gymn
Digest
Mon, 8 Aug 94 Volume 2 :
Issue 163
Today's Topics:
'95 Amer Classic
A Few More Classic Thoughts (2 msgs)
American Classic
August Calendar
Barbie News
Better News on Strug
computer problem
computers are crazy!
GG: M EF (Day 2)
GG:
M EF (Day 2) part ii
GG: Mixed Team
GG: Mixed Team results
Goodwill Medals Break Down (final)
goodwill sportmanship
and unphrey brothers
Gymnastics meets Robotics...
Hello!
Kerri & Classic (was Re: Hello) (2 msgs)
Kochetkova
Lilia P.'s floor music
Mary Lou
Mary
Lou - again
Music Question
On the Up Side
Rudi
Sex Tape Update
soviet gym
Soviet
System
Sports Illustrated (2 msgs)
Strug hospitalized
Strug Update
Texx's Chinese 'Studs'
USA Championships
This is a digest of the gymn@athena.mit.edu
mailing list.
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Date:
Sun, 07 Aug 94 20:31:52 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: '95 Amer Classic
I am a 12 year old level 5 and I was
wondering if any other gymn members
were planning, or could go to the '95 American Classic Feb. 16-18. It
would
be fun to meet a gymner
in person. Also if you ever get a schedule please
e-mail
CTRN@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 07 Aug
94 17:13:42 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: A Few More Classic
Thoughts
A couple more things occured to me
...
Some kid did a piked Jagger the wrong way on the bar in practice ... very
scary to watch. Didn't see if she did it in comp. and sorry but no idea what
club
(Cypress? ... Cinci?)
or who she is.
The coaches seemed to
outnumber the athletes three to one ... the useless
screaming
(credentialed) child volunteers seemed to be twice as thick as the
coaches ... the completely annoying screaming childern in the crowd seemd
to
reproduce and clone themselves as the meet
progressed. Responsible parents
were no where to
be seen.
Susan
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Date:
Sun, 07 Aug 94 22:37:51 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: A Few More
Classic Thoughts
>the useless
screaming (credentialed) child volunteers seemed to be twice
as thick as the
coaches ... the completely
annoying screaming childern in the crowd seemd to
reproduce and clone
themselves as the meet progressed. Responsible parents
>were no where to be seen.
Is this becoming
increasingly common or what? Does
anyone know if this
happens in smaller meets
outside the US?
Mara
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Date:
Sat, 06 Aug 1994 15:46:58 PST
From: ***@electriciti.com (Nancy A.
Raymond)
Subject: American Classic
Hi everyone,
Now I
*know* I didn't beat Susan back from P.S.
;-)
Quick results:
(Scores factored 60% comp./40% opt.)
Juniors:
1. Katie Teft (Great
Lakes)
73.000
2. Theresa Kulikowski (Colorado Aerials) 72.890
3. Mary
Beth Arnold (Flips)
72.480
4. Kristin Maloney (Parkettes)
71.530
5. Andree Pickens
(Cypress)
70.650
6. Tara Tagliarino (American Twisters) 70.260
Seniors:
1.
Amanda Borden (Cincinnati)
75.290
2. Amy Chow
(West Valley)
75.100
3.
Jaycie Phelps
(Cincinnati)
74.250
4. Summer Reid
(Flips)
73.470
5. Kara Fry
(Parkettes)
72.930
6. Samantha Muhleman (Cincinnati)
72.650
This is the first meet Amanda has ever won.
Strug is okay and may get a green light for Nationals, they
announced at
the end of the meet.
Dominique
Dawes and Wendy Bruce (yes) competed compulsories only. Bruce has
been working out for just four months and may or may not
compete nationals
(she has an invite). She's in
fabulous shape. (Dawes 38.50; Bruce 36.00 -
two
falls off beam, ouch)
Tami Taylor of SCATS also took a scary fall off
beam in one-touch. She was
shaken, but walked
away. Mild concussion, according to announcement.
Happily
we didn't see any other injuries beyond a couple of ankles on ice.
Find me
a meet without any of those.
Michelle Campi
says she's doing fine - only wears brace sometimes and works
out a little ("easy stuff").
I'll let
Susan add more, and I'll throw in some bits when I remember. In
keeping with the "re: Rudi" stuff, Deborah Mink of
SCATS went for a front
handspring double-twisting
front punch front, but ended up short on the
punch
front.
Gotta hit
the sack - Triggers don't like the desert winds and I'm wiped.
(Read: drive
something streamlined and bottom-heavy out in them thar
hills
at night.)
Nancy
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Date:
Sun, 7 Aug 1994 22:08:01 -0500
From: ***@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject:
August Calendar
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The
Gymn Calendar
Anyone that has any events to
add to this calendar, please mail them
to me. All events on this calendar are
subject to change.
