gymn Digest Fri, 18 Feb 94 Volume 2 : Issue 77

Today's Topics:
"wuss" Male gymnastics... (3 msgs)
14 YO girls doing planche
Buckeye
Computer hardware/software for email
Dan Jansen/Li Ning (2 msgs)
Dave's shameless comercial
Imagine.....
Olympics (was Dan Jansen/Li Ning)
Saluting (2 msgs)
Temporary ta-ta (2 msgs)
The Evolution of the Buckeye Classic (2 msgs)
Trivia Set #11, answers
Trivia Set #12, topic

This is a digest of the gymn@athena.mit.edu mailing list.

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 17:40:18 PST
From: <***@cisco.com>
Subject: "wuss" Male gymnastics...

Where do you get the idea that men's gymnastics is anything but masculine.

I didn't say I had that idea. I said that men's gymnastics had that
reputation. I got that idea from being a competing gymnast for eight years,
and having to put up with snickers from the audience whenever I did a split,
and similar occurances.

There are so many important basics that American boys simply avoid
that can make their gymnastics respectable in the future. And these
basics go way past cartwheels. For example, put kids in a bucket to
increase their strength and get them excited about reaching a higher
level on an event that may take years to perform well.

Yeah right. But if a boy starts gymnastics at the age of 11, just how
long do you think it will take before he is able to do some "trick"
that is able to impress kids his own age who know nothing of gymnastics?


People who contend that male gymnasts are a bunch of fags ... have no
clue as to what the sport is about. But who cares.

Boys in the age range 11-16 probably care quite a bit.

By the time you get to college, you should be able to have people call
you a fag without it bothering you. But if you don't start gymnastics
till then, then collegiate gymnastics is a dead sport. Me, I had it
easy. People called me a faggot whether I did gymnastics or not
(something to do with being three years too small, being lousy at
traditional sports, and being a nerd.) When I found a sport where I
was better than average, that was all it took...


But if the students can't see far enough into their future to see
that their training is actually leading to something, than they are
pursuing a hobby and not training at a sport.

What's wrong with gymnastics a a hobby? Or should those unlikely to
ever be great at the sport leave as soon as they realize it?

Chops

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 19:05:46 PST
From: "***@us.oracle.com"
Subject: "wuss" Male gymnastics...

>> Where do you get the idea that men's gymnastics is anything but masculine?

>I didn't say I had that idea. I said that men's gymnastics had that
>reputation. I got that idea from being a competing gymnast for eight years,
>and having to put up with snickers from the audience whenever I did a split,
>and similar occurances.

I have made this point before and been told that it never happens.
I have been VINDICATED ! I have coroberation !

We need to make a distinction here. Real gymn folks wont belittle a guy,
but the "mundanes" who pop up in the audience do, and sometimes thay are
boorish enough to continue the teasing outside the gymn and that is where the
damage happens.

>> There are so many important basics that American boys simply avoid that
>> can make their gymnastics respectable in the future. And these basics go
>> way past cartwheels. For example, put kids in a bucket to increase their
>> strength and get them excited about reaching a higher level on an event that
>> may take years to perform well.

>Yeah right. But if a boy starts gymnastics at the age of 11, just how
>long do you think it will take before he is able to do some "trick"
>that is able to impress kids his own age who know nothing of gymnastics?

>> People who contend that male gymnasts are a bunch of fags ... have no
>> clue as to what the sport is about. But who cares.

>Boys in the age range 11-16 probably care quite a bit.

Hoo Boy do they EVER !
Remember this is when they are discovering what it is to be a guy.
They are VERY vulnerable at this point.
Guys egos are real fragile at this point in time.
We are so hung up on "being a man" and then someone attacks that and we fall
apart. Methinks the male ego be far more fragile than most care to admit.

>By the time you get to college, you should be able to have people call
>you a fag without it bothering you. But if you don't start gymnastics
>till then, then collegiate gymnastics is a dead sport. Me, I had it
>easy. People called me a faggot whether I did gymnastics or not
>(something to do with being three years too small, being lousy at
>traditional sports, and being a nerd.) When I found a sport where I
>was better than average, that was all it took...

