GYMN-L Digest - 29 Apr 1996 to 30 Apr 1996

There are 11 messages totalling 282 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. WAG: FX music and et al. (2)
  2. ABC Network Coverage of Worlds
  3. Dina Kotchekova / Liu's Bar
  4. Nadia Movie
  5. intro, Scherbo, etc..
  6. New Member
  7. Sheremeta's music
  8. Copy of Worlds coverage
  9. Nadia Movie/Intro.
 10. ausgym


Date:    Mon, 29 Apr 1996 19:42:32 -0400
From:    ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: Re: WAG: FX music and et al.

yes.....i thought the same thing...
i heard that music and thought of that routine..
and yes sheremeta looks a lot like pods...

watching gemma paz last night looked like me drinking a little too much
coffee.  god i thought she was never going to stop tumbling :)


> I had to ask this: Was the MUSIC that the Ukrainian gymnast used similar
> to Potorac's old chirpy bird music?
> BTW: When she stood to start the routine, I swear she looked like Pods.
> As for Milo, she just didn't look into it. Gogean looks 'into' her routine,
> and that Spanish gymnast's music was just to fast for me. The best routines,
> in my opinion have a broad selection of paces. Some fast, some slow, and
> the gymnast alters her movement with the music. It seemed to me that
> during those floor finals, the gymnasts were just doing skills and using the
> music as back ground.
> Jeff


Date:    Mon, 29 Apr 1996 15:12:52 -1000
Subject: Re: ABC Network Coverage of Worlds

> I agree with the previous postings on the absence of Alexandre
> Marinescu's balance beam routines at the '96 worlds. ABC has the
> worst gymnastics coverage of any network. They only showed about 25
> minutes of actually competition. The rest was commercials and fluff.

=09Actually I think ABC has done some great things with their
coverage in the past, but I must admit they went wrong in deciding to use
the same fluff pieces from Sabae, and in not including Maraniscu's beam
set.  I thought their coverage of the Sabae worlds was done fairly well
(in relation to the other big networks), with lots of routines and the
occasional fluff here or there.  I personally don't care for the fluff
stuff, but oh well.  I know CBS sports hardly ever shows gymnastics, and
NBC usually chops it to shreds (i.e. only showing the top three at
Nationals, or only showing the women.).  The best coverage I've seen so
far is from the smaller networks, and the best througly covered event
besides the Olympics I thought was TBS's coverage of the '94 Goodwill
Games.  Thorough meaning including many performances, and giving equal=20
coverage of the men and women.  =A880)


Date:    Mon, 29 Apr 1996 21:20:00 -0400
From:    ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Re: Dina Kotchekova / Liu's Bar

        This is what Liu Xuan did in her UB routine.  Straight body vault
mount over LB catch HB; kip cast HS; giant-full;giant-full to one-arm
giant, one-arm Gienger; shoot to sole cirlcle half turn glide on LB; kip
cast HS; free-hip to release straddle up to HB (what is the value of this
btw and is it named after Lu Li in the code?); kip cast HS; giant imm.
blind turn, front giant imm.pirouette, Tkatchev; kip cast HS; giant,
double layout dismount.
        Now if the giant full (even only one of them) got a D credit,
this should have a 10 SV even in compIII, correct?  I hope someone can
help.  From watching Liu's bar routine from previous meets (and live at
the Subway meet last year) I'd say that her giant full is almost always
right on top of the bar, one of the best I've seen.  I'd like to get an
opinion from an actual judge who will have a much better idea than I do.
Thanks in advance.


Date:    Mon, 29 Apr 1996 21:31:13 -0400
From:    ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Re: WAG: FX music and et al.

> I had to ask this: Was the MUSIC that the Ukrainian gymnast used similar
> to Potorac's old chirpy bird music?
        This was the same music that Elena Sasonenkova used at the 1989
World Championships.  It is similar to Potorac's old music, but it's not
the same music.  I believe Elena may have also used this music at the
1989 USA/USSR meet, but I don't have that on tape so I am going from
memory.  Can anyone else verify this?
        Personally, i thought Gogean had the best choreography in the
final, at least of what ABC showed us (Furnon was probably the best, but
ABC didn't think we deserved to see it).  The other routines seemed to
say to me "if we use really fast music and run around the floor at a
really fast pace no one will know that we can't dance."  I hope that Milo
gets a new floor routine fast, as it is a real shame that such a great
gymnast has such terrible choregraphy for her last competitive floor
routine.  I thought the Romanians would know better than to use American
music like that.  It certainly didn't work too well for Bontas in 1991....


Date:    Mon, 29 Apr 1996 21:33:09 -0500
From:    ***@CARLETON.EDU
Subject: Nadia Movie

It should be on video as I've rented it before.  I did rent it in Japan
from the American Club so it came originally from the US.  I think it was
just called Nadia.  I remember watching it in 1984 when it was on TV
right before the Olympics.  Thought it was the best movie I'd ever seen.
My opinion has changed with age, but not horrible.

