to unsubscribe for the 3 weeks that I will be gone.
Could someone please send me the address and directions. Thanks a lot!
I'll miss you all......but I will be back with some information on at
least 3 Indiana high school gymnastics meets.....
Aaron

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 23:10:17 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FX QUESTIONS

>> 4)What is the value of a Tsukahara on FX?
>I don't remember that it is even rated. How would the gymnast perform it?

Not sure if this is what you mean or not, but on floor a full-in is credited
as a Tsukahara. It's also often called a "moon salto" -- I'm not sure why --
particularly by the Japanese.

--Susan

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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 00:59:21 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Fx Questions

In a message dated 95-12-06 07:24:15 EST, you write:

>
> 1)Anyone ever seen anyone tumble out of side somersaults?
> A) No!

> 2)Is a full out rated differently than a full in?
> A) Yes. Full in is a D, full out is an E.

> 3)HAs anyone seen a front with 2 and 1/2 twists?
A) Not from a female, but you never know.
>
> 4)What is the value of a Tsukahara on FX? C? D?
> A) Never seen one!

> 5)Is MOstepanova's dive front handpring with a full twist
> still a rated element or is it not valued anymore like the
> arabian handspring?
A) It's a B.
>
> 6)Has anyone seen a female do a double side somi?
> A) no

> 7)Similar to #5, are full twisting back handsprings still rated?
A) It's a B also.
>
> 8)Is there any distinction between a full and a whipback with a full
> in the code of points?
A) they are both B's but considered different skills in the code.
>
> 9)Anyone seen anyone do a quad twist?
A) I've heard of them, but never seen one!
>
> 10)As teh SHUSHUMOVA and similar dance elements have the gymnast
> landing in front support at the end of the move, are there any which
> have the gymnast land in back support?
A) OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>

Shelley

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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 01:38:04 EST
From: ***@PRODIGY.COM
Subject: New Subscriber

>My concern right now is that her potential could be wasted and
> lost. Neither myself/wife nor Jessica's parents have the
> financial resources to get her a private trainer. Or are we
> being pessimistic here? How much does a qualified, private
> trainer cost?

Ray, my name is Al and I'm a competitive coach in Toronto. It sounds
like you might be getting ahead of yourself a little bit. If you
grandaughter is as talented as you think I think the first step you
should take is try looking around at competitive clubs in your area.
Look for a well-established club with truly experienced coaches.
Keep in mind, however, that she is only 8 years old and for her to
train more than 10-12 hours per week might be more than she's ready
for.

> I keep seeing visions of Olympics for her in
> a few years (2000?)!

I hate to burst your bubble but she won't be age eligible until 2004.
But she's probably what most coaches would consider the perfect age
because she'll be just 16.

>I guess I should ask, at what age do you start training for
> serious competition? How does one get noticed at this early
age?

Most high performance clubs will start serious training around 8 or 9
years of age. It's not so mucha matter of getting noticed but
finding the right club for her needs. I need to say, though, be
careful not to push her so hard that she loses her love for
gymnastics.
If you have any more questions, feel free....
-=-al-=-

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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 03:44:03 -0500
From: ***@DELPHI.COM
Subject: Questions...

>Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 17:49:31 -0600
>Subject: FX QUESTIONS

>Here we go:


> 9)Anyone seen anyone do a quad twist?

> .........Jeff

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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 03:53:15 -0500
From: ***@DELPHI.COM
Subject: Quad twist

Jeff asked if anyone has done a quad twist. Yes, michelle Dussere ( SCATS )
did one but never competed it. My Gymnast Karissa Chock ( Jr. International)
also has done it ( on a floor, not a pit ) in our gym and at SCATS ( for Don
Peters, Michelle's coach. He was tickeled!) She has grown a couple of inches
in the last year and is struggling a bit with it now. I even haad it
evaluated ( yes, it's an "E".) It is a very sensative skill and while not
that hard to perform, it has proven difficult to train it in routines, so
she may never get to use it, we'll see....
bjcorr@delphi.com

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