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt !
I was able to cope, but what the teasing did to some of my teamates was
horrifying. (Remember my prev post about the kid whos girlfriend dumped him)
My biggest regret out of HS was when called "Hey Faggot!" that I never replied
"You called? And thats MR Faggot to you!"

Lest we go too far astray from topic, the point is that kids tease mercilessly,
and guys are more easily hurt than we admit.

>> But if the students can't see far enough into their future to see
>> that their training is actually leading to something, than they are
>> pursuing a hobby and not training at a sport.

>What's wrong with gymnastics a a hobby? Or should those unlikely to
>ever be great at the sport leave as soon as they realize it?

[Texx runs for cover, realizing the potential firefight from THAT line]

Actually, I see an attitude in many sports along that line. I worked a
contract across the street from a gymn for 10 months. I used a gymn
that was an hour away. Why ? Because I was "too old to get good &
therefore too old to bother with" When Im able to workout, I am in one
of 3 adult gymnastics programs in the state that I know of, and Calif
is a BIG state!

Somehow we have this mistaken idea that winning is everything.

I look forward to learning to walk on my hands someday. WHY ? Why NOT
? For the FUN of it! Besides once I learn to walk on them, I intend to
learn to skate on them! (I can hardly wait to see the look of shock on
the face of the floor guard!)

I dont know where she is, but there was a woman a few years back who
STARTED gymn at 57 ! By the time she was 62, she was the terror of the
beam. She would go to the "Rigor Mortiss" meets and people would give
up as soon as they saw her. She was THAT good! And considering that
she started for the heck of it not intending to compete.

Remember kiddies;

When you are over the hill, you pick up speed.


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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 23:14:53 PST
From: <***@cisco.com>
Subject: "wuss" Male gymnastics...

>and having to put up with snickers from the audience whenever I did a
> split, and similar occurances.

I have made this point before and been told that it never happens.
I have been VINDICATED ! I have coroberation !

To be fair, I suppose I should point out that this was about the same time
that Olga Korbut was STARTING to make girls gymnastics a little more
popular. I don't know whether it's better or worse nowdays (for one, "fag"
now has a more clinical definition. For another, well, "Hey Chops - I've
seen 14 year old girls with a better planche than that!!!". Used to be that
at least the guys did much different things than the girls. Not anymore.)

Chops

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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 00:33:26 PST
From: "***@us.oracle.com"
Subject: 14 YO girls doing planche


>To be fair, I suppose I should point out that this was about the same time
>that Olga Korbut was STARTING to make girls gymnastics a little more popular.
>I don't know whether it's better or worse nowdays (for one, "fag" now has a
>more clinical definition. For another, well, "Hey Chops - I've seen 14 year
>old girls with a better planche than that!!!". Used to be that at least the
>guys did much different things than the girls. Not anymore.)


Actually CT yells at us that his 7 year olds can out do us !
(Mwahahahah!)

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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 12:49:42 -0500
From: ***@ecn.purdue.edu
Subject: Buckeye

The Buckeye Classic is held in Columbus, OH at the Ohio State Fairgrounds.
Newark is a suburb of Columbus.

It is an all girls' meet. I can't imagine where they would find room
for a boy's competition.

Lori

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 19:37:44 PST
From: ***@geoworks.com
Subject: Computer hardware/software for email

> Seriously, what kind of dinosaur are you running and how much memory do you
> need? For those of you outside the "Silicon Valley", most areas have auto
> junkyards. Well here we have computer junkyards where you can get parts cheap.
> I may have a few megs of simms laying about that I could part with....

Not to plug my own company too much, but Geoworks Ensemble 1.2 is an
operating system that has been working on what people consider
"relics" for a few years now. There is a version of AOL for Geoworks
1.2, so you can certainly use that for email.

