GYMN-L Digest - 6 Jul 1996 - Special issue

There are 14 messages totalling 608 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

1. Non Televised Routines(WAG)
2. Beam compulsories at Trials (2)
3. ESPN.
4. Gymnasts not finishing routines (2)
5. Training Hours Per Week
6. Sports Illustrated
7. Classicsports Channel
8. MEGAN GERSTENZANG, ARE YOU THERE?
9. Who will compete on each event
10. All Around
11. WAG: Olympics
12. kERRI STRUG

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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 08:26:39 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Non Televised Routines(WAG)

For those of you who might be interested I took some notes on routines that
were not televised during the Olympic Trials in Boston.

Both Amy Chow and Mohini Bahrwaj performed Yurchenco double fulls on vault.
Actually this was Mohini's second vault, her first being a Yurchencko with a
1 1/2.Amy scored a 9.8 and Mohini scored a 9.812.

Katy Teft's bar routine consisted of uprise to handstand (D) to Giant (B) to
Giant hop in(E), Giant hop in(E) to Geinger (D) for an E+E+D combination (.4
in Special connection bonus). She also performed a cast to handstand 1/2 to
a Giant full that looked to be in (I did not have a good angle) (D) to an
immediate Tkachev (D) to a straddle back to handstand (C). If the handstand
1/2 was in, this would also have been .4 in special connection bonus! Her
dismount was a double layout. Remember for scoring purpose only .3 in
special combination bonus count. Score - 9.825

Mohini's bar routine contained uprise to handstand (D) to Giant full (C) to
an immediate Geinger (D) to long hang kip to cast to handstand half turn in
(C) to a forward swing straddle back to handstand (D) She also performed a
double layout with a full twist.(Again, from my angle which was right in
front of the bar it was almost impossible to tell wether or not the handstand
turns were within 10 degress of vertical to count as "in") Score - 9.75

Larissa Fontaine's bar routine consisted of uprise to handstand (D) to a
Tkachev(D) to an immediate Geinger (D).( D+D+D combination of .4 in special
connection bonus) After her kip cast handstand she performed a Hindorff(E) to
an immediate underswing 1/2 turn to catch the low bar in handstand (D). (E+D
for .2 in special connection bonus) She then performed her signature Fontaine
dismount (D) Score - 9.737

Mohini 's floor routine consisted of a double layout (E), front full (D)
immediate layout (C) After her dance series she then performed a 2 1/2.
Unfortuately she fell on her last pass which looked like it was suppose to
be a triple.

Larissa's routine consisted of a double arabian (E). Front full(D) immediate
front pike(B). and a punch front(A) through to a front full(D). Score - 9.625


Larissa Fontaine has trained in our state for the past two years. Her
determination, dedication to the sport and team spirit have been an
inspiration not only to her teammates at Hill's Gymnastics but to the
Maryland gymnastics community as well. We wish her good luck at Stanford
University.

I am also off to Atlanta where I along with Robin Ruegg will be a Master
Scorer. Let me take this opportunity to wish all the participating countries
on our Gymn-List good luck at the Olympics!!

Myra
MD State Judging Director

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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 12:01:19 EDT
From: ***@COMPUSERVE.COM
Subject: Beam compulsories at Trials

Hello,

At the women's compulsories I noticed that during balance beam some women
mounted from one end of the beam and others from the opposite end. Since it is
a compulsory routine I thought they would all start in the same place. Is there
any particular reason for this? Is it simply a matter of left-handed vs
right-handed?

The same thing happened on pommel horse for men.

Dana

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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 11:51:35 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: ESPN.

ESPN had a program on last night which higlighted all the trials.
I caught some greco-roman wrestling and a little gym. The host was the same
person as the host of WWoS. It was an ABC show. Kathy Johnson-Clark did the
commentary for gym (where is Bart?). Onlything new was the fact that they
said that Shannon Mil
Ller is now doing full Bar and vault routines and Dom's fracture is healing.
They said something about new xrays show it to be healing fast. Also, the
average age of the US olympic WAG team is 17.4 years. I am sure that
Moceanu is squewing the data!


Opps. I mean 'skewing' above.


Jeff

Dina, Dina, Dina.

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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 18:25:06 UT
From: ***@MSN.COM
Subject: Re: Gymnasts not finishing routines

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Subject: Gymnasts not finishing routines

> I have never seen
>a gymnast take a fall and not get back on to finish the routine, unless
>of course a really serious injury was sustained.

