GYMN-L Digest - 24 Mar 1995 to 25 Mar 1995

There are 9 messages totalling 285 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

1. SEC/Gainesville, FL
2. Intro
3. scAM Cup (2)
4. France Telecom results
5. preempting (fwd)
6. Gym Stars
7. VISA Challenge
8. scAM cup

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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 23:25:28 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: SEC/Gainesville, FL

Off to Gainesville, Fl for the SEC...............
We will report scores late Sunday night! unless someone posts
it first.......

Some images available by Tuesday. E-mail for voice line for the
BBS number.

Good luck to all......but, GO GO GYM DOGS!!!!!!!! : )

Gymnastically yours,

Jim and Lori

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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 10:06:27 +0200
From: ***@MAIL.LSS.CO.ZA
Subject: Intro

Hello, sawubona, hallo, dumela
These are four of the many ways to say "hello" in my country, South Africa.

My name is Helen, I'm 12 years old and live in Johannesburg, South
Africa.I am a Junior Olympic gymnast and train 5 days a week for 5 hours
a day.Later this year I will be participating in the 10th World Gymnaestrada
in Berlin, Germany.

I subscribe to IG and Gym Stars.I got the gymn address from the latter, a
British magazine.

My favourite gymnasts are, wait for it, Khorkina, Kochetkova, Fabrichnova,
Podkopayeva, Omelienchik, Dawes, Zmeskal, Mo Huilan, Milosovici, Gogean,
Silivas and Boginskaya.There are more :-)

If anyone is going to the Gymnaestrada, please let me know.I'd love to meet
you.

Bye, totsiens, salakahle, from Helen.

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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 09:46:45 -0500
From: ***@WAM.UMD.EDU
Subject: scAM Cup

These are belated comments but ......

After the American Cup there were some comments made that this event
is practically fixed so that American Gymnasts (on the women's side)
come out the victor of the meet.

I have to say that since 1990 no one has really competed well enough
to beat an american women gymnasts. I will agree that the scores
are inflated but the gymnasts from the other countries have lost
the event outright.

Someone mention that after the way that Ludmilla Stobvtchataia (91),
Kalinina (90), Podkopayeva(94), Piskun (93 & 94) were treated its no
wonder that they didn't return....well these gymnasts outright took
themselves out of the running.

Kalinia had huge steps off bars and bobbles on beam
Stobvtchataia was in 5th going into the last rotation (don't know
what happened in the other rotations)
Podkopayeva -fall off beam and out of bounds on floor.
Piskun-93:steps back on first pass on floor, 2nd pass was a single layout!
94:bad mount on beam, almost fell off on bhs-back w/full twist

Like i said the scores for some of the americans might have been inflated
but the other contenders never really challanged.

comments ???????

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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 10:36:14 -0700
From: ***@ASU.EDU
Subject: Re: France Telecom results

Sherwin wrote:

>> her floor (from 94 Jr Euros, maybe she has a new one by now) is downright
>> funky and the back spin is too cool of course.

>I think she is still having the same floor (the above mentioned sounds
>like it although I can't remember how her 94 Junior Euro floor was)

Well, for all you who are in the dark, the French are fantastic and don't
judge them by Elodie's floor from the American Cup. Begue goes wild on
her floor routine and has great tumbling too with no front full filling
(whip to triple full, tuck full-in, another triple full). Certain people
don't like Begue Alix but they are just wrong Alix and you know someone
is cool when they have that two dot thingy (what IS it called) in their
name.

>The announcer said "$%$&%#&&%^&" (French)

He said, "Vive La Khorkina!!!"

>and the commentator said "*#&%$(&*%(" (German).

He said, "Saalto! Acrobatikshvan cornenflakens yum yum!"


I have proof


Amanda

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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 16:05:44 EST
From: ***@EXPERT.CC.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: preempting (fwd)

> Subject: preempting
>
> I can sympathize with Lani and other people in cities that preempt
> gymnastics. Back when CBS had the rights to American Cup, the local
> affiliate here in Columbus ALWAYS preempted it. I met a gym fan here who never
> knew the meet was EVER shown on TV! When I moved here in 1989, CBS preempted
it
> for a rerun of Columbo. I was SO mad that I did write to the station, and they
> sent me the most ridiculous reply. The program director said that there was NO
> interest in gymnastics in Columbus, whereas Columbo was very popular. I could

Being from Marysville, which is near Columbus, I have had to endure this
for years too. If there was ever gymnastics or figure skating on a
Sunday afternoon, there was always a Columbo or John Wayne movie
on instead. Saturdays were never really as bad, OSU basketball excluded.
I was home from school this year the weekend of the figure skating championships
and my mom and I were busy flipping from the basketball game to the
Dayton channel that was showing the skating (which was pretty fuzzy).
There are calls many weekends between my mom and I asking each other to
tape a figure skating or gymnastics event b/c one of us isn't getting it.

