GYMN-L Digest - 3 Apr 1995 to 4 Apr 1995
There
are 23 messages totalling 831 lines in this
issue.
Topics of the day:
1. USA Nationals
2. the peachtree meet
3. Stupid Announcer Tricks (3)
4. Mtn Pacific stuff (7)
5. Peachtree Invitational (or was it
Kodak?)
6. commentating
(fwd)
7. Olympic Schedule
8.
Question on floor
9. Brandy
Johnson
10. Keswick status
11. Peachtree Meet
12. Weird Annoucements/Calls:
13. PEACHTREE
14. Floor mats
15. New (Anti-)Gymnastics
Book
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 00:47:08
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
USA Nationals
Hi
I
don't know if anybody has posted the teams involved in the USA collegiate
Championship
in Denton, TX at Texas Womens University but here here they are.
This list has the NCAA averages
going into the meet:
1.
William and Mary
221.00
2. USAF
219.00
3. Springfield
College
207.00
4. Sothern
CT
196.00
5. Univ. of
Vermont
195.00
6. MIT
180.00 ?
Last year only tenths seperated the top two teams but W & M came out the
victor. Hope to
See You there. Go Springfield !!
(Sorry I the Asst Coach)
:o)
Carl
- Peace
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 01:36:01
-0700
From: ***@ASU.EDU
Subject:
the peachtree meet
I
liked the meet but boy this must be the all-time worse coverage
of gymnastics. The announcers completely embarassed
themselves. I think
ESPN
did not even try. They knew going
into Monday night prime time they
had little
chance to even show up on the Neilson ratings opposite the NCAA
Basketball
finals. The staff at ESPN probably
didn't even watch it live.
Anyway, what exactly is the point of putting
these people as commentators?
I'm not talking about Maura what's-her-name, I'm talking about John Nabor
and John Tesh and whoever is there
alongside the gymnastics "educated
people." They know nothing about the sport so why
do they even
commentate?
Anyway John Nabor is a dork and I didn't like
his cynical comments
about Mina Kim's age and how
"they are trying to keep her off the Olympic
team,"
like the age limit is some sort of conspiracy. And his repeated
houndings about can so-and-so win an Olympic gold or
not was obnoxious
just like him and Maura.
Gymnastics-wise the meet was good and if it can get more press
there might be a future in this meet as a prestigious
one. That would be
fantastic considering the only meet there is in the US is
the ScAm and we
all know
about that. I would be so happy if
there was a big meet here on
the scale of the Chunichi that attracted the top gymnasts from around
the
world and didn't screw them when they showed
up. Of course we can all
dream. Anyway
Dynamo looked very relaxed though I wonder what is it what
with them if they all sleep with the light on. How real ESPN. Too bad
Mina got hurt I wanted to
see her on beam and floor. I like
Shannon's
new beam and floor routines a lot, I
hope she doesn't keep the floor
until Atlanta
though. Of course there is another,
possibly all-time,
stupid announcer thing, when
Maura said that Mav the choreagrapher
is a
Romanian I nearly wet my pants.
Boy was this coverage bad.
They had the
camera on Meduna
for a good two minutes after her floor routine, not
including
when they slo-moed every pass. Hello it's called editing look
into it.
Kristy Lichey has a huge Latvian layout on beam. Australia's
form
and flexibilty on beam is gorgeous, but boy they
can't vault or
tumble. They are very (eighties) Chinese due to
their Chinese national
coaching staff but you
wouldn't know it if you listened to Maura who is
convinced
the ex-Sovs took over the AIS. Phelps' combo on beam of front
to immediate (well just about) ff
layout was too cool and her tumbling on
floor is
impressive. The double twisting
front is a cool move but it
will soon have Rulfova status-- ie a cool move
but everyone and their
coach does it so it's no
longer spec. Let's see what else
stood out,
Dynamo looked good and Nunno and Peggy
looked WAY relaxed, like they were
pre-Shannon
fame, huge improvement. The profile
was nice save the
aforementioned wake-up thing and
it made me want to go to the mall real bad.
