GYMN-L Digest - 27 Aug 1995 to 28 Aug 1995

There are 21 messages totalling 669 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. new video
  2. Australian Club Champs
  3. Cdn. Women's World Trials (IA)
  4. hello
  5. hmm (WUG W's AA)
  6. German Masters (Men) 1995
  7. Some results - Alfred Vogel cup 1995 (2)
  8. Speaking of U. of Wash...
  9. TIME article (3)
 10. WUG RSG event finals
 11. Mitova
 12. Nationals (2)
 13. Rhythmic Gymnastics
 14. Cdn. Women's World Trials (IB)
 15. new, old moves (2)
 16. height and weight

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Date:    Mon, 28 Aug 1995 00:05:40 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: new video

Does anyone on GYMN know anything about the new gymnastics video that was
advertised during NBC's coverage of Nationals?  I'd like to know something
about it before I consider ordering.  Thanks.

Ann Marie

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Date:    Mon, 28 Aug 1995 12:14:00 -0600
From:    ***@MEDICINE.ADELAIDE.EDU.AU
Subject: Re: Australian Club Champs

          Since there has been a lot of mail coming through lately about
     USA Nationals I thought I'd post the results of Australia's own
     Nationals held recently. I attended the Division A session
     of the Australian Womens National Clubs competition. It was an Elite
     All-Around session with Junior girls from various clubs competing. All
     Australian states were represented except TAS and New Zealand also
     competed. Here are the results.

          WAG Division A OPTIONALS

          1. Kate Lam (Darwin PCYC) NT
          2. Anne-Marie Williamson (Western YC) SA
          3. Laura Robertson (New Zealand)
          4. Rebekah Armbruster (Chandler Comets GC) QLD
          5. Sarah Prosser (Chetkovich GC) WA
          6. Alyssa Harvey (Kanahooka GC) NSW
          7. Nikki Orr (Olympic GC) WA
          8. Ann Maree Vallence (Northern Districts GC) WA
          9. Julia Logan (Manicas GC) WA
          10. Renate Marquis Nicholson (New Zealand)
          11. Jessica Wilson (Cheltenham) VIC
          11. Pauline Czarnecki (Cheltenham) VIC
          13. Melissa Lawrence (Canberra City GC) ACT
          14. Kirsty Pearson (New Zealand)
          15. Brooke Walker (Cheltenham) VIC
          16. Jennifer Schaefer (Canberra City GC) ACT

          VAULT
          1. Rebekah Armbruster
          2. Nikki Orr
          3. Renate Marquis Nicholson

          BARS
          1. Laura Robertson
          2. Sarah Prosser
          3. Kate Lam

          BEAM
          1. Anne-Marie Williamson
          2. Kate Lam
          3. Alyssa Harvey

          FLOOR
          1. Alyssa Harvey
          2. Kate Lam
          3. Anne-Marie Williamson

          Here are some notes from the competition:

          Melissa Lawrence- nice twists on floor- clean. Scary front sault
     on  beam in warm ups. (Very, very low)
          Alyssa Harvey- 9.9 sv on floor! Good twists- double and 1 1/2.
     Uses Hatagans 1993 Junior Europeans music. Performed a yurchenko vault
     seemed a bit hurt on landing. Had two falls on bars- low 7's. Too bad
     cos she has good difficulty. Trains at the AIS. Australian gym fans
     may remember her from the Ju-Ping documentary on ABC a while back.
     Highest  sv on beam-9.7. FF-FF-Layout(fall)
          Katerina Frketic- had to withdraw due to injury. On the topic of
     injury, the people next to me were saying that many QLD girls,
     including Jade Davidson have stress fractures.
          Kate Lam- trains at the AIS with Alyssa Harvey. (Also in the
     documentary) Nice music on floor Handspring full twist vault. Full
     twisting Korbut on beam. Bars- two uprises to handstand, bent arms
     slightly both times. Kate got so occupied watching Anne-Marie on floor
     that she almost forgot to get ready for beam! Her little sister
     competed level 7 here. Kate definitely deserved to win. She was the
     most consistent gymnast of the night.
          Renate Marquis Nicholson- coolest hair of the meet- just like
     Tatiana Lyssenko's!! All the NZ girls had good swing on bars.
          Rebekah Armbruster- VERY fast tumbler! Lightning quick whip
     backs.
          Best music- the NZ girl who used pan pipe music. Different.
          Anne-Marie Williamson- in great form (better than at state
     champs) Vault- handspring front  Hands down on first, better on
     second. Bars- nice stalder on low, stuck double pike. Floor- got the
     loudest applause of any routine. Mature dance. She really throws
     herself into the routine. Nailed double tuck, handspring, bounder,
     layout, (whip)? double twist. Beam-WOW!! Fronttuck on, front tuck,
     ff-ff-layout (high, good stepping out technique) double twist
     dismount-tuck! Clearly the best on beam.
          Cheltenham girls-I think all three of them fell off beam. Fairly
     strong on all events. Cheltenham was runner up National Elite Club.
     Chandler Comets GC won.Sarah Prosser- high piked jaeger on bars.
     Almost fell off when reaching for high bar (Overbalanced, had to swing
     arms and make an extra circle) Lucky!!! I was very impressed with her
     on all events- she just made mistakes. Beam- excellent difficulty
     -fall. Wonderful flexibility! Double tuck off. Floor-good dance.
     'Bummed' out of one pass. I think she could have placed minus falls
     etc.
          Nikki Orr- didn't see her vault but I bet it was good- she has
     the right body type. Nice leo with Olympic colours on it. Short and
     powerful girl.

          I really enjoyed this comp. If any one wants individual scores
     they can E-mail me.
          Tara

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Date:    Sun, 27 Aug 1995 22:13:56 -0600
From:    ***@HARRIER.SASKNET.SK.CA
Subject: Cdn. Women's World Trials (IA)

Here are COMPULSORIES results which were faxed to me over the weekend.
Hopefully optionals & final rankings will show up in the next day or two.
Just a guess, but this meet *could* be televised on SRC (CBC-French) for those
of us "up north" ... all 15 of us! ;)  Keep an eye out the next few Saturdays.

**NOTE:  These results do not reflect the final team.  Last I was told, the
top 9
will go to a couple of training camps before Sabae and the final team will
be selected from there.

Thus we can assume that the majority of gymnasts are not peaking for this
meet, but rather slowly improving as we get closer to Sabae.

Ranks 3 through 7 look tight ... the girls aren't gonna make it easy to
pick a team!

Btw, for those of you wondering where Lisa Simes' name is, I've been told that
she retired from the national team this summer and will compete for Michigan
this fall.

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1995 CANADIAN WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS SELECTION
CLUB GYMNIX - CENTRE CLAUDE ROBILLARD
MONTREAL, QUEBEC
AUGUST 24-26 1995

WOMEN'S COMPULSORIES

RK-NAME (CLUB)                         VAULT  UBARS  BBEAM  FLOOR  TOTAL (IA)
 1-Jennifer Exaltacion (Winstonettes)  9.559  9.525  9.675  9.425  38.175
 2-Lena Degteva (Mississauga)          9.500  9.675  9.450  9.350  37.975
 3-Theresa Wolf (Mississauga)          9.425  9.700  9.150  9.400  37.675
 4-Yvonne Tousek (Cambridge)           9.450  9.550  9.300  9.350  37.650
 5-Marleen Lavoie (Ortona)             9.350  9.400  9.600  9.250  37.600
 6-Stephanie Cappuccitti (Gemini)      9.250  9.625  9.100  9.400  37.375
 7-Jaime Hill (Mississauga)            9.400  9.425  9.150  9.375  37.350
 8-Marilou Cousineau (Gymnix)          9.400  8.675  9.250  9.275  36.600
9t-Stephanie Hyett (WIMGYM)            9.500  9.400  8.800  8.700  36.400
9t-Shanyn MacEachern (Mississauga)     9.500  8.750  8.900  9.250  36.400
11-Tammy Stauffer (Winstonettes)       9.250  9.350  8.650  9.100  36.350
12-Eve-Marie Poulin (Winstonettes)     9.400  8.875  8.500  9.250  36.025
13-Jacinthe Emard (Gym-Richelieu)      8.900  9.050  8.750  9.025  35.725
14-Katie Rowland (Winstonettes)        9.450  7.400  8.350  9.000  34.200
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Date:    Sun, 27 Aug 1995 23:29:17 -0700
From:    ***@HALCYON.COM
Subject: hello

