gymn Digest Sun, 17 Apr 94 Volume 2 : Issue 105

Today's Topics:
Beginer
Campi Condition
Did you know?
dislocate (2 msgs)
Gymnastics GIF's (2 msgs)
Gymnastics GIF's & texx's posting delays
Gymnastics Gifs
Kent State (2 msgs)
Kent State et al... (3 msgs)
my illustration attempt
Sara qualifies
Save a program
The Coolest P-bar Trick (2 msgs)
Vertigo
Worlds Poll...

This is a digest of the gymn@athena.mit.edu mailing list.

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Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 16:54:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: <***@panix.com>
Subject: Beginer

I agree with Lisa, But you should make sure your daughter warms up before
doing anything.

One time, when I was 11 I tried to do a front ariel. That was above my
ability, but my coach wanted to see if I could just try it. I almost did
it. But my coach warned me not to try it. Well, when I got home I was so
eager to try it that I didn't warm up, I did a few pretty well. But on
one I had to put my hands down, my body wasn't warmed up and... well, just
don't let that happen to your daughter!

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Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 21:24:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu>
Subject: Campi Condition

Efton said:

| There are about 13Mb of GIFs at f.ms.uky.edu in the
| outgoing/may/gifs directory (gymnastics gifs that is)

Note, AOLers, that AOL doesn't have Internet ftp access yet. However,
you'll be able to get to that site soon, if AOL stays on schedule...

| On another note... Has anyone heard anything new about Campi? Where exactly
| was she injured (in the neck or back?)

She was injured in the back. I tried to find out more info when it
happened, but wasn't particularly successful. USA Gymnastics hasn't
released any information about the accident even happening (probably
because it wasn't during a competition?). I posted on their forum but
no one answered with new information...

Rachele

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Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 10:10:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu>
Subject: Did you know?

Just read a UPI news story on the upcoming worlds. It was pretty
standard stuff, though a couple items were notable:

1. This is the first time the Worlds are being held in the Southern
Hemisphere (Australia).
2. This is the 60th anniversary since the beginning of the women's
competition.

Just thought those tidbits were worthy of sharing...

Rachele

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Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 11:40:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: ***@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu
Subject: dislocate

Yeah, a girl on my class III team could interlock her fingers and
dislocate 360 degrees as well. The shoulder is the only joint in the human body
that can rotate on a full 360 degree axis, just in case anyone was wondering.
The same girl could also do that Dobre move on beam before Dobre did
it, the one where in a support she swung her legs up in a V and then straddled
them to clear her torso (when I have more time tonight perhaps I can send an
ascii illustration....). It was featured in Dobre's full-sized poster in IG
after the '87 Worlds. Except Yvonne pressed up to it, executed a deeper
straddle, and held it there. Yick...
Cara

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Date: Sat, 16 Apr 94 09:15:51 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: dislocate

>The same girl could also do that Dobre move on beam before Dobre did
it, . . . Except Yvonne pressed up to it, executed a deeper
>straddle, and held it there. Yick...

Alena Drevjana (TCH) was doing that years before Dobre, too, and better too.

Speaking of contortionism, and combining it with the rhythmic thread,
rhythmic gymnasts are just mind-blowing that way. Larisa Lukyanenko (BLR) in
particular, of the current gymnasts.

And does anyone remember a picture in _IG_ a couple of years ago of the girl
doing a "reverse planche" (not really a reverse planche, but one Kristie
Phillips-style) in which the back of her knees rested on her shoulders and
her lower legs dangled? Eeeee.

-- Gimnasta

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Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 17:04:05 -0500 (EST)
From: <***@gateway.us.sidwell.edu>
Subject: Gymnastics GIF's
To: Gymn <gymn@MIT.EDU>

For those of you who are on America Online, you have access to gymnastics
GIF's (wow!). If you go to Software Search (keyword software) and select
the "Search over 50,000 Titles" icon, the File Search screen will come up.
In the "Keywords" space (it's at the bottom of the screen), enter
"gymnast." There are GIF's of Nellie Kim and Shannon Miller and two GIF's
of Oksana Omelianchik. Hey, it's a start. Actually, the GIF of Shannon
Miller looks really nice printed out. Note that all the GIF's are in
grayscale, not color.

Anyone know where there are any other gymnastics GIF's?

Lisa

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Date: Sun, 17 Apr 94 18:00:16 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Gymnastics GIF's

Let me just add to Lisa's comments...

The GIF's she mentioned are IBM. For those of you on a MAC (me obviously)
AOL is a bit less generous with only one Kim Zmeskal GIF and the icons used
to symbolize the events at the Soeul Olympics as the only "gymnasticy"
graphics available. The Zmeskal picture (for those of you who are interestd
in that sort of thing) is the "It Hurts" Newsweek cover pic.