Maura and John killed the meet though. I wish I could record
without sound. I
tried it! It doesn't work. Maura is so lame, she made
a big deal about "team effort" when she
interviewed Shannon but how
thoughtful of her to
ignore the rest of the team. It's
amazing how good
Marianna Webster looks. After all, it's been 11 years since she
won the
beam bronze at the Goodwill Games in late
1984!! I think gym fans should
be allowed to attack bad announcers with Nerf bats.
amanda
PS whoever threw
gum in Becky Dixon's hair is a hooligan
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 08:37:06
-0400
From: ***@SIDWELL.EDU
Subject:
Re: Stupid Announcer Tricks
On Mon, 3 Apr 1995, Brett wrote:
>
The stupidest thing I have heard an announcer say is
>
> "Gouda is pronounced Howda" -
Becky Dixon
>
Rotterdam Event Finals coverage
>
> No its ok, I didnt
want to see routines, I wanted to learn
> about
cheese.
Stupid things I've heard announcers say (besides the stuff in
the meet
yesterday, which will come in a following
post):
"Whoa...and she is off the beam!" (John Tesh on Kim Zmeskal's
compulsory beam routine in the '92 Olympics)
"Gotta catch the bar!" (Tim Daggett during someone's
release move in
the '92
Olympics)
"When your feet hit the floor, don't move!" (Tim
Daggett on the lesson
every gymnast must
learn)
"...and she even left the
floor!" (Steve Buckhantz, a
local sports
commentator, on Dominique
Dawes. This was when his radio
station was
doing a little thing on Dom.,
acknowledging her Nationals win.)
"Was this your best meet
ever?" (An interviewer asking Dominique Dawes
about
'94 Nationals, where she won gold in every event)
And the line John Tesh had during the '92 Olympics when he said that
Lavinia Milosovici watched Nadia
get 7 perfect scores in Montreal or
something
along those lines (Milo was -1 years old at the time) was a
pretty good one also.
Lisa
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 09:29:27
-0400
From: ***@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU
Subject:
Re: Mtn Pacific stuff
On Mon, 3 Apr 1995, Texx wrote:
> Mens gymn, Mtn Pacific
>
>
Heard this morning that Stanford won,
> second
was New Mexico,
> third Nebraska
> fourth Berkeley
> fifth
Oklahoma.
What meet is this?
:)
Adriana
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 09:16:41
+1000
From: ***@PHARM.MED.UPENN.EDU
Subject:
Re: Mtn Pacific stuff
It is the
west/central's equivalent to the Big Tens in the east -- I
believe 11 teams competed in the meet and most of the teams
changed their
line-ups to reflect the 9 man rule
for the NCAA regionals and
championships. Basically, what Stanford does (this is
only from distant
observations and hearsay) is for
most of the season they use more than 9
men, try
to save their best for the last 3 big meets and then they come out
on top. During
the regular season the men's teams may use as many men in
the line-up as they wish, but when they compete at regionals
and nationals
they may only use 9 men -- often
makes a big a difference in the teams
ability to
score.
For those of you in the midwest
area western regionals will be held at
Oklahoma this saturday at 7 pm and eastern regionals will be at
Penn State
at 7pm. I am hoping to have the scores from the east
out there as soon as
possible.
Mayland
>
>>On Mon, 3 Apr 1995, Texx wrote:
>>
>>> Mens gymn, Mtn
Pacific
>>>
>>> Heard this morning that Stanford
won,
>>> second was New Mexico,
>>>
third Nebraska
>>> fourth
Berkeley
>>> fifth Oklahoma.
>>
>>What
meet is this?
>>
>>:)
>>Adriana
>
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 10:28:58
-0400
From: ***@SIDWELL.EDU
Subject:
Peachtree Invitational (or was it Kodak?)
Well, I was one of about...5
people watching the Peachtree Invitational
last
night instead of the NCAA championship game :). I agree with
everyone
else who has posted that it was an announcing disaster. My
favorite
was the changing age of Marianna Webster.
