GYMN-L Digest - 28 Jan 1996 to 29 Jan 1996

There are 15 messages totalling 394 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. 1997 World Championships (2)
  2. Reese's
  3. Jennie Thompson
  4. Reese's Cup Live
  5. '97 Worlds Site (was Re: THE NEW CODE)
  6. Saved by the Bell
  7. KIMZ (2)
  8. bonus
  9. Jiminy crickets!
 10. Olympic Coach
 11. Nelli Kim--1980 Olympics (2)
 12. Ice Skating Interrupted


Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 09:40:00 PST
From:    ***@PORT.ISLAND.NET
Subject: 1997 World Championships

The 1997 World Championships will take place in Lausanne, Switzerland (the
home of the International Olympic Committee) on August 31 to September 7.
The new 6-5-4 team size and format will be used and, of course, no compulsories.

The tentative schedule is:
        Aug. 31        Opening Ceremony
        Sept. 1&2    Men's and Women's Competition I (1/2 each day)
        Sept. 3         Men's Competition II
        Sept. 4         Women's Competition II
        Sept. 5         Men's and Women's Competition III (1st half)
        Sept. 6         Men's and Women's Competition III (2nd half)
        Sept. 7         Men's and Women's Competition IV (top 6 team final)


Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 12:56:08 -0500
Subject: Reese's

Would someone who attended the Reese's Cup Invitational please give us an
update?  Thanks!



Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 12:57:51 -0500
From:    ***@GNATNET.NET
Subject: Re: Jennie Thompson

> Hi!  My son has been looking at event results, and has a question.  Jennie
> Thompson did really well at the 1994 Nationals, but then she wasn't at
> worlds, or the 1995 Nationals.  What happened to her?
> MegThere was an interview with Jennie in the January IG.  Unfortunately, I
seem to have misplaced that issue. {:-< However, the jist of the
interview was that she had moved back to Karolyi's because her brother
was miserable in Oklahoma.  She then moved back to Dynamo because she
was happier at Dynamo.  At the time of the interview, her ankle was in a
cast, but she was planning to get back into international competition in
the European circuit (DTB, Swiss, Arthur Gander).  That didn't happen,
but I'm assuming that she is still training for Atlanta.


Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 13:36:00 -0600
Subject: Re: 1997 World Championships

I guess I don't understand something. If this is WORLD's is there going to
be an AA or is it just team like Dortmund? When will the next AA and EF worlds
be held?



Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 13:59:58 EST
From:    ***@PRODIGY.COM
Subject: Reese's Cup Live

I would like to congratulate Rachele (sp?) on a terrific job
last night on Delphi.
She was at the Reese's Cup with her lap top commentating and giving
us the blow by blow of what was going on - as it was happening!   She
managed to give us scores, tell us the routines, commentate and
answer our questions - all at the same time!!    She gave us the feel
that we were almost there.

Results:  (I'm sure that Rachele will give a more comprehensive
report if she hasn't already)

WOMEN:   (only competed bars beam and floor)

1) Boguinskaya
2) Kristi Phillips
3) Brandy Johnson

1) Kristi Phillips (PERFECT SCORE!!)  Did roundoff layout mount
2) Wendy Bruce
3) Boguinskaya

1) Hope Spivey Sheeley (PERFECT SCORE)
2) Brandy Johnson
3) Missy Marlowe

1) Kristie Phillips
2) Brandy Johnson
3) Missy Marlowe

MEN:  (only competed floor, rings and horizontal bar)

1) John Roethlesberger
2) Bill Roth
3) Dimitri Bilozerchev

1) Paul O'Neil (of course)
2) Bilozerchev
3) Roethlesberger

1) Chris Waller (PERFECT SCORE)
2) Maranich
3) Roethlesberger

1) Bilozerchev
2) Roethlesberger
3) Waller

There was prize money given on each event (not sure about all-
1st - $2500               2nd - $1500             3rd - $500

Some of the judges were celebrity judges:
Kim Zmeskal, Kathy Johnson, Kathy's husband (an actor), Kurt Thomas

The first 3 judges didn't have any favorites did they? (Kritie, Bogi
and Brandy have all trained at Bela's)

There was also some exhibitions by Rythmic gymnasts.

