GYMN-L Digest - 31 Jul 1995 to 1 Aug 1995 - Special issue

There are 19 messages totalling 1006 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

1. USAGYMNASTICS TRAINING CENTERS
2. Criticism
3. August GYMN Calendar
4. WOW! What a fast meet!
5. Smiles from Kerri
6. Beathard/Zmeskal
7. Trivia Answers #31: Shooting Stars
8. Statistics
9. Trivia Answers #31: Shooting Stars (3)
10. Criticism, USOF and Collegiate
11. U.S Classic Report #3
12. 10th World Gymnaestrada - Happy Gymnastics
13. Re[2]: Beathard/Zmeskal
14. Northern PA gyms
15. Trivia contest
16. Hair
17. An actual USOF MEN'S GYMNASTICS QUESTION!

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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 20:18:38 -0700
From: ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: Re: USAGYMNASTICS TRAINING CENTERS

>
> My daughter is going to USA GYMNASTICS TRAINING CENTER camp at Mount Holyoke
> College, South Hadley, Mass on August 13. Anyone know of anyone else going
> to that camp, or anyone been there before? Please write back, or E-mail me.
> Thanks.
>

PLEASE I beseach you ! Make sure she stays in close touch with her home coach
while she is away. You should discuss what to do if they get any stupid ideas
there. Course I dunno what they would do if yolur home coach says no,
but you shopuld open the dialogue.

Remember these folks dont see your kid every week.
After camp, they arent likely to see your kid again, so they dont have
compelling interest afterwards.

They sent Jair Lynch back east to something like that and darned near destroyed
his shoulder. They had him in some oddball training
program that no gymnast should have been stuck in.

Manson ! Decloak and share the details !
Help me get the story right !

Anyway, i hope they dont hurt your kid.

-texx

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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 23:26:49 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: Criticism

I find it hard to believe that people are taking a comment about a
person's performance as a personal attack. The fact is gymnastics is a
subjective sport, which requires judgment to be made. It has been pointed
out that these are impressionable young gymnasts who don't need this
negative criticism. Well, I have news for you. They better get used to
it because its only going to get worse.

You may say that this was harsh for a young mind, but the media is
worse on the "older" gymnasts (16-19 yrs old.) Who can't forget that
in the not too far past people where writing bad things about Shannon
Miller's performance at Dortmund, the whole Zmeskal mess in '92 (doesn't
just that episode make a comment on a gymnastics mailing list look
trivial!?!?!) and the problems which many gymnasts past and present have
had to face. And the world after gymnastics isn't all doubles tennis either.

I think that a better issue at hand is to treat the problem. Criticism,
whether it is in gymnastics or life will NEVER, EVER go away. Why don't
people spend more time trying to get athletes to be able to deal with
bad criticism? In doing so, you give the athlete something else to take
home after they are done with sport: greater self-esteem. I think that
if coaches could learn a way to teach athletes how to cope with criticism in
a positive manner, you may not need 40 plus hrs a week training. You would
teach them to listen to what is being said and they could learn from
mistakes or comments instead of taking it personal.

I speak from experience. When I was 16 I shot up. Really up. 5'7" to
6' plus. People saw that it was hard for me to do old and new moves and
alot of people thought I should have quit the sport (team mates, family,
and a coach). But I didn't I just tried my best to continue adapting to
my new body, listened to my coach when he said I was whipping too much and
I can't do that anymore, and still competed. I didn't go to the Olympics,
Worlds, Nationals, a USOF, or even a Junior Olympics, but I stuck with
gymnastics during a hard time because I was still having fun. And that,
ladies and gentlemen, is what the sport should be: Fun.


Moral: Teaching people how to learn from comments makes better athletes
and, I really feel, a better person. Perhaps if we could just do that
then there would be no need for "little girls in pretty boxes, Vol. 2."
Perhaps.