Viewer letters will help but I think we have a long way to go before we
convince the local affiliates that the public really does want to
see gymnastics.

Lori

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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 19:01:26 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Gym Stars

Could someone please tell me how I can subscribe to Gym Stars magazine?
Thanks!

Ann Marie

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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 19:19:00 PST
From: ***@POWERGRID.ELECTRICITI.COM
Subject: Re: scAM Cup

>These are belated comments but ......
>
>
>I have to say that since 1990 no one has really competed well enough
>to beat an american women gymnasts. I will agree that the scores
>are inflated but the gymnasts from the other countries have lost
>the event outright.

--- comments snipped for brevity ---
>

>
>Like i said the scores for some of the americans might have been inflated
>but the other contenders never really challanged.
>
>comments ???????

No problemo: Been there, done that.

For starters, on TV you never see day one. Check the prelim scores from
last year for Pod and Piskun: They HIT on the first day, despite having
arrived the day before with a 8-9-hour time difference.

We discussed this at that meet. By finals, oh yeah, for a 9.8 routine you
can have 9.7, but what about the demoralization of the first day, where you
got 9.5 for the same set?

By finals, you know not to give a rip. So they don't. Hey, Disneyworld tomorrow.

Kalinina was doing far higher difficulty than Zmeskal with better-quality
execution. Of course the judges should hit her mistakes, but there has to
be a way to address the other discrepancies between routines. Their job is
to rank the gymnasts. It is a competition, after all. (Oh, woops, this is
the American Cup.)

We are, of course, only questioning the judges here ... the gymnasts are
beyond reproach. But an average routine should get an average score.

And we haven't touched on the boys. Anybody remember Brian Ginsberg vs.
Gogoladze? Kristie Phillips out-tumbled Brian at that meet ...

So yes, the foreign athletes often give away American Cup finals, but when
they do hit, the scores aren't there. And they all know the meet is a joke.
It has no importance in the grand scheme of things. Why try?

Just a few thoughts.

(Come to think of it, what meet isn't a joke in some way?)

With all due cynicism,
Nancy


*******
Nancy

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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 22:20:06 -0500
From: ***@WAM.UMD.EDU
Subject: Re: VISA Challenge

Anyone know why the Visa challange (usa/blr/chn) is scheduled for two
day back to back....will there be something like compulsories one
day optionals the next....

please fill me in....

thanks

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Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 22:43:15 -0500
From: ***@WAM.UMD.EDU
Subject: Re: scAM cup

p
Comments on your comments:

True, most of us never get to see prelims so we really don't know
how the scores would look like anyway...but what would the judges
get out of scoring the other competitors low...after all they are going
to get into the finals anyway since the US can only have two competitors
...unless of course they over score the americans to ensure that
two americans get in ...but as i recall reading all the judges are
not american correct???
v
>Kalinina was doing far higher difficulty than Zmeskal with better-quality
>execution. Of course the judges should hit her mistakes, but there has to
>be a way to address the other discrepancies between routines. Their job is
>to rank the gymnasts. It is a competition, after all. (Oh, woops, this is
>the American Cup.)

no arguments here that Kalinina was throwing much more difficulty
than Zmeskal...the point is we have all seen that the most difficult
sets dont always win ...its a risk you take...ask the chinese on beam
and bars where they have given a title away outright on a dismount...


>>(Come to think of it, what meet isn't a joke in some way?)

this is a great point...lets face it in the past US and other countries
have suffered at the hands of soviet/german/romanin etc judging...

There is no doubt that the scores are inflated for American (i only
can speak for the women side) scores...but there has not been a
situation since 1990 where another gymnast from another country
has hit 4 solid routines. Yes the americans may have had easier
routines some of the years but a clean (even if simpler) routine
seems to get higher marks from the judges...ask Dawes when her
set which was way difficult lost the gold on beam to Milosovici in the
1993(?) worlds...so the americans have also suffered.....

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