GYMN-L Digest - 31 May 1996 - Special issue

There are 15 messages totalling 644 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

1. Elena Moukhina, accident (3)
2. Incident with Hwang Bo Sil (2)
3. Thomas saltos, etc...
4. Canadian Nationals Results/Olympic Women (spoiler)
5. Gymn judging vs figure skating judging
6. Programs
7. FIGU (3)
8. Chari Knight/JO Results
9. T.V. Alert! For Canadian viewer
10. June GYMN Calendar

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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 09:51:33 -0400
From: ***@NORFOLK.INFI.NET
Subject: Elena Moukhina, accident

My ten your old and I are having a debate. And, being ten, she knows
everything!

Our debate is on which skill it was that Elena Moukhina had the horrible
injury that left here paralyed. I'm sure this question has been asked
before, but if someone could let me know it would be great. We have a weeks
worth of washing dishes riding on this!

Thanks,
Connie

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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 10:17:47 -0400
From: ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Re: Elena Moukhina, accident

Elena Moukhina was performing a "Thomas Salto", named after Kurt
Thomas of the US. The move is a back 1 3/4 salto with 1 1/2 twists, also
called a full twisting arabian 1 3/4. These roll out moves are no longer
allowed in women's gymnastics, as of the 1993-96 code. Does anyone know
the official reason for this, and was it because of the incident with
Hwang Bo Sil of PRK at the 1991 FISU Games?
Chris.

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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 10:47:19 -0400
From: ***@HAVEN.IOS.COM
Subject: Re: Elena Moukhina, accident

What is the incident with Hwang Bo Sil? I saw her quite a few time on
the 1992 Olympic games and she doesn't appear to have any serious
injury. No wonder that He XuMei(CHN) change her floor mount from tuck
full twisting arabian 1 3/4 to full-in between 92 Olympic and 93 American
Cup. Too bad it is no long allowed, it is such beautiful skill to watch.

Tom

> Elena Moukhina was performing a "Thomas Salto", named after Kurt
> Thomas of the US. The move is a back 1 3/4 salto with 1 1/2 twists, also
> called a full twisting arabian 1 3/4. These roll out moves are no longer
> allowed in women's gymnastics, as of the 1993-96 code. Does anyone know
> the official reason for this, and was it because of the incident with
> Hwang Bo Sil of PRK at the 1991 FISU Games?
> Chris.
>

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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 11:02:00 -0400
From: ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Incident with Hwang Bo Sil

At the 1991 FISU Games, Hwang Bo Sil was performing a layout
arabian 1 3/4 (like a Thomas, but with one less twist), and after
completing the skill, she could not stand up, but tried repeatedly, only
to fall down again and again. There was another contraversy in that they
made her vault in the next rotation. PRK ended up winning the team
title, but by such a score that her vault was not even necessary. This
incident was reported in IG's coverage of the meet.
Chris.

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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 10:12:45 CDT
From: ***@PROCTR.CBA.UA.EDU
Subject: Thomas saltos, etc...

I have seen many many crashes on the Thomas salto and roll out moves.
I'm glad they have taken them out of the code. Those crashes are
some of the worst I've seen. The gymnasts were landing on their head
because they didn't get enough rotation. It would cause them to
become dizzy to where they couldn't even stand up. They would just
fall over and would have to be carried off the floor. There were
many concussions.

Shawn

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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 11:37:39 -0400
From: ***@CAPITALNET.COM
Subject: Canadian Nationals Results/Olympic Women (spoiler)

Canadian Nationals results from Sault Ste. Marie
are now posted under
the Gymnastics Canada Gymnastique web page:

http://www.capitalnet.com/~chiug/cangym.html

Canada will be represented at the 1996 Olympic
Games in Atlanta by
Yvonne Tousek, Jennifer Exaltacion, and Shanyn
MacEachern. See the web
page for further details.

I am having trouble posting e-mail, so please do
not ask me to send the
results by e-mail until next week.

