GYMN-L Digest - 25 Sep 1995 to 26 Sep 1995 - Special issue

There are 25 messages totalling 516 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. Sabae World's.
  2. Mohini / Bilozerchev
  3. Olympic tickets
  4. Olympic Tickets (2)
  5. Dominique Dawes' wrist injury: W. Post info
  6. Dawes and Stanford
  7. Computer ad...
  8. Newsweek
  9. Garrison BB Mount.
 10. October IG magazine (2)
 12. world championship questions
 13. Nadia Comenici (sp)
 14. T.V. Times
 15. Chow not going to Worlds? (2)
 16. Andrea Pickens (2)
 17. olympic tickets
 18. Pickens
 19. Phelps
 20. body types
 21. AOL AGAIN !


Date:    Mon, 25 Sep 1995 22:32:54 -0600
Subject: Sabae World's.

If Sabae will have Team competition, then what was the purpose of Dortmund?



Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 1995 00:35:08 EDT
From:    ***@PRODIGY.COM
Subject: Mohini / Bilozerchev

Subject: Mohini / Bilozertchev

I have never posted anything before, so I hope that I am doing this

Since Mohini Bhardwaj was transferred from Brown's - Fla.  to Brown's
- Houston to train with Alexandrev
(Coach of Boguinskaia who recently switched from Karolyi to Brown's -
Houston), Ray Gnat and Joan
Moore Gnat have left Brown's.   They have accepted positions at
Gwynnetts in Suburban - Atlanta.   Of
course their Elite daughter Jeanna Rice has made the move with them.
 Jeanna is recovering from
recently being  hospitalized with osteomyclitis.

Replacing Ray and Joan at Brown's - Fla. is arguably the greatest
male gymnast ever - Dimitri Bilozertchev
and Olga Korina Dubranskaya.

I am assuming that Dimitri no longer has his own gym in the Florida
Panhandle (but I don't know for sure.)

Just thought you would like to know.



Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 1995 05:50:08 -18521200
Subject: Olympic tickets

        I was really disappointed with my Olympic
tickets.  Out of 27 gymnastics sessions which I
applied for, I only received 3.  And 2 of those
are for the podium training, so I only have 1
actual competition session.  The worst part is
that the 3 sessions are spread over 7 days, so
I'll have to stay in a hotel during that time.
I bet most of these seats went to corporate sponsors
(for their employees).  Is anyone out there happy
with their tickets?
        The good news is that it's only 2 more days
before  we leave for Japan!  Sayonara.



Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 1995 09:47:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Olympic Tickets

>         Did anyone out there actually get their Olympic Tickets?  I got a
> packet full of information today telling me I did not get them.  Just
> wondering if Fairtix worked in favor of anyone else.

We got our packet yesterday, but all we got was soccer.  I thought this
was kind of strange; I really wasn't expecting to get, say, the women's
all around finals, but I didn't think that men's podium training would be
*that* popular.  Besides, we had some baseball games and other stuff as
alternate choices, but we didn't get those either.  Did anyone else
request podium training and *not* get it?



Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 1995 09:55:52 EDT
From:    ***@EOS.NCSU.EDU
Subject: Olympic Tickets

To quote Homer Simpson:  "WOO-HOO!"  I was able to get a ticket for the
morning session of the women's team optionals!  Unfortunately, it wasn't
my main primary choice (I had asked for a $106 seat), but they did bump
me back to a $27 seat.  So, I guess I have a "nosebleed" seat.  But I am
counting my blessings.  They did the same thing to me on the gold medal
baseball game, and bumped me back a ticket price.  But isn't there a
scientific theory that says that the farther away you are, the better
chance you have of catching a foul ball?  Kinda like pressure increases
as temperature increases?  But anyways. . . I also got a ticket for the
bronze and gold medal women's soccer games (it was a package), which did not
sell out surprisingly to me.  This is, after all, it is an Olympic FIRST,
and the U.S. is one of the better teams in the world.

I do hope for the people who ordered tickets for the Opening Ceremony.
Sunday night, one of the local TV stations here said that an uncomfirmed
Japanese report says that 40-50,000 of the 70,000 available seats are
going to corporate sponsors.  Makes you wish you were rich, doesn't it?

Good luck to everyone else in their quest for tickets!



Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:12:30 -0400
Subject: Dominique Dawes' wrist injury: W. Post info

The Washington Post today had a very brief article (why they
can't provide decent coverage of a local star I will never
understand) that said that Dominique is wearing a cast on her
wrist because she has a stress fracture in the growth plate of
that end of her ulna (one of the two bones in the forearm).
Kelli Hill also said that she had strained her shoulder trying to
compensate for the wrist injury, and the shoulder also could use
the rest.  So that's the story, and she's focusing on next year
and still taking classes at U. Maryland with the intention of
going to Stanford after the Olympics (no mention of whether the
scholarship is still available, and I've forgotten what was said
about that on the list a few weeks back, except that somebody had
the answer).