Jeff

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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 01:29:18 -0400
From: ***@DELPHI.COM
Subject: August GYMN Calendar

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The Gymn Calendar

Anyone that has any events to add to this calendar, please mail them
to me.
All events on this calendar are subject to change. -- John
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August 1995
S M Tu W Th F S
1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30 31

5-6 USA men's regional qualifiers/ Temple U, Philadelphia, PA;
OSU, Columbus, OH; OK U, Norman, OK; UCLA, Los Angeles, CA;
Stanford U, Palo Alto, CA
12 Gymn's Third Anniversary
15-20 Western Canada Summer Games (M/W/R)/ Abbotsford, BC
16-19 Coca-Cola USA Championships (M/W)/ New Orleans, LA
19 BROADCAST Coca-Cola USA Champ. (M/W)/NBC, 8:00PM EDT
20 BROADCAST Coca-Cola USA Champ. (M/W)/NBC, 7:00PM EDT
17-20 USA Gymnastics National Congress/ New Orleans, LA
23-9/8 World University Games (M/W/R)/ Fukuoka, Japan
30-31 Int'l Junior Competition/ Yokohama, Japan
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September 1995
S M Tu W Th F S
1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30

1-3 FIG General Gymnastics Colloquium/ Copenhagen, Denmark
8-9 NationsBank U.S. World Team Trials (M/W)/ Austin, TX
19-24 Rhythmic World Championships/ Vienna, Austria
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October 1995
S M Tu W Th F S
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
8 9 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30 31

1-10 Artistic World Championships/ Sabae City, Japan
4-7 Olympic Congress of the USA/ Atlanta, GA
8 BROADCAST World Champs/ ABC, TBD
14-15 U.S. Junior Olympic Group Championships (R)/ San Francisco, CA
15 BROADCAST World Champs/ ABC, TBD
27-30 Third Annual USA National GymFest (M/W/R)/ Carmel, IN
28-29 Junior Women's British Championships/ Liverpool, England
28-29 Camberley International (W)/ Camberley, England
28-29 Trofeo Trinacria d'Oro (W)/ Catania, Italy
30-11/6 Sports Acro World Championships/ Wroclaw, Poland
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November 1995
S M Tu W Th F S
1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30

1-4 Australia Cup/ Sydney, Australia
16-17 Pre-Olympic Invitational (M/W)/ Atlanta, GA
17-19 British Men's Championships/ Nottingham, England
24-26 DTB Pokal/ Stuttgart, Germany
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December 1995
S M Tu W Th F S
1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30
31

1-3 Swiss Cup/ Zurich, Switzerland
1-3 European Junior Championships Team Final/ Charleroi, Belgium
7-9 Grand Prix/ Birmingham, England
16-17 Chunichi Cup/ Nagoya, Japan
18-22 Junior international/ Canberra, Australia
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January 1996
S M Tu W Th F S
1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 29 30 31

TBA Reese's International Gymnastics Cup (M/W)/ TBA
13 West Point Open/ West Point, NY
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February 1996
S M Tu W Th F S
1 2 3
4 5 6 7 8 9 10
11 12 13 14 15 16 17
18 19 20 21 22 23 24
25 26 27 28 29

TBA USAG Winter Cup Challenge (M)/ Colorado Springs, CO
9-11 American Classic/ Tulsa, OK
15-20 USAG Rhythmic Challenge/ TBA
16-18 Buckeye Classic (W)/ Columbus, OH
29-3/2 American Cup (M/W)/ TBA
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March 1996
S M Tu W Th F S
1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30
31

5 USAG International Mixed Pairs/ TBA
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April 1996
S M Tu W Th F S
1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 29 30

13 NCAA Regionals/ TBA
14-15 Artistic World Championships/ San Juan, Puerto Rico
25-27 NCAA Nationals (W)/ Tuscaloosa, AL
26-27 NCAA Nationals (M)/ TBA
27-28 USAG Elite zone championships (W)/ TBA
TBA USAG Collegiate Championships (M/W)/ TBA
TBA USAG Collegiate Nat'l Invit. Tournament/ Cape Girardeau, MO
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May 1996
S M Tu W Th F S
1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30 31

TBA Canadian National Champs. (M/W)/ Sault St. Marie, Ontario
2-5 Junior Olympic Nationals (W)/ Duluth, GA
10-12 Junior Olympic Nationals (M)/ Tulsa, OK
16-19 U.S. Classic/ TBA
25-27 U.S. Gymnastics Festival (?)/ TBA
28-6/1 U.S. National Championships/ Knoxville, TN
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June 1996
S M Tu W Th F S
1
2 3 4 5 6 7 8
9 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
30

