GYMN-L Digest - 26 Oct 1995 to 27 Oct 1995

There are 12 messages totalling 344 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. GYMN-L Digest - 8 Oct 1995 - Special issue
  2. Introduction
  3. Eating Disorders... (2)
  4. Pod coming to Subway, and more... (2)
  5. 93 Russian women, Pre-Olympics
  6. Recruits, Fantasy Gymnastics (2)
  7. Men's comp. in Iran?
  8. Introduction of a new subscriber
  9. Looking for Parents:5,6...


Date:    Fri, 27 Oct 1995 00:32:27 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 8 Oct 1995 - Special issue

I am looking for Olympic tickets to womens events.  I have a ticket to Mens
team finals I will trade along with cash.

I am also looking for Opening Ceremonies tickets.

Please help.

Thanks,  Jeff


Date:    Fri, 27 Oct 1995 01:53:05 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Introduction

Hi -

I have been lurking for awhile now, but feel I should introduce myself.  My
name is Sarah and I'm from Washington State. I'm 22 (almost 23 !), married
for 4 months now :),  and I work as a system administrator and database
developer. I also have plans to attend law school next fall. (2 years in the
"real world" was enough to make me want to go back to school...) As far as
gymnastics background, I took four years of recreational gymnastics when I
was in elementary school/junior high, blew out my knee in a ski race and
haven't been in the gym since. However, I am a big fan and have followed
gymnastics and the national/international scene since the early '80s. As far
as other athletic interests - I ran track and cross country and played
competitive tennis in high school and college (still run the occasional 10K
and play tennis recreationally), and I have also ridden and shown horses
competitively since I was 6 years old. And in my "spare" time I love to read,
especially mysteries, and write poetry. I have really enjoyed reading gymn
(I've gone back to read a lot of the older digests), and look forward to
contributing in the future.



Date:    Fri, 27 Oct 1995 02:29:07 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Eating Disorders...

As a new poster, I hate to jump in the middle of this discussion, but it is
an issue I can relate to very personally, so I will anyway.

>Hmmm.  Since we can't ethically do a true experiment, the next best thing
>might be to compare rates of eating disorders in sports that require
>attention to detail, striving for perfection, obsessive behavior, _and
>extreme thinness_ with sports that require the first three but not the
>last.  I nominate running.  (I was going to nominate power lifting which I
>actually think is a better comparison, but I thought some of you would find
>it unfair).  Does anyone out there have access to information on rates of
>eating disorders among runners?  Power lifters? Swimmers?

As far as runners go - I have seen statistics, which I will try to dig up,
but I believe the number for competitive runners is startlingly high. (At
least it was startling to me.)
As a former competitive runner, I would attest to the fact that it is
certainly a large problem.
But I would tend to agree with the premise that eating disorders may have
more to do with the type of person you are than the sport you are involved
in. I offer this example. I attended an elite eastern college, where the
student body was largely composed of vary academically talented individuals
who tended to fit the profile offered above - perfectionists, attention to
detail, at least mildly obsessive, very driven individuals. (I was/am one
myself). You had to be to succeed academically. Well, while I was there,
eating disorders became a major issue after a number of surveys and studies
showed that the number of female students with eating disorders was between
25 and 30%. That's not just athletes - that's female students as a whole.
Responses to surveys seemed to indicate that people who had a low tolerance
for perceived imperfections extended that to their bodies as well. Anyway,
I'm sorry this has gotten so long, but I tend to agree with the view that the
type of people who become elite gymnasts have much in common with those
people who are prone to develop eating disorders. Thanks for listening - I
hope this has been clear enough.



Date:    Fri, 27 Oct 1995 08:53:53 -0400
Subject: Pod coming to Subway, and more...

Hi everybody!  Thanks for all the messages regarding the Subway World
Gymnastics Challenge. I'll try to respond to them all here.

Sorry for my absence last night - I went to the movies.  I also spent last
night scanning in some photos that I picked up from CGF.  They are now
posted on the Subway Profiles page.  Some of the photos BTW were taken by
Dory Dynna.