The new release (2.0) will be slow on an XT (hey, you can't add lots
of features without growing a little), but still zoom on a machine
that Windoze crawls on (like a slow 386). So if your machine is really
old and only has 512k or 640k I'd recommend trying Ensemble 1.2 (AOL
also hasn't released a 2.0 version so you'd have to use 1.2 with AOL
anyway).

You may want to check your local software store and see if they have
a copy :)

Dave

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 12:57:27 -0600 (CST)
From: <***@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Dan Jansen/Li Ning

Does Dan Jansen slipping at each olympics remind anyone of Li Ning doing
a stutz at most major world competitions?

David

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 16:00:54 EST
From: <***@BBN.COM>
Subject: Dan Jansen/Li Ning

The Olympics is an amazing thing. Some people are inspired to pull off
the best performance of their lives, surprising everyone including
themselves. Others are somehow daunted by being at THE OLYMPICS and
have a disappointing competition. The current Winter Games are
providing examples of both.

BTW, I've noticed some commentators recently taking pains to refer to
the summer version as *the* Olympics and the winter version as the
Winter Games. Is this a real distinction that we got as a result of
shifting the winter competition to the other set of even years, with
the idea that "real" Olympics can only happen during during the even
years that are those of the summer competition (i.e., trying to
preserve somehow the idea of the 4-year Olypiads from the summer
games)?

>>Kathy

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 23:01:44 PST
From: "***@us.oracle.com"
Subject: Dave's shameless comercial

UGH! I just KNOW it! Im gonna get a nasty note for touching off this
"techie" thread. Since Im gonna get nailed anyway, my point was why
buy terminal software when you can get it for free (legally!) and if
your machine konks out, you CAN access our list with a plain old dumb
terminal.

Now with all that nasty techie stuff said, lets get back to gymnastics
before I have to read my mail with asbestos gloves (again!?!
groan....)

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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 00:24:14 PST
From: "***@us.oracle.com"
Subject: Imagine.....

Some times I get caustic, sarchastic or downright silly. This is not
one of those times. Come with me on an adventure. Im quite serious
here.

We've been venting our frustration with addleheaded sportscasters
lately. Deliverance from this evil is on the way. Be patient, this IS
relevant to gymn.

Many of us have parents who grew up without TV. All they had was
radio. Those of us who grew up with TV, had a hard time relating to
ghow our parents could have done without video to go with their radio
shows.

Now watch the TV news. Your grandkids will have trouble imagining how
you could just sit there and watch the news. Remember this time. Etch
it in your minds. The way we watch news will soon be changing.
Remember my comment the other night about 3000 of us crowding a
theatre and watching Walter Cronkite on TV ? We are not talking about
the future, we are talking about NOW !

NOW I know what that blue & black box called an "N-CUBE" is in the
data centre!

Right now we sit down and watch the news, when it is scheduled to be
on, and if we are late in switching on the set, well thats tough !
Imagine, you come home, click on the set and decide to watch the news.
Instead of watching it only when the station decides to air it and
sitting there watching what they want to air, you instead "click" on
TV News, and then click on the news stories you want to watch. If the
doorbell rings, you can pause the news and it will be waiting for you
when you get back from answering it. Whats really cool is that
although you have paused the news, your next door neighbor is also
watching the news but their newsfeed is not affected by your freezing
the news. Besides news, theres regular TV, movies, sports, home
shopping (this version of home shopping is QUITE different from the
mindless home shopping channel we see right now.

Imagine not 30 channels, not 300, imagine 65568 channels. Farfetched ?
NOPE! To pull this off we dont even need to run fibre optics to
everyones home. We can use plain old telephone wire just like we use
for voice today. The only thing you have to change is the cable box on
top of your TV. You keep the same TV! The N-CUBE is a small massivly
parallel super computer. This thing has thousands of microprocessors
in it. Each N-CUBE can server about 32000 homes. Most of you know
about GIF files. Well this thing has a monsterous library of them in
it. Everyone shares the same library of digitized video frames. About
1 hr of video is fit into 1.5 mb Each frame from the footage of the TV
news is stored as a MPEG file. So you can halt your video like a VCR
put on pause without messing up the other people watching the same
story. Works for movies too!