-- Efton
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August 1994
S M Tu W Th F
S
1 2 3
4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19
20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 29 30 31
4-7
U.S. Classic Nationals (W)/ Palm Springs, CA
12
Gymn's Second Anniversary
18-28
Commonwealth Games/ Victoria, B.C., Canada
19-22 Commonwealth
Games (Artistic Gymnastics)
25-27 Commonwealth
Games (Rhythmic Gymnastics)
20
Hilton Challenge Triangular Meet/ TELEVISED ON ABC
24-27
Coca-Cola USA National Championships/ Nashville, TN
24-27
USA Gymnastics National Congress/ Nashville, TN
27
Coca-Cola USA National Championships/ TELEVISED ON NBC
28
Coca-Cola USA National Championships/ TELEVISED ON NBC
29-9/3
XII Olympic Congress/ Paris, France
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September 1994
S M Tu W Th F
S
1 2 3
4 5 6
7 8 9 10
11 12 13 14 15 16 17
18 19
20 21 22 23 24
25 26 27 28 29 30
10-11
Golden Sands/ Varna, Bulgaria
20-24
Pan Am Gymnastics Cup/ Monterey, MEX
27-10/2
T.O.P. National Testing (W)/ TBA
30
Region V Mini-Congress/ Cincinatti, OH
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October 1994
S M Tu W Th F
S
1
2 3 4
5 6 7
8
9 10 11 12 13 14
15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
30 31
2-16
Asian Games (M/W)/ Hiroshima, Japan
6-9
Rhythmic World Championships/ Paris, France
15-16
World Championship Team Trials/ Richmond, VA
28-30
Gymnaestrada/ Palm Springs, CA
TBA
Rhythmic International Invitation (R)/ TBA
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November 1994
S M Tu W Th F
S
1 2 3
4 5
6 7 8
9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 9
30
9-12
Olympic Congress of the USA/ Nashville, TN
15-20
World Championships (Team)/ Dortmund, Germany
25-27
Swiss Cup/ Zurich, Switzerland
30
Arthur Gander Memorial/ Chiasso,
Switzerland
TBA
Catania (W)/ Catania, Italy
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December 1994
S M Tu W Th F
S
1 2 3
4 5 6
7 8 9 10
11 12 13 14 15 16 17
18 19
20 21 22 23 24
25 26 27 28 29 30 31
2-4
DTB Cup/ Stuttgart, Germany
3
Team World Championships/ TELEVISED ON NBC
10-11
Chunichi Cup/ Nagoya City, Japan
15-21
Pacific Alliance Championships/ Auckland, New Zealand
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February 1995
S M Tu W Th F
S
1 2 3
4
5 6 7
8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16
17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28
16-19
American Classic/ Pan Am Trials (W)/ Oakland, CA
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March 1995
S M Tu W Th F
S
1 2 3
4
5 6 7
8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16
17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30 31
11-26
Pan American Games/ Mar Del Plata & Buenos Aires,
Argentina
25
NCAA Regionals (M)/ TBA
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April 1995
S M Tu W Th F
S
1
2 3 4
5 6 7
8
9 10 11 12 13 14
15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
30
11-15
USAG Collegiate Championships/ Denton, TX
15
USAIGC National Inv. Tournament/ Cape Girardeau, MO
20-22
NCAA National Champs (W)/ Athens, GA
21-22
NCAA National Champs (M)/ TBA
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May 1995
S M Tu W Th F
S
1 2 3
4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19
20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 29 30 31
11-13
Boys' J.O. Nationals/ Oakland, CA
11-14
Junior J.O. Nationals (W)/ West Palm Beach, FL
18-21
Senior J.O. Nationals (W)/ Lincoln, NE
29-7/2
National Gym Fest/ ?
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July 1995
S M Tu W Th F
S
1
2 3 4
5 6 7
8
9 10 11 12 13 14
15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
30 31
1-9
Special Olympics Summer Games/ New Haven, CT
9-15
10th World Gymnaestrada/ Frankfurt,
Germany
21-30
U.S. Olympic Festival (M/W/R)/ Boulder, Colorado Springs,
and Denver, CO
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August 1995
S M Tu W Th F
S
1 2 3
4 5
6 7 8
9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28
29 30 31
10-13?
Coca-Cola National Championships/ TBA (Championships
and Congress might be together in New
Orleans)
12
Gymn's Third Anniversary
17-20
USA Gymnastics National Congress/ New Orleans, LA
24-9/8
World University Games (M/W/R)/ Fukuoka, Japan
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September 1995
S M Tu W Th F
S
1 2
3 4 5
6 7 8
9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28
29 30
19-24
Rhythmic World Championships/ Vienna, Austria
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October 1995
S M Tu W Th F
S
1 2 3
4 5 6
7
8 9 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18
19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30 31
1-10
Artistic World Championships/ Sabae,
Japan
4-7
Olympic Congress of the USA/ Atlanta, GA
4-8
Rhythmic World Champs/ Vienna, Austria
-----
July 1996
19-8/4
Games of the XVIth Olympiad/ Atlanta, GA
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August
1996
12
Gymn's Fourth Anniversary
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Summer
1997
TBD
World University Games, Sicily, ITA
-----
July 1998
25-8/9
Goodwill Games, New York, N.Y.
-----
Summer 1999
TBD World
University Games, Palma de Mallorca, ESP
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September 2000
16-10/1
Games of the XXVIIth Olympiad, Sydney,
AUS
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Date: Sun, 07
Aug 94 17:31:01 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Barbie News
A purely useless
story that turned up and I thought I'd share ... when will
it end?
>From the "San Jose Mercury
News" celebrating Barbie's 35th birthday. Other
bits
dwelled on Ken's inadaquecy to ... ah ... assuage
Barbie's needs so to
speak ... and
oh-what-the-heck it made me laugh.
"We examined the new
Gymnastics Barbie, who can be twisted into positions
that
no real 35-year-old woman would try. We discussed theme Barbies
we'd
like to see, politically correct types that
deal with reality. We want Death
Row Barbie, Menopause Barbie and PMS
Barbie. The latter would come bloated
and weepy.
We're also hoping for In-recovery Barbie, who comes with a 12-step
poster, and Born-again Barbie, who comes with huge hair and
a frown.