>Also, I remember watching a TV movie about Nadia's life.  Does anyone
>remember what it's called, or where I can get it?  It was sometime in
>the early 80's.



Date:    Mon, 29 Apr 1996 23:00:37 -0400
From:    ***@CHELSEA.IOS.COM
Subject: intro, Scherbo, etc..

Hi guys!

My name is Courtney and I am a 17 year-old HS senior in Houston,
Texas. I will be enrolling at the University of Iowa this fall, and can't
wait to go to my first college gymn meet!! (GO HAWKS!!!) I am not a
gymnast myself (was a figure skater for years), but have found a great
fascination with the sport. I do not have the knowledge of the sport like
many of you have and therefore am fairly quiet on this list. I *am*
learning though and loving every minute of it!

Now a quick question...
In the coverage last weekend of the Worlds the commentators kept
mentioning Scherbo's new record for golds/medals at world/Olympic
competition. So my question is..who previously held this record and when
was it set? The commentators were driving me crazy mentioning the old
record, but never who set it!
and one last question... Does anybody have a copy of the Worlds from this
past weekend that I could pay to copy?? I was out of town for the weekend
and my parents forgot to tape it!!!!! AAHHH!! Any responses would be
greatly appreciated!! Thanx!



Date:    Mon, 29 Apr 1996 23:05:21 -0500
From:    ***@DELPHI.COM
Subject: New Member

Hi everyone!  I was asked to send an introduction about myself,
so here it is.  I have been involved in the sport since 1971,
competing for 13 years, ending as an elite gymnast.  I owned
and operated Gymnastics World in Colorado Springs from '79 to
'83, in which the Foresters now own and call it Colorado
Aeirals.  I have been coaching since 1974 up to the current and
I also have been judging for 6 years and have a level 9 rating,
soon to be a 10.  I live in Northern California.  I look
forward to finding out what this forum is all about.  Nice to
meet all of you.



Date:    Mon, 29 Apr 1996 23:20:00 EDT
From:    ***@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Subject: Sheremeta's music

Sheremeta's music was used by Sazonenkova, Potorac, and Amanda Uhreck,
one of Karoyi's gymnasts who competed at the '89 Olympic Festival
(Zmeskal's coming out party).  She looked amazingly similar to
Podkopayeva, in every aspect.  Her dance was almost exactly the same,
tumbling techniques the same, leotard the same, and hair styled the
same.  I'm embarrassed to say this but I couldn't figure out if it was
Sheremeta or Podkopayeva until ABC showed a close-up of her face.  Oh
well...and I do agree that Gogean deserved the gold all to herself.  I
imagine that the Chinese have the ability to dance beautifully if they
used nice music...maybe we'll see some in Atlanta.  Talk to y'all later!



Date:    Mon, 29 Apr 1996 23:56:25 -0400
From:    ***@CORNELL.EDU
Subject: Copy of Worlds coverage

        Anybody willing to make and send me a copy of the ABC Worlds
coverage from Saturday?  For that matter, what WAS shown on the 27th, exactly?


Date:    Tue, 30 Apr 1996 01:06:46 -0400
From:    ***@AIX1.UOTTAWA.CA
Subject: Re: Nadia Movie/Intro.

>Also, I remember watching a TV movie about Nadia's life.  Does anyone
>remember what it's called?

I'd love to know the name of this movie too.  About a year ago I rented
"Little Miss Perfect", which I thought was it, but it was more about Nadia
putting on weight, being left to herself most of the time, and about Bela.
It wasn't even worth renting....

While I'm here, quick introduction.  I've been on the list since September
when I took on running the gymnastics program at the YM/YWCA here in
Ottawa.  I hadn't coached for about 5 years and I haven't done gymnastics
for 11 (I quit when I was *old* at 19!!) and felt like a piece of me was

I ran the YM/YWCA team in Guelph (my hometown for those familiar with
Southern Ontario!!) and some board of education programs.  I've enjoyed
coaching here in Ottawa but have found that between that, lecturing at
Ottawa U. and finishing up my PhD it's a bit too much work.  I have really
enjoyed the list (except for the flame wars when I almost unsubscribed)
and the information that I've received from it.


Date:    Tue, 30 Apr 1996 18:25:40 +1000
From:    ***@OZEMAIL.COM.AU
Subject: ausgym

The Australian Gymnastics Federation has finally gotten its act together and
organised a home page on the WWW.

Although no data is available yet, the address should be :

you can also email the AGF on :

The person I spoke to from AGF said they had provided the data to the
Australian Sports Commission two weeks ago, but obviously it hasn't been
FTPed to the server yet.



End of GYMN-L Digest - 29 Apr 1996 to 30 Apr 1996