        Hello, all! My name is Stephanie, and this is my
re-introduction. I was on gymn for a couple of weeks at the beginning of
the summer, but then left for my summer job as a camp counselor and have
only now gotten back to my computer. So here i am-and i'll try to keep
this short!
        I am now 18, from seattle, and will be attending the University of
Washington in the fall. I started gymnastics at the age of 12 (an
old-timer,  i know) and then competed for my high school.  I sort of
plateaued at a USGF level 5/6 and didn't get much further than that; a
combination of a fear of tumbling into back tucks and the lack of a
really good place to train hindered that. But i'm not complaining a bit-i
loved every minute of being out there on the floor! (or beam, or whatever.)
        I also coached for about a year and a half, mostly level 4-ish,
although i did coach a small recreational-optional team (about level 6)
as well as being the informal other coach for my high school team. I am
looking to get back into coaching after the summer off, but that might be
on hold for a bit while i settle into university life.
        Well, i guess i've taken up enough space already, so i'll just
say i'm looking forward to being back on this list, and if you're from my
area (seattle) or just want to say hi, drop me a line!
        Solong!
-stephanie

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Date:    Mon, 28 Aug 1995 03:10:55 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: hmm (WUG W's AA)

Okay......I gotta know.......How did Julie Ballard do?  no mention of her
anywhere?

Please...........she's not back yet and I am dying to know!

Lori

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Date:    Sun, 27 Aug 1995 09:00:34 GMT
From:    ***@PISKOUN.DEMON.CO.UK
Subject: German Masters (Men) 1995

I think this is the German mens qualification meet for the Sabae Worlds,
saw it on German TV and here are the results in its German version:

Deutsche Meisterschaft (German Masters?) 1995
=============================================

Kunstturnen Manner

DM-Ergebnisse
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 1. Valeri Belenki      56.375
 2. Andreas Wecker      55.950
 3. Sergei Kharkov      55.325
 4. Ralf Buchner        55.100
 5. Andreas Feigel      54.900
 6. Mario Franke        54.550
 7. Uwe Billerbeck      54.525

WM-Qualifikation
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 1. Valeri Belenki      112.075
 2. Andreas Wecker      111.850
 3. Uwe Billerbeck      110.225
 4. Mario Franke        108.550
 5. Karsten Oelsch      108.050
 6. Andreas Feigel      107.300
 7. Leif Beuth          106.850

[ so what does this mean since Kharkov is in one of the list and not in
the other... probably the latter list is the worlds qualificaton standings ]

Ergebnis
========

Floor
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 1. Sergei Kharkov      9.250
 2. Ronald Mahnke       9.150
 3. Andreas Feigel      9.100

Pommel Horse
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 1. Valeri Belenki      9.650
 2. Leif Beuth          9.450
=3. Andreas Wecker      9.000
=3. Jens Milbradt       9.000

Rings
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 1. Valeri Belenki      9.650
=2. Andreas Wecker      9.600
=2. Mario Franke        9.600

Vault
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 1. Sergei Kharkov      9.400
 2. Uwe Billerbeck      9.225
 3. Robert Mai          9.200

Parallel Bars
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 1. Sergei Kharkov      9.600
 2. Marius Toba         9.400
 3. Andreas Wecker      9.300

High Bar
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 1. Andreas Wecker      9.600
 2. Robert Mai          9.450
 3. Adrian Sittner      9.350


Sherwin

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Date:    Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:30:21 MET
From:    ***@SEPA.TUDELFT.NL
Subject: Some results - Alfred Vogel cup 1995

Here are some results from the Alfred Vogel cup held over the
weekend in Deventer The Netherlands.
Unfortunately I haven't got a very detailed result list so this is all I
can provide right now.   ( I left early on Sunday and on the Dutch
teletekst you cannot count)   Elena Vitrichenko was superior in the
event finals, Serebrianskaya was not competing in event finals due
to injury.  Spain was superior in the group competition over the
Ukraine and Belorussia.