Litigious Barbie -- you buy her and she sues you. We want Homeless
Barbie,
who once had a government-subsidized
apartment until she voted for U.S. Sen.
Phil Gramm. Nun Barbie finally
accepted Ken's inadequacy. Gay Barbie comes in
a
little closet where she stays even though she should have no fear. We look
forward to Obese Barbie and Bulimic Barbie. Our personal
favorite is Bobbitt
Barbie; she has Ken's missing appendage!"
Susan
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Date:
Sat, 6 Aug 1994 12:00:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu>
Subject:
Better News on Strug
read
on the USGF BBS that Kerri Strug was kept at the
hospital
overnight for observation, but is due to
be released today (Saturday).
Apparently, she is expected to be OK.
Rachele
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Date:
06 Aug 94 17:19:23 EDT
From: <***@compuserve.com>
Subject:
computer problem
Hi
everyone! My magnus account has gone berserk and will
NOT let me
into my mailbox. So I can't read any of
the messages on gymn [draw a sad
face here]. I might not be able to get this fixed until
after the weekend,
when the computer services
office is open. So if anyone has written me and
I haven't responded, that's
why - I can't get to your letter. One person
had
already asked me to send a tape of the GMA segment on Christy Henrich.
Unfortunately, your address is stuck in my
mailbox and I can't get to it.
So please write me here at CompuServe so I
can get your address again!
If there's been anything especially interesting
on gymn, please send it to
me
here at CompuServe. I hate missing all the comments about Goodwill
Games...
Thanks everyone!
Beth
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Date:
Sat, 6 Aug 94 17:31:11 EDT
From: <***@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject:
computers are crazy!
Well, right after I
sent that message saying magnus wouldn't let me into
my mailbox, I made ONE more attempt (about the
25th!!) and it did. So I have no
idea what is
going on here! Since it seems to be working now, magnus
is where I
prefer to get my mail. So unless it
starts acting up again, disregard what I
said
about writing to CompuServe. Sorry for the trouble!
Beth
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Date:
Fri, 5 Aug 1994 12:05:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu>
Subject:
GG: M EF (Day 2)
Scores from the AP:
Vault--1, Grigori
Misyutin, Ukraine, 9.550 points. 2, Yevgeni
Shabayev, Russia,
9.512. 3, Aleksei Voropayev, Russia, 9.500. 4, Scott
Keswick, Las
Vegas, 9.350. 5, Cristian Leric, Romania, 9.275. 6, Ivan
Pavlovsky, Belarus, 9.225. 7, Robert Taciulet, Romania, 9.150. 8, Wang
Dong, China,
9.100.
Parallel bars--1 (tie), Shabayev and Dun Chjon, China, 9.725. 3,
Aleksei
Nemov, Russia, 9.700. 4 (tie), Aleksandr
Shostak, Belarus;
Leric; and Andrei Kan, Belarus, 9.625. 7, Yuan Chunsin, China, 9.400.
8, Misyutin, 9.000.
Horizontal
bar--1, Voropayev, 9.750. 2, Sandro Nistor, Romania,
9.575. 3, Chjen Lyan,
China, 9.500. 4, Drew Durbin, Columbus, Ohio,
9.475. 5 (tie) Djovanni D'Innochenco, Italy, and
Chainey Umphrey,
Albuquerque,
N.M., 9.450. 7, Dan Burinca,
Romania, 9.100. 8, Nemov,
8.850.
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Date:
Fri, 5 Aug 1994 17:47:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu>
Subject:
GG: M EF (Day 2) part ii
Notes from Reuters...
-Nemov fell off high bar.
-Shabayev
was "the only gymnast to try a complicated second vault."
-Leric (ROM) landed "on his head" on his first
vault and Taciulet
(also
ROM) landed so badly that he had to do a backward roll.
Notes from
UPI...
-Misutin won the vault "with a
triple front and a front twisting
somersault that
earned an average score of 9.550 from the judges."
(hmmm...)
-Shabayev was the only gymnast to throw two 9.8 vaults, but
took steps
on the landings to finish 2nd. He also took a step back on pbars for
his dismount, but
still managed a 9.725 to tie for the gold.
Dun, re his gold on pbars: "This is my first ever medal on this
apparatus. Quite honestly, I had a lot of injuries to my
hands and
feet coming into this competition and I
didn't expect a medal -- I
would have been
delighted just to get a bronze, let alone the gold."
-Voropayev had a 10.0 SV on high bar, no doubt due in part
to this
three release moves.
Voropayev: "This is a big victory for me. I fell twice
earlier in the
competition so I realized I had to
concentrate better."
Saturday begins the mixed team
competition...
Rachele
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Date:
Sun, 7 Aug 1994 11:15:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu>
Subject:
GG: Mixed Team
Final Results, from the AP. Does anyone know how this is
scored??
Mixed Team
Final Standings
1. Belarus-Ukraine (Aleksandr Shostak, Belarus; Grigori Misyutin,
Ukraine;
Yelena Piskun, Belarus; Liliya
Podkopyeva, Ukraine), 96.137
2. Russia-1 (Dmitri Vasilenko, Aleksei Nemov, Oksana Fabrichnova,
Svetlana Khorkina), 95.712.
3. Russia-Uzbekistan (Aleksei Voropayev, Russia; Yevgeni Shabayev,
Russia;
Yelena Grosheva, Russia; Oksana Chusovitina,
Uzbekistan),
95.662.
4. United States-1 (Chainey Umphrey, Albuquerque, N.M.; Scott
Keswick, Las Vegas;
Jennie Thompson, Wichita Falls, Texas; Shannon
Miller,
Edmond, Okla.), 94.012.