Regards,

Grace

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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 12:29:19 EDT
From: ***@BBN.COM
Subject: Gymn judging vs figure skating judging

I'll agree that figure skating judging often seems inexplicable, sometimes
even to other judges, but here's my understanding of what the differences
are:

The short/technical/original program is scored more like gymnastics:
Your program as a base mark (akin to a gymnastics routine's start value),
which is presumably the highest score you could get if it were
skated well and without errors. Then there are deductions (usually
ranges, instead of point values like the 0.5 for a gymnastics fall).
So someone who skates an easier short program may still lose to
someone who falls but has a higher base mark. It's been my
observation that the artistic impression scores tend to track
the technical merit scores in that the former are hardly ever more
than 0.5 higher or lower than the latter, so they probably have
less discriminatory power than they ought to. Also, bear in mind that
because figure skating results are based on ordinals, the
absolute values of the scores from a judge don't really matter;
the relative rankings do. So judge A can be harsher than judge
B on everyone, and the judges may still have identical rankings
(orderings from best to worst) for the skaters. (BTW, I happen
to agree with the poster who thought that Bonaly and Kwiatkowski
were misranked relative to each other at Worlds, although I'm
told that Kwiatkowski was judged down for skating "tentatively"
[i.e, relatively slowly and without obvious confidence]--the
judges prize speed, and it's very difficult to judge that
watching on TV.)

For the long program, the basic rule is that you're only judged
for technical merit on what you actually manage to complete, although
falls and other errors may damage your artistic impression scores
by disrupting the program. Therefore, no one knows your
"start value" until you've finished skating, and thus there
are no "mandatory deductions" of that kind. (There are other
rules about not getting credit for certain repeated moves,
but these aren't actually deductions, either.) A famous
example of this was Viktor Petrenko's win over Paul Wylie
at the 1992 Olympics long program--Petrenko botched his
second triple axel, but since he and Wylie each completed
a clean one, there were considered equal in that technical aspect.

Since gymnasts seldom alter their routines in midstream
unless they run into major problems, and are always marked down
for errors, I can understand how the judging of a long program
in figure skating may seem odd to a gymn fan.

For my money, the most consistent judging in a judged sport
seems to be in diving--not only are the judges usually in
agreement with each other, but knowledgeable observers
can predict the scores for dives with fair accuracy.

>>Kathy

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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 09:39:30 +0100
From: ***@ASUCLA.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: Incident with Hwang Bo Sil

It is the only gymnastics related incident that I was so disturbed after
watching it that I could never watch it again.. She kept trying to stand up
but was so disoriented she just kept spiraling back down...

She also competed in finals the next day, fell off beam, I wonder why!

-PJ

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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 10:55:17 -0600
From: ***@MARCELINE.K12.MO.US
Subject: Programs

I have a question for all current gymnasts out there. Does the gym you
attend have programs in which all students perform routines with the rest
of their class? I come from a small gym, and our program is tomorrow.
It's called
"Salute to America" and all the songs have to be patriotic in some way. At
our gym, all classes perform their own routine, for example a beginner's
class would perform, then a Level 2, Level 4, etc. The finale is always
big, with all the students doing something. Also, about how many kids are
in a class? I am currently in Level 5 and there are only 3 of us at the
time, but we started out last fall with 6. One more question: how many
hours a week do you train? I go about 4 hours a week, but this week I've
already put in 4 1/2 with another practice tonight that will last about 3
hours. Thanks for your time.

Allie

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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 12:18:41 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: FIGU

What is this competition?


Jeff
Dina, Dina, Dina.

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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 13:35:07 -0400
From: ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Re: FIGU

Well, I've never heard of a FIGU competition <g>, but the FISU
meet which was mentionned is the World University Games (which I know is
what you meant Jeff, don't worry). I"m not sure what FISU stands for,
but if it's French I'm guessing "Federation International des Sports
Universitaire."? (or something like that). Does anyone know if that's right?
Chris.

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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 11:47:21 +0100
From: ***@ASUCLA.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: FIGU

Is the International Student Games aka Universiade aka University Games

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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 15:21:41 CDT
From: ***@PROCTR.CBA.UA.EDU
Subject: Chari Knight/JO Results

I was just looking at the results of the '96 Jr. Olympic Championships
that was held in Georgia earlier this month, on USA Gymnastics Online
and it had Chari Knight Hunter as the AA winner in the 17 an up group.
This couldn't be the same Chari Knight formerly of Oregon State could it?
Does anyone know about this? It had her gym listed as NAAG in Oregon.
She also won balance beam so it makes me wonder even more.

Thanks.

Shawn

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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 14:52:38 -0700
From: ***@VCN.BC.CA
Subject: T.V. Alert! For Canadian viewer

Hi All!

For the Canadian on this list, CBC (French) will be showing the World
Championship this Sat at 1pm (PDT), please check you local listing just
to be sure. Enjoy! and Sorry to the rest, but I'm sure we all seen this
already.