(In case I've overstated the shoulder thing -- it just sounded
like preventive medicine:  no real injury, just making sure that
she didn't do damage trying to compete while compensating for the
wrist injury.)

Just thought those of you from out of town would want to know . .



Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:08:45 -0500
Subject: Dawes and Stanford

Date sent:  26-SEP-1995 11:07:20

OK, here's the scoop on Dawes and Stanford. She had a scholarship,
she lost the scholarship because she took money and/or had an
agent. Therefore, she is taking classes at Maryland until she
fulfils her Olympic Dream, and then will attend Stanford as a student
next fall.

That's the poop, and nothing but the poop.


Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 1995 12:26:14 -0400
From:    ***@IC.AC.UK
Subject: Computer ad...

I was browsing through a computer magazine today ("PC Marketplace",
UK, October 1995) and was surprised indeed as I was flicking through
the pages, to find a big photo of Annika Reeder on one of the pages.
It has a title of "INSIST ON THE BEST" and on the left of the picture
it says "Annika Reeder - British & Commonwealth Gymnastics Champion"
and the right it says "SMC Computers plc - sole sponsor". This company
is obviously using the positive image of gymnastics to promote their
computers. Underneath the photo was this:

"Getting to be the best takes years. There is no short cut, no magic
formula, just hard work and continual improvement over a long period
of time.

Dedication to the task means staying focused when others fail - there
can be no distractions or excuses.

The highest standards of performance must be achieved by continually
improving strengths and removing weaknesses.

Keeping  a competitive edge is the only way to stay ahead: first
place is hard to win and must be strengthened at all times.

In business as in sport: Insist on the best."

Then follows 24 pages of adverts of this company, advertising the whole
range of their products - PCs, hard disks, memory chips, etc. And on
nearly each opposite page there is a photo of Annika doing different
poses in various gymnastics poses - leaps, balance, etc. Annika is
wearing a red leotard with a "SMC" logo on it. This company is
obviously very proud to be the "sole sponsor" of Annika and I guess
Annika must be chuffed to have a sponsor such as this to balance her
gymnastics expenses.

I think here in UK we still have a very positive image of the sport
in people's minds. No "Little Girls in Pretty Boxes" on the book
shelves or allegations such as those at the Australian Institute of
Sport over our heads. In fact everything I've heard in the press
recently about gymnastics were all very positive e.g. Annika winning
the Commonwealth Games Gold was on front page of newspapers. Anyway
I hope the press people is nice enough to keep this image up. It will
be an achievement if, say, the British team qualify for the Atlanta



Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 1995 13:14:40 -0400
From:    ***@STYX.IOS.COM
Subject: Newsweek

        In the October 2nd issue of Newsweek there is an article about
Dominique Moceanu and some nice pictures of her, Miller, Dawes, and
Nadia.  Its in the society section on page 72. Overall it was a positive
article which is just what the sport needs here.



Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 1995 12:31:39 -0600
Subject: Garrison BB Mount.

A friend and I were talking about this the other day and we were wondering
if anyone else has done the RO-Tuck full mount on the beam since Kelly
Garrison did it?



Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 1995 15:06:21 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: October IG magazine

are there any posters?is there good nationals coverage?what are the other


Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 1995 14:24:57 CDT
From:    ***@PROCTR.CBA.UA.EDU

On Tues. Sept. 26, Jeff asked if anyone knew if a gymnast has
performed Kelly Garrison's mount on beam.

I don't know about that, but you know she has four skills named after her.  I
think it may be the most of any gymnast.
Nice to here of her name again, brings back good memories for U.S.
1.RO-full mount
2.shoulder roll forward
3.Valdez through horizontal plane
4.Cat leap 1 1/2



Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 1995 15:10:24 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: October IG magazine

Sorry I just got your message about no poster right after I read this


Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 1995 15:17:23 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: world championship questions

I really need results tonight so if you can try to answer ASAP.  I recently
had Mall Tours w/ Scott Keswick and Betty Okino at a mall near me and there
was a chart of all of the gymnastics meets with TV coverage and it said Sept.
26 (tonite)  World Team Trials on ESPN.  My TV Week doesn't have it listed.
 If it is on tonite could ya please tell me what time (eastern time)


Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 1995 15:19:09 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Nadia Comenici (sp)



Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 1995 15:09:15 CDT
From:    ***@PROCTR.CBA.UA.EDU
Subject: T.V. Times

Someone had posted a while back that the t.v. coverage of
World Team trials(W) were on Sept. 25 on ESPN.  Someone today was asking
about it and they thought it was tonight.  I freaked out because I thought I
might have missed it but had been thinking all along that it was
Oct. 3.  Well,  I called ESPN personally because I couldn't wait and they said
 it is Oct. 3 at 9:30 p.m.  That's what they said, so.  I don't guess it was on
 last night also, was it?



Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 1995 16:17:44 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Chow not going to Worlds?

I read today on the bulletin board on America Online that Andree Pickens will
be replacing Amy Chow on the world team. Does anyone know if this is true?
I'm sure Andree Pickens will do her best, but this American team is getting
weaker by the minute.



Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 1995 16:28:58 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Andrea Pickens

I just heard that Andrea Pickens is replacing Amy Chow on the world team.  Is
that true?  Sorry if this has already been discussed on the list.


Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 1995 16:47:27 PDT
From:    ***@EPIX.NET
Subject: olympic tickets

        I didn't get the tickets I wanted either. All I got was
pod-training.  But a girl at my gym got tickets too both the event finals
and the exabition. I was so disapointed is there any other way too get
tickets to any womens events.



Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:26:30 EDT
From:    ***@EOS.NCSU.EDU
Subject: Re: Andrea Pickens

> I just heard that Andrea Pickens is replacing Amy Chow on the world team.  Is
> that true?  Sorry if this has already been discussed on the list.
> Liz

USA TODAY says that Mary Beth Arnold will take Amy's place.


Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:26:28 -0400
From:    ***@STYX.IOS.COM
Subject: Re: Chow not going to Worlds?

        If this is true, then I guess a previous post about Mary Beth
Arnold stepping down as alternate is also true.  I agree that this team
is much weaker then expected, I hope noone else gets hurt.  But then
again, young teams can surprise us (Indy 91- with homecourt advantage).
Oh well I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.


On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, (No Name) wrote:

> I read today on the bulletin board on America Online that Andree Pickens will
> be replacing Amy Chow on the world team. Does anyone know if this is true?
> I'm sure Andree Pickens will do her best, but this American team is getting
> weaker by the minute.
> LeeAnn


Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:17:57 -0400
Subject: Pickens

I thought Mary Beth Arnold was the alternate.  Does this make Monica
Flammer the alternate now?  When do they leabve (or have they already)?


Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 1995 15:00:39 -0700
From:    ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: Phelps


In The Cincinnati Enquirer they had a very short article about Jaycie.
It said that Jaycie is going to compete in the worlds despite a knee

Margi and Mardi  :)


Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 1995 16:04:40 -0700
From:    ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: body types

Jimmy the Greek was outta line with his cracks, but body type is important.
I know a delightfully intelligent black gymnastics coach.  Great coach,
but hes terrified of demonstrating the moves himself.

He does not practice gymnastics because he has a bodytype that injured easily in
the sport.  Charlie Lake was well known as a "Lurch" being that hes like 5-6
tall.  This is considered tall for gymnastics.  He can do the skills, but
hes stastically unlikely to rack up the points due to his height.
Charlie is special because he DOES get points despite his height.

You do not put a linebacker body up on hi-bar.
You are just asking for an accident.

So the body type does not mean you cant to do the event, it just means you are
less or more likely (depending on boidy type) to do well at it and win the
meets.  You dont expect me at 5-11 to do as well as my buddy Zane @ 5-4 do you ?

I agree however that Jimmy the greek sure came off as a biggot.


Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:04:15 -0700
From:    ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: AOL AGAIN !

Last week I was at a conference of sysadmin folk.
Something totally off the wall happened that changes my attitude.
I was on the terminal room staff.
One of my fellow staff members got spammed with some commercial junk mail
and began fuming about it, and I joined him in yet again griping abpout AOL
stupidity. A gentleman got up from his terminal and asked us what was wrong.
We told him and he returned to his terminal.
He returned to us in a few mins and assured us that the problem was solved.
Then i got a look at the email address on his badge!


Well it seems, this man is the postmaster of AOL.
At breakfast the next morning, I was introduced to the rest of the AOL
staff in attendence @ LISA.  Seems AOL has been working HARD on improving their
technical expertise.  They now have some pretty bright people working for
them and they are weeding out the  morons on the staff and the abusive
users from their midst.

I shall refrain from AOL bashing for a while and give them a chance.



End of GYMN-L Digest - 25 Sep 1995 to 26 Sep 1995 - Special issue