21-23 Rhythmic World Championships/ Budapest, Hungary
25-30 U.S. Olympic Team Trials/ Shawmut Center (M/W),
Wang Center (R), Boston, MA
Contact: Bob Colarossi, phone 617-443-4909
27-30 USAG Congress/ Boston, MA
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July 1996
S M Tu W Th F S
1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 29 30 31

19-8/4 Games of the XVIth Olympiad/ Atlanta, GA
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August 1996
S M Tu W Th F S
1 2 3
4 5 6 7 8 9 10
11 12 13 14 15 16 17
18 19 20 21 22 23 24
25 26 27 28 29 30 31

12 Gymn's Fourth Anniversary
16-27 Xth Paralympic Games/ Atlanta, Ga.
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September 1996
S M Tu W Th F S
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
8 9 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30

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October 1996
S M Tu W Th F S
1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30 31

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November 1996
S M Tu W Th F S
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3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30

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December 1996
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7
8 9 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30 31

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August 1997

13-16 USA National Championships (M/W)/ TBA
14-17 USAG Congress
31-9/12 World University Games, Sicily, ITA
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July 1998

25-8/9 Goodwill Games, New York, N.Y.
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Summer 1999

TBD World University Games, Palma de Mallorca, ESP
TBD XIIIth Pan American Games, Winnipeg, Manitoba, CAN
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September 2000

16-10/1 Games of the XXVIIth Olympiad, Sydney, AUS
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October 2000

21-11/1 XIth Paralympic Games, Sydney, AUS
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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 23:21:37 -0700
From: ***@ACCESSNV.COM
Subject: Re: WOW! What a fast meet!


> Greg,
> Since we're both here in Las Vegas, I was wondering when the Las
> Vegas Gymnastics Invitational is going to be and where it's going to be
> held. I work at the Sands as a Casino Promotions Rep and want to know
> when I should ask for a day off.
>


Probably in February 1996 location to be determined.

Greg

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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:39:22 BST
From: ***@LINCOLN.GPSEMI.COM
Subject: Re: Smiles from Kerri

Katie asked thequestion in her message :

> Are there any coaches out there who can
>respond to this question, how do coaches handle training two (or
>more) potential competitors without favoritism? Is it possible?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Katie

A very difficult question to answer but as a coach I will have a go.There
many problems in training one or more potential competitors, and the very
least is favouritism.

During the build up to the competition season, and the many long gym hours
spent with the squads on conditioning and routine programmes, the many
factors that go towards the final decision on who will be entered for
competition are reviewed, possibly by more than just one coach. Now there
could be a situation where a gymnast, or two, in the squad may be very
close perfecting a skill, in the build up towards the competition,and with
a moreof a coach's time will ensure perfomance on the day. Therefore more
of a coaches attention will be paid to these gymnasts, at this time,
rather than on the rest of the squad.
Also as part of a medium term plan a typical national squad gymnast may be
peaking for only two major meets during a competition period therefore it
is natural that he or she will be the focus of coaching attention at those
times.

In some ways this could be misinterpreted as favouritism.But this is '
favouritism ' for technical reasons. Depending on the squad's progress at
other times during the competition season, other gymnasts will be fielded
at other meets ,and hopefully with the same degree of coaching attention.


I hope I have answered just one aspect of this complex issue,


John

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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 07:28:01 -0400
From: ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: Re: Beathard/Zmeskal

So has Jennie retired?
I can't remember how old she is...is she looking to compete at the NCAA
level?

Anjel

> Dear Gymners,
>
> In today's newspaper(The Orlando Sentinel), it said that Jennie Beathard
> concluded her Brown's Gymnastics career with her uneven bars routine in
> the finals at the USOF. Jennie said: "I'm so glad I went out doing good,
with
> a fun experience. The ending here makes up for last week." Last week, she
> failed to make the World Universtiy Games team by placing eigth at Classic.
>
> Bharwaj said that the meet gives her alot of confidence going into Nationals.
>
> Bharwaj said the she intends to transfer from Lake Brantley High School to
> Lake Highland Preperatory, saying that the private school will work better
> with her gymnastics schedule.
>
> The paper also said that Kim Zmeskal received an invitation to Nationals after
> US Gymnastics Federation officials went to Houston and judged her fitness.
>
> Gymnastically yours,
> David =]
>

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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 07:44:24 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Trivia Answers #31: Shooting Stars

Those of you still guessing, you may want to bypass the answers for now.
Otherwise, go to it!