All-around
1. Serebrianskaya               39.825
2. Vitrichenko                  39.700
3. Gontar/ Batyrshina           39.575
5. Lukyanenko


Event finals
rope
1.      Vitrichenko/Gontar/Batyrshina
ball
1.      Vitrichenko              10.00
clubs
1.      Vitrichenko              10.00
ribbon
1.      Vitrichenko


Chantal


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Date:    Mon, 28 Aug 1995 07:45:00 MDT
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: Speaking of U. of Wash...

Michelle Campi will be attending the University of Washington next year.  I
believe that she hopes to compete beam and floor...?

Rachele

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Date:    Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:24:01 MET
From:    ***@SEPA.TUDELFT.NL
Subject: Re: Some results - Alfred Vogel cup 1995

>Date:          Mon, 28 Aug 95 08:16:34 CDT
>Subject:       Re: Some results - Alfred Vogel cup 1995

>Did you think the scoring was accurate? Were the ladies really up
>to that standard?
I am not sure, I am not really an expert in rhythmic gymnastics.
But I do know that the first score given on Sunday was a 9.95
I thought that was a bit much to set a standard (it was Elena
Vitrichenko though)

Chantal


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Date:    Mon, 28 Aug 1995 11:26:04 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: TIME article

Has anyone else seen the latest issue of TIME? There is a slightly more
positive story about Nationals, once again mentioning The Book, about how
USAG is staring to take the emphisis off height/weight. I did not see
nationals, but from what I heard NBC could use a lesson in that. Has anyone
else seen the article?
Anne

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Date:    Mon, 28 Aug 1995 08:17:07 -0600
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: WUG RSG event finals

From Reuters:

World University Games
FUKUOKA, Japan

     Rhythmic gymnastics
     Apparatus finals

     Rope
  1. Maria Petrova (Bulgaria)   9.975 points
  2. Diana Popova (Bulgaria)    9.850
  3. Inessa Gizikova (Russia)   9.775

     Ball
  1. Petrova                   10.000
  2. Popova                     9.800
  3. Gizikova                   9.800

     Clubs
  1. Petrova                   10.000
  2. Popova                     9.900
  3. Gizikova                   9.850

     Ribbon
  1. Petrova                   10.000
  2t. Popova                    9.825
  2t. Gizikova                  9.825

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Date:    Mon, 28 Aug 1995 09:25:46 -0700
From:    ***@U.WASHINGTON.EDU
Subject: Re: Mitova

Yes Silvia Mitova did do her "Blues" routine at the'91 worlds and she was
also in the event finals.  Unfortunately she is not still doing
gymnastics due to a very serious back injury. :(


> Did Silvia Mitova do her Blues routine at the '91 Worlds? Thanks!
> Bye!!!!!
>
> Yours till the kitchen sinks,
> Margi :)
> and
> Mardi ;)
>

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Date:    Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:29:59 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Nationals

I think Dom D. and Shannon Miller looked a lot more graceful and I think
shannon has improved so much especially on vault. I'm also sick of the over
the hill stuff. If Shannon was 12, they would say she was wonderful but since
she is 18 she is suddenly not so good. instead of having the mushy stories
they could of put so much more coverage on   Also, what is the difference
between a takachev and a reverse hect????? Thanks , Kathy
.