Susan

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Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 16:06:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: ***@netcom.com
Subject: Gymnastics GIF's & texx's posting delays

Check the gymn FAQ for the location of other gymn gif sites.
There should not be a difference between MAC and IBM gifs.
GIF is a picture format and should be identical from operating system and
platform regardless. If I am in error, please tell me.

I made it to the last 2 home mens gymn meets at stanford.
I will post on them at a later time.
I am slow on my mail because I have to have someone read it to me.
Then I have to dictate. Real slow process.
For those of you who havent heard, I recently became blind.
We are hoping for reversal but for the time, I am running real slow.

Thanks for the details on the PAC-10. I understand that they are in my mbox
but we havent gotten to reading them.

-texx

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Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 19:00:39 -0500
From: <***@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Gymnastics Gifs

GIF's are exchangable across IBM/MAC lines. GIF stands for Graphic
Interchange Format. (Accent on Interchange)

There are about 13Mb of GIFs at f.ms.uky.edu in the outgoing/may/gifs directory
(gymnastics gifs that is)

Off the top of my head here, there is about 15 of Zmeskal, 10 or so of Miller,
5 or 6 (each) of Gutsu, Boginskaia, Lysenko, Strug and Onodie and some
miscellaneous shots too.

On another note... Has anyone heard anything new about Campi? Where exactly
was she injured (in the neck or back?)

Efton

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Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 09:00:19 +1000
From: <***@pharm.med.upenn.edu>
Subject: Kent State

I just heard that Kent State did not save their Men's program.

As you probably know Michigan was reinstated for one year. It would
probably be very helpful for Michigan if people would send letters of
support that the program needs to be permanently reinstated rather than a
temporary basis. As each of the Men's NCAA teams fall we are losing
valuable International potential. We can't afford to have University
Presidents randomly crossing off programs (any sport), but especially in
men's gymnastics.

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Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 08:41:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Kent State

Is it the University Presidents who are "randomly crossing off" sports
programs? Who are the right people to talk to and "lobby". There must
be a committee or board of each school that convenes to make these choices.
These are
the people who we have to write letters to, and explain that we are a
value to the school. Does anyone have ideas of how to find
out just who
is on the decidig committees/school? I think that gymnastics as well as
every nonrevenue men's sport better be armed and ready to prove their
value...and prove it to the right people, or we will be gone very shortly.
If anyone from Michigan is reading this, please share just what
you did to change the university's mind.

david


On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, Mayland wrote:

> I just heard that Kent State did not save their Men's program.
>
> As you probably know Michigan was reinstated for one year. It would
> probably be very helpful for Michigan if people would send letters of
> support that the program needs to be permanently reinstated rather than a
> temporary basis. As each of the Men's NCAA teams fall we are losing
> valuable International potential. We can't afford to have University
> Presidents randomly crossing off programs (any sport), but especially in
> men's gymnastics.
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 17:37:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: ***@netcom.com
Subject: Kent State et al...

Several months ago, I made comments on saving college programs.

One of my points was that when ever you have a group of people you always
get at least a little politics.

Politics is by definition a dirty business. If you want to survive,
there can be no nice guys and no mercy. Go for the juggular vein
and be deadly.

If you want to save the mens gymn squad, you need to identify the athletic
program that the college board wants to keep and then find a way to
place it at risk.

Armed with a good "battle plan" you go on the attack.
You make it abundantly clear that if they are going to kill your "sacred cows"
then you will destroy their entire herd. (It helps if you can arm yourself
adequately enough for them to believe you can do it !)

Remember this: these yahoos are out to destroy something dear to your heart.
All is fair in war when it comes to affairs of the heart.
Make no mistake, THIS IS WAR !

Lastly dont forget the old motto: "Sockit tothosebozos !"

Good hunting!

-texx

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Date: Fri, 15 Apr 94 18:53:25 PDT
From: ***@eworld.com
Subject: Kent State et al...

If you want to save a collegiate gym program, get out and FIND SPONSORS who
will at least offset the COSTS of running the program.

Then follow texx's advice and make some other program the loser.

texx is absolutely right. Its a dog eat dog world out there. One quote I
remember from collegiate budget battles came from a student who was
infuriated that the campus was cutting his sport. He said " Stop giving us
this neo-capitalist b******t about the carving up a pie. If we have a program
that requires money, its [the administration's] job to go out and find it."
Unfortunately, many college students share that nonsensical attitude.

If you want to save a program, you have to prove that it is worth saving.
Drum up alumni interest, community support, sponsorships, etc. Petitions are
worthless unless you can prove the university that you are ready to put your
money where your mouth is, or put someone else's money where your mouth is.

The universities of this land only have so much money, and the fact is it is
incumbent upon those institutions to put ACADEMICS <gasp!> and the support of
academic faculty and facilities first. Sports is the tail, not the dog. If
your program takes away resources without giving back, it is logical for the
administration to see it as a parasite and kill it. Be a contributor,
though, and you insure your legacy.