Now lets tie this to gymnastics.

One of the reasons gymnastics isnt getting enough airtime is that the
media dont believe there are enough of us out there. You select
everything by clicking on the screen icons. When you make a request,
the database system figures out where all the frames of what you want
to watch are and it sends them all to your cable box which puts them
all together and plays the video for you.

Now all these requests coming in should tell the media something about
what the people want to watch, right ?
YOUBETCHA ! With 2 ^15 power channels (65568) there is room for
channels devoted to even the most arcane subjects. YUP ! You guessed
it, theres even room for an all gymnastics channel. With all this
requests data coming in, they have instant "Nielsen Ratings". When
they have some idiot mindlessly yammering on during a gymn meet, you
can even use your TV to send e-mail to the network and tell them why
you just turned off the gymn channel.

Now all this looks like some neat system out of the future, or some
pipe-dream Al Gore dreamt up. No this is reality. By the time I got
back to my office and finished mailing that noth the other night, they
demo system had been broken down and the pieces were shiped to 2
sites. One in France and the other in Alexandria VA. The first version
of the system will be a pay-per-view server, but eventually the rest
of the features (selective sports, selective news, video shopping,
e-mail, video teleconferencing {yeah even video teleconferencing in
your home!} and the ability to design your own pizza and have it
delivered) will be added. (Ask George Atkins about SUN "pizzatool"
sometime !) Both systems will be online in about 2 months. They are
scrambling to drag video cameras through Macy's, Saks 5th Ave, Nieman
Marcus etc (I TOLD you it was a better home shopping system!)

Im getting excited and am pushing the edges of relevance to gymn
here...

The bottom line, is that we will soon have a way to make the media
accountable to us. If they dont give us what we want, we can tell them
so in seconds, and if they blow it, we can do the same. If we manage
this new technology properly, we can use it to reshape the US
Gymnastics program here.

There is a competeing system coming out from Silicon Graphics, that is
similar to the ORACLE/Bell Atlantic Mediaserver, but I dont have
details on it yet.

There you have it. The future is here today. Other questions about
this system would best be taken to private mail.

By the way, I am not involved in marketing this system, my group is
into other products.

My only interest in this system is that it makes the media more
accountable to the viewers, and this can be used to improve gymn
coverage. We will FINALLY have a baseball bat over their heads! (grin)

And an even more frightening thought... Imagine Bela screaming "NO NO
NO!" to gymnasts in 3 different cities at once! (OK Im getting silly
again!)

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 17:28:44 -0500
From: ***@cykick.jvnc.net

Subject: Olympics (was Dan Jansen/Li Ning)

>BTW, I've noticed some commentators recently taking pains
>to refer to the summer version as *the* Olympics and the
>winter version as the Winter Games. Is this a real
>distinction that we got as a result of shifting the
>winter competition to the other set of even years,
>with the idea that "real" Olympics can only happen
>during during the even years that are those of the
>summer competition (i.e., trying to preserve somehow
>the idea of the 4-year Olypiads from the summer games)?

No. I believe it's an IOC distinction that been around for many years.
The "proper" title is The Olympic Games, or Games of the <number) Olympiad
for the event most of us know as the Summer Olympics. The events going on
now are referred to as The (number) Olympic Winter Games.

Helena

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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 15:57:01 -0500 (EST)
From: <***@dorsai.dorsai.org>
Subject: saluting

>
>
> I'd like to add an anecdote to Mikes question about saluting.
> We got this one judge who comes out to the college meets in the bay area,
> who carries a small green flag. Most of the judges tell the gymnast when
> to go ahead. Sometimes there are miscomunications. This judge takes no
> chances. The staff is about a foot long (30.5 cm) and the little green flag
> is triangular and about 4" on a side (10cm). Cute gadget and sure avoids
> foulups. Wish the other judges would adopt the idea.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Green and red flags have been used for years. Now green and red lights are
becoming common at large meets with electronic scoring.