Wow! How long have you been a fan??

Three incidents come to mind over the years:

- Maxi Gnauck got a 2.5? for optional floor at 81 Worlds. She clutched her
ankles after an attempted double back on the first pass. I'm not sure if
she sprained it or what, but this was the reason was she didn't compete AA
that year.

- Elena Gurova got a 6.?? at 84 Champions All (a competition at Wembley,
anyway). She hit her elbow on the high bar after a botched Tkatchev, and
tried to continue, but was in too much pain.

- Yulia Yurkina couldn't finish her FX at 93 Nikon International in Sydney
after dislocating her elbow attempting an Arabian double front. And it was
nice to see it in slow motion from 3 different angles (sarcasm).

Simone



A few of these do sound kind of serious. The dislocated elbow and somebody
else hitting their elbow but being in to much pain to continue.

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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 18:22:29 UT
From: ***@MSN.COM
Subject: Re: Training Hours Per Week

What do people think about the idea of limiting the number of hours per week
a child could train when under the age of 16? I am starting to question
parents who sent their kids to train 30-40 hrs a week in preperation for a
chance to make the Olympics. I think
that by spending so much time training they become great gymnasts but loose
out on social skills and other social relationships that are important to
ones up bringing.


This sounds pretty good to me. I know of one girl who walked into our gym,
looked at our level 9 girls working out, and said "they expect me to do that".
Not for a long time, but she got so discouraged, by these girls who worked
out 4 hours a day for years, and looked no bigger than her. Also, at the end
of seventh grade I had to quit gymnastics. When I did I realized that I
didn't know anyone at all. I am now a junior in high school and find it very
hard to talk to other people and share things. And, yes I've started back to
gymnastics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (just last summer, I'm still excited)

Jjeorje


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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 15:11:22 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Sports Illustrated

The July 8th issue of Sports Ilustrated has an interesting article about
trials. There are color pictures of Dawes on bars, Chow hitting her head on
beam (ouch!) and Moceanu and Miller together. The article quoted Theresa
Kulikowski (who really impressed my daughter and I at trials), Amanda Borden
and others. I also enjoyed reading about Chainey Umphrey. I was not aware
he had been having problems with vertigo and had actually dislocated a finger
during optionals! He has been a long time favorite since my daughter met him
at camp two years ago. He signed autographs and visited with the campers and
was very personable. Sports Ilustrated doesn't usually provide much
gymnastics coverage but hopefully will give us more Olympic coverage. They
always do get top notch photographs.

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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 15:28:44 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Classicsports Channel

I'm sure not everyone has access to this USA cable channel, but those who do
might want to go to their home page:

http:\\www.classicsports.com

you can tell them what you would like to see on the channel -- maybe if a
lot of us write we can persuade them to show some gymnastics.

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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 16:08:13 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: MEGAN GERSTENZANG, ARE YOU THERE?

I'm really sorry everyone for this, but MEGAN, ARE YOU THERE? Are you on
this list in the summer? Write to me!!!
Thanks!
Liz

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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 16:07:47 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Who will compete on each event

Hi,
there's been a lot of talk about who will compete on bars, and how Dominique
M. doesn't belong there. True or not true, I'm willing to bet that a
reasonably healthy Moceanu will compete all events. With that in mind,
here's who i think they should leave off.
Vault - Borden
Bars - Strug
Beam - Chow
Floor - Chow
But they'll probably leave Amanda off bars instead of Kerri. And, is it true
that they've almost all made bars finals at worlds? Let's see...Shannon-yep,
Dominique D.-yep, Jaycie-yep, Kerri-oh, yeah in 92, yep, Amy Chow hasn't.
Has Amanda Borden??
Someone said that Amanda would not watch Jaycie's ruitines but would look at
her scores at nationals. Is there a little rivalry going on, or is Amanda
just trying to focus yet know what Jaycie's upto at the same time?
Any word on Dominique M.'s injury?
Any replies are more than welcome!
Liz

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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 18:28:10 -0400
From: ***@KENT.NET
Subject: Re: All Around

>On Tue, 2 Jul 1996, Artemis wrote:
IMO, Strug, Miller, and Dawes
>are the ones who deserve to be in the AA finals, and I'm speaking
>gymnastically here.

This is going to be a tough decision. What about Phelps? I really want
to see Kerri Strug in the AA. I was really impressed with the improvement
she has made in all of her routines since Nationals, especially on her
landings.