First she was a
15-year-old high school freshman, then a 16-year-old
high school sophmore
(in
a graphic on screen), then a 15-year-old high school freshman again!
Missed
the 1984 slip, however. Also, they
were missing really obvious
errors, like errors
that even I can see easily. Like
they were wondering
why Mina Kim was so close to
the vault on her first hand-front.
Well,
that's what happens when your hands
barely touch the top of the vault!
It
was really obvious on the overhead and
they didn't say a thing. At
least
they caught the hand slip on the second
vault. Another great question
was John Nabor (?) asking Maura
whoever when one Australian girl
dismounted with a
double full that was off-center "Now, did she mean to
land off to the side?"
Comments on the
competition...
1. Was Jennie Thompson taking a break from competition? I saw her a
couple
of times sitting with the Dynamo team, in Dynamo team warmups,
but
I never saw her compete and the way they were slobbering over
Marianna
Webster's 10th AA at Nationals, I'm sure they would have shown her
if she
had competed.
2. No Hristakieva's (sp) today! Hooray for the new code!
3. I
really liked Amanda Borden's exhibition floor routine, especially
given that it's not the kind of routine she normally does
(unless you
would call her optional routine classical
:)
4. I was also really sorry to see Jaycie
Phelps have so much trouble.
That double front on floor was way cool. I knew she was going to be good
when I saw her at Woodward last year. Her compulsory bars rocks.
5. I was impressed by Mina Kim. I remembered her from Nationals
last
year, but I didn't remember much about
her. Her double layout off
bars
was *nice*, almost flaired! Of course, that's what you can do when
you
don't have to bend your body on your
giants. How tall is she,
anyways?
Is she shorter than Jennie Thompson?
6. Shannon was,
well, *Shannon*. I'm kind of sorry
that she didn't do
the Yurchenko-1.5--wonder how
that's coming along. Bars--I guess
she
finally gave up on the double layout dismount,
or was she watering down
her routines? (she also left out the Miller--the Healy twirl to
straddle
back handstand) That hop full-Gienger
looks so good. I know she's
been
doing it since 1992, but now it's like
perfect (in the beginning, she
always caught the Gienger kind of close). Beam--I was kind of surprised
to see some kind of cutsy
choreography. I liked her 1992 beam
routine
the best; it's gone kind of downhill in
terms of choreography (*not*
tricks) since
then. Floor--thank God she got a
new routine. Looks
pretty nice, and 4 tumbling passes is cool. And a *smile*! That was
something
new :). But I thought it was
choreographed by Geza Poszar
(sp)?!
7. Marianna
Webster's bars were really nice.
8. Glad to see Karin Lichey doing so well.
Second all around to Shannon
Miller is no small feat!
10.
That side planche to (1 millisecond) one armed
handstand that the
Australian (Zeena?) did was
really cool. But overall, I wasn't
terribly
impressed with the Australians, except
for Rebecca Slobig.
Well, that's about all
for now. Sorry to run on so
long.
Lisa
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 09:08:59
CDT
From: ***@ADMIN.STEDWARDS.EDU
Subject:
commentating (fwd)
> I can't decide
what I think about Shannon's new floor. I enjoyed it while
> I was
watching it, but now I can barely remember it! I guess there wasn't
> really anything that stood out. But I'm glad she finally has
a new routine!
> What did others
think?
>
> Beth
>
Ditto, here! I really think it's quite an
improvement, but then again I got
REALLY sick of her last floor routine
which she's been using for what seems
like the
past 12 years! :-)
I agree
with Patrick, though. If she hits
in Atlanta this routine could bring
the house
down.
Cole
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 12:16:26
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Olympic Schedule
I thought I might pass this along. A friend of mine found it in a
newspaper.
Sandy
Date
July
Sat. 20th
Men's
Team compulsories
9:15am
$27,$38,$80
Men's Team compulsories 12:30pm
$27,$38,$80
Men's Team compulsories
4:30pm $27,$38,$80
Sun. 21st
Women's team compulsorie
9:30am $27,$38,$80
Women's team compulsories
3:00pm
$27,$38,$80
Mon. 22nd
Men's team optionals
9:15am $27,$38,$80
Men's team optionals
12:30pm $27,$38,$80
Men's team optionals
finals
4:30pm $80,$106,$212
Tue.