>
>

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 16:29:32 EST
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Saluting

Another try

In women's, the deduction for not saluting is 0.1 each time (so for
one routine can be 0.2 if the gymnast doesn't salute at the start or
finish) (except possibly in lower-level compulsories; at least in PR
the little girls get more deducted in order to make sure they're
taught to do it).

Gimnasta

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 16:29:08 EST
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Temporary ta-ta

Try #2, the first seems to have gotten lost. . .

Hi all!

I may be gone for a while starting Friday, since I write from my
sister's computer and she's moving. I need to get more memory for my
old dinosaur before I can put the AOL software on it. So I'll be back
sometime after this Friday, but I don't know when. Soon, I hope.

But I'll write some tomorrow first, when I'll have time.

: )
Gimnasta

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 18:25:58 PST
From: "***@us.oracle.com"
Subject: Temporary ta-ta

>I may be gone for a while starting Friday, since I write from my sister's
>computer and she's moving. I need to get more memory for my old dinosaur
>before I can put the AOL software on it. So I'll be back sometime after this
>Friday, but I don't know when. Soon, I hope.

Get a NETCOM acct. Then all you need is a terminal, no special
software. Terminals are cheap! I can locate used terminals for list
members for around $30, and old 1200 baud modems for about the same
cost. You can use a plain old "dumb" terminal emulator package (public
domain so its free) if you want to access NETCOM from a PC. Hey even
an old original IBM-5050 (The first PC) with 64k memory running on a
single floppy drive with no hard drive can talk to NETCOM with no
improvements besides a modem and a free emulator package.

The special proprietary software package required for AOL is one of
the reasons I bash AOL. In their defense, mailheaders from there
indicate that they are at least trying to fix their mangled mailer so
I guess AOL SYS ADMIN is finally getting their act together.

[Texx is going to miss gimnista during her absence]

Seriously, what kind of dinosaur are you running and how much memory
do you need? For those of you outside the "Silicon Valley", most areas
have auto junkyards. Well here we have computer junkyards where you
can get parts cheap. I may have a few megs of simms laying about that
I could part with....

What does this have to do with gymnastics ? Giving the members of this
group better access, to gymn of course!

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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 01:33:15 EST
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: The Evolution of the Buckeye Classic

Buckeye Gymnastics was founded in 1983 by David Holcomb and Alan
Ashworth. After one season of competition, it was clear that an
alternative to bake sales, garage sales, and pizza sales had to be
found to raise money for travel expenses. In addition, David and Alan
were adamant that enough money had to be generated to allow all
children to participate in gymnastics regardless of the family's
financial ability to pay for travel and meet fees. The officers of the
Buckeye Boosters were in complete agreement and the idea of a large
gymnastics competition was the result.

Since the Buckeye Gymnastics team program was formed from the remains
of many other team programs, the club had competitors at all levels in
the first year of existence. If this new compeition was to earn the
support of all the Buckeye Gymnastics families it had to include all
competitive levels. The name "Buckeye Classc" seemed fitting although
it would be many years before it truly was a classic event. The Club
had high expectations even then.

The first Classic was held in a private club gym in Newark. Over 200
gymnasts had registered for the event but many were unable to attend
because a terrible blizzard hit Central Ohio that weekend. The Buckeye
Boosters lost their shirts, but everyone who showed up agreed that it
was a great idea to be able to bring all of their gymnasts to the same
competition.

Apparently, others in the gymnastics community agreed and clubs
started hiring buses to haul in every gymnast they had in their
competitive program; 30, 40, ever 50 gymnasts would pile off those
buses. The competition soon attracted over 1,000 competitiors and we
had to set up another gym. Now over 2,000 gymnasts participate and a
third gym is required!

Over the past four or five years the Classic has come to be thought of
as the de facto Club Championships of the USA. In fact, in 1992 the
Buckeye Classic was designated as the official USGF National Club
Championships. This was the first and last official Club Championship
ever conducted by the USGF (now USA Gymnastics). Political battles
within the USGF killed the concept of an official championships, but
as an "unofficial" championship, the meet lives on.