Thanks for questions to:
#1-5 Jeff
#6 Mara
#7 Simone
#8-10 Adriana

1. Which gymnast has won two world cups but did not qualify for the all
around finals in two Olympics?

Maria Filatova.

2. Which gymnasts (m & f) won the 1986 European Juniors then dissappeared
two years later?

Svetlana Ivanova & Alexander Kolyavanov

3. Which gymnast won a gold medal at the 1979 World Championships then two
years later won no medals at all, and shortly thereafter retired?

Emelia Eberle, (FX)

4. Who was the only Bulgarian gymnast to ever win the European Championship
and then was injuried and retired only to later become his national team's
coach?

Stoyan Deltchev (1979)

5. Which gymnast won the first Goodwill Games All Around and then lost her
place on her national team the following year?

Vera Kolesnikova (1986)

6. This gymnast of the 1980s went from World All-Around Champion to 6th on
her team in two consecutive World Championships. Who was she?

Aurelia Dobre '87 & '89

7. Which Soviet gymnast, famous for her twisting skills
(eg RO, full twisting back salto onto bars and beam, and RO, full twist onto
vault, full twisting tuck back off) was the surprise 1987 European silver
medalist???

Aleftina Priakhina

8. The first female gymnast to throw a full-twisting double layout in world
competition was pretty much unheard of before the meet in which she did the
skill and pretty much never heard from again. Who was she?

Tatiana Tuzhikova (URS)

9. This American won the only major world event she competed in, then
retired shortly after

Mary Lou Retton

10. This European and Olympic champ was still just up and coming the year
before her victories; following her Olympic win, she failed to place higher
than 5th at the meets she entered, and her competitive career fizzled.

Tatiana Gutsu

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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 06:31:03 -0600
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject: Statistics

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| * Netherlands 3
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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:56:06 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Trivia Answers #31: Shooting Stars

I'm not trying to slam Mara since I know she relies on others for the trivia
questions but this batch was highly suspect. I realize that everyone's
definition of "shooting star" may differ but there seems to be some glaring
errors in this quiz.

>1. Which gymnast has won two world cups but did not qualify for the all
>around finals in two Olympics?
>Maria Filatova.

The question itself is accurate but it doesn't seem to reflect the spirit of
the quiz. Maria was the youngest member of the '76 team and hardly expected
to make the AA finals. Her '80 performance was a dissappointment but not the
end of the world. As the question said she *was* a World Cup champion
(nothing to sneeze at) *and* a World AA medalist. She had a long and highly
successful career ... I wouldn't call her a "shooting star" by any means ...
Her international career lasted over 6 years.

>2. Which gymnasts (m & f) won the 1986 European Juniors then >dissappeared
two years later?
>Svetlana Ivanova & Alexander Kolyavanov

Well Amanda <gurova@aol.com> already pointed out that this question is wrong
in it's basic facts. Ivanova & Kolvanov won the *1988* European Jr.
Championps *not* the '86 one.

In 1986 Soviets swept the AA medals - men and women - Boginskaya and
Kolyvanov got the gold, Strazheva and Schepotschkin the silver, and
Priakhiana and Novikov the bronze. All went on to relatively successful
careers and, with the exception of Schepotshkin, were all part of a major
Soviet team (European, World, or Olympics).

In 1988, the Soviet men again went one, two, and three. Kolyvanov repeated as
the champion followed by Marinich and Yermakov.

Kolyvanov was the '92 Unified Olympic Alternate and a medalist at the '92
European Champions for Russia. He now lives and coaches in Iowa. I think the
general gymnastics consensus *is* that he didn't live up to his great early
potential but that may have more to due with his conflict with the Soviet
coaching staff then his actual talent. Regardless, you can hardly call his
gymnastics career a failure. Nor was it at all brief, he competed for a good
8 years - at *least* - internationally!

