GYMN-L Digest - 27 Sep 1995 to 28 Sep 1995

There are 13 messages totalling 374 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Gymnastics in media (2)
  2. Worlds TV Schedule
  3. October IG magazine
  4. Club Operations
  5. pre-Worlds thoughts (2)
  6. Rons shattered dream
  7. searching for motss gymnasts
  8. Famous GYM people
  9. Oops
 10. Worlds predictions
 11. More on int'l judging


Date:    Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:46:25 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Gymnastics in media

>>Anyone know of a time when a child on a television show was depicted as
>>being a gymnast? A movie? (Other than American Anthem).

I don't remember the name of this TV movie, but it was about four kids
(different families) whose parents were all divorcing/divorced.  Lance Kerwin
and Kim Fields were both in the movie, so it must have been early 80's.   I
remember (vaguely) a scene in which Kim's character was performing on the
beam.  I think the thrust of her part of the movie was that her family
situation so upset her that she couldn't concentrate on her routines and
wound up getting injured in a fall off the beam.


Date:    Thu, 28 Sep 1995 01:24:55 -0400
Subject: Worlds TV Schedule

I know there are two different air times for the ABC worlds broadcast.
Does anyone know which parts of the competition they will show on which days?


Date:    Thu, 28 Sep 1995 08:23:54 BST
Subject: Re: October IG magazine

>Anyway to All other recipients What is the chance of finding out any
>address of any Gymnastic Magazines printed in ENGLISH world wide.
>At present I subscribe to 3 Magazines.  That is IG, FIG and Aust Gymnast.
>Are there any other Gym Magazines published world wide!
>If so could anyone advise Name, Sub Address and Cost in their local currenc=
>many thanks gymnasts,


We have the  "  Gymnast " magazine, the official journal of the BAGA.

=46or world wide subscription contact :

World  Wide Subscriptions,
Unit 4
Gibbs Reed Farm,
Pashley Road,
East Sussex  TN5  7HE

Telephone 01580 200657.

The magazine is published bi-monthly and costs =A31.50 in the UK.



Date:    Thu, 28 Sep 1995 07:57:10 -0400
Subject: Club Operations

  The Ontario Gymnastics Federation (The OGF) is currently looking for
  microcomputer software suitable for registration and tracking of its
  membership, both for The OGF and for use within its 150 member clubs.
  Capabilities of interest would include:

  Registration of competitors by level
  Registration of recreational members
  Registration of coaches, judges, and other supporters

  Registration via modem (or other on-line)
  Bulletin board capability
  Fax on demand
  Associated reports

  Registration of all members by level and function
  Club management
  Communication with the Federation by modem

  If anyone with experience in this field has any comments, recommendations, or
  proposals, they would be appreciated. I can be reached by replying to the
  sender, or by snail mail to:


Date:    Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:31:05 -0400
From:    ***@ZEUS.TOWSON.EDU
Subject: Re: pre-Worlds thoughts

        I just wanted to put my thoughts in about the upcoming Sabae Worlds.
In the team competition, I believe Romania will lead the pack and will
be very hard to beat.  Behind them is very hard to guess.  Russia and
China will be very hard to beat.  As for America, they should not be
counted out.  It will be harder with all of the injuries and replacements.
        In the All-Around, I think we all will be in for a treat.  Without
a dominant figure like Shannon Miller, it will be a great night.  I think
the following should have an impact:
        Romania- Milo, Gogean, and Marenescu(sp.)
        Russia-  Khorkina, or any of other top 4
        China-   Mo Huilan, or an unknown
        United States- Miller, Moceanu, and possibly Kerri Strug
** There are others gymnasts from the Ukraine, Belarus, etc. who of
course will be factors.  This list is a short and an uncomplete list.

That's all for now.  If anybody else wants to make formal predictions,
I will risk being totally wrong and predict also.

        See ya,
        Mikester Bee


Date:    Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:40:12 -0700
From:    ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: Re: Gymnastics in media

In the movie TROOP BEVERLY HILLS they daughter is a gymnast and has a
balance beam in her house and there are scenes where she is working out
on it. Also, in the backround there is an IG poster on the wall :)

Margi and Mardi :)


Date:    Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:18:45 -0700
From:    ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: Rons shattered dream

I found Ron's post to be the most moving peice I ever read of his.
I recall the story of the athlete he described.
I remember the photo in question.

Eastern Bloc used to do things like that at Olympics, if you blew it,
you got sent home early.

Major differences of opinion with Ron have adversely affected my feelings
towards Ron, and now I feel so sad for his plight.
Kinda brings us closer is a WIERD way.

Ron's plight is mildly parallel to a political battle I am having elsewhere on
the net.
In my life in reality.
What do you say when a dream dies?
There is NOTHING to say.
Nothing can be said to ease the pain.
I just hope he can find a way to trade tix for what he wants.

Well Ron there are only 2 possibilities for what to do,
#1 go sulk
#2 chalk up and get back on
Hopefully you will go with the latter.

OK, so its a tad off topic, but i kinda owe the guy after some of the barbs
I threw at him in the past.
(Sad subject, but good writing!)
I hit him with in the past


Date:    Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:25:01 -0700
From:    ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: searching for motss gymnasts

If it looks cryptic, its supposed to be that way.

Seeking MOTSS or lgb gymnastics folk interested in adding gymnastics
to 98 games in Amsterdam.