23rd
Women's team optionals
9:30am $27,$38,$80
Women's team optionals
& finals
3:00pm
$80,$106,$212
Wed. 24th
Men's
individual all-around final
4:14pm $80,$106,$212
Thru.25th
Women's individual
all-around final
4:15pm $80,$106,$212
Sun. 28th
Men's finals in floor,
pommel, rings
9:30am $80,$106,$212
Women's finals uneven
bars, vault
9:30am $80,$106,$212
Mon. 29th
Men's
finals in vault, parallel,highbar 7:30pm
$80,$106,$212
Women's finals beam, floor
7:30pm
$80,$106,$212
Tue.30th
Gymnastics
exhibition
4:00pm $106,$133,$265
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 08:50:40
PDT
From: ***@MCM.COM
Subject:
Re: Mtn Pacific stuff
One note on this: I believe that during the regular season
there is a
12 man limit in competitions, and then a 9 man limit at
regionals and
NCAAs.
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on top. During
the regular season the men's teams may use as many men
in
the line-up as they wish, but when they compete at regionals
and nationals
they may only use 9 men -- often
makes a big a difference in the teams
ability to
score.
Mayland
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 08:46:23
PDT
From: ***@MCM.COM
Subject:
Re: Mtn Pacific stuff
This meet, the
Mountain Pacific Sports Federation Championships,
is
what the Pac10 championships used to be.
The Pac10 was worth
holding anymore after
Arizona and ASU dropped their programs (and
now
UCLA does not have a team). So they
picked up a couple more
teams, BYU, New Mexico,
Air Force, San Jose, Oklahoma, and maybe
one
more. I believe that Track and
Field also holds a MPSF championship
meet.
Josh
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On Mon, 3 Apr 1995, Texx
wrote:
> Mens gymn,
Mtn Pacific
>
> Heard this morning that
Stanford won,
> second was New Mexico,
>
third Nebraska
> fourth
Berkeley
> fifth Oklahoma.
What meet
is this?
:)
Adriana
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 08:40:36
PDT
From: ***@MCM.COM
Subject:
Re: Question on floor
Carl wrote about bonus on floor. I agree that 1 1/2
punch front is much
easier than a double
layout. But i
don't think three 1/1 layout fronts in a
row is
easy at all. I have seen many
people try and two in a row, and
have rarely seen
it done successfully. One more note
about the 1 1/2
punch front compared to a double
lay: judges will reward the
double
lay and full-in passes much more than the
"cheap" D passes. If all
else is
equal, a tumbler with a double lay will
score higher than the tumbler
with the layout
front full or the 1 1/2 punch front.
Just my observations.
You could also
discuss the v press thrus that people used to get a
"D" in
their floor routines.
Josh
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Question: Why the sudden change to multiple flips
on floor for mens
gymnastics? I realize the code of points
awards it but should it. I
think
it has made floor a boring event to
watch. Is not a double layout or
full-in
not only more impresive
to watch but harder than a back 1 1/2 twist punch
front.
(As a athlete who competited both I thought so.) I also believe one
doesn't have to be a good tumbler to score high. Note: Can you believe 3
boun
ding
front 1/1 in a row is worth 6 bonus points!!!
Peace
:)
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 11:41:49
-0700
From: ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject:
Re: Mtn Pacific stuff
> On Mon, 3 Apr
1995, Texx confused adriana with:
>
> > Mens gymn, Mtn
Pacific
> >
> > Heard this morning that Stanford won,
>
> second was New Mexico,
> > third Nebraska
> > fourth
Berkeley
> > fifth Oklahoma.
Adriana
asked:
> What meet is this?
>
> :)
> Adriana
So
if I rattled her, then I musta rattlesd
the rest of you as well.
My understanding was that the Mountain
Pacific Championships
(That WERE to have been at
Air Force @ Colorado Springs)
which were at New
Mexico this weekend, among other things made Stanford
the
top of both Pac-10 AND Big-8.
