GYMN-L Digest - 31 Jul 1996 - Special issue

There are 25 messages totalling 602 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. US Men
  2. Re Web Address
  3. HELP!!! Gymnastics Exhibition
  4. eligibility
  5. GYMN-L Digest - 30 Jul 1996 - Special issue
  6. FIG book
  7. A first! - and Gogean's music (3)
  8. Champions Gala & event finals
  9. Exhibition
 10. Different things
 11. New low in NBC's coverage
 12. Gymnastics gala
 13. Jewel in the Crown
 14. Xiaoshuang, Tesh, Daggett, NBC
 15. Post Olympic Tour
 16. Moceanu blinded on beam?
 17. coaching
 18. Champions' Gala
 19. US Team Tours???
 20. Korbut suggestions
 21. New Elements at Olympics?
 22. Flashes?
 23. Amanar FX -- near miss?


Date:    Wed, 31 Jul 1996 06:24:43 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: US Men

Oh Chris!  How did I miss that one!  I love every opportunity to delight in
the beauty of a well defined body.  Was this during the Champions Gala last
night?  Dammit, I fell asleep!  I hate NBC!

For you and the rest of the list...I was slammed for reporting my thorough
enjoyment in Greensboro of the men's shirtless display (The objectification
of both sexes does not justify the objectification of one).  I must agree
though, that when you're trying to gain legitimate respect, it's best not to
draw the focus of your activities away from that.  I've never heard Nemov
complaining that he's not respected for his gymnastics...just that he has a
great body.  I'm all for freedom of speech, expression, whatever--it's the
American way.  Just don't be surprised when you're hand is called and all
you've got is a pair of fives.  [which by the way equals ten = USA

Okay then...question of the week:

What is the best way for the American men to gain respect for their
gymnastics?  Continue their display of gymn sans shirts?  Take the high road
like it's beneath them to display the bods they've worked so hard for?
 What's the opinion of the list?

Self-appointed President of the Shirt Patrol (asleep at the switch) ;)


Date:    Wed, 31 Jul 1996 21:10:35 +1000
From:    ***@REDASH.QUT.EDU.AU
Subject: Re Web Address

Date:    Wed, 31 Jul 1996 04:13:18 -0400
From:    ***@GNN.COM
Subject: <No subject given>

Does anyone have the address of a web site with ACCURATE lists of who has
made event finals? Every one I've seen so far (on the web, posted here, the
newspaper) has been slightly different from every other one.

I have found this Web Site useful

Don't panic, you can find out the participants without having to look at
the results.



Date:    Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:47:55 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: HELP!!! Gymnastics Exhibition

HELP!!! I put the wrong tape in to record last night's gymnastic's
exhibition! I need a copy to round out my collection. Please let me know if
you can help out a fellow american whose down on his luck.

Oh, does anyone have the TODAY show from the morning after the team final's.
I am also missing that.

Thanks in advance,


Date:    Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:33:25 -0400
From:    ***@EAGLE.LHUP.EDU
Subject: eligibility

It is my understanding that when athletes pose for catalogs and such
their payment can be made to a "training fund" monitored and controlled
by USA Gymnastics to assist with training costs.  This does not ruin
their eligibility.

Where the line is for personal money and Training money, I'm not quite
sure but I believe the training fund is how they maintain their amatuer
status.  Big money such as the post Olympic tour would go directly to

Does anyone else know this to be the case?



Date:    Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:11:54 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 30 Jul 1996 - Special issue

Please remove this address from your mail list tks.


Date:    Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:12:32 -0400
From:    ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: FIG book

        I never received my book either.  Is there someone out there who
has some kind of connection or number that I can call. Also I was
wondering who can give a great account of routines.  Especially of the
non Americans.  To much of  America Games are are making me sick, even
though I live here.   There are 196 other countries,
 11 participating in Gymnastics. I would like to know what happened and
the events that have have surfaced.  According to a USA Today poll about NBC,
 people are tired of gymnastics. Especially people from track and field.


Date:    Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:23:44 -0400
Subject: A first! - and Gogean's music

A first! If you look closely after the individuals, when the athletes
(including the Americans) are kissing each other - you can see Dina
kissing Moceanu, and if you look *very closely* you can see Dina ...
smile :) - at least it's a first for me, and very nice to see, she has
such a beautiful face

Gogean's floor music is a Jewish folk song called "Avenu Shalom
Aleychim" which means hello and welcome sort of. I'm thinking there must
be a Russian vesion or are they much more liberal there now?
--- Jeff


Date:    Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:48:30 -0400
From:    ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: Re: A first! - and Gogean's music

a friend was watching Goegean's fx with me and started laughing when she
heard the music, because it is a tune played at most bat mitzvah's,
including her own

