GYMN-L Digest - 1 Jun 1996 to 2 Jun 1996
There
are 16 messages totalling 408 lines in this
issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Chari Knight-Hunter Article
2. Romanian Gymnasts on TLC
3. good
luck
4. Olympic Tickets
5. GYMN-L Digest - 27 May 1996 to 28 May
1996
6. Masters
competitions?
7. Elena Moukhina, accident
8. GRAND PRIX OF ROME: 1996 (WAG).
9. Adult gymnastics
10. wrists
11. Summer Games Video Game
12. RSG US Natls.
13. GYMN-L Digest - 31 May 1996 to 1 Jun
1996
14. Chari Knight & Level
10 JO Nationals
15. Rhythmic
96Full Team Results
16. nude Olympians
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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 05:11:58
-0800
From: ***@UCS.ORST.EDU
Subject:
Chari Knight-Hunter Article
There was an article on Chari
Knight-Hunter in the Corvallis (Ore.)
Gazette-Times this week entitled
"Ex-OSU Gymnast Can't Stop Tumbling."
It can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.gtconnect.com/gtonline/subscribers/sports/1996/may/27/lspo4.html
It's
a well written article describing explaining her love
of gymnastics,
her return to JO competition and
her goal of making the 1997 World
Championships.
karen
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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 09:31:17
-0500
From: ***@MAIL.COIN.MISSOURI.EDU
Subject:
Romanian Gymnasts on TLC
I was flipping through the channels last
night, and I came upon a program
that dealt with
gymnastics in The Learning Channel. It was called "What
Makes Milo
Fly?" It dealt with Romanian gymnast Miloscovitch
(sp?) and
her attempt to
compete in the Atlanta Games. It was mainly a documentary
about what happens physically to a gymnast when they are
doing their
routines, with a lot of technical
information like when a gymnast lands
from her
vault, the force is equal to 20 times her body weight.
Miloscovitch was the main focus of the show, with a lot of
interview
footage of the Romanian national team's
coach. It was an interesting
program because it
gave a more scientific and physiological angle to the
sport.
--Michael
:)
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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 07:51:47
-0700
From: ***@EARTHLINK.NET
Subject:
good luck
I JUST WANT TO WISH EVERYONE GOOK LUCK IN THE U.S.
CHAMPIONSHIPS IN
KNOXVILLE,TENNESSEE.
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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 11:10:29
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Olympic Tickets
Hi everyone,
I ordered tickets from the Olympics
from the Fairtix system and I was
wondering if anyone else that ordered them this way has
gotten their tickets
yet. I think they were
supposed to be out in the end of May, weren't they? If
anyone
knows, could you let me know? I've already had problems with them
(they charged me twice for my ticket order, making my credit
card go over the
limit) and I want to make sure
everything is okay. Thanks....Ellen
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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 12:47:15
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: GYMN-L Digest - 27 May 1996 to 28 May 1996
I would also like to
comment on Jeff's statement. I totally
disagree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I
think they can be quite boring and also i think we
need to add more flar to
them
and make them more fun for the children to do. THese
years are they
buildin
block in their gymnastics expierence
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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 12:28:32
-0700
From: ***@U.WASHINGTON.EDU
Subject:
Masters competitions?
I, personally, would love to see a program where
people could still
compete after they get
"old" (i.e. not in high school anymore). There are
a tremendous amount of gymnasts who have no choice but to
drop the sport
when they get to college--college
teams are beyond the reach of most
gymnasts, and
unless you're lucky enough to be at a school that offers rec
classes (as i thankfully am),
you're stuck. I think gymnastics is missing
out on
a potentially large group-- i know many many many ex-high school
gymnasts who would still love to compete or just have
somewhere to play
with routines if they could, but
there's nowhere to do it. I guess
technically you
could still do J.O., but 1) it's not really fun to work
out
with kids 10 years younger than you who are better than you, and 2)
training 15+ hours/week at a gym is beyond the reach, both
time-wise and
financially, of most ex-gymnasts in
college.
What does everyone think? Or is there already a program that i don't know
about?
-stephanie
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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 10:38:14
-0400
From: ***@VAXC.HOFSTRA.EDU
Subject:
Re: Elena Moukhina, accident
What incident
with hwang?
Alisa
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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 20:16:12
-0400
From: ***@VAXC.HOFSTRA.EDU
Subject:
Re: GRAND PRIX OF ROME: 1996 (WAG).
Wasn't Fabrichnova
supposed to compete her? Does
anyone know:
A) who is
the womens russian
team,
and
B) if fabrichnova has a chance of being there
Thanks
Alisa
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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 16:35:25
-0500
From: ***@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU
Subject:
Adult gymnastics
Does anyone out there know of recreational classes or
open workouts for
adults in or near Philadelphia? Gymn-l has me
inspired to lose a little
weight (so as not to
destroy my wrists, ankles, hips, etc. while tumbling)
and
find out what this old body can still do.