5. Ukraine-Belarus (Andrei Kan, Belarus; Vitali Rudnitsky, Belarus;
Irina Bulakhova, Ukraine; Oksana Knizhnik, Ukraine), 93.987.
6. Romania (Sandro
Nistor, Cristian Leric, Ionela Loaies,
Ana
Mariya Bikan), 92.250.
7. China (Van Dun, Chjen Lyan, Chjan
Li, Din Yui), 92.100.
8. Japan-Kazakhstan-Belgium
(Akihiro Hiramatsu, Japan; Takashi
Chinen, Japan; Vanessa van de Plas,
Belgium; Irina Evdokimova,
Kazakhstan),
89.975.
9. United
States-2 (Drew Durbin, Columbus, Ohio; Blaine Wilson, Columbus,
Ohio; Marianna Webster, Joplin, Mo.; Soni
Meduna, Colon, Mo.), 88.562.
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Date:
Sat, 6 Aug 1994 15:21:56 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu>
Subject:
GG: Mixed Team results
Fairly interesting that the US's B team beat
the A team...
>From the AP wire...
1. Belarus-Ukraine (Grigori Misyutin, Ukraine; Aleksandr Shostak, Belarus;
Yelena Piskun, Belarus), 48.737.
2. Russia-1 (Dmitri Vasilenko, Aleksei Nemov, Svetlana Khorkina),
48.537.
3.
Ukraine-Belarus (Vitali Rudnitsky,
Belarus; Andrei Kan, Belarus; Oksana
Knizhnik,
Ukraine; Irina Bulakhova, Ukraine), 47.637.
4. United States-2 (Blaine Wilson,
Columbus, Ohio; Drew Durbin, Columbus,
Ohio; Soni Meduna, Colon, Mo.; Marianna
Webster, Joplin, Mo.), 47.312.
5. United States-1 (Chainey Umphrey, Albuquerque,
N.M.; Scott Keswick, Las
Vegas; Shannon Miller, Edmond, Okla.; Jennie
Thompson, Wichita Falls, Texas),
47.087.
6. Russia-2 (Yevgeni
Shabayev; Aleksei Voropayev; Oksana Chusovitina,
Uzbekistan; Yelena Grosheva), 47.037.
7. Romania (Sandro
Nistor, Cristian Leric, Romania, Ana Mariya Bikan, Ionela
Loaies), 46.100.
8. Japan-Kazakhstan (Takashi Chinen, Japan; Akihiro Hiramatsu,
Japan; Irina
Evdokimova, Kazakhstan), 45.800.
9. China (Van Dun, Chjan Li), 45.350.
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Date:
Sun, 07 Aug 94 17:26:44 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Goodwill Medals
Break Down (final)
>From the PR Newswire (CNN) ...
RUSSIA
68
50
53
171
UNITED STATES 37 39 43 119
CHINA
12
9
6 27
SOUTH KOREA
10 5 1 16
CUBA
9
10
5 24
UKRAINE 8 4 13 25
NORWAY
4
0
0 4
BELARUS
3
6 14 23
BRITAIN
3
5 3 11
CANADA
3 4 5 12
FRANCE
3 3 6 12
GERMANY
2
7 12 21
ITALY 2 1 4 7
SPAIN
2
1
4 7
KENYA
2
1
3
6
POLAND
1
3 2 6
ROMANIA
1
3
0
4
JAPAN
1 2 4 7
TURKEY
1
2
3
6
SWEDEN
1 2
2 5
DENMARK
1
1 1 3
COSTA
RICA 1 1 0 2
IRELAND
1 1 0 2
BELGIUM
1
0
4
5
SLOVAKIA 1 0 2 3
PUERTO
RICO 1 0 1 2
MOROCCO
1
0
0 1
ALGERIA
1
0 0 1
MOZAMBIQUE 1 0 0 1
MEXICO
1 0
0 1
GEORGIA
1
0
0 1
NEW
ZEALAND 1
0
0 1
VIRGIN
ISLANDS 1 0 0 1
ARMENIA
0
3
0
3
NIGERIA
0
2 0 2
LATVIA
0
2
0
2
AUSTRALIA
0
1
3
4
FINLAND
0
1
2
3
AUSTRIA 0 1 0 1
PORTUGAL
0
1 0 1
ZAMBIA
0
1
0
1
BRAZIL
0 1 0 1
ESTONIA
0
1
0
1
SOMALIA
0 1 0 1
NAMBIA
0
1
0
1
IRAN
0
1
0
1
UZBEKISTAN 0 0
4
4
HUNGARY 0 0 2 2
NETHERLANDS 0 0 2 2
JAMAICA
0
0 2 2
BULGARIA 0 0 2 2
MOLDOVA
0
0 2 2
SYRIA
0
0 1 1
EYGPT
0 0 1 1
KAZAKHSTAN 0 0 1 1
Shared medals ... NINE EVENTS IN JUDO, SIX IN TAEKWONDO,
12 IN BOXING, MEN'S
200M BUTTERFLY IN SWIMMING,
RINGS, UNEVEN BARS AND MIXED TEAM IN GYMNASTICS
HAVE TWO THIRD-PLACE
FINISHERS; CLUBS IN RHYTHMIC GYMNASTICS, MEN'S FLOOR
EXERCISE, POMMEL
HORSE, PARALLEL BARS AND MIXED TEAM IN GYMNASTICS HAVE TWO
GOLD MEDAL WINNERS.
posted
by Susan
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Date: Fri, 5 Aug 1994
15:14:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: ***@netcom.com
Subject: goodwill sportmanship and unphrey
brothers
>
> As I referred to briefly in another post, he
was downright rude to the fans in
> Australia, even children. He
absolutely refused to let anyone take his photo
> outside
the arena and would not sign autographs, while his teammates were more
>
than happy to do so. Shabayev
and Voropayev were very gracious and seemed to
>
enjoy posing for photos, especially with the kids on
the IG tour. But Nemov
> just
yelled at everyone. I'd never seen an athlete behave that way before
>
(except Shcherbo when he's
in a bad mood). So he didn't exactly charm me with
> his
personality, though his gymnastics is stunning.