Does everybody have the same chance to make event finals? I think that
the 3 gymnasts per country rule is really dumb. All of the top gymnasts
should have a shot at the all-around, regardless of where they're from.
The US, as well as some of the other countries, have more than 3 who
could place well in the AA. It's too bad they make the rules that way.
Maybe they should have a system where each country sends one
gymnast and the rest of the positions are filled by the girls that earn
them.

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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 18:42:03 -0400
From: ***@KENT.NET
Subject: Re: Beam compulsories at Trials

>
>>Hello,
>>
>>At the women's compulsories I noticed that during balance beam some women
>>mounted from one end of the beam and others from the opposite end. Since it
is
>>a compulsory routine I thought they would all start in the same place. Is
there
>>any particular reason for this? Is it simply a matter of left-handed vs
>>right-handed?
>>
>>The same thing happened on pommel horse for men.
>>
>>Dana
>>
>I think they can start from either side. I noticed that in the Canadian
>trials the girls started at different ends. In the floor exercise, also,
>the girls started at different corners. I don't think it makes a difference.
>Depending on where the judges are sitting, maybe the gymnast will
>choose where to start so they can perform their better skills
>closer to the judges? Just an idea.
>
>Jordynn
>

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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 18:42:28 -0400
From: ***@KENT.NET
Subject: Re: WAG: Olympics

>
>>
>>Also, Kerri Strug's form on beam would look better without the beam shoes.
>>Thomson didn't wear them in compulsories and looked good. In optionals
>>she had them on and looked horrible. Maybe Kerri should loose hers and
>>she'ld look better and maybe gett a h
>>higehr score.
>>
>I think any shoes in gymnastics really cut off the line of
>the leg. The only person, IMO, who can wear them and
>still look decent is Boguinskaya. She has such a
>beautifully arched foot that she still looks good.
>
>Jordynn
>

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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 18:42:48 -0400
From: ***@KENT.NET
Subject: Re: kERRI STRUG

>
>>I was amazed to see someone writing that Strug shouldn't compete beam at the
>>Olympics because she has "messy form"... I am not flaming or even
>>criticizing this comment, I just wanted to know if other people noticed this
>>too, because I definitely didn.t. Maybe my judgement is just clouded
>>because she is my favorite US gymnast, but I just want to know if other
>>people have made this same conclusion. I would definitely choose Strug as
>>an AA contender...
>
>I agree. And if we are going to criticize form, we should mention
>Dominique Dawes way ahead of Strug in the "needs improvement"
>category. However, I don't really think there is anything Dawes
>could do to improve her form! Genetics plays a big role in
>this area. For example, some people are born with under-
>extended knees, bowed legs or flat feet. Even extensive training can
>only improve these conditions slightly in most cases.
>
>Jordynn
>

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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 18:43:05 -0400
From: ***@KENT.NET
Subject: Re: Gymnasts not finishing routines

>
>>> I have never seen
>>>a gymnast take a fall and not get back on to finish the routine, unless
>>>of course a really serious injury was sustained.
>>
>>Wow! How long have you been a fan??
>>
>
>Sorry if I haven't seen every major competition since 1982. I have all of the
>major ones since 1994 on tape and watched most of it from about 1990
>I fainltly remember watching the 84 and 88 olympics and liking the sport.
>
>
>>Three incidents come to mind over the years:
>>
>>- Maxi Gnauck got a 2.5? for optional floor at 81 Worlds. She clutched her
>>ankles after an attempted double back on the first pass. I'm not sure if
>>she sprained it or what, but this was the reason was she didn't compete AA
>>that year.
>>
>
>I was five years old that year, and not yet a gymnastics fan. How am I
>supposed to remember anything that far back? You must have quite
>a memory, no matter how old you are, to remember 1981
>
>>- Elena Gurova got a 6.?? at 84 Champions All (a competition at Wembley,
>>anyway). She hit her elbow on the high bar after a botched Tkatchev, and
>>tried to continue, but was in too much pain.
>>
>
>Hey, she did get back on and try.
>
>>- Yulia Yurkina couldn't finish her FX at 93 Nikon International in Sydney
>>after dislocating her elbow attempting an Arabian double front. And it was
>>nice to see it in slow motion from 3 different angles (sarcasm).
>>
>>Simone
>>
>>
>
>If you read my message, I said that I haven't seen anyone discontinue if
>as SERIOUS injury was not sustained. I'd call a dislocated elbow a
>serious injury. Thanks for the info anyway.
>

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