GYMN-L Digest - 1 Sep 1995 to 2 Sep 1995

There are 14 messages totalling 614 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

1. stats
2. Rymthmic pictures
3. Electronic Club Directory
4. College Schedules
5. poster!!!!!!
6. heights and weights
7. 1995 ROM Natl. Champs. (2)
8. Fwd: Re: 1995 ROM Natl. Champs.
9. 1995 ROM Natl. Champs. (fwd)
10. Romanian Championships
11. European broadcasts (Was: heights and weights)
12. birthdays
13. addresses

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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 23:06:06 -0600
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject: stats

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| * Country Subscribers
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| * Australia 13
| * Belgium 1
| * Canada 20
| * Chile 1
| * France 1
| * Germany 2
| * Great Britain 11
| * Greece 1
| * Hungary 1
| * Iceland 2
| * Ireland 1
| * Israel 1
| * Italy 1
| * Malaysia 1
| * Mexico 1
| * Netherlands 2
| * New Zealand 1
| * Norway 2
| * Portugal 3
| * Singapore 1
| * South Africa 2
| * Spain 1
| * Sweden 2
| * Turkey 1
| * USA 396
| * ??? 33
| *
| * Total number of users subscribed to the list: 502
| * Total number of countries represented: 26

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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 10:15:53 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Rymthmic pictures

There were some rymthmic pictures that were uploaded about 2 weeks ago and I
have misplaced the address to view them. Would anyone still have the
address?

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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 08:16:12 -0600
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject: Electronic Club Directory

Our Electronic Club Directory is expanding somewhat. Thought I would
post the latest list. Current versions of this document can be
obtained either via WWW
(http://rainbow.rmii.com/~rachele/address.html) or ftp
(ftp.cac.psu.edu/pub/gymn/Addresses/Electronic-Club-Directory).

Rachele

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Electronic Club Directory

All addresses listed are in the USA unless otherwise noted.
Submissions are welcome. See directions at the end.

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Blue Hen Gymnastics

331 Newark Shopping Center
Newark De. 19711
tel. (302) 292-1444
Head Coach: Jim Mott / Paula Mann

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Brown's Gymnastics Central

740 Orange Ave
Altamonte Springs, FL 32714
tel. (407)869-8744
Head Coach: Rita Brown, Ray Gnatt

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Cabarrus Country Gymnastics

175 Furr Ave., NW
Concord, NC 28027
tel. (704) 784-3111
Head Coach: Greg Lemelin
Owner: Debby Abernathy

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Cascade Elite Gymnastics

20215 Cedar Valley Road
Lynnwood, Washington. 98036
Head Coach: Frank Lee/Chris Kelley

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Family Fun Gymnastics Center

Montgomery Commons Shopping Center
1200 Welsh Road
North Wales, PA 19454
tel. 215-362-0333
fax 215-362-6961
Head Coach: Gene Speer (Mr. 'Spot') Head Coach

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Fit'N Fun Gymnastics (Boz Mofid, Owner)

19209 Chennault Way
Gaithersburg, MD 20879
Head Coach: Irina and Igor Federov
Aurelia Dobre-Mofid (Choreographer)

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Fun & Fit Gymnastics Centers

1919 W. Burbank Blvd.
Burbank, CA 91506

tel. 818-845-0700
fax 818-845-3514
Head Coach: President, Jeff Lulla (this is a non-competitive gymnastics
organization - so there is no head coach).

The Fun & Fit Gymnastics Program is licensed to over 80 gymnastics
clubs. It involves training videos and curriculum cards for
instructors to monitor and track their student's progress and posters
and stars for the kids to take home to track their own progress.

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Indiana Gymnastics Training School

122 East Miller Drive
Bloomington, IN 47401
tel. (812) 336-7469
fax (812) 855-5656
Head Coach: Scott Andrews w/ co-owner Tom Swayzee

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Leading Edge Gymnastics

2111 B 38th Ave. S.
Everett Washington, xxxxx
Head Coach: Chris and Emma Mann

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MENLO PARK GYMNASTICS

501 Laurel Street
Menlo Park, CA 94025
tel. 415-858-3480
Head Coach: Michael A. Taylor, Director

Located just 20 miles south of San Francisco, a comprehensive program
of 1400 students including preschool (ages 1 to 5) groups,
recreational boys and girls classes, developmental teams level 1
through 9, as well as high school and adult classes.