For the women in '88 a Soviet, Svetlana Ivanova, again won but the Romanians
claimed the next 3 spots (Potorac, Bontas, and E. Popa). Her career was cut
tragically short in '89 when she broke both her ankles performing a double
layout punch front (a skill she often did successfully). She was among the
first, the first I saw anyway, to perform that ultra-difficult skill. Her
time in the spotlight *was* brief, but for good reason.

>3. Which gymnast won a gold medal at the 1979 World Championships then >two
years later won no medals at all, and shortly thereafter retired?
>Emelia Eberle, (FX)

Eberle is another one that had a remarkably long lasting career and
successful career. She may have had a dismal time in '81 but the year before
at the Olympics, in the same arena, she had a great time. She won 2 silvers
(team and bars), finished 6th in the AA (she was 3rd after team and this was
back during the days of carry over), and qualified for 3 of the four event
finals. Hardly a lack of success and with an Int'l career that spanned from
at least '77-'82 not much of a "shooting star."

>5. Which gymnast won the first Goodwill Games All Around and then lost >her
place on her national team the following year?
>Vera Kolesnikova (1986)

Again Goodwill Games was hardly the only meet that Vera made her mark in. She
was a member of the '85 World Championship team among others.

>10. This European and Olympic champ was still just up and coming the >year
before her victories; following her Olympic win, she failed to place >higher
than 5th at the meets she entered, and her competitive career fizzled.
>Tatiana Gutsu

I'd say Gutsu was more "up and coming" in 1990 when she came to the US for
the Goodwill Games/USA vs USSR meets. Even by then she was a vetern of many
Int'l invites. In early '91 she *won* the European Cup (bringing her lifetime
total of major Int'l titles to 3 - Euro Cup, Europeans, & the Olympics -
which is pretty damn good I'd say) and placed 5th AA in the '91 Worlds, where
she also came away with 2 indivdual medals along with the team gold.

Like I said before I know it's all in how you look at it. In Gymnastics,
like Hollywood, a *true* "overnight success" is rare. The situation
usually is just that the general public didn't know of the person until they
win something big.

~Susan

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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 07:53:45 -0500
From: ***@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
Subject: Criticism, USOF and Collegiate

1)Real quick, I think Beathard just meant she is done competing USGF.
As far as I have heard, she is still going to Georgia in the fall.

2)Any luck on identifying Brink's music? If worst comes to wrost, I will
call our school (Div. III UW-Oshkosh). One of our gymnasts used it too. :)

3)Now, about the criticism. First, NOTE TO WHOEVER POSTED ABOUT KATIE DYSON!
Please show this part to Katie. I'm honestly thrilled to hear how well she
did coming back after an injury. Those kind of courageous stories make
gymnastics special.

That said, I have to comment that we all have been posting honest, play
by play repeats of what we saw on TV, trying to get the point across to
others. I for one, meant no real nastiness towards Alexis brion's floor,
I just think she needs to mature dancewise. No wonder, she is 4'1" and 12
years old, what do we expect. For as old as she is, she is amazing. But we
are simply giving our opinions, which is what I thought the whole mailing
list was about. Judging from Billy's past reports, noone thought they were
overly critical before. I appreciate his honest report on what happened,
since most of us didn't nor will ever see it.

I'm not underplaying Katie's distress over seeing that. I can very much
understand. I spent four years in forensics, and being publicly critiqued
can be very hard. But you learn to adjust as you go. I'm sorry we offended
her, but, from what I saw, it sure wasn't intentional.

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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 16:12:44 MET
From: ***@SEPA.TUDELFT.NL
Subject: Re: Trivia Answers #31: Shooting Stars

I fully agree with Susan that the answers to these questions were
a bit odd. But I do want to make some remarks as well.

For the women in '88 a Soviet, Svetlana Ivanova, again won but the
Romanians claimed the next 3 spots (Potorac, Bontas, and E. Popa).
Her career was cut tragically short in '89 when she broke both her
ankles performing a double layout punch front (a skill she often did
successfully). She was among the first, the first I saw anyway, to
perform that ultra-difficult skill. Her time in the spotlight *was*
brief, but for good reason.

>Svetlana broke only one ankle at the Russian Display in London, this
wasn't a pretty sight, but she was trying to walk again the week
after at the Russian Display in Waregem Belgium. Her success
continued when she entered the Sports Acro scene as a tumbler

5. Which gymnast won the first Goodwill Games All Around and then
lost her place on her national team the following year?
Vera Kolesnikova (1986)

>I know for sure she was still around a few years later on she is
from Voronesh (see below), making the first 6 is pretty hard if there
are approx. 40 contenders at the same level.

