gymn Digest Sat, 19 Nov 94 Volume 3 : Issue 40

Today's Topics:
Comaneci & Conner
Dortmund - Men's Comp. (2 msgs)
Dortmund - Women's comps.
Results (3 msgs)
Results/ college meets quality (2 msgs)
Team Worlds
USOC Athletes of the Year... (2 msgs)
US Team to Worlds (3 msgs)
worlds

This is a digest of the gymn@athena.mit.edu mailing list.

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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 03:09:00 UTC
From: ***@genie.geis.com
Subject: Comaneci & Conner

>From the AP wire:

Comaneci and Conner got engaged on Saturday (Nov. 12, which was Nadia's 33rd
birthday). No date has been set.

And a direct quote: "The couple will compete in the World Team Gymnastic
Championships next week in Dortmund, Germany." Say what??!?

Debbie


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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 94 03:04:00 UTC
From: ***@genie.geis.com
Subject: Dortmund - Men's Comp.

>From the AP wire....

The German men's team finished 1st the compulsory portion, followed by
Ukraine and Japan. The US is currently in 8th, due to falls from Bill Roth
(HB and PH) and Keswick (HB). Belarus is in 5th even with Scherbo's help.

1. GER 279.900 7. BUL 273.800
2. UKR 278.300 8. USA 273.550
3. JPN 277.400 9. FRA 273.500
4. RUS 277.150 10. KOR 271.600
5. BLR 275.450 11. ITA 270.200
6. CHN 274.925 12. HUN 270.325

The DPA (German Press Agency) listed the members of the German men's team:
Wecker, Nikiferow, Toba, Belenky, Walther, Franke, and Billerbeck.

Debbie

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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 94 03:04:00 UTC
From: ***@genie.geis.com
Subject: Dortmund - Men's Comp.

>From the AP wire....

The German men's team finished 1st the compulsory portion, followed by
Ukraine and Japan. The US is currently in 8th, due to falls from Bill Roth
(HB and PH) and Keswick (HB). Belarus is in 5th even with Scherbo's help.

1. GER 279.900 7. BUL 273.800
2. UKR 278.300 8. USA 273.550
3. JPN 277.400 9. FRA 273.500
4. RUS 277.150 10. KOR 271.600
5. BLR 275.450 11. ITA 270.200
6. CHN 274.925 12. HUN 270.325

The DPA (German Press Agency) listed the members of the German men's team:
Wecker, Nikiferow, Toba, Belenky, Walther, Franke, and Billerbeck.

Debbie

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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 03:09:00 UTC
From: ***@genie.geis.com
Subject: Dortmund - Women's comps.

>From the AP wire...

Women's team standings after compulsories are:

1. ROM 192.720
2. USA 192.682
3. CHN 192.321
4. RUS 192.059
5. UKR 191.283
6. BLR 188.434
7. JPN 184.620
8. ESP 182.970

The US was leading ROM through 3 events (0.862 going into the last
rotation), but Fontaine and Strug fell on UB and Miller "struggled with her
dismount" for a 9.535. Podkopayeva has the highest score thus far (39.161),
followed by Milosovici (38.949). Miller received 9.887 for B; Borden
received 9.800 for FX.

Some team rosters:

ROM: Milosovici, Gogean, Maranduca, Loaies, Amanar, Presacan and Hategan
(AP reports that she is out with a torn ligament).
CHN: Mo Huilan, Qiao Ya, Ye Linlin, Yuan Kexia, Li Xuan, He Xuemei and
Guang Yuging
FRA: Lussac, Canqueteau, Muntoni, Gely, Marconnet, Marotte, Etienne (Begue,
Severino and Couffe aren't competing according to _l'Equipe_.

Debbie


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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 94 9:28:56 CST
From: ***@admin.stedwards.edu
Subject: Results

By the time this posts most of you will have already read this news in the
newspapers, but...

USA Today reports today (Wednesday) that Shannon Miller IS in Dortmund and will
compete for the USA along with Dawes, Strug, Borden, Amy Chow, Jaycie Phelps,
and Larissa Fontaine. The format used was outlined for us yesterday by Adriana
Duffy (Thanks, Adriana!)

Also, here are the results after Tuesday's men compulsories :

1. Germany 279.900
2. Ukraine 278.300
3. Japan 277.400
4. Russia 277.150
5. Belarus 275.450
6. China 274.925
7. Bulgaria 273.800
8. USA 273.550
9. France 273.500
10. South Korea 271.600
11. Italy 270.200
12. Hungary 270.325

Again, these results are from USA Today.

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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 94 17:35:11 GMT
From: ***@ic.ac.uk
Subject: Results

> Also, here are the results after Tuesday's men compulsories :
>
> 1. Germany 279.900
> 2. Ukraine 278.300
> 3. Japan 277.400

Wow! The Germans coming out on top. I've seen quite a lot of them
recently but didn't realise they are that good...

Sherwin

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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 94 17:35:11 GMT
From: ***@ic.ac.uk
Subject: Results

> Also, here are the results after Tuesday's men compulsories :
>
> 1. Germany 279.900
> 2. Ukraine 278.300
> 3. Japan 277.400

Wow! The Germans coming out on top. I've seen quite a lot of them
recently but didn't realise they are that good...