Now next comes the NCAA Regionals @
Oklahoma for our local guys and finally
off to
TOSU -The Ohio State University-
(The board of Regents there is quite
strict that the "THE" be part of the name)
Since the
difference between 1st & 4th was a 1.4 point spread, Berkeley
must be hurting right now. Berkeley is getting better and is
FINALLY for
the first time in years really
starting to give Stanford a good run.
This year suddenly San Jose' State
has decided to quit klutzing around
and finally get good.
This year SJSU is all soph except for 1 SR
& 1 JR.
They also had a charasmatic team
captain who may lead them next year
to one of
their most glorious in years. Next
year bay area college mans
gymn
I expect to VERY good.
In my last post did I mention that Stanford
started the Mountain Pacific at 14th
and climbed
to #1 ?
I may be duping part of my last post, sorry if I did...
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-texx
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 12:43:04
-0700
From: ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject:
Re: Mtn Pacific stuff
Mayland
pretty much has it right.
While they use as many as they want over the rest
of the year,
they seldome
use more than 6 guys on each event.
-texx
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:46:31
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: Brandy Johnson
Brandy Johnson is no longer coaching at Brown's
Gymnastics Metro. She is,
however, still training at Broadway Gymnastics. She is looking very good.
The difficulty in her routines is
definitely there. She's aiming for
her
first meet to be in July at the American
Classic in Denver.
Wendy Bruce just recently gave up on her
comeback. No one is quite sure
why.
She was doing great. (double layout on floor, two releases on bars w/ a
double front half out dismount, and a handspring front
layout on vault)
Gymnastically yours,
David
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 12:45:35
-0700
From: ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject:
Keswick status
Friend asked me this morning, whats
up with Scotty Keswick ?
He heard that Scott
broke his back but nothing more than that.
Can anyone fill in details ?
In the meantime silly me, I thought that Scott
was coaching @ UCLA
Would someone put us "In the know" ?
-texx
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 16:33:03
-0400
From: ***@FURMAN.EDU
Subject:
Re: Peachtree Meet
Item Subject: Message text
I just wanted to put
my two cents in about the Peachtree
meet. I agree that the commentary was
awful...I
definitely had to chuckle at times! Does anybody know
where
Maura Driscoll came from? She just
kind of appeared
out of nowhere on the ESPN
telecast of the World Team
Trials earlier this year. During that meet, she mentioned
she had trained with Muriel Grossfield,
but I had never
heard of her. Does anybody else know anything about
her
background? As far as John Naber
goes, in my opinion, he
should just stick with
swimming!!
Personally, I really liked Shannon's new floor ex. It was
nice
to see her smile and play to the crowd!
I was also
impressed with the two whipbacks to the full-in. I know
I've seen others do 2 or 3 whipbacks to a double back or
even
a triple full (Jennie Thompson),
but I think
Shannon's was quite unique. I also really enjoyed
Amanda's wonderful performance of the compulsory floor.
One
more thing...Shannon did a Yurchenko full because
they
said her current vault was being devalued in
June and she
was working on 1 1/2 twisting Yurchenko to replace it. Is
this
true? I know there were alot of complaints about her
former
vault( Yurchenko entry--half turn to a front
layout---my mind is blanking on the correct name!) being
worth a 10.0. Besides the fact that everyone
starting
doing it. But, are they really going to lower
its value
this year?
Thanks for the
info!
Amy
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 16:53:44
-0400
From: ***@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU
Subject:
Re: Mtn Pacific stuff
> This meet, the
Mountain Pacific Sports Federation Championships,
> is
what the Pac10 championships used to be.
The Pac10 was worth
> holding anymore
after Arizona and ASU dropped their programs (and
> now
UCLA does not have a team). So they
picked up a couple more
> teams, BYU, New
Mexico, Air Force, San Jose, Oklahoma, and maybe
> one
more. I believe that Track and
Field also holds a MPSF championship
> meet.