>About the Tatiana Tuzhikova, do you mean (Mara) Tatiana
Tougikova, 1987 worlds? yes she was suddenly there but she
definitely did not disappear suddenly , she was at a Russian tour in
the US and trained in South-Africa, and she happens to be a coach in
Holland as we speak. Before she and her husband came to Holland
from Voronesh, they trained a girl named Katya, she was 12th in the
junior championships of russia this year.
Not much of a disappearance!!!!!!

Chantal

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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:36:06 -0400
From: ***@PANIX.COM
Subject: Re: Trivia Answers #31: Shooting Stars

I completely agree with Susan's comments about Question #1 and Filatova.
Perhaps a better answer for this question would have been Stella
Zakharova, who also won the World Cup twice. That's not to say that she
was a "shooting star"; her career was not as long as Filatova's, though.

And regarding Eberle, didn't she compete (and medal) at the '83
University Games in Edmonton?

Debbie

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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 13:58:55 -0400
From: ***@PANIX.COM
Subject: Re: U.S Classic Report #3

>Billy,
>
>I just read your report on the US Classic, and really
>wanted let you know you hurt and offended quite a few
>people here.

[bunch of stuff snipped]

>...Instead, she is told her vault is "low and loose" and
>her straddle back is "weak" and "nowhere near a handstand."

[more snips]

>She showed me your note yesterday. She had tears in her
>eyes, and the fact that I, her parents, coaches, teammates
>and friends are all soooo proud of her went out the window.
>She fought back tears all day long,

First, I'm bewildered as to why Miss Dyson would let the comments of a
single person (and a complete stranger, at that) affect her so strongly
when she has the support of all the people mentioned above. Second, I
would hardly categorize Billy's remarks about Miss Dyson's routines at
Classic as "harsh criticism." On the contrary, Billy paid her some nice
compliments; I remember in particular his comment about her excellent UB
dismount. Lastly, I congratulate her for finishing 4th at Classic. :)


Debbie

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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 15:02:07 WET
From: ***@VNET.ATEA.BE
Subject: 10th World Gymnaestrada - Happy Gymnastics

Hi GYMNers,

I'm back after my three weeks of summer holiday. No doubt the first of
these three weeks was the most exciting week I've had in ages. As you might
remember, that week I was in Berlin for the 10th World Gymnaestrada. Some
20,000 participants from over 30 countries showed the world what general
gymnastics is all about. There were displays of all kinds with varying
levels of difficulty. Artistic and rhythmic gymnastics, tumbling and
acro-gym, minitramp, jazz dance and modern dance, rope-skipping and sports
aerobics, and much much more. You name it, it was all there.
All this was performed by gymnasts of all ages. As I heard, the youngest
participant just turned 6. The oldest one I've seen must have been well
over 80 years of age. Who said that gymnasts are old at 25 ?
Continuing on the subject of 'old gymnast', some of the displays that
impressed me the most were those performed by men and women over 60, and I
don't mean exercises which we normally associate with senior citizens
(although some of those exercises were on show too). For instance, there
was a group from Denmark with men and women all in their 60's to 80's. They
showed some some quite impressive acrogym. Also, there was a group of
Swedish men of that same age-category who did rock 'n roll dancing on
'Greased Lightning'. At the end of their dancing, I thought that most of
them were badly in need of an oxygen-mask. Boy was I wrong ! They all got
together and began to sing ! I did not really understand the words (it was
in Swedish), but I'm pretty sure they were inviting us to come to Goteborg
(Sweden) for the 11th Gymnaestrada (1999). It's an invitation I gladly
accept. As it is, after a few days I got sort of Gymnaestrada-addicted.