Once again - GREAT JOB RACHELE!!



Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 14:05:17 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: '97 Worlds Site (was Re: THE NEW CODE)

>Does anyone know the site of the 1997 Worlds? I know this came up

The 1997 World Championships will be held in Lausanne, Switzerland.

The site for the following -- 1999 -- Worlds has yet to be choosen but
Budapest, Hungary, Paris, France, and Indianapolis, USA are some of the
cities making bids.



Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 14:41:48 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Saved by the Bell

Fellow gymners,

  I am watching the NBC show saved by the bell, and the show is about saving
the gymnastics team...that works our in really nice leotards, doing things
like cartwheels on the beam, with the crowd going wild...she just got a 9.5
for her stuck roundoff dismount.  It seems like it is things like this that
explain America's wrong stereotypes for gymnastics


Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 20:15:12 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: KIMZ

Where did you hear that rumor about kim Z's not going to try for Atlanta?

A big Kim Zmeskal fan,


Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 19:17:46 -0600
Subject: Re: KIMZ

Is there someone out there who can substantiate this? Since we've had
at least two or three people ask or post? Susan? I know you work at
IG...can you answer this?


Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 21:31:49 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: bonus

In a message dated 96-01-28 06:33:11 EST, you write:
Hi Myra,
>One is Principle #12.5.2 which involves connections of two or more of the
>following elements:  free aerial walkover or cartwheel, forward or sideward
>acrobatic element with hand support, and forward or sideward salto.  Note:
>round off is considered to be a sideward element.  This principle ONLY
>involves forward or sideward elements.  Some examples would be;  Cartwheel
>(A) +Aerial Cartwheel(C) for .1 in bonus, Front walkover(A) + Front salto
>with 1 foot take-off(C) for .1 bonus, front aerial (C) + Front handspring(B)
>for .1 bonus.  A Round-off(B)  + a Front Salto with two foot take off(D)
>would be eligible for .2 bonus for Level 10s.  Note Level 9's cannot receive
>bonus for D skills.  A  D skill, however, can count as a C skill for bonus
>connection purposes.(Level 9)
>Principle #12.5.3 involves connections of two flight acrobatic elements with
>directional change in one element (turn can be in either element) or with
>counter element execution. A directional change is defined as long axis turn
>of 180, 540, 900 degrees and continuation along the same line.  Note that a
>round-off is NOT considered to have directional change in the above
>Some examples of the following principle would be;  Front salto with one
>take off(C) + Salto Back Tuck (B) for .1 in bonus, Back handspring (b) +
>handspring with 1/2 turn (C) for .1 in bonus.

>I realize these rules seem very confusing.  For more information with
>excellent examples consult the," USAG Technical Handbook for Coaches and
>Judges  1993 - 1997, pages 70 through 72."

Well I did just that and mailed Adriana back privately. So now I must
publicly admit my error. I ran through my handbook last night and you are
indeed right.  I had been told by someone at a code of points clinic that
certain sideways skills leading into backward skills of C or better value
would receive bonus. I have corrected my interpretation after re-reading my
book. Thank you though.


Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 21:41:51 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Jiminy crickets!

In a message dated 96-01-28 06:33:11 EST, you write:
Dear Jeff,

>Personally, I wish that the FIG would allow spectators to SHOOT ON SITE any
>gymnast who STANDS on the low bar and then jumps with regrap
>to the high bar. That move seems so cheap.

