GYMN-L Digest - 21 Apr 1995
There are 7 messages
totalling 223 lines in this issue.
Topics of
the day:
1. Double
Layouts on FX (Women).
2. NCAA
Men's Champs: Team prelims -- AA finals
3. Negativity (2)
4. Zmeskal's
vault
5. Acrobat figlet
6.
NCAA Men's Team Finals
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 18:03:52
-0400
From: ***@PRISM.GATECH.EDU
Subject:
Double Layouts on FX (Women).
have to ask this
since it goes back to my undergrad days when I w
was
discussing something with another gymnast. It is:
Who was the first women to perform a double layout on floor in
International
competetion?
My friend thought it was Mary Lou Retton, but I
thought that
Natalia Yurchenko had done on before
her and that others had done them
prior to her. I
know that E. Eberle did a Layout/pike double in
Fort
Worth- so I ask: Does anyone know of who did the double layout on
womens'
FX first?
Wasn't a chinese
gymnast doing them in 1979?
Jeff
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 16:01:54
PDT
From: ***@MCM.COM
Subject:
Re: NCAA Men's Champs: Team prelims -- AA finals
I don't mean to be a
stickler, but didn't stanford
win the regionals?
Oklahoma second and nebraska third.
Josh
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> Thank you Rachele
for the very prompt report of the results.
> I just wanted to note that
the top two teams are from the West.
> I remember after regionals,
someone noted that if the top six scores
> were
looked at, then Temple would have gone.
This is yet another
> example of judging
bias. Apparently the judges is some
areas
> boost scores up, whether knowingly or
not. If the selection were to
be
> completely fair, I believe four or even
five teams from the west deserved
> to go. And I predict that the team finals will
just be a showdown
between
> the two west teams.
And just like when nationals were in New Mexico,
> I believe
Stanford will win it all with more outstanding gymnastics.
>
>
Josh
Dave Jusczyk (Did I FINNALY get the
spelling right ?)
Called me this morning with the
prelim results.
We noted how last year Nebraska won on their home
turf.
This year with (T)OSU out of the
running, its now an even playing field.
(Regents of the university are
really miffed that we keep leaving the word
"THE"
out of their university's name.
They much prefer that we call it THE
Ohio State University.
I just got backhanded by them
last week for calling them OSU again.
Hence I now call it (T)OSU.....)
Was Nebraska REALLY the best last year ? (Gimmie a &^%$# break !)
And we notice how Oklahoma won the
regional and then fizzled.
(Can you say "GIFT POINTS"
? SURE !
SURE ! I KNEW ya' COULD !)
Well the meat and potatoes are tonight,
wish I could be there but I got
downed servers and
mangled optical fibres.
Gonna
be a LOOONNNNGGGG weekend !
ACK!
THPFT !
-texx
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 20:35:03
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: Negativity
>I would just like to say that I feel that if even
only one person is
offended by a post, that is one
too many.
Thankfully, most people realize that while courtesy is
always warranted,
personal opinion is also
important, and the two must be balanced.
I can think of *very* few
issues on which no one would be offended...
Mara
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 20:35:07
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: Zmeskal's vault
>Everyone was critizing her because she her
second
vault was poor and that was what I responded to.
If even you
acknowledge that her second vault was poor, how can you say she
is one of the best vaulters
ever?
>Bela obviously felt she had better
chances to medal on
other events, or I'm sure he
would have worried more about vault.
Obviously he's not infallible
<g>
Mara
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 19:36:13
-0600
From: ***@HARRIER.SASKNET.SK.CA
Subject:
Acrobat figlet
Hi all,
Found this
acrobat figlet I thought some of you on the list
might be
interested in.
A sample is at
the bottom which will look good depending on the
font
you're viewing it in. For those of you that don't know, use a
mono-spaced
(non-proportional) font to view. I'm using Courier/Courier New, but
System,
TTY, VT100, Screen, Terminal, FixedSys,
Line Printer, etc. are some others
that should
work.
I got it at a WWW figlet service:
http://www.inf.utfsm.cl/cgi-bin/figlet
Type
the text you want in the dialog box, then select the
font ("acrobat")
and click on
"Process".
Have fun,
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 21:42:23
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: Negativity
To all at gymn:
One thing that sticks
out in my mind is the sheer hypocrisy from (some
of)
the fans of this sport on this forum.
How can the same promoters of gymn
who are lambasting the media for its lack of attention to
gymnastics as a
"real" sport (see SI
article and thread) be at the same time refusing to let
criticism
be made where criticism is due?
One of the problems
with giving gymnastics credibilty (from the folks
at
SI or ABC or whatever) is that is it not seen as a real sport, but is
instead
just a bunch of little girls in leotards
instead of "real" athletes.
The
"real" athletes are our
football, baseball, and hockey players, the message
is. If they fail to live up to our
expectations (their abilities), the local
newscaster
starts in. The sportswriters are
free to criticize them. The
coaches get blasted for their conduct as well, and they also
get fired, often
without any sympathy. The organizations that run the sports,
like the NFL,
MLB or even NCAA are always being
criticized. There are no elitists
from the
NFL that blacklist certain members of the press for making fun of their
ridiculous policies and
politics. The referees are free
game as well. Here
in the Bay Area (where we are passionate about our athletes,
49ers or Giants
or Sharks or Stanford women's
basketball or whatever), they do jingles about
the
them on the radio. There was no
"You're being mean" leveled at the
Chronicle sportswriter who
called the old SF 49er defensive line a bunch of
"fat
slobs".
But in gymnastics, criticizing a coach results in the message that
"you're really just hurting his/her athletes." You're seen as cold and
heartless when you say that so-and-so can't dance. And that a 9.737 for a
certain routine was about half a point too high. You get "that athlete works
so hard and you have no right to blah blah
blah. . ."
Well sorry folks, but
if you want gymnasts
to be seen as the "real" athletes alongside the baseball
and basketball players, then you need to let them be subject
to the same
criticisms as them. Otherwise you're just keeping the
"not-a-real-sport" logi
c alive and well.
And continuing with
this "negativity" thread, I don't think much has
been said that has gone too far. As far as I am concerned, with life
as
well, I don't think it is right to make fun of
someone for something they
can't very well help. Making fun of a gymnast because she has
big ears or a
big nose or glasses isn't in great
taste. However, if she can't vault
but
still gets big scores (or not) her vaulting is
free game as far as I am
concerned. Gymnastics is not a trait, people. Gogean can't
do bars and she
shouldn't be European Champion
either, but it's not like we're teasing her
because
she's has bug eyes. If someone
wears an ugly leotard, well then,
it's my
prerogative to say that fluorescent orange with pink stripes and
crushed plaid velour sleeves is bad. If you disagree then you disagree. So
disagree,
it's a discussion forum! Just don't
tell me I shouldn't say it.
Like my mom says, "I may not agree
with what you say but I will defend with
my life
your right to say it."
Later,
Amanda
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 20:46:25
-0600
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject:
NCAA Men's Team Finals
Team finals -- brief results
1.
Stanford 232.400
2. Nebraska 231.525
3. Penn State 229.775
Rachele
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