GYMN-L Digest - 20 Jul 1995 to 21 Jul 1995
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are 20 messages totalling 443 lines in this
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Topics of the day:
1. US Olympic Festival (4)
2. heights
(4)
3. U.S. Classic
4. Tall gymnasts
5. Classic (2)
6. Miller's height
7. Too many goddamn things, but listen anyyhow
8.
One more thing
9. Olympics
Trials. (2)
10. Silivas? & Shushunova (was Gurova et al)
11. Olympic preview
12. heights\short
gymnasts
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Date:
Thu, 20 Jul 1995
23:03:23 -0400
From:
***@DELPHI.COM
Subject: US Olympic Festival
Dear Gymners,
Does anyone know when and on what channel
they will broadcast the gymnastics
from the US Olympic Festival? The Festival started today!
Gymnastically
yours,
David =]
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 22:07:05
-0700
From: ***@ACCESSNV.COM
Subject:
Re: US Olympic Festival
> Dear Gymners,
>
>
Does anyone know when and on what channel they will
broadcast the gymnastics
> from the US Olympic
Festival? The Festival started
today!
>
> Gymnastically yours,
> David =]
>
The
Olympic Festival is being broadcast on the Prime Sports Network. If
your
cable co. carries it, you'll be able to see it. In Vegas it's on
channel
19 but only if you have cable. I
don't see anything listed in
the TV Guide until
Saturday at 5:00 PDT (Gymnastics, swimming and diving,
taped
in Colorado). That is the only
listing for gymnastics that I can find.
Greg
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 23:09:05
-0600
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject:
US Olympic Festival
| Does anyone know when and on what channel they will broadcast the gymnastics
| from
the US Olympic Festival? The
Festival started today!
Well, I don't know TV info, but I know that
gymnastics doesn't begin
for five days or so.
rachele
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 09:13:19 -0400
From: ***@PERFIT.ZKO.DEC.COM
Subject:
Re: heights
Orion writes:
>Mihai
Bagiu 5'9''
>Alexei Nemov
5'8''
>Trent Dimas 5'8''
>Zoltan Supola 5'8''?
>Dmitri Bilozerchev
5'7'' or 5'8''?
>Vitali Rudnitsky
5'7''?
>John Roethlisberger 5'7''
Being at gatherings of other
gymnasts, I always found myself to be one of the
taller
people. Pretty good for the ego
:)
Steve - a towering 5'7"
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 12:38:51
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: US Olympic Festival
| Does anyone know when and on what channel
they will broadcast the
gymnastics
| from the US Olympic Festival? The Festival started today!
This is
according to AOL:
CBS will have four days of coverage: (all times are
EDT)
July 22 4-6 boxing and figure skating
July 23 4:30-6 boxing and
figure skating
July 29 1-2 men's gymnastics and figure skating
July 30
1-4 women's gymnastics, highlights of the men's individual finals,
figure skating, and boxing
Prime TV (I guess that's a
cable channel), starting tomorrow, will have
coverage
every night from 8-10, with the exception of July 29 (from 8-12) and
July
30 (from 7-11). I think they'll be
showing gymnastics on July 23 (I
guess they mean rythmic) and July 30.
Hope this helps!
Alexis
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 13:10:35
-0500
From: ***@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU
Subject:
Re: heights
>If you look at results, you'll find that a taller
gymnast sticks around
>longer. Nadia, Bogie, Stoyanova,
Polokova, etc. all *continued* to improve
>as they got older.
Of course, they did have a "down time" as their bodies
>changed, but
>puberty
doesn't seem to be as "career-threatening" for a taller gymnast
>as it is for a shorter gymnast. (Not meaning to sound cruel ...
it's just
>an observation.)
I wonder
if these gymnasts stick around longer _because_ they are able to
survive growing taller and still improve their skills. A gymnast who can't
handle her height will drop out of the sport younger.
>The
main way I can think of that the sport has changed to support taller
>women is, obviously, the width of the uneven bars. Of course, shorter
>gymnasts don't exactly object to that ;) but that change
probably kept
>many taller gymnasts from retiring.
This
seems likely, although there's another side to it. When the bars were
closer together, taller gymnasts just didn't swing
giants. The stuck to
stalters, toe-ons
and clear hips. They could even do
impressive between
bar releases out of belly beats
(or they could stick to browses).
Single
bar release moves and dismountsw were much harder, though.