One aspect of the Gymnaestrada I like very much is that you meet people
from all over the world. Despite all their differences, they have one thing
in common, namely the love of gymnastics. It's like one big family.
Incidently, this is also one of the aspects of the GYMN-forum. Therefor,
some time ago, I launched a request on GYMN to get in touch with other
participants. The one that responded to my request was Helen Crewe (RSA),
who is a regular contributor to the list. We managed to meet in Berlin,
which proves again that "it's a small world after all".
BTW, I very much enjoyed watching the different displays from the South
African teams. They all showed the spirit of the new South Africa: no
matter what color, age or background, everyone took part. They even had a
display with wheelchair gymnastics! It's delightful to see that a country
which for so many years was absent from the sports scene, due to an unjust
political system, now sets the example for the rest of the world in showing
us how we can all live, work and do sports together.
Another person I met there was 'Mr.USAG' Steve Whitlock. Anyone who wants
more information on general gymnastics can contact him at USGF@delphi.com

If I had to write down all the impressions I got that week, I think I could
fill an entire book. But who would be interested in a book that tells you
that gymnastics is fantastic, much fun and healthy ? ;-)
This brings me to the last part of this message. Any writer or journalist
who writes "Pretty Girls ..."-like books or articles, as well as those who
know the gymnastics world only from that kind of writings, should be forced
to go and see the Gymnaestrada. I'm sure they'd change their opinion then.
If waiting for 4 years is too long, and Sweden is a bit too far, I'd
encourage them to attend the annual American Gymfest or any event of that
kind. If you need information about such events, again you can write to
Steve Whitlock (see above).
To conclude I'll use the theme of the Berlin Gymnaestrada:

Happy Gymnastics to you all,

Erik.

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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 15:31:00 -0400
From: ***@CCMAIL.ORL.MMC.COM
Subject: Re[2]: Beathard/Zmeskal

Jennie will be competing at Georgia next year.


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: Beathard/Zmeskal
Date: 8/1/95 7:28 AM


So has Jennie retired?
I can't remember how old she is...is she looking to compete at the NCAA
level?

Anjel

> Dear Gymners,
>
> In today's newspaper(The Orlando Sentinel), it said that Jennie Beathard
> concluded her Brown's Gymnastics career with her uneven bars routine in
> the finals at the USOF. Jennie said: "I'm so glad I went out doing good,
with
> a fun experience. The ending here makes up for last week." Last week, she
> failed to make the World Universtiy Games team by placing eigth at Classic.
>
> Bharwaj said that the meet gives her alot of confidence going into
Nationals.
>
> Bharwaj said the she intends to transfer from Lake Brantley High School to
> Lake Highland Preperatory, saying that the private school will work better
> with her gymnastics schedule.
>
> The paper also said that Kim Zmeskal received an invitation to Nationals
after
> US Gymnastics Federation officials went to Houston and judged her fitness.
>
> Gymnastically yours,
> David =]
>

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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 15:39:38 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Northern PA gyms

I'm trying to find out what gym schools (if any) exist near Lock Haven
College in Pennsylvania. The only one that I can think of is Nittany
Gymnastics School, but I think I need something closer to the New York
border. One of the coaches from my old club is being relocated out there, so
I told her I'd try to find out what gyms exist out there. If anyone knows
anything please contact me: raybaum@aol.com.

THANKS!

erica

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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 18:15:46 CDT
From: ***@UA1VM.UA.EDU
Subject: Trivia contest

Eberle actually did not retire until 1983. She may have stopped elite level
competition after 1981, but like Nadia she hung around and competed in the
World University Games.

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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 19:29:45 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Hair

I also noticed that Kerri's hair was cut. She looks a lot like marylou
retton. Also, did anyone hear anything recently about a girl named Marissa
Medal. I saw her in a compitition last year and she was 12 and REALLY good.
Then she kind of dissapeared or at least she hasn't been on TV for a while
from what I saw. If anyone can give me any info thanks a bunch!!
Kathy

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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 18:34:37 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: An actual USOF MEN'S GYMNASTICS QUESTION!

I noticed that the FX winner did a THOMAS salto on floor (full twisting
1 and 3/4 arabian). Wasn't that move devalued since it was considered one
of the too risky moves that several gymnasts (Mark Caso, UCLA- I believe,
and Mukihina, 1978 World AA and FX champion) broke their necks trying to
perform? Or was it only devalued for the women?


And, what is with the USGF and women's vaulting. In Worlds and Olympics, they
get two vaults but they average them. Why does the USGF allow them to still
take the higher score? Should it try to make gymnasts stick both vaults
instead of being able to throw one away?

Jeff

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