Sherwin

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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:10:33 -0800 (PST)
From: ***@netcom.com
Subject: Results/ college meets quality

I was saddened to see the USA team down in the low 270's.

For a longtime I thought I was seeing rather mediocre feat when i caught
Stanford meets. My only comparison was the olympic coverage every 4 years.

But Stanford always gets like 280's on their meets.

Maybe STanford is more studly than I thought....
Maybe team USA needs more Stanfordites and a new coach....

Pitchforks machetes and torches anyone ?

-texx

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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:54:04 -0700 (MST)
From: ***@asu.edu
Subject: Results/ college meets quality

> I was saddened to see the USA team down in the low 270's.
>
> For a longtime I thought I was seeing rather mediocre feat when i caught
> Stanford meets. My only comparison was the olympic coverage every 4 years.
>
> But Stanford always gets like 280's on their meets.
>
> Maybe STanford is more studly than I thought....
> Maybe team USA needs more Stanfordites and a new coach....


Maybe NCAA gymnasts are overscored.


Plus, 280 or whatever is for optionals.


-Amanda

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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 94 12:08 PST
From: ***@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Team Worlds

Go China!!!

Ukraine might be a darkhorse.

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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 94 03:05:00 UTC
From: ***@genie.geis.com
Subject: USOC Athletes of the Year...

for gymnastics are Shannon Miller, Paul O'Neill and Jessica Davis.

Debbie


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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 08:56:20 -0500 (EST)
From: ***@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Subject: USOC Athletes of the Year...

> for gymnastics are Shannon Miller, Paul O'Neill and Jessica Davis.

Does anyone know why Jessica Davis? I don't know enough about rhythmic
to know what her accomplishments have been this year, but I was sort of
under the impression that Tamara Levinson was pretty much the undisputed
#1 in the US. Did Jessica have a special achievement, like Paul O'Neill
did?

:)
Adriana

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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 13:37:00 -0500 (EST)
From: ***@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Subject: US Team to Worlds

> > Only the top few teams (is it 6?) will compete in the final. The point
> > of prelims is to determine which teams will make the final. If they had
> > only a 6-team final, how would they know which countries to include? Of
> > course, some of the countries are obvious (RUS, ROM, USA, CHN in women's),
> > but what about from there? ESP, UKR, AUS, FRA -- which two would you
> > pick to finish the field? Even if the field were limited to 4, would
> > you include UKR or CHN? Anyway, it's just the same as with the last
> > several individual Worlds.
> >
>
> Is this the Olympic qualifier? IE...will the top 12 teams here go on to the
> team competition in Atlanta?

This is *not* the Olympic qualifier. That will be next fall at the
"full" Worlds in Sabae, Japan. BTW, I forgot to answer where you asked
whether the Olympics will have the same format as Dortmund. They will
not. They will be just the same as always. An additional point about
why have prelims is that we want a lot of different countries to
participate at Worlds. It's important to the development of the sport,
and countries still want to rank themselves against each other even if
they're not finals-quality teams.

:)
Adriana

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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 21:32:40 -0500 (EST)
From: ***@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Subject: US Team to Worlds

> I think it'll be a fight for the gold between Russia and Romania, and
> it's hard to say who'll win. The top few for both countries are just
> about as strong; it's the bottom few who will make the difference.
> Unlike past years, I don't think the U.S. will be fighting for the gold
> (usually it was Soviet Union/CIS-Romania-USA all with the ability to win)
> but for a bronze with China.

While I agree with the predictions for Dortmund, I have to take issue
with the analysis of the past. I don't think the US has ever contended
for the team gold ('84 doesn't count, and even if it did, it's
debatable whether they were contenders for the gold, and even if they
were, it's further debatable whether they were legitimate contenders for
the gold). The first time the US ever contended for a medal (in anything
like recent memory, anyway) was in '88, and that was a bronze at max.
Arguably that were a legitimate candidate for bronze in '89. The first
time the US contended for anything above that was in '91, and then there
was '92. To say that it was "usually" USA-ROM-USSR/CIS all competing
for gold stretches the word "usually" beyond any ordinary definition.
In any case, IMO every single one of those times, the USSR's victory was
a foregone conclusion (there might have been some doubt before '88
because Romania was the defending World Champ, but once the teams
arrived for the competition, it was evident who was superior). The US
has contended for silver, but never for gold, and Romania only
occasionally has *really* contended for gold.

Just my $0.20 (or $0.50, or at the rate I've been going today, like
$1.00. I *must* go do some work).
:)
Adriana

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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 94 21:12:55 +0000
From: ***@aris.ffk.hr
Subject: US Team to Worlds


Hello!

I predict the Russia will win the women's team title. But I am
whit China. They have wery good gymnastics.
Also, I'm not with Shannon Miller, because shi is in a good position.


Sorry for my English, I'm still learning that language.

Kamenka

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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 15:34:27 -0700 (MST)
From: ***@asu.edu
Subject: worlds

I wish I could have gone to Dortmund. I don't like this feeling. Since
I went to the last Worlds, staying home and watching highlights on TV
just isn't the same now. I vow to go to Japan. Oh well, there is going
to be some great gymnastics and I'm sure high scores. Although it is
uncertain whether the two will go together.


Go Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, China, France, Bulgaria, Cuba...

Is Greece going? I forget.


When is the first day of competition again?


Amanda

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