>-For
those of you that have seen the documentary "The Romanian Dream"
>you'll know their "screening" procedure for
selecting young girls.
>The ROM coaches (at least the ones in the
documentary) preferred
>girls with longer arms
and legs and they would take a look at the
>parents
and grand-parents to predict how the girl would grow
>and
thus decide whether or not she was "suitable" for gymnastics.
>They
don't want the short/stocky gymnasts.
I assume because they
>know that a
taller person will be leaner, thus less worrying
>about
weight/appearance etc.
Fascinating. Milo's double layout always amazes
me.
>Hope to stir up a little discussion here...
Wish
granted. :-)
>-----------------------------
>DORY
--- the guy from Canada
>-----------------------------
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 13:10:39
-0500
From: ***@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU
Subject:
Re: heights
I think Shannon Miller is 4' 11 1/2, which puts her almost
in the tall
camp. She's had a lot of problems handling her
height, though, unlike
Khorkina, Milo, or Gogean. I still
think she's one of the most beautiful
gymnasts
around (I'm partial to the graceful types with good dance), but
her tumbling and her vaulting really have suffered, as well
as her dreaded
double layout of UB.
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 12:48:43
CDT
From: ***@PROCTR.CBA.UA.EDU
Subject:
Re: heights
I should be seeing Shannon at the U.S. Classic this
weekend in
Birmingham, Alabama, along with Dom Dawes. It will be interesting to
see how she is keeping up with her height. It's been a while since
I've seen
Shannon compete.
For those of you who don't know, along with the Classic
this weekend
will be the World University Games
Team Trials. Can't wait!!
Shawn
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 13:04:14
CDT
From: ***@PROCTR.CBA.UA.EDU
Subject:
U.S. Classic
Just got word that most of the big names will be at the
Classic in
Birmingham: Shannon, Dom, Amanda Borden, and Amy
Chow. Thought I would pass it along!!
Shawn
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 14:28:03
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Tall gymnasts
Heres a couple I thought of
that I dont think have been listed:
Amanda Borden
(5')??
Summer Reid (5'3'')
Jenni Beatherd (5'1'')
These are a couple I
can think of off the top of my head w/o checking my
tapes. What about extremely short
gymnasts? Mo Hulian
and Jennie Thompson
come to mind. Any gymnasts under 4
feet?
TTFN,
Anne
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 15:59:33
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Classic
Isn't Kim Zmeskal going to compete
at the U.S. Classic???
Ann Marie
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 16:03:14
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Miller's height
Someone wrote that Shannon Miller was 4'6" in
Barcelona, but she was actually
4'7". NBC announced it wrong the entire games
(they also said she weighed 69
lbs., when she was
really 72 lbs.).
Ann Marie
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:24:54
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Classic
I'm flad to hear that so many of my
favorites will be at the Classic.
Did
they start today? Will someone please post results as soon
as they are
known. Also, anyone know any more about whether
this will be televised?
Thanks.
-Emily
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:05:01
-0500
From: ***@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
Subject:
Too many goddamn things, but listen anyyhow
Date
sent: 21-JUL-1995 16:58:00
I'm
sorry my mail messages tend to be so long, but I wait till I can get
on line for free to send e-mail, and the number I use is
very busy. Anyhow,
here we go:
1)Regarding heights and the recent debate, I personally enjoy
the
added height, but it takes a while for
gymnasts to adjust. Take Milo,
for instance, she
was slow and cumbersome at first (93 worlds), but
she
really has become a better gymnast. And, BTW, Summer Reid is
5'6", I
believe.
2)Regarding the Olympic selection
process: I would never agree
that the selection
process that denied Dianne Durham a spot on
the
Olympic team was fair. But our current system isn't fair
to
the athletes, and doesn't seem to work anyhow. The team's performance
in Barcelona sufferred because the
athlets were doubting themselves.
There were many
stupid errors (Strug not sticking her bars
dismount,
Dawes' wobbles on beam, Miller's problems on floor, other stuff,
too),
which I feel would have been avoided if
there had been one trials that
solidified the
team. 1988's team, while embroiled in controversy about
the
coaching, was unified and working together. 1992, on the other hand,
saw gymnasts ignoring their teammates. So...what do you do?
I understand
the jusification
about putting the best athlets on the floor, but
it doesn't seem to be helping.
3)Anyone
know whether Larissa Fontaine is deferring her acceptance
to Stanford, or is going this year?
