gymn
Digest
Wed, 23 Mar 94 Volume 2 :
Issue 91
Today's
Topics:
Drug Testing (3 msgs)
Gymn is for Gymnastics
Kerri Strug
Kerri Strugg
reinstatement, Harding, and gymnastics (3 msgs)
Who is going to worlds?
Worlds
Worlds Poll (2 msgs)
This
is a digest of the gymn@athena.mit.edu mailing list.
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Date:
Wed, 23 Mar 94 10:17:40 PST
From: ***@eworld.com
Subject: Drug
testing
As a dyed in the wool Libertarian, I am strongly against any
form drug
testing in the workplace. However, in
athletic competition, I make an
exception.
The
nature of competition is to take people of comparable backgrounds and
attributes, give them all as objective a set of standards as
possible, and
see who is better. This is why
gymnastics competition is divided among so
many
levels, between age groups, and between men and women.
The
introduction of performance enhancement chemicals into the system of a
gymnast means that a new factor has been introduced into the
competition that
the rules do not account for,
thereby artificially changing the results.
A more fair solution for
those who object to testing would be to introduce a
open class, where athletes are NOT tested for performance
enhancing drugs,
and they are all free to
steroid-up at will. But lets keep them separate from
those
who choose to develop their skills without the use of such substances.
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Date:
Wed, 23 Mar 94 15:49:33 EST
From: ***@QUCDN.QueensU.CA
Subject: Drug
Testing
Just another note on Drug Testing.
The implications of legalized drug in sport
, not
just gymnastics would be phenomenal. Competitions would be degraded down
to who has the best biochemist/ chemist. Drug testing should
be mandatory. I do
not think that having a competition for drug users only
would be productive. T
his would serve to degrade
the athletes in that competition as second-rate comp
etitors. Besides, the athletes themselves would have
to live with the feeling t
hat their performances
were not their own, but made possible with the aid of so
me
drug. Maybe I'm being naive.
Bryan 8)
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Date:
Wed, 23 Mar 94 16:15:15 EST
From: ***@MIT.EDU
Subject: Drug Testing
Bryan says:
>Just another note on Drug Testing. The
implications of legalized drug in sport
>not
just gymnastics would be phenomenal.
>[......]
Not
to mention the ethics of encouraging dangerous drug use in a sport
where most of the competitors are children!
--Robyn
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Date:
Wed, 23 Mar 1994 00:17:16 -0600 (CST)
From: ***@owlnet.rice.edu
Subject:
Gymn is for Gymnastics
Hey everyone,
Just
a friendly reminder that we are here to talk about gymnastics...
let's not get too excited about Harding or legal
matters. There's a
lot of that talk in rec.skate and rec.sport.olympics, so we don't need
to
duplicate it here on Gymn...
While a lot of
gymnastics fans on Gymn are also skating fans,
it's
also true that a lot of gymnastics fans
*aren't* skating fans, and
since this group is
specifically for gymnastics, we should try to keep
on
the topics of our chosen sport.
Digressing has not really a problem
yet, but I sense a huge Harding
discussion in the
near future, and we really don't need to waste Gymn
msgs on Tonya Harding...
Thanks,
Rachele
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Date:
Wed, 23 Mar 1994 00:11:47 -0600 (CST)
From: ***@owlnet.rice.edu
Subject:
Kerri Strug
Jayeson
Howell:
| I was woundering if anyone out there knows where Kerri Strugg is
| now practing. I
know that she used to be with Dymno, but she left
there
| this summer and I have photos that I told her
I would send her. I know
| everybody at Dymno, as I work for
them, but no one knows where she landed
This info is probably good for
anyone:
If you want to send any mail to any gymnast, you can mail it
to the US
Gymnastics Federation:
USA Gymnastics
Attn:
<insert name>
201 S. Capitol Ave., Suite 300
Indianapolis,
IN 46225
They forward all
mail to the appropriate gymnast very promptly. In
fact,
you can even mail foreign gymnasts at the USGF, as they will in
turn mail the letter to the appropriate foreign federation
who will
then give it to the gymnast.
Rachele
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Date:
Tue, 22 Mar 1994 22:55:09 -0500 (EST)
From: ***@db.erau.edu
Subject:
Kerri Strugg
I was woundering
if anyone out there knows where Kerri Strugg is
now practing. I know that she used to be with Dymno, but she left there
this
summer and I have photos that I told her I would send her. I know
everybody
at Dymno, as I work for them, but no one knows where
she landed
Thanks in advance
Jimmy
no
sig yet. (still
under construction)
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Date: Tue,
22 Mar 1994 23:11:26 -0500 (EST)
From: ***@db.erau.edu
Subject:
reinstatement, Harding, and gymnastics
On Tue, 22 Mar 1994, Chops wrote:
>
We'll probably never know whether Harding is actually guilty of all this.
>
The only way to be certain would be if she admitted being guilty of
> everything.
As a jourlnist, I agreee
with you on the fact that we wil ever know what
she did. I also
think that the media blew the whole out of perspective.
I recived almost 4000 pecies of
e-mail after I defended her right to
compeat
as she had not been found guilty and the USFA had decided to wait
until after the Olympics.
> An athlete ought to
be entitled to be as obnoxious at they want, and even
> break the law (as long as no one gets hurt) as part of their
private life.
> It might make them a jerk, but it shouldn't prevent them
from being an
> athlete.
An athlete is just someone who particaptes in a sport, not a god-like
person who does not have faults. So therefore they should not have to
be
perfect.