Sounds to me like a
spoilt child. Needs a trip to
Singapore for an attitude
adjustment with a rattan
cane!
> This is mainly
for Susan's amusement, although I'm sure the Russians were
> also amused. You know how the Russian announcer pronounced
"Scott" as "Skote"?
>
Well, the word "skot" (which is pronounced
"skote") means "cattle" or
>
"livestock" in Russian. I bet the Russians
are wondering why anyone would name
> their
son after cows!
I LOVE IT !
I keep
hearing people from europe saying "OH ! You crazy americans !
Well this just goes to prove it. We now know that we've totally gone
over
the edge !
"Cow Keswick" has a
nice ring to it donchathink ?
Mooooo....
> Speaking of
Scott, he seemed to be wearing the shorts Voropayev
was
> supposed to have on, and vice versa (Aleksei's shorts looked a lot like
> Chainey's).
2 thought here... 1st one I dont dare utter in public, its about that shorts
thing and too kinky.
Second, we always talk about Chainey Umphreys. He has a brother and both
were on the UCLA team together. His brother is still there.
His
brother really should get more recognition.
Its
sad. I have to admit that even *I*
cant remember his brother's name.
(Greg ?) but anyway, at
least I know he has a talented brother in gymn
too. Hopefully
the rest of you will think of his brother at the same time you
think of Chainey.
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Date:
Sun, 7 Aug 94 23:09:30 EDT
From: ***@ai.mit.edu
Subject: Gymnastics
meets Robotics...
Hi all,
Received this Thesis Defense
notice, and figured some of you might
be
interested. The thesis will be
published in the form of an AI
tech report in a
few months time -- if anyone is interested I can
get
you the information on how to get a copy.
--Robyn
>
>
>
T H E S I S D E F E N
S E
>
>
>
"Passive Dynamics
>
in the Control of Gymnastic
Maneuvers"
>
>
>
Robert Playter
>
>
>
The Leg Lab, Artificial Intelligence Lab
> &
> The Dept. of Aeronautics and
Astronautics
>
>
>
Date: Wednesday August
10
>
Time: 1:00 - 2:00 pm
>
Place: MIT Bldg. 33-206
>
>
>
Abstract:
>
> The control of aerial gymnastic maneuvers is
challenging
> because these maneuvers
frequently involve complex
> rotational motion
and because the performer has limited
> control
of the maneuver during flight.
While a performer
> can execute a
sequence of limb movements during
> flight to
produce a desired maneuver, the same sequence may
> not
produce reliable performances in the presence of
> off-nominal
conditions. How do people
compensate for
> variations
in performance conditions to reliably produce
> aerial
maneuvers? It is possible that
people sense errors
> in performance and
actively compute appropriate responses
> to
them to produce reliable maneuvers.
However, it is also
> possible that the
maneuver is inherently stable, that
> the body
naturally compensates for variations, and that
> the
athlete does little active computation.
>
> In this presentation I explore the role that passive
dynamic
> stability may play in making the
performance of aerial
> maneuvers simple and
reliable. I consider the control
of
> the tucked somersault, the layout
somersault, and the
> 1 1/2 twisting front somersault. I present a control
> strategy comprised of active and passive components
>
for performing robot front somersaults in the
laboratory.
> I show that passive dynamics can neutrally
stabilize the
> layout somersault which
involves an ``inherently unstable''
> rotation
about the intermediate principal axis.
And
> I show that a strategy that uses open loop joint torques
> plus passive dynamics leads to more reliable
1 1/2 twisting
> front somersaults in simulation
than a strategy that uses
> prescribed limb
motion. Results are presented from
> laboratory experiments on gymnastic robots,
from dynamic
> simulation of humans and
robots, and from linear stability
> analyses
of these systems.
>
>
> Thesis Committee: Marc Raibert
> Andy Von Flotow
> Chris Atkeson
>
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Date:
Fri, 05 Aug 94 22:33:57 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Hello!
>I
realize that Kerri is a valuable member of our National Team, etc. BUT
doesn't this raise some serious questions about affiliation
of the National
staff with a single gymnast
I
think, considering Kerri's health problems, the coaching situation now is
a
good one.
IMHO, Muriel in particular will be able to shield Kerri from less
positive influences.
Susan made a fascinating (and
accurate) comment a while back, saying that
Kerri became a Kim clone at Bela's and a Shannon clone at Dynamo. I, for
one,
am looking forward to seeing the real Kerri step forward.
Mara
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Date:
Sun, 07 Aug 94 03:20:10 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Kerri &
Classic (was Re: Hello)
>I think, considering Kerri's health
problems, the coaching situation now is
a good
one. IMHO, Muriel in particular
will be able to shield Kerri from
less positive
influences.<
Well that was simply a one time deal (Grosfield's coaching Kerri0 anyway so
not to worry .