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:09:31
-0500
From: ***@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
Subject:
One more thing
Date sent:
21-JUL-1995 17:08:34
Can someone please explain this new floor move
of Amy Chow's
to me? It keeps getting discribed as an arabian
double front
with an extra half tweist, which, if I am thinking right, is
simply a full-in. Or is it a double front with a half
twist?
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 19:10:13
-0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:
Olympics Trials.
No one is going to like ANY form of deciding the top
6 gymnasts when there
are more than six gymnasts
who are all fighting for these spots.
There is no FAIR way of doing it
and anyway that is tried is only going
to get
questioned and attacked. Perhaps they should go for a
way
which promotes unity (a.k.a the trials ONLY) since
that way is the
BEST for producing a unified team.
BTW: It is really interesting that when
you look
at it, Mills (1988) was so much better the athlete than the rest of
the team, perhaps there was no problem dealing "getting
the job done"
with the rest of the team. In
Barcelona, 4 years and MULTIPLE world medals
later,
you have three gymnasts with WORLD MEDALS at the top, and the rest
fighting it out in the early line up. Perhaps the 1992 team
was more
polarized by its structure than by the
method of its selection?
In the past, other countries have been made
up of multi medal winners, but
this is a new thing
for the Americans. And except for the team medal in
1994, only two american women have individual
world medals (Shannon and
Dawes). Perhaps if an American DOESN'T win the
world AA just before
Atlanta, then there may be less pressure on the
individuals and
more focus on the team. Americans
can do it. They did it in Dortmund,
where no
individual medals were at stake, and brought home a silver.
Just
my thoughts....rambling on at the terminal on Friday
night at- OH MY
GOD 7:15!
UGH!
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:20:29
-0400
From: ***@PRISM.GATECH.EDU
Subject:
Re: Silivas? & Shushunova
(was Gurova et al)
B
> > After
finishing behind Baraksanova & Zabrodina in the AA at 84 Euro
> > Juniors in
Rimini, and winning BB, she went on, in my opinion, to become
> > the greatest female gymnast in history.............what I
wouldn't do to
> > see Shushunova's
AA vault in Seoul scored fairly!
> >
> I think Silivas won more world and olympic medals than than
anyone since
Larissa
> Latynina, if I remember correctly. And I have *always* believed that the
AA
> gold in Seoul should have been Daniela's. If you go back and look at the
final
> vaults of both gymnasts, what you will see on the first
vault is a SLIGHT
scoot
I am not going to question Silvas's Seoul problems, but at times she
was greatly overscored. Look at
the 1989 Europeans (Beam, in particular)
Overscoring
and scoring problems happen to all gymnasts. It is always the
ones that hurt them that are talked about, not the ones that
help them.
Jeff
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:38:37
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Olympic preview
For those of us not lucky enough to be able to attend
one of the competitions
going on this weekend, NBC
will air one of its Olympic preview shows this
Sunday, July 23 at 2:30 pm
central. I don't think it will
include
gymnastics, but it might be of some
interest.
Ann Marie
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 21:01:07
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: Olympics Trials.
I agree that no selection process will ever be
perfect! One thing I didn't
get about the '92 Trials was that Betty Okino
and Michele Campi were
petitioned
onto the training squad, but Kim Zmeskal, who at that
point was
the reinging
EVERYTHING, had to complete trials.
If anyone had proven
themselves and should
have been let onto the squad, it should have been her.
I know that gets into a whole other issue
of "well, if we put so-and-so on,
we have to
put another so-and-so on too."
It just seemed to me the USGF knew
from day
one who was going to Barcelona (maybe everyone else did to).
Two
questions: Are the '96 Trails going
to be the same way...a training
squad
selection, or an absolute, this-is-the-team-that's-going Trails? Did
the '92
men go through the same process?
Ann Marie
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 22:47:59
-0400
From: ***@DELPHI.COM
Subject:
Re: heights\short gymnasts
Someone mentioned the shorter gymnasts
around. Do they still
count after they get taller?
:-) Actually, I was wondering
recently about some
of the female gymnasts who seem to have
stopped
growing and are still under 5', especially Kerri Strug,
who was one of the *shorter* members of the '94 Worlds
team,
and Kim Zmeskal,
who seemed closer to Dominique's height than
Svetlana's when they've shown
clips of them training together
on TV. Does anyone have current height listings
for them?
-Emily of Waco
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