No need to suggest that I
check out the
Temple U. gym; they don't have any kind of open hours.
On a related
note, this question goes out to all the ex-gymnasts out there.
Is there an
event you think you might be better at now than you were back
when you were competing? Although it would take a year or two of
training
to get me there, I think I might become
better on beam (my worst event at
the time) than I
used to be. I don't know if I'd
ever have the difficulty
I used to have (and even that would be worth much
less today), but I know
how to keep excess
adrenaline from getting in the way much better than I
used
to.
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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 17:48:53
-0300
From: ***@CCN.CS.DAL.CA
Subject:
wrists
Hi all,
With
these recent posting concerning adult gymnastics, I have a
question for anyone who may have a suggestion. I am 5'2, 120
pounds. My
body is well proportioned except I have
very very small wrists.
Children's watches from
The Disney Store are still too big. My wrists
weren't
always so small, when I was competing a few years ago I didn't
have this problem. Now though when I do go to the gym the
strain on my
wrists is unbelieveable.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I
could
protect such small wrists and keep some of that pressure off? Any
help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, Keep gymning!
Also, I am late posting an opinion on
this but I wanted to throw it
anyway. I had missed
the Worlds and just saw them today here on the
Canadian
French channel. So all that talk about stoop on/squat ons wasn't
making any sense to
me until I saw it today. Ohmigawd, I agree
that's
gotta stop! I'm
horrible with names, but who was the Negro gymnast from
France who did that
rather unusual bars routine? I liked it...
Well that's it for me
today.
Lisa
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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 17:12:49
-0700
From: ***@MCN.ORG
Subject:
Summer Games Video Game
Hi everyone,
I've recently been
playing a famous olympics
video game called Summer Games
for the Commodore
(it's made by Epyx and it's also available for a
couple of
other platforms). It came out in 1984,
probably to capitalize on the LA
olympics
craze. It's a very well designed game and it features gymnastics as
one of the events. It has been mentioned on the list in the
past when people
discussed gymnastics in video
games. Since I just got a chance to play it
after
not seeing it for many years, I thought I'd write a little about it
for anyone who might find it interesting.
The
gymnastics competition consists of the women's vault. You vault twice
and your scores are added together, for a maximum possible
score of 20.
You hit the joystick button once to start your gymnast
running, again to
make
her jump onto the springboard (trying to time it right to get her to
the very end of the board without going to late and having
her miss it), and
again when she's vertical on the
horse to push off. Then you can hold the
joystick
up if you want her to tuck, or don't hit anything for a layed-out
position (unfortunately there is no piked
position). When she's about to
land you push the
joystick down to ready her for the landing, then if she's
off balance and takes a step you can correct in the opposite
direction with
the joystick to prevent her from
falling. You can also hold the joystick to
the
right or left during the pre-flight to do a half twist onto the horse.
It
would have been great if they would have incorporated
post-flight
twisting and the option of a piked position, but you can't have it all.
Having
this much control lets you do a variety of different vaults, and
makes it difficult but realistic.
The scoring is
quite interesting. The good parts are that a step is a tenth
of a point deduction, and you are deducted for lack of
height or distance
(which you control by how
accurate you are landing on the springboard and
your
timing pushing off the horse). There are some great innacuracies
though, like the fact that a fall counts for 2.9 points!
Below I'll list all
the possible vaults and what
the maximum score (start value) is for that
vault
in the game. The game does not list names for the possible vaults or
anything, I just figured these out by doing all the possible
vaults as well
as the game allows and seeing what
the highest score was.
(HS = handspring, Tsuk
= Tsukahara)
Front HS = 6.8
HS Front
Tuck = 8.4
HS Front Layout = 8.4
HS Double Front Tuck= 9.2
1/2 on,
Back HS = 8.0
Tucked Tsuk = 9.2
Layout Tsuk = 9.2
Tsuk Double Back =
10.0
As you can see, it is not exactly realistic, especially by 1984
standards! A
handspring double front and a tucked Tsuk rated as the same value? That
would
be like rating a Rudi the same as a triple back on floor! Oh, wait,
that has been done. Maybe it's not so unrealistic.
Anyway
it's quite fun because it's very tough but you do get better. Getting
two tens in a row is very hard, which is why it's a great
feeling when you do.
It's a silly topic but I though some people might
want to try it out or just
see a good example of
gymnastics as a video game. I'd love to see a game
some
day that tried to do all the events. That would be a real challenge for
a game designer.
Bye,
Orion
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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 17:48:55 -0700
From: ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject:
RSG US Natls.
>From the AP, Jessica Davis
won her 2nd AA national title with a 2-day
score
of 74.663. Behind her was Natalie Lacuesta with 73.413.