Reply to:


Well deal with this issue "offline".



Date:    Thu, 28 Sep 1995 19:18:08 -0400
From:    ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: Re: pre-Worlds thoughts

I agree with Mike that the ROM women will be hard to beat.  RUS, CHN, =
and possibly UKR could place ahead of the USA's weakened team.  If BLR =
has Boginskaya, they could also be a factor.  As for the AA, I think =
that Milosovici or Amanar might have a shot at the title (although I =
shudder at the thought), along with Khorkina, Miller or Podkopayeva (if =
she can go 4 for 4).  As good as they might be, I don't really think =
that Marinescu or Moceanu will be true contenders this year.  I'd like =
to see Khorkina win, since I think she's got the best combination of =
grace, originality and artistry.

Debbie :-)


Date:    Thu, 28 Sep 1995 20:18:05 -0400
From:    ***@YALE.EDU
Subject: Re: Famous GYM people

> > my next question about judges is there demographic
> >composition.Do the judges who work at the BIG meets (OG, WC) come
> >from all the members of the FIG or is it just those judges with
> >gymnasts from their country competing? This is something which I
> >never knew. I know that there are lost fo judges from the
> >big powers in gymnastics, but what about the chances for a judge
> >from a lesser power, like Peru, working at the Olympics?
> As you can believe the WTC of the FIG has just as elaborate rules for who
> judges what.  At the WC all the federations sends judges and the use a double
> hat draw to decide who judges what event and in what position.  I believe
> that that is also what they do for the OG.  The number of judges per country
> changes for each competition and if it's still the same for Comp III no judge
> from countries with competitors are allowed.  One may think that this is
> good, but do you really want a judge from Peru judging event finals at the
Wr> Olympic Games with the very best in gymnastics and all her
experiences are > from Peru.

It's simply not true that a judge from a country such as Peru will have
experience only in Peru.  Judges often travel to meets outside their
country with their country, and even whether their country is
competing or not.  In women's, to judge at Worlds and Olympics you have
to have been a brevet judge for a certain number of years and have
judged a certain number of international competitions.  Specifically,
the lowest level is Category III, at which level you can judge "team
competitions", "international tournaments", and "regional competitions"
-- basically your average, dinky dual meet or invite, plus stuff like
Central American-Caribbean Games.  To move up to Category II, you have
to have judged two international meets.  As a Category II, you can judge
at Continental and Intercontinental meets as well as Worlds.  To move up
to Category I, you have to have been Cat. II for 4 years and have judged
SA".>6FZm9DFznOlympics.  To
FxSkh)<si9go HgvHfrom Cat. I to Expert, you have to be Cat. I for 4 years
and have
judged 6 international meets, including two FIG Competitions.  As an
Expert, you can judge anywhere, act as Expert judge at FIG meets, and
lead judges' courses.

Wherever the judge is from, if she's judging at the Olympics, she's been
judging for quite a few years and has considerable experience.

I might add that IMO, the Olympics is the easiest meet to judge (from a
technical, not a political standpoint) because the level of the gymnasts
is so high.  It's much harder to judge gymnasts who make a lot of DSUi0g
:) Adriana


Date:    Thu, 28 Sep 1995 20:24:25 -0400
From:    ***@YALE.EDU
Subject: Oops

Looks like my last message got chewed up.  Anyway, I think you get the
point.  I don't have time to fix it up now, but maybe I will later.  It
looks like the only important fact that's missing is that you can judge
the Olympics only if you're a Cat. I or Expert.



Date:    Thu, 28 Sep 1995 19:28:23 -0500
Subject: Worlds predictions

Date sent:  28-SEP-1995 19:21:33

Why is everyone having such a fit about the US women not medaling?
I will agree that they have probably no shot at the gold, but I think
they have complusories strong enough to contend for the silver. Really, I
have a gut feeling that complusories will decide the competiion in
Sabae. And, with the 7-6-5 rule, the US is going to be fine. I agree
the shot at the gold is lost, but silver or bronze is reasonable. The group
needs to foucs on doing their best, not medaling. I mean, look at Dortmund
last year. Look at what so-called "inexperience" can do. :)

All-around predictions? I want to see the US Trials first. I don't think
Moceanu can expect to do too much better than 7th or 8th, because I
think the international judges will be beating up her form on beam and
bars. But, if Miller is as on as she was at trials (supposedly) I think
she will contend for the gold. Also, I expect Strug is going to have the
meet of her life, and if she does, I would expect her to be close to
the all-around medals. Khorkina could win, but she's going to have tough
competition from Miller Milosovici Strug and Podkopayeva. Someone said
they wanted to see a prediction, and I've been playing with numbers, so
here we go:

1)Shannon Miller
2)Svetlana Khorkina
3)Lavinia Milosovici
4)Kerri Strug
5)Lilia Podkopayeva
6)Gina Gogean
7)Dominique Moceanu
8)Dina Kochetkova

If you disagree, sue me. :) And make your own prediction. :)


Date:    Thu, 28 Sep 1995 20:58:56 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: More on int'l judging

I would think that judges from a non-gymnastics "power" would be preferred at
the larger meets to promote more neutrality.

Also, I recall that Jackie Fie of the USA (now WTC president) was invited to
judge at the European Championships in the seventies as a "neutral" judge.



End of GYMN-L Digest - 27 Sep 1995 to 28 Sep 1995