When
did they start this? Last time I
was at Stanford during the season
was '92, and
they were still doing the Pac-10 "Invitational" (as opposed
to Championships b/c of the lack of teams) and I had never
heard of the
MPSF until now.
:)
Adriana
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 17:31:26
-0400
From: ***@PRISM.GATECH.EDU
Subject:
Weird Annoucements/Calls:
I think I sent
this to the wrong address, so if you have read this before,
please don't flame me!
Stupidest Attempt to
Build Tension:
John Tesh: '92 Olympics:
"..Now I don't want to create anymore
tension than
there already is, but they are close,
and those pictures reflect it."
Concerning the relationship between Bogi and Gutsu.
Funniest
Remarks Made By a Commentator:
Elfie Shleigal
(sp?): "like I said, she landed on her face in
the warm-ups."
Describing Bogi's attempt to
stick her vault in the '92 finals.
Runner-up: Tim Dagget
chuckling when John Tesh said that Kim Suk was
17
yrs old.
The
I-have-no-idea-what-I-am-talking-about -award:
The person who
announced this year's PeachTree Classic on ESPN:
.."Shannon is doing her round-off layout full vault,
one that was
popularized by the '92 games."
Anyone heard of Shushunova?
Runner-up:
John Tesh. He realy has no
clue.
Usless-waste-of-television-coverage-of-gymnastics:
In
1987 at Rotterdam, ABC REPEATEDLY showed Ana Manso (I
think) crashing a
Yurchenko to her back, and Iveta Polokova missing her grip
on her Tkatchev,
hitting
the low bar, and sailing forward about 10 feet. Talk about
bad publicity and overkill.
Runner-up: Any repeats
of the perfect 10 Mary Lou got (and with
a slight
foot shuffle!) in 1984.
Most
Critical, and hence more REAL, Announcer:
E. Shliegal
(sp, again!): I like her the best, since she calls it
like it
is. She was really good in Barcelona when
she said "Her dance is a 10, but
in this day
and age the tumbling is just not enough" (About Bogi's
floor,
which recieved an
inflated 9.912), on Vault with Gutsu "I
wouldn't
give it to her (the 9.95)", and on
Beam with Bogi she said "9.987 is
areally high score and I mean the
move she wobbled on wasn't even a tough move!
She's good, and I like
when she commentates.
Just my views.....Jeff
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 18:41:56
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
PEACHTREE
For any one who missed the Peachtree competition (including
me--I slept right
through it!), ESPN will re-air
it this Saturday at 4 am (yes, AM!) central
time.
As
for the commentating, I'm not surprised by the complaints. I've
personally
never liked ESPN's coverage, especially that Maura
what's-her-name. It's similar in style to ABC's
coverage. However, that's
just me. I
personally LOVE it when NBC covers gymnastics. As for having
non-gymnasts
like John Tesh and Dan Hicks (am I the only person
who thinks
they both do a great job?) leading the coverage, it is necessary to have
non-gymnasts there to balance the coverage. True journalism is supposed to
be objective--it's not the job of the commentators to
promote any sport.
Besides, no
matter what the networks do, someone somewhere is going to
complain. That's
life!
Ann Marie
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 20:51:01
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: Stupid Announcer Tricks
>Stupid things I've heard announcers
say (besides the stuff in the meet
yesterday,
which will come in a following post):
I have to credit Jack Whittaker
in the Los Angeles Olympics as the worst of
all. Among his famous wisdom:
-called the beam the "unbalanced bar"
-Vehemently
objected to Retton's 9.75 [extremely generous] on
team optional
beam, as well as her not receiving a
10 on compo floor.
-said how the team
competition would turn out to be a duel..."Szabo
and
Agache vs. Retton
and McNamara." I'm not
sure he'd ever heard of the
concept of 6
performers with one score dropped...maybe he thought it was a
basketball game...
-Snickered when Szabo missed team optional bars, then talked about how
her
mistake would help "us." He then didn't quite understand how 4 US
falls on
beam would cost more points than 2 Romanian errors on bars.