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Date:    Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:55:37 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Rhythmic Gymnastics

I created a  mail list  of people who have written or expressed interest in
Rhythmic Gymnastics when I first subscribed to GYMN, but I haven't kept it
up.  My intent was to have an address list I could send an E-mail question
that specifically addressed an RSG issue (like parents going to Classics/JO's
etc) without flooding GYMN.  General topics, discussion-related issues meet
results etc., are excellent for the larger GYMN forum.  But specific
inquiries about a special interest might be of value too. Does anyone else
agree?

Many INet services charge per E-mail over a certain amount, and for other
reasons, this seemed to make sense. I could see GYMN having value in tracking
specific interests of subscribers who want to volunteer the info and making
it available as a download.   Is this a feasible suggestion?

Don

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Date:    Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:10:22 -0600
From:    ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: Re: TIME article

Perhaps one of the best ways to take the emphasis off of weight and height is
to stop the stupid television networks from playing it on air. There
really is NO reason to tell people this information except to remind people
of the "elfin" image of a gymnast. I don't CARE if someone is 5 feet or
4 feet tall. You can tell they are small or medium or tall by looking at
them standing near an apparatus. They should stop this. After all, are we
constantly reminded of how tall and how much Monica Seles weighs? I think
not.


Jeff


My two cents.

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Date:    Mon, 28 Aug 1995 14:30:32 -0400
From:    ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: Re: TIME article

I saw the article, and I think it is a good idea not to say this is so
and so, and she is this height and this weight.  I was under the
impression that at this year's nationals, since this was eliminated, the
information was not available to reporters, or am I wrong?

On Mon, 28 Aug 1995, Anne -- wrote:

> Has anyone else seen the latest issue of TIME? There is a slightly more
> positive story about Nationals, once again mentioning The Book, about how
> USAG is staring to take the emphisis off height/weight. I did not see
> nationals, but from what I heard NBC could use a lesson in that. Has anyone
> else seen the article?
> Anne
>

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Date:    Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:45:26 -0400
From:    ***@INTERACTIVE.NET
Subject: Re: Nationals

>I think Dom D. and Shannon Miller looked a lot more graceful and I think
>shannon has improved so much especially on vault. I'm also sick of the over
>the hill stuff. If Shannon was 12, they would say she was wonderful but since
>she is 18 she is suddenly not so good. instead of having the mushy stories
>they could of put so much more coverage on   Also, what is the difference
>between a takachev and a reverse hect????? Thanks , Kathy


To answer your question a reverse hecht and a takachev are the same. Also in
response to the over the hill comments if Shannon was 12 and made the same
mistakes it would be because she was young and inexperienced, no matter what
people always seem to think that age is a measure of how good a gymnast you
are. Which we all know is false.


Lori

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Date:    Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:00:54 -0600
From:    ***@HARRIER.SASKNET.SK.CA
Subject: Cdn. Women's World Trials (IB)

Hi again,

Got final results today.  There were a few changes in the rankings, the most
drastic being Jamie Hill's drop from 7th to 10th.

Again, "these results do not reflect the final team.  Last I was told, the top 9
will go to a couple of training camps before Sabae and the final team will
be selected from there."

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1995 CANADIAN WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS SELECTION
CLUB GYMNIX - CENTRE CLAUDE ROBILLARD
MONTREAL, QUEBEC
AUGUST 24-26 1995

WOMEN'S COMPULSORIES & OPTIONALS

RK-NAME (CLUB)                     VAULT   UBARS   BBEAM   FLOOR   TOTAL

 1-Jennifer Exaltacion        IA   9.559   9.525   9.675   9.425   38.175
   (Winstonettes)             II   9.450   9.525   9.650   9.675   38.300
                           TOTAL  19.000  19.050  19.325  19.100   76.475

2-Theresa Wolf                IA   9.425   9.700   9.150   9.400   37.675
  (Mississauga)               II   9.450   9.575   9.400   9.475   37.900
                           TOTAL  18.875  19.275  18.550  18.875   75.575

 3-Lena Degteva               IA   9.500   9.675   9.450   9.350   37.975
   (Mississauga)              II   9.462   9.700   9.500   8.900   37.562
                           TOTAL  18.962  19.375  18.950  18.250   75.537

