GYMN-L Digest - 29 Jul 1996 to 30 Jul 1996

There are 10 messages totalling 265 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. In response to Re: Gym Princesses and sportsmanship
  2. GYMN-L Digest - 29 Jul 1996 - Special issue
  3. This is absolutely unfair !
  4. Moceanu/Strug
  5. Female training
  6. the price
  7. O: MAG Vault EF Results
  8. O: WAG Beam EF Results
  9. O: MAG Parallel Bars EF Results


Date:    Mon, 29 Jul 1996 16:39:18 -0700
Subject: In response to Re: Gym Princesses and sportsmanship

>This isn't a flame...more like a question that arose out of a post I
>don't know to agree with or not (though I lean heavily towards not
>agreeing!) but I watched the brodcasts just like others, and say during
>the uneven bars event final Milo and Anamar congratualted each other, and
>Pods and Dina K and Khorkina did, and Amy and Dawes did. What do these
>grouping have in common? Besides being from the same countries...The same
>language! Perahps that has something to do with it? i don't know, guess
>you'd have to ask someone who has competed internationally and been in
>that laguage barrier spot...

I don't think it is necessary to speak the same language in order to
congratulare someone.  A hug or a handshake can say "Congratulations" in
the absence of words.



Date:    Mon, 29 Jul 1996 19:45:54 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 29 Jul 1996 - Special issue

Kerri Strug:
She is a very strong gymnast and should of deserved a little more recognition
before her amazing vault.


Date:    Mon, 29 Jul 1996 19:54:41 -0400
From:    ***@PITT.EDU
Subject: Re: This is absolutely unfair !

> Li Xiaoshuang, the
> defending champion, nailed his 10.0 routine , didn't take even a tiny
> step and was only rewarded a 9.835. What is this ? NBC didn't show the
> scores from each individual judge, but I heard the Canadian and British
> judges only gave Li a 9.80, can anyone confirm this ? What are their names ?

Sorry, the two judges are from Armenia and Gerogia.


Date:    Mon, 29 Jul 1996 20:59:19 -0400
From:    ***@GNN.COM
Subject: Moceanu/Strug

>As for
>Moceanu, well, at least we know deep down that she didn't even qualify for
>AA finals.  I know that many were hoping Strug would rehab in time -
>partly because she has been closely denied an AA berth before - but also
>because we didn't want to see Dom M there.  Nothing against Dom
>personally, but please don't say "oh she deserved to be there" because she

9th in the World with a major bobble on beam and she "didnt deserve to be
there"?  Come on, if the 3 per country rule didnt exist she would have been
there, and if she had scored a 9.425 on her vault instead of a 9.200, she
would have qualified ahead of Strug anyway. The AA final is supposed to be
the Top 36 in the competition, but only 3 per team. Moceanu met the first
requirement, and with Strug injured, she had earned her place.

I think the problem many people have with Moceanu is all the hype and
publicity surrounding her has made it cool to not like her.  With Strug now
getting even more publicity will there be a backlash against her?


Date:    Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:03:56 EDT
From:    ***@JUNO.COM
Subject: Female training

Hi, I know that in China, there are special schools to train girls and
boys when they are only a little.

But what about in the us? Where do they get those little girls? and What
kind of system is that? a school? a temporary training center?



Date:    Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:12:47 EDT
From:    ***@JUNO.COM
Subject: the price

So can you tell us how much you spent on those two tickets?

Date:    Mon, 29 Jul 1996 19:23:44 -0400
From:    ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: From someone who was actually there...