Well I talked to Geza
and Kerri is fine after her nasty fall off compo bars
at
Classic. It looked far worse then
it was and though the local TV news
(Palm Springs local that is) also
reported it as "serious" it never was from
what
I understand ... they were just
playing it safe. She has nothing wrong
with her
according to Poszar (who's coaching her now). He said
that if she's
ready mentally there's nothing
physically wrong to keep her out of Nationals
if
she wants to go (she could be petioned in). From what I saw she missed
her hand on a half piraquette and
therefore didn't get enough push for the
straddle
over and peeled off between the bars.
I also spoke briefly with
Michelle after the fall and she said that she had
fallen
while working on a back uprise in her optional set
*not* the
compulsory bar slip-grip that we'd heard. She wears a brace occasionaly but
is really in
no pain and is all set to move to Oklahoma and resume mild
training (she's already doing some stuff). Her coach, Rick
Newman, is already
there (at Dynamo that is).
We
had another doozy of a crash today when a Scats Sr. (Taylor?) missed her
foot on beam and landed on her neck. She was unconciousess for a bit (they
later
announced she had a "mild concussion") but seemed to recover. She,
like
Kerri, was taken to the hospital just to be
on the safe side.
Amy Chow, who was last on BB in the final rotation, was delayed
over 15
minutes watching Taylor being carried off
via ambulance but not even a
strecher
could shake her cconfidence and she hit cold scoring
the silver
behind Borden (scores figured 60%
compos and 40% optionals). Amy also had a
clean double double (a la Fabrichnova) off unevens.
Highlights
that I remember ...
Dawes won compos and didn't compete optionals.
Larissa Fontaine was there and
training but didn't compete at all.
Wendy is in great shape (she also
was compos only) and says she will go to
Nationals (she's peitioned in) but isn't sure if she'll compete optionals
there either (she
said she'd probably decide the "day before"). She's only
been back in the gym about 2 1/2 months and says that her optionals "aren't
ready
yet ... the new code is a lot different and I wanted to see what the
girls here were doing ... I'm not the kind of gymnast who
watches it on TV
all the time ... I really didn't
know what was going on"
[About her performance] "I just
started learning compulsories a few weeks ago
... I didn't expect to do
well on beam" (she fell twice). She said she came
back
simply because she "missed the sport" and has no set goals. "I'm
just
working on putting no pressure on myself and
doing what feels right ... after
the Olympics I
wanted to get away from all the training and pressure but
after working for a while [what she termed a "dead end
job"] I'd come and
miss not having something
to worry about." She was also working part-time at
Brown's and said
"it was hard to be in the gym and not want to work out and
compete."
[About getting back in shape]
"I shouldn't say this but it was really easy
for
me ... especially since I haven't been in the gym for 2 years now"
Her
team-mate Jenni Beathard (Brown's) has a killer bars set and won that
event. Cincinati seemed to have
the best group with almost all of them
performing
the double front off bars and Jaycee Phelps taking the bronze AA
behind Borden (9.775 on FX) and Amy Chow.
Summer Reid had
cool beam (she also had great compos from what I saw - only
the 3rd and 4th rotations) mounting layout, immed layout, FF, layout and also
having
a Gainer LO, FF (we're arguing about the second FF but John swears he
saw it), FF, layout series. We also saw a full twisting fish
jump on beam by
Becca' (?) Amelkovich.
The third girl from Dynamo
(not Brink or Martini but her name escapes me ...
Reiland
maybe?) has a *great* handspring front pike. It's
high, clean, and
superbly rotated (so fast it's
almost a blur). Her toes are pointed until she
hits
the mat.
Overall the girls from CATS (Sr. and Jr.s)
had the best choreography and
presence
not to mention great leos (and lots of errors). Samenthea Muhleman
(Cinci) or Rachele Rochelli (Cyprus) would be my picks to watch for in
Nationals ... both decent all arounders.
They finshed 5th and 6th
respectively
after compos (no clue about their final standings).
As for Juniors ... Katie Teft (Great
Lakes Gymnastics) won easily (even with
a fall on
her first pass of tuck full-in on FX) and Tracy Kulikowski
(Colorado
Ariels) was 2nd (nice beam). Tracy was pretty good but Kristen
Maloney
of Parkettes and Kristie Powell of Colorado were my
favorite Jr's.
The Olympus girls (Apgood
and Grahem) were also quite promising as were
all
the girls (Sr. and Jr.) from Capitol (great
hands).
Katie (all the Jr's seemed to be
named Katie so I hope that's right) Dyson
out
of Cyprus was the tinest thing I've ever seen. She made teammate Monica
Flammer
(4'2" tops) look like a giantess. Katie missed her hands on vault
and
took a bad spill. She was allowed to re-do the
vault and executed a harder
vault then before to
raise her average (she fell on the first one and scored
a
6.6 something) ... bonus points for guts on that one.
Onnie (?) Willis out of Puget Sound Gymnastics gets huge
credit for imporving
a
billion percent over the last time I saw her in '93 Jr. Int'l. It took me
hours and a couple hints to even recognize her (she's gotten
a lot taller
too). Form, execution, and overall
stance are light years ahead of where she
was a
year or so ago. Kudos well deserved.
Many of the juniors were doing
the 9.9 rated Yurchenko 1 1/2 tucked to get a
big score.
Video re-hasing
of a routine by the judges when there's a protest takes
forever!
The
meet ended with a moment of silience for Christy Henrich (though they
pronounced
her name incorrectly I think the sentiment was there).