 4-Yvonne Tousek              IA   9.450   9.550   9.300   9.350   37.650
   (Cambridge)                II   9.362   9.150   9.600   9.600   37.712
                           TOTAL  18.812  18.700  18.900  18.950   75.362

 5-Stephanie Cappuccitti      IA   9.250   9.625   9.100   9.400   37.375
   (Gemini)                   II   9.437   9.625   9.200   9.125   37.387
                           TOTAL  18.687  19.250  18.300  18.525   74.762

 5-Marleen Lavoie             IA   9.350   9.400   9.600   9.250   37.600
   (Ortona)                   IB   8.625   9.400   9.200   9.375   36.600
                           TOTAL  17.975  18.800  18.800  18.625   74.200

 7-Marilou Cousineau          IA   9.400   8.675   9.250   9.275   36.600
   (Gymnix)                   II   9.487   9.075   9.200   9.600   37.362
                           TOTAL  18.887  17.750  18.450  18.875   73.962

 8-Shanyn MacEachern          IA   9.500   8.750   8.900   9.250   36.400
   (Mississauga)              II   9.562   9.600   9.300   8.925   37.387
                           TOTAL  19.062  18.350  18.200  18.175   73.787

 9-Stephanie Hyett            IA   9.500   9.400   8.800   8.700   36.400
   (WIMGYM)                   II   9.387   9.550   8.950   9.150   37.037
                           TOTAL  18.887  18.950  17.750  17.850   73.437

10-Jaime Hill                 IA   9.400   9.425   9.150   9.375   37.350
   (Mississauga)              II   9.025   9.575   9.100   8.300   36.000
                           TOTAL  18.425  19.000  18.250  17.675   73.350

11-Eve-Marie Poulin           IA   9.400   8.875   8.500   9.250   36.025
   (Winstonettes)             II   9.537   8.700   9.225   9.300   36.762
                           TOTAL  18.937  17.575  17.725  18.550   72.787

12-Tammy Stauffer             IA   9.250   9.350   8.650   9.100   36.350
   (Winstonettes)             II   9.062   9.400   9.000   8.500   35.962
                           TOTAL  18.312  18.750  17.650  17.600   72.312

13-Jacinthe Emard             IA   8.900   9.050   8.750   9.025   35.725
   (Gym-Richelieu)            II   9.237   9.100   8.900   8.700   35.937
                           TOTAL  18.137  18.150  17.650  17.725   71.662

14-Katie Rowland              IA   9.450   7.400   8.350   9.000   34.200
   (Winstonettes)             II   8.025   8.000   8.700   8.550   34.275
                           TOTAL  18.475  15.400  17.050  17.550   68.475
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Date:    Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:00:48 PDT
From:    ***@GEOWORKS.COM
Subject: Re: new, old moves

Rachele writes:
> Or how about a double twisting front, punch back?


        I've never seen or heard of a front punch back.  The only way I've
seen things continue into a back flip is from back tumbling (i.e back punch
back).  I think it would be really hard on your lower back to go from front
tumbling immediately punching backward.

        Dave

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Date:    Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:48:42 -0600
From:    ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: Re: new, old moves

Plus, it would be almost impossible to stop your momentum from going foward.
Now a *gainer* somi would be okay, since you would be going in the same
direction (forwards).

Back tumbling suits itself for reversing direction, since your hands are
*above* you and you can easily through them forward to somi. It would be
really awkward to go from arms above you and try to throw them back and
your hips while your chest is still going forward. Violates inertia rule.


BTW: I have seen mani barani punch backs, so it really depends on where
your hips are going.


Jeff

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Date:    Mon, 28 Aug 1995 22:09:13 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: height and weight

I agree with Jeff and others about height and weight.  What is the point of
saying it, and do you hear it in other sports?   Imagine if you are a young
girl and your height and weight is being broadcast on national television!
 That in itself is a tremendous pressure to be smaller and lighter.

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