Date:    Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:11:36 -0400
From:    ***@IC.AC.UK
Subject: O: MAG Vault EF Results

Olympic Games 1996

Atlanta, USA            19 July - 4 August, 1996

Apparatus Finals

Mens Vault

                                        First  Second  Average
 1. Alexei Nemov                (RUS)   9.762   9.812   9.787
 2. Yeo Hong-Chul               (KOR)   9.837   9.675   9.756
 3. Vitaly Scherbo              (BLR)   9.712   9.737   9.724
=4. Li Xiaoshuang               (CHN)   9.500   9.787   9.643
=4. Ivan Ivanov                 (BUL)   9.687   9.600   9.643
 6. Alexei Voropaev             (RUS)   9.637   9.600   9.618
 7. Igor Korobchinsky           (UKR)   9.637   9.500   9.568
 8. Ivan Pavlovski              (BLR)   9.612   9.375   9.493


Date:    Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:48:40 -0400
From:    ***@IC.AC.UK
Subject: O: WAG Beam EF Results

Olympic Games 1996

Atlanta, USA            19 July - 4 August, 1996

Apparatus Finals

Womens Beam

 1. Shannon Miller              (USA)   9.862
 2. Liliya Podkopayeva          (UKR)   9.825
 3. Gina Gogean                 (ROM)   9.787
 4. Dina Kochetkova             (RUS)   9.737
 5. Olga Teslenko               (UKR)   9.625
 6. Dominique Moceanu           (USA)   9.125
 7. Rozalia Galieva             (RUS)   9.112
 8. Alexandra Marinescu         (ROM)   8.462


Date:    Mon, 29 Jul 1996 22:38:07 -0400
From:    ***@IC.AC.UK
Subject: O: MAG Parallel Bars EF Results

Olympic Games 1996

Atlanta, USA            19 July - 4 August, 1996

Apparatus Finals

Mens Parallel Bars

 1. Rustam Sharipov             (UKR)   9.837
 2. Jair Lynch                  (USA)   9.825
 3. Vitaly Scherbo              (BLR)   9.800
=4. Zhang Jinjing               (CHN)   9.750
=4. Alexei Nemov                (RUS)   9.750
 6. Huang Liping                (CHN)   9.737
 7. Lee Joo-Hyung               (KOR)   9.687
 8. Sergei Kharkov              (RUS)   9.650


Date:    Mon, 29 Jul 1996 22:51:00 EDT
From:    ***@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Subject: Comments

I am so happy for Shannon Miller.  I'm glad she can leave these games
(and possible the sport) with a good feeling.  HOWEVER...

I was thoroghly disgusted with the reaction I heard when Roza feel on
her punch front.  I realize it is America, and I realize that most of
the crowd knew that Roza's error meant Shannon would win the gold medal,
and I realize that the crowd is mostly comprised of people who are not
gymnastics experts.  None of these facts can explain why there were
CHEERS when Roza fell.  I was so ashamed and very upset for Roza.  What
else can happen to her in these games?  It was pure disrespect from the
crowd to a wonderful gymnast.  I give her credit for remounting the beam
after such a reception.

Thank god for Dick Enberg.  As annoying as his commentary can be, he
"introduced" Podkopayeva to the world in his feature on her last night.
I can assure you that many people had no idea who she was, or that she
was even regarded as the best gymnast at the games.  It is funny that
Tesh and company never mentioned the fact that her grandmother had
died...that certainly is an important change in her life and makes her
victory all the more admirable.

About the lack of sportsmanship shown by the US women...  It is my
belief that after the 1991 World Championships many of the other teams,
namely Romania and the then-USSR, found a common ground in that they
were both "against" the advantage given to the Americans in the
competition.  So I can imagine that the gymnasts from other countries
aren't too eager to talk to the US girls; but I think that the US girls'
actions do not make it possible for other gymnasts to feel comfortable
congratulating them.  The US gymnasts are not the most inviting in terms
of warmth towards other nations.  The language is not a factor--I see
gymnasts who do not speak the same language communicate through body
language and facial expression at many competitions, and it is really
great to see it displayed so often in the USA.  I'm not sure what the
cause of the US women's "chilliness" towards other competitors is, but
it obviously exists.  (Although I do imagine Amanda and Jaycie would
prove this wrong were they in the event finals.)

For a long time, however, I have noticed that the US men are much more
cordial not only among one another but with other gymnasts as well.  Why
is there the difference among women and men of the same country?

Again, congratulations to all of the competitors at the Games.  We, as
members of the gymnastics community, must continue to strive to improve
the sport for future gymnasts and future members of our community.


End of GYMN-L Digest - 29 Jul 1996 to 30 Jul 1996