Who has competed in the Buckeye Classic? The list reads like a "who's
who" of USA gymnastics: Tracy Butler, Betty Okino, Wendy Bruce, Sandy
Woolsey, Juliet Bangerter, Liz Crandall, Dominique Dawes, Chelle
Stack, Kim Zmeskal, Kerri Strug, Amanda Borden, Laura Szczepanksi,
Melissa Green, Kellee Davis, Karin Lichey, Jennifer Mercier, Kim
Arnold, Kristen McDermott, Sarah Balard and many others have graced
the Classic as well as the Olympic Games and World Championships with
their fine performances.

It is possible, even likely, that future Olympians will be competing
in the 1994 version of the Buckeye Classic. They may be found in the
Open Competition or they may be found in the Level 4 competition. We
will not know for many years. What we do know is that we are glad that
they are here. We hope that the Classic continues to earn the right to
serve as the bithplace of Olympic dreams and the bragging rights to
proclaim itself as one of the premier gymnastics competitions in the
world.

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Open Teams and Competitors

American Twisters
- Marissa Medal, Susie Kinkaid, Kellee Davis, Susie Krug, Giselle
Boniforti

Armory Gymnastics
- Rachel Moeller

Atlantic Coast
- Keri Monahan, Tracy Kohl, Cortney Borgart, Amber Funk, Tara
Herman

Brown's Gymnastics
- Lanna Apisukh, Jenni Beathard, Mohini Bhardwaj, Kourtney
Gallivan, Melissa Oliver

Buckeye Gymnastics
- Briony Lecky, Anna Gardina, Katie Christensen, Michelle Hess,
Holly Crane

Desert Devils
- Kim Arnold, Amber Erdos, Angie Leonard, Heather Hanson

Docksiders
- Krista Gale, Elize Ray, Amy Langendorg, Gemma Robson, Rebecca
Singleton

Gold Medal Gymnastics
- Kristy Kreinbrink, Arika Bergman, Jenny Sommer, Andrea Ruhe,
Dawn Smith

Gymagic Gymnastics
- Denise Jones, Leah Waaramaki, Andrea Lund, Erin Dacumos, Kiernan
Andrews

Gym-Beez
- Becky Ashton, Kathy Burke, Donna Sickler, Abigail Richie,
Lyndsey Compitello

Gym Kinetics
- Janel Benda, Leah Concannon, Margart Wojciak, Suzanne Racz,
Karyn Kuzmeski

Gym-XL
- Tara LaMorte, Shari Doulman, Jill Fisher, Cari Zawistowski

LaFleur's - Tampa
- Becky Waters, Lisa Companioni, Marcie Sommerville, Sally
Cantrell, Becky Wildgen

Nina's Gym Center
- Lauren Sabatini, Victoria Groccia, Michelle Lopiesti, Kim Yenco,
Betsy Colucci

Northern Illinois Academy of Gymnastics
- Stacy Kocurek, Kristi Donelli, Amy Bohn, Denise Houda, Nicole
Bell

Octaviano's
- Stacey Ann Newman, Kelly Conger, Paige Anderson, Romina Larre,
Kefryn Block

Ontario Gymnastics Federation
- Yvonne Tousek, Stephanie Cappucitti, Dana Ellis, Lori Cellopica,
Emily Scott, Jackie Bender, Rian Holmes, Angela Stiles, Kristy
Wanner, Nicole Myers, Marina Oegteva, Karina Senior

Richmond Olympiad
- Kit Johnson, Mary Nikiforos, Shannon Osborne, Nicki Phillips,
Katie Williams

Salto
- Jennifer Carow, Kristen Stuckey, Amanda Mueller, Tracy Shaw,
Jodi Duelge

Twin City Twisters
- Melissa Berg, Betsy Akinwale, Jessica Swift, Stephanie
Ballantyne, Kari Motz, Pari Olver, Bobbi Jo Saxe, Lisa Barthel,
Laura Blank, Marie Moe

