GYMN-L Digest - 27 Jun 1996 to 28 Jun 1996

There are 18 messages totalling 467 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Whipbacks...
  2. Nadia (4)
  3. The Drinking Game
  4. Two books on Dominique M.
  5. GYMN-L Digest - 26 Jun 1996 to 27 Jun 1996
  6. Results of RSG Olympic Trials
  7. US Olympic Trials - RSG final
  8. Jair Lynch Home Page
  9. Newspaper articles on gymnasts
 10. Needed:  Used Mini Tramp
 11. spoiler: US men's compulsories (partial)
 12. Seneca's site
 13. Olympic Gymnastics Tickets
 14. ap re men's results (spoiler)
 15. Stress fractures


Date:    Thu, 27 Jun 1996 08:17:37 EST
From:    ***@MMC.MARYMT.EDU
Subject: Whipbacks...

Hey gang,

I was wondering if someone could help me.  I'm just starting to get
back in the gym again and I have been having a problem with a
tumbling pass that used to come easy to me.  I can't seem to do whip
to full any more.  I'm supposed to go RO, BH, WB, BH, full.  For some
reason, once I finish my WB I can't do the second BH.  I feel like
i'm planted in the floor...I have no momentum (sp) left.  I don't
know what to do.  It's really upsetting...this is a pass that I used
to compete.  I'm trying to take into consideration that I haven't
worked out in a year, but to lose a WB??????  Anyway, if someone
could help me it would be greatly appreciated.

Nikki =]


Date:    Thu, 27 Jun 1996 05:29:21 -0700
From:    ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: Re: Nadia

Garlfar wrote:

> When I heard that post about Nadia Comeneci being rude and dismissive
> towards her adoring fans in whatever mall that was, I WAS NOT SURPRISED ONE
> IOTA!!!!!


> And now this woman blows off a crowd in another city? I am so SICK of these
> professional athletes. And these big headed celebrities. SICK OF THEM. Who

Get a grip, Garlfar. :-) I went to 3 of Comaneci's NYC appearances
(Bloomingdale's in 1993, Lord & Taylor in May, and Macy's last week) and
at no time was she "rude and dismissive."  Quite the contrary; she
stayed and signed autographs for every person in line and chatted with
each person, as well.  IMHO, she's quite down to earth and friendly.

<remainder of rant snipped>



Date:    Thu, 27 Jun 1996 08:40:51 -0400
From:    ***@ICAN.CA
Subject: Re: The Drinking Game

While re-wathing my tape of the Canadian Olympic trials, I noticed that the
announcer, whom I'm fairly sure was Carol Orchard, kept saying "Now this
routine is physically demanding."  She said that about basically all the
routines. It was so annoying.
Aren't all routines fairly physically demanding?



Date:    Thu, 27 Jun 1996 08:34:51 -0500
From:    ***@PRODIGY.COM
Subject: Two books on Dominique M.

There are two books on Dominique Moceanu.  One is a lighthearted
children's book which is called Dominique Moceanu:  An American
Champion.  It is written by Dominique and Steve Woodward.  It mainly
discusses her 1995 U.S. Championship victory.  The book is
interesting if you don't know a lot about her or the sport.  I (and I
know of several others) was disappointed with the book.  It seems
like a media fluff piece that capitalizes on the pre-Olympic hype.
There were several errors and inconsistencies in it, which left me
wondering if Dominique and/or her parents reviewed the final copy.
This book is available now.

The other book is titled Dominique Moceanu:  A Gymnastics Sensation.
It is written by Krista Quiner.  The book is a in-depth look at her
life in chronological order.  The overall theme is positive, but it
also discusses some controversial issues.  Over twenty people have
been interviewed for the book, including:  Kim Zmeskal, Betty Okino,
Kerri Strug, Jennie Thompson, and many of Dominique's teammates and
coaches from her previous gym.  To date, Dominique has not been
interviewed for the book.  She may not be able to because of a
contract with Bantam, the publisher of the other book.  This book,
published by the Bradford Book Company, is due out in November and
will cover the Olympics.


Date:    Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:15:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Nadia

Galfar wrote:

>I should have kicked Steve Nunno's behind....

I would have loved to see what happened to you after you tried *that*!

>(Re: James Brown) The godfather of soul, a kind human being.

You mean the same guy that beat his wife??  Choice role model.



