GYMN-L Digest - 2 May 1995 to 3 May 1995
There
are 14 messages totalling 350 lines in this
issue.
Topics of the day:
1. addresses
2. pre olympics, JO rhythmic
3. May Calendar
4. Sites for next year's NCAA
Champs
5. Pitt drops men's
gymnastics
6. Bill Meade
hospitalized
7. RUS and RSG
News
8. Chinese Gymnast at
Visa Cup: A Discussion. (2)
9.
Zhang Wenning
10. One arm
giants on unevens.
11. NCAA-Finals?-Canadians
12. stanford
girls coach fired
13. NCAAs on
TV
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Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 14:23:39
+1000
From: ***@STUDENT.GU.EDU.AU
Subject:
Re: addresses
Hi Gang
I can't remember who asked about the
FIG videos, but I don't remember
anyone answering
so I thought I would, as I have their 88 Olympics and
89,
91 & 92 Worlds tapes.
88 Olympics has French commentary,
and it seems to me is simply taken off
TV, it has AA & EF for Womens, Mens & RSG (3 hours
each).
89 Worlds is a professional home video, which shows EVERY event
of every
gymnast in the AA & EF of both mens and womens (again 3 hours
each),
there is no commentary and music is played
over all events except womens FX.
91 Worlds,
is just a quick highlights tape, with no commentary, which is
the same as TV footage.
They show one event each of the top 5 AA and the
top
3 routines in event finals.
92 Worlds, isn't much different to 91, no
commentary and same as TV
footage. They show the top 4 or 5 on each event
in Finals.
For the USA & Japan you get the NTSC format. For Europe and Australia
you get PAL.
Hope this helps whoever asked
Michelle
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Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 00:45:18
-0400
From: ***@PRISM.GATECH.EDU
Subject:
pre olympics, JO
rhythmic
does anyone know where one can get
pre-olympic tickets???
also,
does anyone know where the JO rhythmic nationals are taking place in
atlanta this weekend??
please help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
adrienne
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Date:
Wed, 3 May 1995
01:09:34 -0400
From:
***@DELPHI.COM
Subject: Re: May Calendar
Here's a
late-breaking item:
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Subj: RE: May Calendar
You
might ck on the exact dates, but the Rhythmic
Classics, named Lone Star
Classics are sked for
Houston May 26 - 28. The region containing Houston
probabaly has a "bumper crop" of good girls
this year, so it might be a great
place for GYMN fans
to see local kids do well. This is nationals for level
six, and
what amounts to a National invitational tourney for sevens and
eights with national qualifying scores in their level that
didn't make JO's
at their regionals.//DS
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Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 01:21:19
-0400
From: ***@DELPHI.COM
Subject:
Sites for next year's NCAA Champs
> Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 17:02:36
-0700
> Subject: Sites for next year's NCAA Champs
> Does
anyone know where the NCAA Regionals (all five sites) and the
>
Championships will be held for 1996? I understand that these things have
>
already been figured out.
"five sites" implies the women's championships. They
will be at Alabama
(Tuscaloosa, yes?) in 1996. I
have seen nothing published about the
five
regionals. The pre-nationals Gymnastics Insider newsletter mentioned
that the NCAA coaches were going to vote on reducing the
number of regions
to four. Possibly the season-end
newsletter will say more about it.
--John
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Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 22:13:31
-0600
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject:
Pitt drops men's gymnastics
The AP wire reports that the University of
Pittsburgh announced it
will drop men's tennis and
men's gymnastics and add women's soccer in
1996-1997. The AP says that
"The gymnastics program was hindered by
the
lack of a Big East championship tournament. The tennis team had no
outdoor courts on which to practice. Once the women's soccer
team is
fielded, Pitt will have nine men's and
nine women's teams."
-Rachele
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Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 22:16:16
-0600
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject:
Bill Meade hospitalized
The following appeared today on USAGO!'s forum. I'm
reposting it to
Gymn because I'm sure that many of you know him.
Rachele
MEMO FROM: Steve Whitlock
DATE:
May 2, 1995
RE:
Bill Meade, former head men's coach at
Southern
Illinois University
I received a phone call from Bill's wife, Joan,
today informing me
that Bill has been hospitalized
in intensive care in Carbondale
resulting from
complications of continuing respiratory problems.
I spoke with Joan
again this evening... she said that Bill was
responding
very well to the treatment, but could expect to spend about
five more days in the hospital if he keeps progressing as
expected.
If you would like to send a card, you can send it to the
Meade home
and Joan will hand-deliver it to Bill.
The Meade address is:
Bill and Joan Meade
3-B South Morris Ct.
Carbondale, IL 62901
Please pass this
information along to anyone that would be interested
in
Bill's status.
Thanks,
Steve Whitlock
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Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 10:19:55
-0400
From: ***@PANIX.COM
Subject:
RUS and RSG News
From yesterday's l'Equipe,
3 tiny paragraphs about gymnastics:
1. From May 14 - June 4, gymnasts from the
RUS national team
(Kochetkova,
Khorkina, Fabrichnova, Nemov and Shabaev, among
others)
will take part in a competition in Carcassonne.
They'll remain in FRA for a
training camp from May 21 - June 4.
2. The 21st Corbiel-Essonnes
Tournament [RSG] will be held
from
May 12-14 at the Palace of Sport in Corbiel-Essonnes.
Gymnasts from 44 countries
will compete. The AA will be
held
May 12 and 13, with the finals on the 14th.