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Paragon Gymnastics

230-J Industrial Drive
Fredericksburg, VA 22407
540 891-5000
Head Coach: Ken Wood

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Sport Seneca (Elite) School

Seneca College Sports Centre
Newnham Campus
Finch Avenue E
North York, Ontario
Canada
tel. (416) 491-5050
Head Coach: (Men's) Andre Vallerand
(Women's) Brian McVey
(Rhythmics) Liliana Dimitrova
(Skating) Robert O'Toole

Sport Seneca is a combination academic and sport centre for elite
competitors from Grades 3 - 8 (ages 9 and up). The average school day
consists of four hours of training and 5-1/2 hours of academics. We
are "home" to world- class Gymnasts Luisa Portocarrera, Leah Homma,
Monica Covacci, (in Rhythmics) Madonna Gimotea and Erin Burkett.

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Wake Forest Gymnastics & DanceWorks Studio

1921 S. White St.
Wake Forest, NC. 27587
tel. 919-556-5445
Head Coach: Gene Leone

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Woodstock Gymnastics Club

Box 1276
Woodstock, Ontario
Canada
N4S 8R2

Head Coach: Gordon Pinkney
Phone: (519) 421-0953

The Woodstock Gymnastics Club offers recreational and competitive
gymnastics classes for 3 to 18 year olds, from recreational to
National Level. I would be especially interested in receiving meet
invitations to U.S. Invitational Meets, to offer travel and
competition opportunities to our gymnasts.

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YMCA Gymnastics Center

1530 Northway Drive
St. Cloud, MN 56303
Head Coach: Jill Behrendt

Our program is primarily a recreational program. We do have a Team and
a prep team, working with levels 1-7. We also offer high school and
high school prep programs which are non competitive. Most of our
gymnasts, however, are pre-schoolers, beginners, etc.

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To add, update, or delete an entry, send email to rachele@rmii.com with the
subject "Electronic Club Directory".

If you are adding an entry, please include the following information:

Required: Club Name, Email, and Address
Optional: Head Coach, Phone, and Fax

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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 08:32:06 -0600
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject: College Schedules

If you have the WWW address (URL) of a collegiate gymnastics team,
please send it to me. If the team does not have a WWW page, and you
would like to make the team schedule available, please send me the
schedule via email and I will store it as a text file and create a
link to it. (Please do not send the team schedule to Gymn -- seeing
as there are over 100 collegiate teams!)

Actually, if you know of any Gymnastics WWW pages that the Gymn pages
are not linked to, please let me know.

Rachele

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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 08:31:35 -0700
From: ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: poster!!!!!!

Yeah!!!!!

We got our poster that was posted up earlier from the worlds in
Birmingham! It is sooooooooooooo cool! If you didn't order one you
really should.
Is it possible, that some of them are real? There are a few of them in
a different color of pen and I was wondering if mayve those were real
autographs?
Did anyone else get it yet? Was the ink a little smeared on yours? It's
not major, I was just wondering. Thanks!

Margi and Mardi =>

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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 12:27:20 -0400
From: ***@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU
Subject: Re: heights and weights