Date:    Thu, 27 Jun 1996 08:22:08 +0200
From:    ***@MERCUR.USAO.EDU
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 26 Jun 1996 to 27 Jun 1996

it really upsets me when people dumps on gymnastics, and today i just
read one such dump.
i have a good experence to tell you about gymnastics.
i was in a mall in norman,  and i thought i saw achache and szabo formaly
of the romanian olympic team.
i tried to act nonchalant, but pointed them out to my husband, who quite
loudly almost yelled. what would romanians be doing in oklahoma! that
cant' be ekatrina szabo
one of the woman walked up to my husband, and said yes i am.
szabo was in oklahoma visiting achache, who at the time was working for
nadia's gym.
we walked out into the mall with them, and had a good talk.
then achache asked me didn't i want their autographs?
so i had my husband run out to my car, and get a  gymnastic book. and
they autographed it.
they were very nice.
i also went to the 1979 worlds with my local gym team, and we got to meet
some of the competors. esp, the british and other lesser known
countries. and they signed our program books and posed for photos.
yes, someone might not show up for something, but have you ever thought
there was a comunications problem? perhaps they where told the wrong time
to show up, or they called someone to tell them they wheren't comming,
and that information never got passed on.


Date:    Thu, 27 Jun 1996 08:03:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Nadia


I'd like to tell you a story about a pot and a kettle...

>What I want to know is, why do some people involved gymnastics seem to be
>the most hateful, vindicative, selfish, greedy, insensitive, closed-minded,
>heartless people on the planet earth?



Date:    Thu, 27 Jun 1996 07:41:13 -0700
From:    ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: Re: Nadia

Garlfar Andrews wrote:

> This mess on the USA gymnastics
> WWW page about e-mailing "your favorite" gymnast is an obscene joke. Even
> they know that all of the "letters" will be dumped by the file server at
> whatever internet provider all of this stuff is supposed to be on.

Not true, Mihai has received several letters from his friends, family, and fans.

The person who is running that program is Rachele of this very forum, she also
happens to be the Webmaster of USA Gymnastics Online.  If you knew her, you'd know she
would *never* setup a program that would lead anyone on.  The mail is going
directly to her and she delivers it.

So all of you who have written to your favorite athlete, or friend competing,
Rest assured they received the note.

Kris...dialing in from Boston.


Date:    Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:07:18 -0700
Subject: Results of RSG Olympic Trials

Does anyone have the results of the Rhythmic Olympic Trials?  I would like
to know how all 8 finished?

Thank you



Date:    Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:38:07 +0000
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: US Olympic Trials - RSG final

    Name                                       Rope  Ball Clubs Ribbon     AA

  1 Jessica Davis    Gymmarin Pacific         9.350 9.500 9.450  8.550 36.850
                                              9.450 9.550 9.525  9.525 38.050

 2* Natalie Lacuesta Rhythmic Gems            0.000 0.000 0.000  0.000 35.981
                                              0.000 0.000 0.000  0.000 35.981

  3 Tina Tharp       Int'l Rhythmic Gym.      8.975 8.500 8.975  9.300 35.750
                                              9.075 9.075 9.050  8.925 36.125

  4 Lauri Illy       Rhythmic Gems            8.975 8.800 8.500  9.100 35.375
                                              9.175 8.975 8.875  8.825 35.850

  5 Alicia Albe      Rhythmflex Gym.          8.900 8.900 8.950  9.000 35.750
                                              8.800 8.350 8.975  9.050 35.175

  6 Liriel Higa      California Acad. of RSG  8.750 8.975 8.700  8.850 35.275
                                              8.750 8.800 8.750  8.875 35.175

  7 Meaghan Muller   Atlanta Int'l Gym. Ctr   8.750 8.150 8.650  8.675 34.225
                                              8.625 8.800 8.750  8.750 34.925

  8 Sasha Chernenko  California Acad. of RSG  8.500 8.600 8.400  8.650 34.150
                                              8.475 8.650 8.350  8.650 34.125

* Non-competing athlete-Scores carried from Day 2 of the 1996 U.S. Rhythmic
National Championships.


The following athletes were named to the U.S. Olympic Rhythmic Group team.

      Aliane Baquerot
      Mandy James
      Kate Nelson
      Brandi Siegel
      Challen Sievers
      Becky Turner

# # #


Date:    Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:53:51 -0700
Subject: Jair Lynch Home Page

I have set up a homepage for Jair Lynch, who is competing at the Olympic
Trials. Please stop by and, if you have time, let me know what you think of
it.  (Be sure to use my mail link, not Jair's, for this purpose.)  The
location is:


Date:    Thu, 27 Jun 1996 17:49:47 -0500
From:    ***@SCOTT.NET
Subject: Re: Newspaper articles on gymnasts


    Please send me a copy....

Thanks a milion....


Date:    Thu, 27 Jun 1996 23:40:44 GMT
From:    ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: Needed:  Used Mini Tramp

Does anyone have a used mini tramp or other equipment that you are
interested in selling?  Please email me privately!