I didn't stick
around to get scores (It would have been at least a half hour
and I had to drive home yet) so if there are errors here
please forgive me. I
also forgot my name sheets
with my notes printed neatly upon them and only
brought
home the list of standing for Sr's after compos ...
my mind has grown
feeble in my old age. Everything is kind of a blur (I was
there for 12 hours
striaght
today and 2 1/2 yesterday) so I except there are some errors
praticularly since most of these
girls I've never seen before this weekend.
Susan
------------------------------
Date:
Sun, 07 Aug 94 22:30:11 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Kerri &
Classic (was Re: Hello)
>Does this mean she won't be at Nationals. Seems
there have been a couple of
conflicting reports
about her accident.<
The only "conflicts" came via dorks who had never seen gym before and said.
"Wow she
fell she must be dead." No-one, probably not even
Kerri, knows if
she will go to Championships and
if she does will she be 100%? What could
have
happened if she hadn't fallen here had a good meet and went into the
Nationals
with some confidence we'll never know.
Susan
------------------------------
Date:
Sun, 7 Aug 94 13:58:23 EDT
From: <***@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject:
Kochetkova
This might be an
unnecessary question, snce I was out last night and
had
to tape TBS's coverage of the mixed team, and
haven't watched it yet. Maybe
there was an
explanation on the show. Anyway - why wasn't Kochetkova
in the
mixed team event? I didn't see her name in
the results posted on gymn.
Beth
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Date:
Sun, 07 Aug 94 23:39:24 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Lilia P.'s floor
music
Does anyone know the name of Lilia's floor music?Thanks!
Melanie
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Date: Fri, 5
Aug 94 22:54:54 18000
From: <***@freenet.scri.fsu.edu>
Subject:
Mary Lou
I just saw Mary Lou hosting some comedy show on A&E.Hope this gets
through
in time.
Billy
--
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Date:
Sun, 7 Aug 1994 20:32:22 -0400
From: ***@cykick.jvnc.net
Subject: Mary
Lou - again
Just back from being away for the weekend - in a hotel
that doesn't get
TBS, so no chance to catch even final
half-hours of the Goodwill Games.
:-( Here's hoping the VCR behaved...
However,
I did get home in time to catch ABC's "World News Sunday."
Tonight's
sports feature, reported by Dick Schaap, was about
Mary Lou
Retton on the 10th anniversary of her AA gold medal winning performance.
The story featured bits from the actual ABC coverage, Bud Greenspan's
"16
Days Of Glory' (in which I think I detected Nunno
next to Bela),
"Baywatch," and Wheaties
commercial. The piece also showed
her in
"current" action - beiong made up for photo or video shoots, giving one
of
her motivational talks.
Funniest part of the interview
(IMHO) was Schaap's first question: "When
was
the last time you frowned?"
Only one or two other questions - this was
not
a long piece. Nevertheless, I found
it interesting that the interview
was conducted in
Ohio - I wonder what the circumstances were; since Schaap
is usually based on New York (though he wasn't doing his
usual report this
weekend) and Mary Lou lives in
Houston (as I recall).
Upon reflection, it appeared that Schaap's main point in doing the piece
was not only to commemorate the anniversary of Retton's feat, but also to
point
out that there are some athletes today still upholding a "role
model"
image in this age where so many seem
to be heading "downhill."
Interesting
piece, though.
Just
thought I'd share...
Helena
------------------------------
Date:
Sun, 7 Aug 1994 01:34:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: <***@husc.harvard.edu>
Subject:
Music Question
Hi everyone!
This is one that's been bugging
me for a long time until I joined this
forum. I
was wondering if anyone could please tell me the artist(s) and
song title of the musical piece Tatiana Gutsu
performed to on her floor
exercise during the '92
Barcelona Olympics. BTW, I love the traffic in
this
forum!
Thanks!
-Alex
------------------------------
Date:
Sun, 7 Aug 1994 22:38:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu>
Subject:
On the Up Side
So, tonight I was watching the local news, sorta tuning out, but then
all of a sudden my attention was caught by "and now,
'On the Up Side'
with Mary Lou Retton."
And
on the screen appears Ms. Retton herself, her hair
all pouffy and
her
straight teeth smile and a pretty smart pantsuit on, walking and
talking toward the camera in front of this modern-ish set backdrop
that
consisted of huge white block letters (same size as MLR) that
said "On the Up Side". She talks about how one should
capitalize on
their strengths instead of trying to
fit the mold. For example, she
says, in her gymnastics career the athletes were expected to
be very
graceful, balletic, etc. "But that's *not* me," she
laughs, with her
straight smile and then talks
about how she built her routines around
her
power. By now she's sitting on a
stool in the middle of the set.
After she finishes her little feel-good
blurb, the lights go out on
her and the "On
the Up Side" blocks are shadowed by a back (side?)
light.
Then
they cut back to the regular sports section. The local guy says,
not missing a beat, "And speaking about capitalizing on
your
strengths... <smooth transition into some
local sports team>."
So anyways, my impression is that MLR has
a weekly spot on the local
news giving
motivational blurbs. I don't really
know, though, as I'm
just now joining the real
world, since I've been sans TV for over a
month.
Rachele
------------------------------
Date:
Fri, 5 Aug 1994 14:41:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: ***@netcom.com
Subject:
Rudi
>
> > >
> > {...}
> > >
I have never heard of a name for a front with four and one half twists.
>
>
> >
> > Its called "WHOA !
AWSOME !"
> >
> I think we
should call it a Rufus.