> A first! If you look closely after the individuals, when the athletes
> (including the Americans) are kissing each other - you can see Dina
> kissing Moceanu, and if you look *very closely* you can see Dina ...
> smile :) - at least it's a first for me, and very nice to see, she has
> such a beautiful face
> Gogean's floor music is a Jewish folk song called "Avenu Shalom
> Aleychim" which means hello and welcome sort of. I'm thinking there must
> be a Russian vesion or are they much more liberal there now?
> --
> --- Jeff


Date:    Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:54:00 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Champions Gala & event finals

The Champions Gala last night was simply awesome!  It was so great to see
some of those gymnasts actually having fun out there.  And Alexei is a real
character.  The US-Russian finale was great and I thought the ending was so
sweet.  And Vitaly introducing Li, even managing a smile as he did so.
I ended up watching the gala with a group of friends, one of whom is almost
as enamored with Alexei as I am, and ended up spending most of the diving,
Dream Team, and mountain biking breaks teaching her Russian!
And about the men's event finals NBC "showed" Monday night. . . during the
late night coverage they did show the three medal winning vaulters after all.
 The only reason I saw this was because I left the VCR running after I went
to bed in case there was an interview with Shannon and luckily that also made
my tape!


Kerri, Alexei, Kerri, Alexei, Kerri, Alexei, . . .


Date:    Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:12:15 -0400
Subject: Re: A first! - and Gogean's music

Exactly - Bar Mitzvahs too. I wonder if Gogean's Jewish? I know Lysenko
was - but that isn't the kind of thing that one tends to advertise
outside the U.S. and Israel.

[the other] Jeff

Anjel wrote:
> a friend was watching Goegean's fx with me and started laughing when she
> heard the music, because it is a tune played at most bat mitzvah's,
> including her own

--- Jeff


Date:    Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:38:01 CST
From:    ***@WKU.EDU
Subject: Exhibition

     Wasn't the champions exhibition just spectacular?!!  I thought is was
     so great to see everyone perform in a cool, relaxed manner and just
     have fun.  Nemov, on the floor was really cool!  And of course, the
     last floor performance by the Mag7 all together!  Seeing the different
     gymnasts introducing each other was really neat also, especially when
     Scherbo introduced Xiaxang!  This entire Olympic Gymnastics
     competition has been truly excellesnt!!



Date:    Wed, 31 Jul 1996 08:39:17 -0500
From:    ***@PO-BOX.MCGILL.CA
Subject: Re: Different things

>Dominique Moceanou
>I cannot believe how bad Dominique Moceanou did considering that she was
>supposed to be the next Mary Lou. She got all the hype and didn't do that

        Next time, do not let any publisist / agent convince you of anything
*they* want you to believe; check it for yourself; watch the routines during
the competitions.  That is the lonly way to make up your own mind (i.e. based
on facts). Moceanu was sold to the media as 'our greatest chance for a medal'
by a well-orchestrated machine that made sure she was promoted as such before
the Olympics.  We have stay critical of what we hear and read.  Dominique did
the best she could under the circonstences of incredible pressure.  If she
failed, she only did so because of the expectations the media put on her, not
because of lack of athletic ability.  Sportmanship implies that you rejoice in
winning because of your good performances, but also means you know how to lose
gracefully.  She did just that. Anyways, when .5 point separates the 1st 9
gymnasts of the AA, they are all winners in my book, regardless of their
Your message sounds like "if you do not win the gold medal, you are
worthless", which I think ruins the Olympic spirit.

        Moreover, it is possible IMO that people using flash cameras in the
Georgia Dome may have played a role in (or at least contributed to) Moceanu
falling off the beam; we are not dealing with a long jump where the athlete is
hardly 1 foot or 2 above the ground and falls on a pit of sand; we are dealing
with athletes who are performing acrobatics
'on-4-inch-wide-beam-4-feet-off-the-ground' (for those who missed John Tesh)
and potential for serious injury if they get blinded with flash cameras.
Certainly the number of flashes from the benches that night (despite numerous
warinings to refrain from them) was enough to endanger any performance...



Date:    Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:18:41 EDT
From:    ***@BBN.COM
Subject: New low in NBC's coverage

Guess I spoke too soon.  I praise NBC's Sunday night EF coverage,
and they give us their sorry coverage of the men on Monday.
Only the gold medallist on HB, in a field that was obviously
spectacular, with 3 guys tied for bronze (you even got to hear
Daggett telling you what a great competition you weren't going to see :-().
and, past 2 a.m., 5/6 of the medallists in the men's vault (only
1 of winner Nemov's vaults was shown).  Good grief!  Considering
they didn't end their primetime show until about 1 a.m., they might
as well have gone another 30 or 45 minutes and shown us the rest of
the men's gymnastics, instead of wasting time repeating clips of
American track and field winners' medal ceremonies.  They also
showed a brief shot of the PB medal stand very late--ecstatic
Charipov, happy Lynch, grim Scherbo.