I know that some of the teeny tiny gymnasts that I have coached over the
years would probably resent that comment. I do agree that it is a very easy
way to get from one bar to the other, and that creative transition moves are
few and far between these days. I would love to see more creativity here from
our elite athletes. But this comment I fear is way too hostile for me to just
let go by. My beginning level and intermediate level optional gymnasts do
that move only for two reasons: 1. They have not developed the stamina
necessary yet to do more and (2) They are really short in many cases and have
difficulty getting to the high bar from a jam or hecht as yet. Most of my
kids work a bit wider than the FIG spread that is allowed. So allow them to
learn and work up to those levels of difficulty without the spectre of a gun
toting spectator taking aim at them. As for elite athletes, again I agree,
but please, this is sport after all.

PS: Jeff This is not intended as a flame. I'm just concerned. Perhaps you
could voice your concern about cheap moves without advocating the execution
of our athletes.


Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 21:48:04 -0500
From:    ***@CHELSEA.IOS.COM
Subject: Re: Olympic Coach

> - Rumor has it that Kim Zmeskal has given up her bid for '96 and has
> only been training 2 events for a while now to prepare for the
> professional meets and exhibitions.
> So he will probably have 2 athletes on the team that he has coached
> for a short time.

There was an article in the Houston Chronicle today about Bela and his
'96 hopefulls. There has been a rumor that Kim didn't even train this
past week and his response was printed. He said that she has been
experiencing some soreness lately and they felt she should slow down.
That's what she's doing. He also said she's not in Olympic form yet, but
not to count her out because there's still time. The writer of the
article predicts Kim won't be in Atlanta though. That's merely his
opinion, we'll see....

As far as the talk about Bogi and training athletes that represent
different countries goes he likes the idea. He says it allows Kerri, Dom,
and Kim to see what the "others" are competing and the same for Bogi.
It's kind of a  "checks-and-balances situation".

We'll see how it comes out...



Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 21:29:52 CST
From:    ***@MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU
Subject: Nelli Kim--1980 Olympics

I got to judge with Nelli Kim today at a local meet :) :) :)
We got her talking during the break time, and thought I'd share this
story.  I commented to her that we here in the U.S. don't know too much
about the 1980 Olympics due to the boycott.

She said she didn't place in the all-around there (was 5th) because during
the all-around competition, she looked up just before her last tumbling
pass and saw Nadia falling off the bars.  It apparently shook Nelli a
little, and she fell on the last pass.  She did, however, win the gold
medal on floor in the event finals.

Nelli has been talking with Minot Simons about his second book.  (She'll be
in it of course, so he interviewed her.  She said, "he knows more about me
than I know about myself!")  Anyhow, run, put out the money and buy "The
History of Gymnastics" which has been mentioned here in the forum
previously.  It's an awesome book, and I can hardly wait for the next in
the series.  Ultimately there will be 4 books as I understand.  The first
book is for 1966-1974 and so includes the 1968 Olympics (Vera Cheslavka's)
and 1972 Olympics (Ludmilla Tourisheva, Olga Korbut).

!  (for the non-judges, that is the symbol for handstand)


Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 21:29:04 -0600
From:    ***@SCOTT.NET
Subject: Ice Skating Interrupted

Oh I could scream at ESPN.... I was enjoying a evening of ice skating on ESPN
The Legends... it was great....and what do they the middle of the
broadcast the break for a special ESPN broadcast which interupts and they do not
intend to go back to the ice was bringing the results of the Super
Bowl and interviews....who cares.....if I wanted to watch it I would have put my
TV on a channel which is was broadcasted....

Thanks for letting me get that off my chest



Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 23:48:25 -0500
From:    ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Re: Nelli Kim--1980 Olympics

> She said she didn't place in the all-around there (was 5th) because during
> the all-around competition, she looked up just before her last tumbling
> pass and saw Nadia falling off the bars.  It apparently shook Nelli a
> little, and she fell on the last pass.  She did, however, win the gold
> medal on floor in the event finals.
  I thought Nadia's fall on UB was in prelims?  If so, Nelli wouldn't
have made EF on FX, if she fell in prelims too.  Please correct me if I'm


End of GYMN-L Digest - 28 Jan 1996 to 29 Jan 1996