>
And if you do it fast enough to
make noise as you fly through the air, we can
call
it a "Whistling Rufus" !
Actually I should explain this
bad pun. Whistling Rufus is tha name of a
Famous ragtime tune
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Date:
Sun, 07 Aug 94 06:43:31 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Sex Tape
Update
To All:
Well, there are two updates in the University of Minnesota
gymnastics
coaches' sex tapes.
First of all, the coaches lost
their lawsuit against the university and
remain
fired.
But in a far more
reaching decision, a district court has ruled that the
tapes
are public record and can be viewed. The student newspaper had filed a
lawsuit against the university, asking for a copy of the
tape -- a tape which
could be viewed under the
state's public records law.
But the university illegally said 'no,' saying that it would be
"absurd"
to release the tape. But the
courts scolded the university.
"Newspapers are free to examine the reasons for a government
agency's
actions and criticize the government
agency even though the agency's conduct
is upheld
in the courts," the district court said, according to "The
Pubisher's Auxiliary."
I, for one, am happy with the court's
decision. Yes, there really is no
reason to view
the tapes other than for curiosity. But you really can't allow
a univerisity to start arbitrarily
start deciding what they will and will not
release
regarding an employees' firing.
When that happens, it enables the institution to shroud itself in
secrecy.
It's better to
err on the side of free speech, ensuring that the
institution
operates under the watchful eye of the public.
--- Ronald Dupont, Jr. in Fla.
------------------------------
Date:
Sat, 6 Aug 1994 15:48:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: <***@shell.portal.com>
Subject:
soviet gym
Hi,
I was on the road during the GG, but I did
catch some TBS coverage in my hotel room.
does anyone have any comments on the report on
the soviet system, which they claimed included impregnating girls and
terminating the pregnancies near competition time in order to take advantage of
the body's ability to absorb nutrients during pregnancy? I have a very hard time believing this
story. What about the trauma caused
during pregnancy, the illness in the first trimester? Wouldn't that interfere with training in
ways which would offset the advantages? Is this story legit or is it another
"evil empire" tale? does anyone out there know?
--Abby
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 07
Aug 94 03:20:16 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Soviet System
The
Sovs getting em' preggers then abort thing has been tossed about quite
a
bit and was featured in the BBC series
"More Then a Game" (shown here on A&E)
during
it's women in sports episode. Though that episode talked extensively
about gymnastics this practice was supposed to increase endurace and was put
to use
for such things as distance running, biking, or long distance swimming
(so they said). As for it's veracity
... well I'm sure there's some
truth to
all the horror stories but I
wouldn't swallow everything you
hear (including
from me) whole.
Susan
------------------------------
Date:
Fri, 5 Aug
94 23:07:00 UTC
From: ***@genie.geis.com
Subject: Sports
Illustrated
>(Am I mistaken, or did they totally ignore the
Brisbane Worlds?)
They
ignored Brisbane and Birmingham, as well, I think. Any bets on GG gym
coverage? :)
Debbie
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Date:
Fri, 05 Aug 94 23:50:09 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Sports
Illustrated
>They ignored Brisbane and Birmingham, as well, I
think. Any bets on GG gym
coverage? :)
Sports Illustrated's
coverage of GG will be limited to the pool and ice
difficulties,
I'm sure.
Mara
------------------------------
Date:
Sat, 6 Aug 1994 07:16:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu>
Subject:
Strug hospitalized
The blurb from the AP, in
its entirety:
PALM
SPRINGS, Calif. (AP) -- Kerri Strug, a 1992 Olympic
gymnast,
was hospitalized in serious condition
Friday night after falling off
the parallel bars
during a meet.
Strug, 17, of Tucson, Ariz., was in serious condition at
Desert
Hospital, a hospital spokeswoman said.
Strug
fell off the bars and hit her chest and chin. She lay
motionless
for a few minutes before moving her arms to indicate pain.
Paramedics carried Strug from the Palm Springs Convention Center on
a stretcher wearing a neck brace.
Strug
had completed two of four events in the U.S. Classic
Nationals,
a qualifying meet for the world team trials, and was second
behind Dominique Dawes when she fell.
[end]
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Date:
Sun, 7 Aug 1994 12:54:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu>
Subject:
Strug Update
The AP reports that Kerri was in
fair condition on Saturday night
(still in the
hospital) with a back sprain, and was expected to be
released
on Sunday.
Kathy Kelly, Women's Program Administrator: "The fall
did look bad,
but she's a very strong, very
flexible girl and was able to withstand
that with
minor damage. She was walking around and laughing today
[Saturday]. Her coaches are still optimistic that
this is a minor
injury and that she'll be able to
train at the end of the week."
Rachele
------------------------------
Date:
Fri, 5 Aug 1994 13:53:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: ***@netcom.com
Subject: Texx's Chinese 'Studs'
>
> >Sooner
or later their studs were gonna age out of the sport
leaving them
> with a "greenhorn"
team. It happens and not only in
sports.
>
> >I cant believe the
Russians couldnt see this and breathe a sigh of
relief
> that they will have a year or 2 before
the chinese become a problem forthem
>
again.
>
> I was under the impression
that the Chinese 'studs' were home preparing for
> the
Asian Games...
>
> Mara
Nevertheless, the Russians should
have been grateful for the easy winnings...
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Date:
Sun, 7 Aug 94 23:23:11 18000
From: <***@freenet.scri.fsu.edu>
Subject:
USA Championships
Does anyone have any info(tickets,sessions,where it's held in
Nashville) on USA Champs.I'm thinking about going and any help at all
would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Billy
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