In the
junior division, Johanna Shoemaker
was 1st with 73.2, followed by Tara
McCargo (72.65). Sorry,
but no other information was given.
Debbie
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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 19:41:16
-0700
From: ***@SONIC.NET
Subject:
Re: GYMN-L Digest - 31 May 1996 to 1 Jun 1996
Rachel wrote;
>> I was just looking at the results of the '96
Jr. Olympic
>> Championships that was held in Georgia earlier this
month, on USA
>> Gymnastics Online
>> and it had
Chari Knight Hunter as the AA winner in the 17 an up
>> group.
>>
This couldn't be the same Chari Knight formerly of Oregon State
>> could it?
>Yes, it's the same one! She decided she wasn't finished
competing,
>and so six weeks before JOs she
went into the gym, trained her sets,
>and tied
for first AA. I think it's
great! Reportedly she looked
>fantastic. However, some parents were disgruntled, saying
she
>shouldn't be allowed to compete since she
was so much older and had
>so much more
experience.
Not just parents, some of us coaches felt a bit put off by
Chari being =
there. Many of us (Men) competed after college also, but
never in the =
JO program, but as Elites. I for
one wondered why Chari didn't elect to =
go Sr.
National instead of Level 10, certainly a bit more of a challenge =
in line with a gymnast of her caliber. Level 10 Nationals is
also an =
event of high visibility for gymnasts
seeking a scholarship, an =
opportunity denied to
one gymnast in Region 2 because of Chari's =
participation.
To go back to the JO program seemed a rather easy way for =
Chari to simply go win another meet.
On further
reflection those arguments don't hold up so well. Level 10 =
and College rules are much closer than College and Sr.
National, much =
closer to the rules that Chari
has competed under for the last 4 years. =
Chari and any gymnast should be
allowed to compete regardless of age or =
experience
at the level they feel competent at. her gymnastics
was great =
( although a bit overscored
IMHO ) She was an inspirational gymnast to =
watch
in that she displayed a high degree of competency in her work.
I don't
think I would want to send the message to my kids that to walk =
into the gym and just train for 6 weeks and earn a berth on
the regional =
team is the way to go about
training, but that's another issue.
All in all, a rather complex and
from what I have gathered, emotion =
packed issue.
Comments?
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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 21:23:38
CST
From: ***@MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU
Subject:
Re: Chari Knight & Level 10 JO Nationals
>I was just looking at
the results of the '96 Jr. Olympic Championships
>that
was held in Georgia earlier this month, on USA Gymnastics Online
> and it had Chari Knight Hunter as the AA winner in the 17 an
up group.
>This couldn't be the same Chari Knight formerly of Oregon
State could it?
>
Shawn--Yes, it is Chari Knight who graduated from
Oregon State and is now
23 or 24 years old. (She looks about 17 in person though
because she is so
tiny). I judged beam, and she TIED for 1st on
beam and also in the
all-around. On my paper I had stars and WOW! and YES! in addition to my
normal judging shorthand. Chari did a pike jump to double stag
ring jump
that was AWESOME (B+D plus connection
bonus). Her pike jump was
pancaked
(chest on legs) and the height of her
stag jump and her head back was
GREAT.
She also did a sheep jump (E move), with great height, and her head
back. It was the
"model" of how those leaps and jumps should be done. In
addition
to great dance, she did a front tuck mount and, I think, back
handspring, layout, layout.
I "snuck a
peek" at her bars routines in finals.
(We had to wait for TV
time outs so
alternated events and had long breaks in between routines.)
Chari's form is
wonderful on bars too.
--Robin
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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 22:15:19
GMT
From: ***@YUCCAMAN.DEMON.CO.UK
Subject:
Rhythmic 96Full Team Results
I've now got the full positions and
scores for the Team event in the 1996
European Rhythmic
Championships....
1. Ukraine
79.898
2.
Belarus
79.065
3. Bulgaria
78.364
4.
Russia
78.063
5.
Spain
77.396
6.
France
76.929
7.
Greece
76.731
8.
Germany
76.497
No sign of the All-Around result yet.....but
I'm working on it !!!
Rob
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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 19:40:53
+1000
From: ***@OZEMAIL.COM.AU
Subject:
nude Olympians
Some of you may be interested to know that the latest
issue of "Black and
White" magazine features nude photographs of
many Australian Olympians (or
Olympic contenders). As far as I know, this mag is only
available in
Australia. It
features Brennon Dowrick
and Bret Hudson, two of our best
male gymnasts, in
several photographs, including handstands and an
L-straddle (that's what I
call it anyway). While the photos
leave nothing
to the imagination, there are no
full frontal shots. The handstand
shot is
a bit on the risque
side, so hopefully it won't start another "guy gymnasts
are gay" thing.
Simone
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