One
final thought...I'm watching the Peachtree meet on tape as I type this,
and just thought I heard Maura Driscoll say that the Y-full
was 'popularized
by Shannon at the 1992
Olympics.' Okie-dokie.
Mara
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 20:51:21
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: Stupid Announcer Tricks
>
"Gouda is pronounced Howda" - Becky Dixon
Rotterdam Event Finals coverage
> No its ok, I didnt
want to see routines, I wanted to learn
about
cheese.
Actually, I thought the highlight of that broadcast was
learning all about
the town of Delft. Oh, and the break to see football
players wives cook.
Mara
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 20:52:05
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: Floor mats
>Well, in my high school, the floor ex mat was
sloped severely, so
we had to tumble uphill. Both ways!! :)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. . . was this after you walked 50 miles to gym in
the
snow... ;-)
Mara
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Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 21:23:29
EDT
From: ***@LEO.VSLA.EDU
Subject:
New (Anti-)Gymnastics Book
Since I work in
Collection Development in a public library
I frequently receive advance
information on upcoming publishers'
releases. According to a Doubleday catalog I
received today that
lists titles due out in a few
months, the following book will be appearing
soon,
along with attendant publicity, it sounds like. It does
NOT bode well for our
favorite sport. I'll quote the
entire
blurb:
Title: _Little Girls in Pretty Boxes: The Making and Breaking
of Elite Gymnasts and Figure Skaters_
Author: Joan Ryan
Publisher: Doubleday HC, 1995
Suggested
Retail: $22.95
"Americans
are glued to their TV sets as the pixies of
gymnastics
captivate us with their agility and remarkable
athletic
feats. And the ice skating
princesses similarly
transfix us with their beauty
and grace. But the truth
behind
the making of elite women athletes reveals
a grim national
trend far less magical than these
images project. The
intensive pressure often results in both psychological
and
medical disorders, and these young women
athletes are sometimes
driven beyond the breaking
point. This is a
groundbreaking
report on the rampant abuses behind
the scenes of this intense
subculture. Author tour. Appearance on the Today Show."
"Subculture"? Give me a break!
Now, first of
all, as soon as I read or hear the words,
"pixies"
or "princesses," in any media discussion of gymnastics
(or ice skating) I know what kind of bias I'm going to run
into.
(Along the lines of "Gee, they sure are cute but isn't it
terrible how we're depriving them of their childhoods, when
they
could be at the mall shopping till they
drop?") What really
angers me though is the unconscious attitude underneath
all
this highly publicized concern, that somehow
girls are too
delicate and should not be
encouraged at such a "tender" age to
achieve
greatness through a hard and demanding sport.
Sure, there's *some*
fire to where there's all this smoke.
There are some abusive coaches out
there, even some famous ones,
and some female
athletes have been pressured too much,
especially
concerning their weight, to have caused tragic
cases
like Christy Henrich's. There are
overly-critical gym (or
rink) parents and
insecure athletes too young in many cases to
handle
that criticism. I'd like nothing
better than to see an
end to all of the
above. BUT these problems can
exist in
ANY sport, or, for that matter, in any artistic field, or
area
of academic competition--in short, wherever
success is measured
by not only the hard work,
long hours and personal sacrifice of the
given
individual, but also by the emotional, financial, and
reputational
commitment of that individual's coaches, teachers,
and
parents. We don't like to see the
problems arise, but they
do, unfortunately. However, they also pop up just in
living
through your average work or school
day! Life is hard enough
for *most* of us to get through with our self-worth
intact.
Should the road to achievement, though, whether in sports or
anything else,
be blocked off for some because of
age or gender? This is my
problem with the media's focus on this (and I admit, not having
seen nor read the book yet, I may be prejudging it too
harshly). The
author may be well meaning, but the resultant publicity will
be
so skewered and give such a false picture of
gymnastics (already
not well understood by the
public at large) that the overall
effect will be
more sensationalism, the stock in trade of
today's
news coverage, and more harm than good.
OK, I'm stepping off the
soapbox now. Just wanted to warn
all
of you and give my .02 cents worth before
stepping back into
lurker mode.
--
Patrick
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