John Tesh hit a new low in broadcasting, telling us all that
Amanar had run back from the ladies' room to get to the floor
in time for FX finals.  I suppose we should be grateful that
he didn't follow up by telling us whether it was #1 or #2.
Even inquiring minds don't want to know!

According to my Russian teacher in college, unaccented o's tend to
become schwas.  If you're a typical American, that's the sound
you give the two a's in "America."  So Daggett's ScherbO is
wrong, and Tesh's ScherbAH is closer, but ScherbUH is probably
still closer to correct.  Of course, now that he's living in
the US, Scherbo may have followed the centuries' old tradition
of immigrants and adopted the inevitable mispronuciation of
his name.  To add to the fun, the Dome announcer's been
mispronouncing the names of Podkopayeva and Boginskaya,
along with many others, I'm sure.  (Who is that announcer, anyway?
He sounds familiar.)  And Tesh continues to mispronounce Li
Xiaoshuang's name, which I guess makes him even with Daggett.

Loved Nemov working the crowd in his FX exhibition.  I still
wonder what the non-Americans make of the crowd.



Date:    Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:27:25 -0400
Subject: Gymnastics gala

I know I'm breaking Rachele's 1-message rule :( - but she's real nice
and hopefully won't censure me, besides, with artistic over now the flow
should decrease.

I hope everyone got a chance to see the Gala last night. I watched the
tape this morning. It was great, the Russian men and the German highbar
gold winner (sorry, didn't see it so don't know his name) were very
entertaining. The American gals were great doing their floor routine and
Margarena and YMCA - I'm Proud To Be An American brought tears to my
eyes (yes, I know, I'm a patriotic sentimental fool). I noticed the
Russian kissed Moceanu 3 or 4 times ;)

[the other] Jeff


Date:    Wed, 31 Jul 1996 18:03:08 +0200
From:    ***@XS4ALL.NL
Subject: Jewel in the Crown

While the Olympic Gala was coming to its thrilling conclusion I was filled
with joy to know that the probably most prestigious medal in WAG will
shortly be travelling home in the luggage of a very proud young lady.

I am convinced, and hope that many of you will agree with me, that we have
seen the most magnificent Olympic Champion to date.

Think about her expression, precision, power, amplitude, grace and dancing...
few, if any, could match her excellence.

To me she is also the most beautiful Olympic Champion one could wish for.
Just marvel at that perfectly sculptured body, powerful yet feminine, or
look at that lovely face, those bright eyes...
She also was wearing the most elegant leo's, the blue one at the Gala was
-very- classy, it really showed her commitment to the ballet.

I am running out of superlatives, and I haven't even revealed her name, but
you have already guessed it right: it's LILIA PODKOPAYEVA!!!

She is the most precious jewel in my Crown of Distinction, and she is in
good company too. Other jewels are Svetlana Boguinskaya, Henrietta Onodi,
Shannon Miller and some more.


If you find this message long-winded or beside the point please inform me so
by private email. Don't flame me, I am only human.


Date:    Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:32:30 -0700
Subject: Xiaoshuang, Tesh, Daggett, NBC

Okay, now that we've determined that Scherba/Scherbo may be a matter of
taste, does anyone have any idea how the NBC announcers (at least Daggett
and Tesh) got it in their head that it should be Shwowshwong?  And, if it's
definitely wrong, why didn't someone at NBC (hint, hint, David) pass on the
message to them that it was annoying people?  I do appreciate the fact that,
whether coincidence or not, the commentators added a bit more tech. talk
(skill names, etc.) to their commentary after people on the list made the

A big thumbs up to Tim Daggett for lamenting the fact that originality has
been removed from the code.  From Dean's (I think) comments, it sounded like
the judges were rewarding originality anyway, at least in event finals.  But
it's time to bring back the amplitude, virtuosity, and originality (or
whatever it was called) bonus.

A HUGE thumbs down to NBC for stretching their "prime time" show until
almost 1:00 a.m. Monday morning (for you east-coasters) and still not
showing more than one high bar routine.  Pardon me if my recollection is
wrong, but didn't they manage to fit in a Michael Johnson (and Shannon
Miller, I believe) interview before going back to the local stations?  These
could have waited for the late portion of the show; that's the kind of thing
people expect from "Hyper Hannah" and Ambassador Ahmad.  How can they not
show more of the most exciting event in men's gymnastics, especially
considering the fact that five people earned medals??  (Two words: No

As for John Tesh's comment about Amanar's run from the restroom before
floor, I think it was relevant and informative.  I don't, however, think it
deserved rehashing (one of John's specialties) during the Gala.