Crazy about gymnastic,
Thomas

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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 14:57:49 -0700
From: ***@PRIMENET.COM
Subject: June GYMN Calendar

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Featuring 76 events and 287 days of gymnastics!

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Legend:
M - Men's gymnastics W - Women's gymnastics
R - Rhythmic gymnastics O - Other
T - Trampoline & Tumbling G - General gymnastics
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June 1996

Su M Tu W Th F Sa
1
2 3 4 5 6 7 8
9 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
30

1-2 Team Championships of France (MW)
5-10 Canadian National Championships (R)/ Montreal, Quebec, Canada
5-8 Coca-Cola U.S. National Championships (MW)/ Knoxville, TN
URL: http://www.usa-gymnastics.org/usag/events/1996/natls/
7-9 French Rhythmic Championships (R)/ Thiais, France
7-8 Sr. Women's Tri-Meet, FRA/UKR/SPA (W)/ Boulogne Sur Mer, France
8 BROADCAST: U.S. Nat'l Champs. (MW)/ 4:00 PM EDT, NBC
9 BROADCAST: U.S. Nat'l Champs. (MW)/ 3:00 PM EDT, NBC
15 BROADCAST: 1996 Women's European Champs. AA (W)/ ABC, 4:30 PM EDT
15-16 French Cup Finals (R)/ Lille-Lomme, France
15-16 French Cup Finals (MW)/ Nantes, France
15-16 Yorkshire Gymnastics Spectacular (G)/ Halifax, England
NOTE: For info, email to M.Greenwood@lmu.ac.uk
16 Sports Acro 3-Way International, BUL/UKR/GBR (A)/ Newcastle
Arena, Newcastle upon Tyne, England
18-19 Elite Qualifiers (M)/ Various Sites
21-23 Rhythmic World Championships (R)/ Budapest, Hungary
22 BROADCAST: 1996 Women's European Champs. EF (W)/ ABC, 4:30 PM EDT
22-23 Grand Prix of Gymnastics (G)/ Epernay, France
22-23 Trofeo Euskadi (W)/ Vitoria, Spain
NOTE: Contact Luis Sanzo, lsanzo@jet.es
25-26 U.S. Olympic Team Trials (R)/ Wang Center, Boston, MA
NOTE: Contact: Ticketmaster at 617-931-2000
URL: http://rainbow.rmii.com/~rachele/files/1/
pr1_us_olympic_trials.txt
26-30 YMCA National Women's Championship (W)/ Toledo, OH
27-30 U.S. Olympic Team Trials (MW)/ Fleet Center, Boston, MA
NOTE: Contact: Ticketmaster at 617-931-2000
URL: http://rainbow.rmii.com/~rachele/files/1/
pr1_us_olympic_trials.txt
27-30 USAG Congress (O)/ Boston, MA
28 BROADCAST: U.S. Olympic Trials (R)/ 7:30 - 9:00 PM EDT, ESPN,
11:30 PM-1:30 AM, ESPN2
29-7/1 Men's National Clubs Competition (M)/ Canberra, ACT, Australia
29 BROADCAST: U.S. Olympic Trials (M)/ 4:00 PM EDT, NBC
30 BROADCAST: U.S. Olympic Trials (W)/ 2:00 PM, 7:00 PM EDT, NBC
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July 1996

Su M Tu W Th F Sa
1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 29 30 31

2 USA Tramp. & Tumbling Championships (T)/ Phoenix Civic Plaza,
Phoenix, AZ
9-13 Rhythmic Classic Clubs Competition (R)/ Brisbane, QLD, Australia
13 Pre-Olympic Exhibition (M)/ Greensboro, NC
15-29 Olympics Artistic Competition (MW)/ Georgia Dome, Atlanta, GA
URL: http://www.atlanta.olympic.org
15-18 Podium Training
20 Men's Compulsories (M)
21 Women's Compulsories (W)
22 Men's Optionals (M)
23 Women's Optionals (W)
24 Men's All-Around (M)
25 Women's All-Around (W)
28 Event Finals: Men's FX, PH, SR, Women's V, UB
29 Event Finals: Men's V, PB, HB, Women's BB, FX
27-28 70th FIG Congress (O)/ Atlanta, GA
28-8/3 USSAF National Champs. (A)/ La Sierra, California
NOTE: Contact Roger McFarland 909-785-2293
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August 1996

Su M Tu W Th F Sa
1 2 3
4 5 6 7 8 9 10
11 12 13 14 15 16 17
18 19 20 21 22 23 24
25 26 27 28 29 30 31