David

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Date: Sat, 16 Apr 94 19:29:11 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Kent State et al...

Find a rich alum who likes you.

-- Gimnasta

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Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 11:57:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: ***@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu
Subject: my illustration attempt

Okay, the l is the hands/neck, the o is a foot, the - a hand, the = = the
cross-section of beam, the 0 the head and the / both the torso and one leg.

THE TRICK I WAS DESCRIBING, SIDE-VIEW...

O o
l /
/l/
/l
/ l
=-=
Cara
P.S. - the leg angle should be deeper (more horizontal) but at least you get
some idea....

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Date: Sun, 17 Apr 94 10:23:21 EDT
From: ***@aluxpo.att.com
Subject: Sara qualifies

Just wanted to let everyone who "knows" Sara know that yesterday she
qualified to L10 Nationals. She did quite well under the circumstances
(she fractured a bone in her foot 2 weeks ago and the stress fracture in
her good leg is bothering her from overcompensating). She's still not
feeling good about all this because it really bothers her that she can't
go out there and do what she knows she could otherwise...the coaches had
to take a lot of difficulty out of her routines, not to mention that she
couldn't throw all the new tricks she'd been working on. And it's bothering
her that the judges might remember her for what they're seeing now. So we
have a lot of "head" things to deal with over the next three weeks.

Toby

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Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 21:30:37 -0400 (edt)
From: <***@dorsai.dorsai.org>
Subject: Save a program

When Princeton dropped its mens program a number of years ago there were
some prettty high powered alums that pushed to save/help finance the
program. The university just did not want to be bothered! Once the
administration decides to kill a program it's VERY hard to change the minds.
It makes them look bad because a way has been found to run that program
and they (the administration) were not the ones to figure it out!!

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Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 23:15:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: <***@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: The Coolest P-bar Trick

I just wanted to share with you guys what I believe to be the parallel
bar trick of the demigods.

At the San Jose Spartan Invite a few months ago, a Cal gymnast stepped
up after the competition and swung in a support a few times on P's.
Then he swung his body through the front swing position and dislocated
to a handstand _while maintaining his grip on the bars_. It's kind of
like when people show a manna on floor and then dislocate to a handstand,
but on floor you don't have to have your thumbs turned competely in.
Picture yourself in a handstand, hands positioned in front of you
as if you were doing a regular handstand, but your shoulders have
rotated a complete 360 degrees. yarrgh.

Some of us judges were discussing it later, trying to figure out what
we'd rate it, and the general consensus was that it was a back-toss to
handstand without letting go. As such, it deserved a "D"--one grade
up from a regular back-toss to handstand.

Myself, I would have given it an "F"

--Kubs

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Date: Fri, 15 Apr 94 1:44:50 PDT
From: <***@cisco.com>
Subject: The Coolest P-bar Trick

Then he swung his body through the front swing position and dislocated
to a handstand _while maintaining his grip on the bars_.

Some of us judges were discussing it later, trying to figure out what
we'd rate it, and the general consensus was that it was a back-toss to
handstand without letting go. As such, it deserved a "D"--one grade
up from a regular back-toss to handstand.

Aside from requiring mutant or perhaps reconstructed shoulders, isn't it
easier when you don't have to let go?

There was a guy on our highschool team who could put his hands in front of
him on top of one another with his fingers interlocked (palm to
back-of-hand), and move them over his head till they were behind his back
(inlocating on the way, of course.) Really weird to watch.

But then people would look at be sort of strange when I did some of the
things I used to do with my legs, too. Never did anything really weird in
competition though, unless you count the V-seat on rings...

I always wondered whether moves that amounted to inherent body weirdness
should get high difficulty or not...

Chops

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Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 17:13:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: ***@netcom.com
Subject: Vertigo

Interesting, Clive...
In my anatomy/physiology (agony/pain... the profs jokes were terrible)
they taught us about a camsule lined with hairs with a pool of fluid that
sloshed about.

Anyone got a copy of Greys Anatomy to settle this issue ?
I cant find my copy.

This is also why rollercoasters make people sick.
The director of neurology at the Univ of Mich Ann Arbor hospital moonlites
as a roller coaster doctor. His latest caper was to debug the
"Back to the Future" ride at Universal Studios. He determined that the timing
of the projectors was out of sync with the motion of the ride.


We had digressed from GYM however... SOmeone please dig out their
Grey's Anatomy and tell us if I am right about the pool of liguid of if
Clives "bouncing ball" is the answer ?

-texx

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Date: Sat, 16 Apr 94 20:12:30 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Worlds Poll...

Last 2 days to post in my informal Worlds poll. The question is NOT "who do
you think will win," but

Who Do You Want To Win? AA, events, etc.

E-Mail to me at this screenname. I'll post a compilation Monday.

Mara

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