Well, I agree that it's interesting to know the gymnasts' heights,
because that helps a lot to explain why they favor certain skills (tall
gymnasts prefer twisting to flipping, someone as tall as Nemov is going to have
a harder time on rings than a shorter gymnast like Chechi). But I don't think
the weights need to be broadcasted. Eurosport doesn't do it. Are the European
fans out there upset about this? I think height can give you a good enough idea
about what the gymnasts are contending with. It's just logical that it's more
difficult, and therefore more impressive, for Nemov to do a double layout on
floor than it is for someone who's 5'5". I don't think we need to know weights
to appreciate this.
Now I have a question for European subscribers. Eurosport's coverage is SO
thorough (for example, in European Cup, with the exception of the first half of
rotation 3, they showed EVERY gymnast on EVERY event, regardless of whether the
gymnast was in contention for a medal.) My tape has the commercials edited out,
but I know there WERE commercials, because the commentators would say things
like "we'll return after this commercial break." I was wondering what
corporations and companies were acting as sponsors? I think we'd like to
recruit them here in the US! Is televised gymnastics just more popular in
Europe than in the US? I'm just curious as to why the European sponsors provide
enough money for coverage of virtually the entire meet, while American sponsors
obviously don't. Japanese TV coverage also seems to be a lot more thorough than
American networks'. If some of these sponsors are big international companies,
could the US networks approach them and ask them to finance enough airtime to
show more than just the medalists? Just a thought.

Beth

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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 13:12:22 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: 1995 ROM Natl. Champs.

Speaking of Rodica Rusan, how old is she??? And, what ever happened to
Claudia?? She is one of my favorite gymnasts and lately I haven't heard much
about her. Thanks.

jessica

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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 10:33:08 -0700
From: ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: Fwd: Re: 1995 ROM Natl. Champs.

In our Gym Stars Spring '95 it said that Claudia Rusan had to retire
due to a serious back injury.

Margi and Mardi =>

<Speaking of Rodica Rusan, how old is she??? And, what ever happened to
<Claudia?? She is one of my favorite gymnasts and lately I haven't
<heard much
<about her. Thanks.

<jessica

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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 14:14:58 -0400
From: ***@INTERACTIVE.NET
Subject: Re: 1995 ROM Natl. Champs. (fwd)

>
>I have the women's results only...
>
>Team:
>1. CSS Cetate Deva (Milosovici, Hatagan, Cacovean, R. Rusan, M. Gogitu)
>2. CSS Gimnastica Focsani
>3. CSS Onesti
>4. CSS 1 Farul Constanta


Does anyone know who competed for the other teams, and if this was their
trials for the world championships?

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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 13:29:42 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: Romanian Championships

Question:

Anyone know if this is the selection for World's

Anyone know how Bican did?


Jeff


P.S. There is emphasis on men's body type's too. As I explained about my
growth spurt, there was alot of unnecessary talk about how I should quit
gymnastics. So, if you think it is just the women, I disagree with you.

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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 14:40:52 -0400
From: ***@IC.AC.UK
Subject: European broadcasts (Was: heights and weights)

> But I don't think
> the weights need to be broadcasted. Eurosport doesn't do it. Are the
> European fans out there upset about this?

Speaking from one European fan's point of view, not at all. Why do we need
to know their weights and heights anyway, the gymnasts are judged by their
performances, not by their heights and weights. A double back is a double
back, for example, even though it's much harder for a taller gymnast to do
a double back than a shorter one, but one won't get a higher score for a
double back just because one's taller. When someone is obviously much taller
than the others e.g. Khorkina, then you don't need the stats to tell us
that, we can easily see for ourselves.

Anyway the stats are interesting to look at, although they are hardly
essential during a TV broadcast.

> Eurosport's coverage is SO thorough
> (for example, in European Cup, with the exception of the first half of
> rotation 3, they showed EVERY gymnast on EVERY event, regardless of
> whether the gymnast was in contention for a medal.)

In the mens AA in European Cup, EuroSport showed 100 out of the complete
102 routines that were performed. The two they missed was when they were
off to a commercial break (It was shown live).

> I was wondering what
> corporations and companies were acting as sponsors?

There is one big company who sponsors all of EuroSport's gymnastics
programmes and that is France Telecom. You'll also see their advertisement
hoardings in many international meets. All of EuroSport's programmes will
end with the promo line: "This programme was brought to you by France
Telecom - Official Partner of Gymnastics".

Peugeot used to be another sponsor but they pulled out after 1993.

> Is televised gymnastics just more popular in Europe than in the US?