1-4 Olympics Rhythmic Competition (R)/ U. of GA, Athens, GA
URL: http://www.atlanta.olympic.org
1 Individual Preliminaries, Group Preliminaries
2 Individual Preliminaries, Group Finals
3 Individual Semifinals
4 Individual Finals
3-4 New Zealand Junior National Championships (MW)/ Christchurch,
New Zealand
12 Gymn's Fourth Anniversary (O)/ n/a
URL: http://rainbow.rmii.com/~rachele/gymnhome.html
15-17 Women's National Clubs Champs. (W)/ Adelaide, SA, Australia
16-27 Xth Paralympic Games (MWR)/ Atlanta, Ga.
23 World Championships (T)/ Pacific National Exhib. Coliseum,
Vancouver, BC, Canada
29-9/1 World Age Group Games (T)/ Riverside Coliseum, Kamloops, BC,
Canada
TBA Post Olympic Tour (USA) (MWR)/ TBA
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September 1996

Su M Tu W Th F Sa
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
8 9 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30

5-8 Commonwealth Bank Aussie Gymfest (?)/ Taree, Australia
18-20 New Zealand Senior National Championships (MW)/ Auckland, New
Zealand
25-28 National Levels Champs. (?)/ Brisbane, QLD, Australia
30-10/7 IFSA World Champs. (A)/ Riesa, Germany
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October 1996

Su M Tu W Th F Sa
1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30 31

4-6 British Women's Championships (W)/ Guildford, England
9-13 UEG Congress (O)/ Tel Aviv, Israel
11-12 International Tournament of Gymnastics (MWR)/ Orleans, France
12-13 Junior Olympic Group Championships (R)/ Downers Grove, IL
17-20 World Aerobic Championships (O)/ La Haye, France
19-20 Octoberfest Invit. (W)/ Apollo School of Gym., Clearwater, FL
TBA National TOP Testing (W)/ TBA
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November 1996

Su M Tu W Th F Sa
1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30

4-11 FIG Intercontinental Judge's Course (W)/ Athens, GA
12-17 Pacific Alliance Championships (?)/ Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
15-17 French Championships (?)/ TBA
22-27 FFG Congress (O)/ Paris, France
22-24 Swiss Cup (MW)/ Saalsporthalle Zuerich, Zurich, Switzerland
23-30 FIG Intercontinental Judge's Course (MW)/ Lahti, FIN
29-12/1 DTB Cup (MW)/ Schleyer-Halle Stuttgart, Stuttgart, Germany
30 International Jr. Match GBR/GER/SUI/FRA (?)/ TBA
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December 1996

Su M Tu W Th F Sa
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
8 9 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30 31

3-9 PAGU Jr. Champ. and Congress (MWR)/ Guatemala City, GUA
7-8 French Federal Championships (R)/ TBA
8-15 FIG Intercontinental Judge's Course (M)/ Seattle, WA
14-15 French Interzone Cup (?)/ Clermond Ferrand, France
TBA National TOP Team Training Camp (W)/ TBA
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January 1997

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5 6 7 8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30 31

4-7 Pacific Gymfest (G)/ Hamilton, New Zealand
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August 1997

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3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30
31

13-16 USA National Championships (MW)/ TBA
14-17 USAG Congress (O)/ TBA
31-9/7 World Championships (MW)/ Lausanne, Switzerland
31-9/12 World University Games (MWR)/ Sicily, ITA
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September 1997

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1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 29 30

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Fall 1997


TBA World Championships (R)/ Munich or Berlin, Germany
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July 1998

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5 6 7 8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30 31

25-8/9 Goodwill Games (MWR)/ New York, N.Y.
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August 1998

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2 3 4 5 6 7 8
9 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
30 31

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TBA 1998


TBA FIG Congress (O)/ Lisbon, Portugal
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Summer 1999


TBA World University Games (MWR)/ Palma de Mallorca, ESP
TBA XIIIth Pan American Games (MWR)/ Winnipeg, Manitoba, CAN
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TBA 1999


TBA World Gymnaestrada (G)/ Goteborg, Sweden
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September 2000

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3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30

16-10/1 Games of the XXVIIth Olympiad (MWR)/ Sydney, AUS
URL: http://www.sydney.olympic.org/
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October 2000

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8 9 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30 31

21-11/1 XIth Paralympic Games (MWR)/ Sydney, AUS
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November 2000

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12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
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