Date:    Fri, 28 Jun 1996 00:22:59 -0400
From:    ***@EROLS.COM
Subject: spoiler: US men's compulsories (partial)

I haven't been able to get results via usag or gymn for some reason -- can't
get on -- but I found a short reuter's piece on nando's sportserver and
thought that others might be having the same problem and could use the update
(below).  None of the other sources (espn and its ilk; the various olympic
gymn pages) seemed to have anything yet.



Results (apparently taking into account (I'm assuming reuters has this right)
that nationals are to be counted 40% and trials scores 60%, so that today's
compulsories would amount to 30% of the score?  (unless, as with women,
there's also a skew for compulsories):

1.  John Roethlisberger 160.683
2.  Blaine Wilson       159.460 (fall on PH)
3.  John McReady        156.999
4.  Jair Lynch          156.044 (6 for 6 to jump from 8th to 4th)
5.  Kip Simons          155.710

The only other info was tht Scott Keswick had a terrible time on PH to score
8.15, the lowest score in the meet, but reuters did not indicate what
this did to his place in the standings, and did not provide any info on
any other gymnast outside the top 5.  The article is presently at

If the article is gone, you might try and
then click on "hot off the wires" or "other sports".



Date:    Fri, 28 Jun 1996 00:27:02 -0400
Subject: Seneca's site

Both our mail servers quit on us without notifying anybody - we've
lost about a week's worth of mail here. If you've written the Seneca
- North York site lately, please resend to:
or use the mailers at our web site:
and check out our new pages while you're there!



Date:    Fri, 28 Jun 1996 00:37:53 -0400
From:    ***@TIAC.NET
Subject: Olympic Gymnastics Tickets

If you are going to the Olympics and would like to pick up extra tickets, I
have these for sale at cost.  Although tickets are still available for
these sessions, they are NOT available at this price level:

7/22    12:30-2:50 PM   Men's Gymnastics, Team Optionals        $27

7/22    4:30-7:15 PM    Men's Gymnastics, Team Optional Finals  $80

7/23    12:30-2:30 PM   Weightlifting, 70kg, Group B            $22

7/24    9:30AM-1:30PM   Judo, Men/Women lightwghts, qrterfinals $22

I would prefer to sell all of them at once (for $150 or best offer), but
all offers will be considered. Send email to if interested.

If you are in Boston for the Trials, send email soon and logistics will be easy!


Date:    Fri, 28 Jun 1996 00:48:24 -0400
From:    ***@EROLS.COM
Subject: ap re men's results (spoiler)

Finally got to one of my ap sources (the Washington Post, which has just
dropped its pay service in favor of a free one, at least for now, so even if
you don't want to check out the ap story, you may want to check out recent
gymn articles (yesterday re home-town girl Dominique Dawes; today re injuries
& women's trials and also an article on rhythmic with pic of Jessica Davis).
Anyway, I found the ap article in the sports section, which includes a
subsection carrying breaking ap sports articles, at the following address:

That should waste some space, but for good measure:

Roethlisberger scored 9.7 on rings in first rotation to move into 1st; Wilson
fell further behind on PH with an 8.625.  Simons also lost alot of ground on
PH, temporarily falling to 8th, with an 8.35.  Keswick, whose back problems
were noted, finished 10th, .8 out of 7th, but remained hopeful that making
the team was still within reach.  Waller never got higher than 10th and
currently is 12th.  No mention of Bagiu -- if you're on, Kris, please pass
along best wishes.



Date:    Thu, 27 Jun 1996 22:49:42 -0600
Subject: Stress fractures

Mary Lynne, Sorry one cannot avoid mentioning overtraining in the same
sentence as stress fractures as the two go hand in hand. Heres a definition
I found for you.

Stress fracture
     Fracture caused by non-traumatic, cumulative overload on bone. Can be
caused by a number of factors including overtraining, incorrect
biomechanics, fatigue, hormonal imbalance, poor nutrition and osteoporosis.
Best investigated by Technetium bone scan, as this will show up a stress
fracture within 48 hours. Plain x-rays will show up a stress fracture, but
ususally only after 10 days. Examination will almost always show up a
specific point of maximal tenderness over bone, with possibly some global
tenderness, in the region, due to the reactive periostitis and soft tissue
A stress fracture starts out as a hairline break, if left untreated it can
extend into a full blown fracture.
Stress fractures can occur almost anywhere in the skeleton though probably
most common in the lower leg, feet and wrists of gymnasts. I don't really
think you can pinpoint specific moves that are more at fault. A lot depends
on body type (those with more muscle development), technique, intensity of
training without adequate recovery time plus the other factors mentioned
above. Adequate calcium intake is important to maintain bone density and
encourage bone cells to be laid down.


End of GYMN-L Digest - 27 Jun 1996 to 28 Jun 1996