Now... for the good stuff.  While at CGF they told me that Podkopayeva and
some other Ukranians will be coming to Hamilton for the Subway World
Gymnastics Challenge immediately after the Chattanooga, Tennessee frolick.
In the immortal words of Homer Simpson, "WOO HOO!".  I can't remember if
I've already mentioned it, but Pod is featured on the Subway poster.  I
don't have the poster myself, but it looks like all the Ontario clubs got
one.  I'll ask about the sales possibility if there is sufficient interest.

CGF was also expecting the US women's delegation yesterday afternoon.  I'll
find out today.  Just hang on a bit, ok?  Nobody knows why they've taken so

Roza or Rosa?  Anyways, I have pictures somewhere of her competing at '91
Worlds, so she couldn't have been 15 in 1993 - must be someone else.

I was also going through my gym photo buckets and found a nice photo of
what I think is Marleen Lavoie from 1991 Elite Canada.  It's on the
Profiles page.  If it's not her, please let me know ASAP.

The Subway WGC will be presented by Alberto VO5 on CBC pm Saturday December
2 from 3:00 to 5:00pm (Eastern).  I don't think they will show any old Rula
Lenska commercials, but you never know.  Women's Elite Canada is also going
on that weekend at Seneca, isn't it?

I don't know which newspapers with cover Subway, but will find out.

For those who have bio's of the Americans, or anyone else for that matter,
I would like their birthdate, birthplace, hometown, occupation, club, and
coaches, as well as a short paragraph of their career highlights and if
possible, a photo that shows their face.  Any photos that you have can be
ftp'd, e-mailed, or snail mailed to me.  I'll return the photos with a
diskette of the scan, if you like.  Proper credits will be given if
published on the Profiles page.

Thanks again for all you support and interest!



Date:    Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:25:31 -0400
From:    "***@MOOSE.UVM.EDU
Subject: Re: 93 Russian women, Pre-Olympics

Everyone is talking about the Pre-Olympics. I have never heard of them.
What are they and how do they select the athletes who go?



Date:    Fri, 27 Oct 1995 08:31:19 -0500
Subject: Recruits, Fantasy Gymnastics

Date sent:  27-OCT-1995 08:27:32

OK, I'm trying something new here today. We're going to see if we can't
get this signature shorter without changing it. :)

Anyhow...I mentioned the word "recruits." :) I know I asked a while
back, but I never could find the digest that someone told me to look
up. I really am curious about only two schools, though, so maybe some
one from those could answer? Did Michigan or Florida get any good recruits?

Second, I overheard a conversation about fantasy football the other day.
Anyone ever hear of fantasy gymnastics?


Date:    Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:03:55 -0400
Subject: Men's comp. in Iran?

The NandO Times reports that al-Iraq, an official Iraqi daily,
has reported that an Iraqi men's gymnastics team will be
competing in a gymnstics championships to be held in Tehran, Iran
in the third week of November, and that this will represent the
first exchange of athletic teams between Iran & Iraq since the
Iran-Iraq war (ie, since 1980).  Neither country, so far as I
could determine from the Sabae pages, sent any athletes to the
world championships; does anybody know anything about the quality
of Iranian or Iraqi gymnastics (I can't imagine training
conditions have been too good in the last 15 years in Iran or in
the last 5 in Iraq, if they ever were), or anything about what
teams will be competing in the Tehran championships?

As further evidence of a possible thaw in relations between the
two countries, Iran will be attending something called the
Baghdad International Fair next week.  I have no idea what that
is.  N&O didn't have much to say on the international affairs
context behind this; they just basically set out the info
reported by the Iraqi press.

For those interested, the brief N&O article can be found at; go to sports; sports briefs.

No other news or sports services seem to have picked up on it (at
least I couldn't find anything), and (not surprisingly) it hasn't
made the gymn calendar as yet, either.  If there are any
subscribers in the region, or with contacts in the region, I for
one would love to hear more about this, though!  (by private
email if it seems too esoteric for general interest).



Date:    Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:28:47 EDT
From:    ***@PRODIGY.COM
Subject: Pod coming to Subway, and more...

>The Subway WGC will be presented by Alberto VO5 on CBC pm Saturday
>2 from 3:00 to 5:00pm (Eastern).  I don't think they will show any
old Rula
>Lenska commercials, but you never know.  Women's Elite Canada is
also going
>on that weekend at Seneca, isn't it?