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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 94 22:53:22 PST
From: "***@us.oracle.com"
Subject: The Evolution of the Buckeye Classic

Interesting...
2 questions though.
#1 This is in Newark Ohio ?
#2 This is a girls meet ?
(At least the writing gave me that impression)

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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 02:11:45 EST
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Trivia Set #11, answers

I sent this and the following two days ago but it never came through...
apologies if you receive this twice:


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Trivia Set #11

TOPIC: Smorgasbord

Thanks for Andy for #1, Debbie for #2-5, and Gimnasta for #6-9 (and me for
#10). I had a wealth of good questions submitted this time, and could only
use about half of what Debbie and Gimnasta each submitted. But never fear,
I've hung onto those questions for future trivia sets... =).

--Q1. When did Gymn go on-line?

A. August 12, 1992. Almost exactly one and a half years ago. (Seems so much
longer than that.)

--Q2. Who were the last 4 women's Olympic AA champions and what do they all
have in common?

A. AA champs. were Elena Davydova ('80), Mary Lou Retton ('84), Elena
Shushunova ('88), and Tatiana Gutsu ('92). None of them won gold in the
event finals.

--Q3. How many 10s were awarded during the event finals at the '84 Olympics?

A. 12. Li Ning on FX and PH; Peter Vidmar on PH; Bart Conner and Nobuyuki
Kajitani on PB; Shinji Morisue, Tong Fei, and Koji Gushiken on HB; Julianne
McNamara and Ma Yanhong on UB; and Julianne McNamara and Ecaterina Szabo on
FX.

--Q4. Which gymnasts were members of both the '80 and '84 US Olympic teams?

A. Bart Conner, Jim Hartung, Peter Vidmar, Kathy Johnson, Julianne McNamara
and Tracee Talavera.

--Q5. Which gymnasts competed at both the '80 and '84 Olympics?

A. Joel Suty and Michel Boutard (FRA); Keith Langley (GBR); Cristina Grigoras
(ROM); Irene Martinez (ESP), and Lena Adomat (SWE).

--Q6. Who was the first woman to do a full-twisting double layout, which flip
did she twist in (according to the Code; it looked kind of different to me),
and who was the first to do it with the twist in the other flip?

A. Tatiana Tugikova (URS, Rotterdam '87), twisted in first flip (looked like
a half-in half-out to me --Gimnasta), Oksana Chusovitina (URS/UZB)

--Q7. Who was the first woman to do consecutive releases? Which did she do?

A. Natalia Yurchenko (URS, Budapest '83), Tkatchev-Deltchev

--Q8. Who was the first Latin American to win a World Championship medal?
Which medal and on what event?

A. Victor Colon (PUR, Paris '92), bronze, vault

--Q9. Name 1 of the gymnasts to qualify to three Olympics and never compete
in any.

A. Felix Aguilera (CUB, '84, '88 [boycotts], '92 [$])

--Q10. Aside from following gymnastics, Gymn admin'rs Robyn and Rachele have
another hobby in common. What is it?

A. We both collect postcards. (So if you're traveling to a competition, feel
free to send many souvenir cards our way! grin)

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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 02:12:21 EST
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Trivia Set #12, topic

I am taking suggestions for the topic of Trivia Set #12. Ideas I have right
now:

High-bar and Uneven Bars release moves (how much is this worth, who did this
first, etc)

Same type of thing for Floor ex tumbling, vaulting, etc.

Terminology (a trivia set on various technical terms. Sample question:
"What is it called when a gymnast does two flips and one twist, with the
twist on the first flip?")

Club invitationals (historical perspective, ie how our trivia has been in the
past -- "How did Zmeskal fare in the 1991 Buckeye Classic?")

Judging. (some of our more knowledgeable members could give us sample
sequences and then in the answers explain how that sequence would be scored.)

So, if you care, tell me which of the above sounds cool, and suggest more
ideas too!

Rachele

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