Jimmy
no sig yet. (under construction)
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Date:
Wed, 23 Mar 1994 00:39:23 +0800
From: ***@Eng.Sun.COM
Subject:
reinstatement, Harding, and gymnastics
Well, before we get carried
away with this thread, we should remember that
Tonya Harding probably
doesn't have the body type to be a very successful
gymnast
(hint hint ;^).
And, speaking of gymnastics, just
finished up my first season as official
scorer
for Cal's men's and women's teams.
Now before you all get too
excited and
start thinking you know a real Mr. hot shot, let me tell you that
my official duties were typing in the scores from the judges
into the
computer, aka grunt work. A fringe benefit of this was that I got
to see
*very* little of the actual meet!
("George! We need those score
sheets,
man, like quick! Hurry! Hurry!)
But despite all
the rush rush and the fact that I missed quite a bit
of
the routines (and haven't gotten paid), I
thought it was a blast. You
get a very good sense of the *other side* of the sport: The setup, the
coordination
of the meets, the judge conferences, etc.
While trying to
make eye contact with the
runners to bring over the score cards, you
often
catch something interesting going on near the judge's table: The
trying to get the gymnast to salute after a fall, where the
coaches stand
in relation to the judge and the
apparatus, etc. And when anything
goes
wrong, many of the visiting coaches come to
the scorer: "Can we
substitute gymnast x for gymnast y?" "Uh, huh huh,
sure."
At any rate, if any of you get a chance to help out at a
meet, I'd say
jump at the chance! You'll meet a lot of interesting,
knowledgeable
people, maybe even get a chance to
eat pizza with the team after the meet.
And if you're *really* lucky, you
might even get a free T-snirt!
-George
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Date:
Wed, 23 Mar 94 10:57:00 EST
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: reinstatement,
Harding, and gymnastics
>Already athletes put up with drug testing
at a level considered
unconstitutional by the
state of California, and obnoxious by anyone
Drug testing is no
longer considered unconstitutional in CA, as that decision
was reversed recently by the CA Supreme Court.
As
far as otherwise legal drug use which enhances performance, I think an
organization has every right in the world to prohibit it,
although I concede
a problem of enforcement. Maybe a better way can be found.
--
Gimnasta
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Date:
Tue, 22 Mar 1994 23:00:06 -0500 (EST)
From: ***@db.erau.edu
Subject:
Who is going to worlds?
Who is going to worlds? I know that our team hasa
not been determined yet
as that will be done this
weekend in Orlando. I any body knows who will
be representing
the other countries?
Thanks in advance
Jimmy
no sig yet. (under construction)
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Date:
Tue, 22 Mar 1994 22:29:02 -0500 (EST)
From: ***@db.erau.edu
Subject:
Worlds
On Tue, 22 Mar 1994 ***@aol.com wrote:
> With
Worlds coming up in a couple of weeks, a bit of a poll for all gymn
> 1.
Who do YOU WANT to win AA, events, etc. and Why?
I think and hope
Shannon Miller will win the AA.
First, she has
been suffering from a pulled
adomional mussles. This forced her to
withdraw from the Americian Cup in
early March. (if ya'll don't
know the
results, I have all of them) I will find
out more on her recovery this
weekend.
Also we don't
know who all will be representing the U.S. their, as that
will be determined in Orlando this weekend.
The reason is it
will help with some projects that I have been
working
on.
> 2. Who do you
think will outperform expectations? By this I mean anyone -
> not just a medalist - performing better than anyone thought
they could.
I
think that both Elena Piskun (BLR) and Elodie Lussac (FRA) both
have good chances of sneeking in
to the top if some of the top contenders
do not performe well.
> 3. Who do you think will
"underperform" (based on 'general' expectations)?
If Shannon is not
back to health, I think she will disapppoint
many. Also I think that the entire former soviet team will not performe up
to expections.
> 4. Who do you think might introduce a new
move? > Mara
I
have no clue.
Jimmy
no sig
yet. (under
construction)
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Date: Wed, 23
Mar 94 10:57:42 EST
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Worlds Poll
On
the question of who I *want* to win (there's a fine line between
want/should/think will
win): I want to win it
all!!
Ok, seriously (as a favorite professor of mine says, all
opinions subject to
change without notice)
V: Podkopayeva and her monster pike front half, maybe Milosovici
UB: ? Maybe Miller, maybe Chusovitina, maybe a Chinese gymnast. Oh, just
thought
of something: is North Korea going to be there (might Kim GS still be
around)?
BB:
The Chinese who went overtime at Birmingham -- definitely!! or Ludmila
Prince -- what a layout!
FX: Dawes -- that first pass deserves
it.
AA: Miller or Milosovici (if it's true she's
a lot better than last year when
she was so
blah)
FX: Korobchinsky
for getting reamed at Birmingham
PH:
the North Korean guy who's name has escaped me
right at the moment
R: Chechi. No contest. Or maybe Paul O'Neill (wouldn't that be
fun?)
V: Scherbo
if he does his Yurchenko full on-full off or anyone
who does a
double front as beautiful as Misiuitin's (knees together etc)
PB: ?
HB: Sharipov and
his monster Tkatchevs
AA: Chechi.
New
moves: Well, not exactly new, but
the so-called "Miller" isn't in the
Code yet, so I expect it will
be after this meet. There are a
bunch of moves
submitted at Birmingham that didn't
make it into the Code (I don't have the
list with
me or I'd mention a few), so some of those.
: )
Gimnasta
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Date:
Wed, 23 Mar 94 10:08:03 PST
From: ***@eworld.com
Subject: Worlds
Poll
FYI I have it on pretty good authority that the Chinese women
have some
interesting new moves to watch on bars.
No specifics, but one of them
involves a pretty
complicated transfer.
Will pass more on as I hear it.
David
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