3. The BUL rhythmic gymnasts will train in
Saint-Brieuc from
May 5-10 in preparation for
the Corbiel tournament. French
RSG gymnasts Eva Serrano, Amelie
Villeneuve and Carole
Pellegrin will train with the Bulgarians.
Debbie
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Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 12:07:04
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: Chinese Gymnast at Visa Cup: A Discussion.
>Does that mean that
you think there should be no banned moves?
I'm
>thinking specifically of roll-out
tumbling, which is no harder than
>tumbling to
the feet, but is much more dangerous.
Do you really believe
>that the only
motive for changing the code of points to discourage this
>sort of move is the hope that less skilled gymnasts will be
able to keep
>up?
I don't believe any
of that tommyrot. But understand the following:
1. The determination
of whether a move should be banned is made by the
technical
committee of the FIG, not a camorra of judges at the meet where it
is introduced.
2. The determination of what
constitutes an overly dangerous move, and
therefore
subject to a penalty, is ALSO made, conincidentally,
by that
selfsame technical committee.
3.
No determination has been made (except by some of my fellow outspoken
gymners) that one-armed moves on
bars is overly dangerous.
4. Therefore any new move involving
virtuosity, originality, and risk should
be judged
on those criteria ONLY until such time as the FIG technical
committee determines in either regular or extraordinary
session that they are
in fact too dangerous.
5.
We are all aware of the above.
6. None of this changes any of my
previous arguments.
7. QED, Meng and her
fellows got screwed.
8. IMHO, this is because the USAG was running the
meet, and they had no
intention of allowing their
charges to be upstaged on national TV by the
Chinese second string, many of
whom are every bit the equal to America's
finest.
Okay,
kids. I'm finished. Start flaming.
David.
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Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 13:35:00
PDT
From: ***@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
Subject:
Zhang Wenning
Whatever happened to Zhang Wenning? She
was way saz...
Her compulsories in Indy were
really beautiful.
-Brett
p/s Mitova rocks!
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Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 14:28:19
PDT
From: ***@ROYALDIGITAL.COM
Subject:
Re: Chinese Gymnast at Visa Cup: A Discussion.
> Subject: Re: Chinese
Gymnast at Visa Cup: A Discussion.
> I don't believe any of that
tommyrot. But understand the following:
>
> 1. The determination
of whether a move should be banned is made by the
> technical
committee of the FIG, not a camorra of judges at the meet where it
> is introduced.
>
> 2. The determination of
what constitutes an overly dangerous move, and
> therefore
subject to a penalty, is ALSO made, conincidentally,
by that
> selfsame technical committee.
>
>
3. No determination has been made (except by some of my fellow outspoken
>
gymners) that one-armed
moves on bars is overly dangerous.
>
> 4. Therefore any new move
involving virtuosity, originality, and risk should
> be
judged on those criteria ONLY until such time as the FIG technical
> committee determines in either regular or extraordinary
session that they are
> in fact too
dangerous.
>
> 5. We are all aware of the above.
>
>
6. None of this changes any of my previous arguments.
>
> 7. QED,
Meng and her fellows got screwed.
>
>
8. IMHO, this is because the USAG was running the meet, and they had no
>
intention of allowing their charges to be upstaged on
national TV by the
> Chinese second string, many of whom are every bit
the equal to America's
> finest.
I agree
with most of this. However, if the
technical committee has not
yet been asked to
evaluate a new move, it cannot make a determination
of
level of danger or of scoring value.
Your argument would hold if
every new move
were required to be submitted to the technical committee
for
review and subsequently reviewed *before* being used in a meet.
Judges
would the have the scoring values on "approved" moves, and
"unapproved" moves would be banned. Somehow, I don't think this is
what you meant.
Your point number 8 may well be
valid. The Chinese gymnasts at
VISA
were great. And yes, they got ripped. But did they submit these
moves for review?
If not, your #1 and #2 don't fly.
Just MHO.
Diane
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Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 19:24:27
-0400
From: ***@PRISM.GATECH.EDU
Subject:
One arm giants on unevens.
You
know, the FIG could just do what they did with men's vault:
Make no
differences between one arm and two arm skills. That should
discourage the 9 yr olds of the
world from learning 1 arm Tkatchevs to
immediate one arm deltchevs.
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Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 19:40:51
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
NCAA-Finals?-Canadians
Is
CBS broadcasting NCAA women's event finals?
I sure would like
to see how my favourite Canadians did: Stella Umeh
on
floor and Lori Strong on bars. I'm so glad they're still in it and
doing so
well.
The measly one-hour
episode last weekend sucked. CBS is
going downhill. I
guess they made their quota on figure skating. It used to be 3 hours long
back in the eighties.
Ah, the good ol' days.
Oh well, I
shouldn't complain tooo much up here. They don't even broadcast
CIAU's on
public access!
Grace Chiu
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Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 18:00:51
-0700
From: ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject:
stanford girls coach
fired
I dont know if anyone has posted this
yet, but Stanford Univ this week fired
their girls gymn coach, their mens wrestling coach and i forgot
who the 3rd one
was they canned.
-texx
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Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 22:08:09
-0400
From: ***@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU
Subject:
NCAAs on TV
I don't think CBS has broadcast event finals for years. Sometimes
they
might show clips, but I don't remember much
more than that (for AA too!). This
year the
Columbus area didn't get to see the women's championships AT ALL. The
local affiliate preempted it for an hours-long food parade
(whatever that is).
From what I've read on Gymn,
it sounds like I missed some really interesting
routines...
I saw in TV Guide that
men's NCAAs will be televised this Saturday, I
THINK at 2:30 EST. Of course
Columbus wouldn't dare preempt that considering it
was
held here!
Beth
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