Since there are many gymnasts from Europe, and EuroSport broadcasts to
most of Europe, I think there are more people watching these gym
programmes than those in the US... though I have no idea when the
viewing figures are over here. E.g. I would guess there should be a lot
of French people watching it since the French team are doing well lately.

> I'm just curious as to why the European sponsors provide
> enough money for coverage of virtually the entire meet,

Maybe coz the air-time here are cheaper? I don't know. There are a lot of
TV coverage on minor sports here, I think if any European countries are
any good at any sport, they'll show it here. E.g. I seem to be seeing a
few ten-pin bowling programmes lately. The European TV has to cope with
various different demands of the various different European countries,
therefore in order to satisfy everybody, they have to show a large
variety. We have three or four dedicated sports channels and for major
events such as the US Open Tennis that is taking place now, two of the
channels are showing it live simultaneously, very often showing the same
match. There are lots of other part-time sports channels, I remember
during one of the ice hockey matches during the 1992 Winter Olympics,
no less than seven channels were showing the same match live. Channels
include EuroSport, plus other channels from Spain, France, Germany, were
all showing it (can't remember what the match was though).

Browsing through a week's TV schedule on sports programmes (this week's),
they have programmes for sports ranging from the popular soccer, golf,
boxing, tennis, motorsport, etc. to the smaller sports of polo, hurling,
dancing, and even sheepdog trials.

Back to gymnastics on EuroSport, as Beth mentioned there are a few
commercial breaks during gym programmes, but I can tell you that there
are not many actual adverts in those. These breaks normally consist of
only two or three commercials, and most of them are EuroSport's own
adverts. For the European Cup 95, I'd say there was probably only France
Telecom's adverts apart from the EuroSport's ones during the commercial
breaks.

But I hear that EuroSport is not going to cover the Sabae Worlds because
the FIG has put its price up for gym broadcasts on TV and EuroSport is
not willing to buy the rights to show it. (They didn't show the Dortmund
Worlds 94 either) When EuroSport (and the rest of the European sports
channels) show something here it's normally live or at least within a
day after the event has happened, or they will not show it at all. (We
don't have events that is taking place now but the TV company is saving
up for broadcast two months later, etc. if you know what I'm getting at.)

Sherwin

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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 18:07:46 -0400
From: ***@STYX.IOS.COM
Subject: Re: 1995 ROM Natl. Champs.

Does anyone know if Bucharest sent a team? If so who were they and how
did they do?


Lori

> I have the women's results only...
>
> Team:
> 1. CSS Cetate Deva (Milosovici, Hatagan, Cacovean, R. Rusan, M. Gogitu)
> 2. CSS Gimnastica Focsani
> 3. CSS Onesti
> 4. CSS 1 Farul Constanta

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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 19:09:35 -0700
From: ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: birthdays

Here are the birthdays for Sept.:

1: Tracee Talavara USA
2: Curtis Hibbert CAN
3: Svetlana Baitova BLR
4: Zita Lusack GBR
5: Valery Belenky GER
5: Tatiana Gutsu UKR
5: Daniela Silivas ROM
5: Yuri Yermakov UKR
8: Yang Bo CHN
8: Li Ning CHN
9: Gina Gogean ROM
11: Kip Simons USA
12: Lori Strong CAN
13: Csaba Fajkusz HUN
13: Kathy Johnson USA
14: Mary Lee Tracy USA
19: Karin Lichey USA
20: Chris Waller USA
21: Julia Yurkina BLR
21: Olga Yurkina BLR
25: Zoltan Supola HUN
26: Ivan Ivanov BUL
26: Jaycie Phelps USA
28: Roza Galieva UZB
28: Annika Reeder GBR
29: Mohini Bhardwaj USA
30: Leyanet Gonzalez CUB
30: Dominique Moceanu USA



Margi and Mardi =>

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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 19:12:35 -0700
From: ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: addresses

Could someone give me the address where I can write to Silvia Mitova
and Tatiana Gutsu. Also, what gym is Henrietta Onodi training in? Where
were Tatiana Lisenko and Natalia Kalina offered scholarships? Are they
competiting this year? Thanks! Bye!

Margi and Mardi =>

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