That's all for now.

Here's hoping that NBC gives a decent amount of airtime to the Rhythmics.
Note to NBC: Petrova (world champ) and Davis (the American) will not be the
only ones competing.  Please be sure to show us some others.


Date:    Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:05:24 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Post Olympic Tour

Is the Post Olympic Tour the  same as the Tour of World Gymnastics Champions?
 I am going to that one, ROW 1 SECTION 2 at the Fleet Center in October.  I
know that the main people scheduled are Kim, Shannon, two Dominique's, John
Rothelisberger (sp.?), and Kurt Thomas.  I got the info while at the Olympic

                          So can someone tell me if this is the same thing,


Date:    Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:17:51 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Moceanu blinded on beam?

It was either that or nerves.  Did you see her face before she went on beam?
 It was pale and looked nervous.


Date:    Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:37:08 -0400
From:    ***@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU
Subject: coaching

Hi... I am intrested in getting started in coaching and would love some
information from coaches or anyone else who might know something... in
terms of education/degree/training requirements and the like... thank u!


Date:    Wed, 31 Jul 1996 12:47:12 -0600
From:    ***@MARCELINE.K12.MO.US
Subject: Champions' Gala

I really enjoyed the Champions' Gala on TV last night.  I was pleased with
the Phelps/Borden/Moceanu beam trio- The musical selection was great.  But
I absolutely loved the finale with the whole US Team.  Elfi said it best
when she said, "It is nice to see them let loose and just be teenagers."
Does anyone know if they are taking that routine on the road?  It would be
really nice if they did.  They country would really enjoy it.



Date:    Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:56:27 -0700
Subject: US Team Tours???

I've heard from a couple people that the US team will be on tour.  Is it
just the women, or the men also.  And if anyone has the dates for either
LA or San Jose, CA, or any info on finding out about it,...I'd really
appreciate it.  Thanks


Date:    Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:20:23 -0400
From:    ***@KENT.NET
Subject: Korbut suggestions

I happened to catch a feature on Olga Korbut last night on CBC. ( I was
okay, cheesy in typical NBC fashion but I didn't think that it needed to be
shown last night when a lot of other events occuring that day could
have been covered.  Why don't they save all of these things and air them
in an Olympians special before/after the games?)

Anyhow, the interviewers asked Korbut what she thought of gymnastics
today and she offered two suggestions:

1.  that they separate the field into two different age groups so older (for
gymnastics) women would be able to compete

2.  that they put more emphasis on the artistic aspect of gymnastics.
(after all, it is called ARTISTIC gymnastics!)

I think that both are good ideas.  It would be really neat to see two groups
 - one for ages 15-18 or so and another for 18 and up.  We've seen in
these Olympics many "older" girls show that they still have a lot to give
to the sport, but also that their bodies won't let them perform some of
the acrobatics like  younger girls can.

I wonder if it would work to have an artistic impression score like they
do in figure skating - at least for women's FX?  Or maybe even a tenth or
two bonus for exceptional dance like the distance bonus in mens' vault.

What does everyone else think?

- Megan


Date:    Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:24:24 -0700
From:    ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: New Elements at Olympics?

Besides Khorkina's Shapo 1/2 on UB, were there any other "new" elements
performed in Atlanta?




Date:    Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:42:16 -0700
Subject: Re: Flashes?

> Date:    Tue, 30 Jul 1996 23:31:01 -0700
> Subject: Flashes?
>         I don't know about everyone else, but I for one keep my eyes closed
> whenever I'm upside down.  Maybe Moceanu can take some notes!  LOL ;-*

You are not supposed to keep your eyes closed because you can't really
know where you are in the air.



Date:    Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:15:58 -0400
From:    ***@FLX.COM
Subject: Amanar FX -- near miss?

For the second straight night, the Teshmeister was kind enough to
inform us that Simona Amanar almost missed competing in the FX finals
because she was in the ladies' room when her name was called.  Does
anyone think it might have affected her performance?  I've often
wondered what happened when a nervous gymnast needed to make a
last-minute bathroom trip... or if there was any time to do so between
events.  Tesh "enlightened" us.  Now, that's true journalism!   Can you
imagine what would have happened had Amanar missed her start?  Someone
wasn't doing their job keeping track of her.  Guess Moceanu would have
medaled... I really wish we could have seen Milosovich, the defending
gold medalist, on FX.   I find her more interesting than Gogean or
Amanar.  Milo has a great personality and seems to deal well with all
the hoopla.  Loved her smirk to the camera after AA!


End of GYMN-L Digest - 31 Jul 1996 - Special issue