Actually, as far as I know we're hosting Elite Canada on the 8th and
9th of December.
It's great to hear Pod's making another appearance this year in
Hamilton.  I was on the floor last
year and spoke to Gina Gogean and Anna-Maria Bican but I didn't get a
chance to meet Pod.
Maybe this year...

p.s. keep up the great work, we all realy appreciate it!


Date:    Fri, 27 Oct 1995 19:04:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Eating Disorders...

Two thoughts, and then I'll try to get off this topic:

1.  Sarah, if you can get the numbers on runners I'd appreciate it.  I'd
especially appreciate it if you could get the numbers on sprinters since
that's who I was thinking about when I posted, although the info on
distance runners would be interesting too.

2.  Perhaps we should be looking at teenaged female competitive chess
players.  Nobody pays more attention to detail or is more perfectionistic
or obsessive, but the body plays little to no role in chess.  It would be
an interesting comparison.

Ilene, who is tired of fighting about this and is going to try to make her
next post a bit more upbeat.


Date:    Fri, 27 Oct 1995 22:26:39 -0400
From:    ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Introduction of a new subscriber

Hi!  My name is Christopher (you can call me Chris),  and I have just
subscribed to gymn.  I am 21 years old and have been a serious gymnastics fan
for about ten years.  I am from Brampton Ontario, but right now I am living
on campus at York University.  Students here get free access to e-mail and
internet services, and if it weren't for that, I wouldn't even know about
this service.  I do prefer women's gymnastics, but I do also enjoy men's
(rhythmic doesn't really interest me at all).  My favourite all time gymnasts
are Daniela Silivas (it is my opinion that she was robbed of the AA gold in
Soeul), and Yuri Korolev.  Does anyone know what they are doing now?  I was
also a big fan of Kristie Phillips (I cried for ever when she didn't make the
Olympic Team;  if she hadn't gone out of bounds on floor at the trials, she
would have beaten out Rhonda for the alternate spot, you know).  Has anyone
seen her first movie?  It's called SPLITFIRE (I think),  and I saw it listed
for pay TV (which I don't get).  She plays a gymnast!  Kind of weird for
someone who is supposodly so bitter to the sport.  I unfortunately missed the
60 minutes spot.  Could someone post a summary of what was talked about?
Anyway, that's all for now.  I am looking forward to participating in this
for years to come!


Date:    Fri, 27 Oct 1995 22:27:09 EDT
From:    ***@PRODIGY.COM
Subject: Looking for Parents:5,6...

Looking for other gym parents of level 5,6,7.....   How are meets run
in your childs gym.  What does the parents booster group do to help
raise money, etc.

I live in Mass. near the NH border.  My daughter is a level 5 and is
now in a gym in Mass.  Last year she was in a gym in NH that was
closer to home but she asked to go to another gym.  Has anyone else
had this happen? The ride is a lot longer but she is extremely happy
in the new gym.

Next month she is going to the Kingstown Tigers Invitational in Rhode
Island.  Is anyone else going?

If you would like to write please e-mail me at ***

I look forward to exchanging ideas with other parents.



Date:    Fri, 27 Oct 1995 22:46:03 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Recruits, Fantasy Gymnastics

Have never heard of Fantasy Gymnastics, but with a husband who 'played'
Fantasy Football last year, the possibility coincidentally hit me a few days
ago.  How would it work?  Would folks be able to field teams encompassing
gymnasts from every country, every 'era,' or just one?  Would they be able to
substitute different gymnasts in for different events?  Yeah, a few days ago
I definitely wondered about the feasibility of creating such a game.  But
then I became overwhelmed at all the thought that would go into it and conked
out from the exhaustion of the thought (no, I'm not narcoleptic -- just
overtired!).  If you'd like to pursue the idea, though, I'd REALLY be
interested in participating, especially with the Olympics coming up!  We
could base our standings in Fantasy Gymnastics upon what the actual competing
gymnasts accomplish in the meet.  Ooooh, I'm starting to like the idea more
and more...


End of GYMN-L Digest - 26 Oct 1995 to 27 Oct 1995