GYMN-L Digest - 25 May 1996 to 26 May 1996

There are 15 messages totalling 321 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Seneca - North York web site
  2. Proposed changes in 1997 Code (Women)
  3. rhythmic gymnastics questions
  4. HELP
  5. 97 CODE (2)
  6. Gymnastics
  7. USAG Congress
  8. Non-profit gym organizations
  9. GYMN-L Digest - 24 May 1996 to 25 May 1996 (2)
 10. Sweat, and stoop on
 11. Boulakhova
 12. Gym on Aus TV
 13. <No subject given>


Date:    Sat, 25 May 1996 11:10:23 EST
Subject: Seneca - North York web site

Come visit the Seneca - North York web site at url:

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likes it so much!



Date:    Sat, 25 May 1996 10:45:22 CST
From:    ***@MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU
Subject: Proposed changes in 1997 Code (Women)

No one's brought up one of the good points about the 9.0 Start Value
(International rules).  That is, the gymnasts can get bonus from extra D's
or E's OR from bonus connections.  Right now, with the current code, the
gymnasts start at 9.4 and are restricted to .3 bonus in extra D/E and .3 in
bonus connections.  I think the "loosening" of the restriction of which
category the bonus can come from will make more interesting routines.

For those of you concerned about the JO (level 8-9-10) and college levels,
the committees will meet and decide how they may modify the new code.  So
don't panic!  There are still a lot of unknowns.



Date:    Sat, 25 May 1996 11:14:57 -0700
From:    ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: rhythmic gymnastics questions

Hi! I'm Karen. Mother of a gymnast from the gym formally
known as Karolyi's. My husband usually sends my notes for me but he is
fishing in Canada. So please excuse me if this note gets screwed up.
I'll do best I can.
My daughter, Kirsten, has been told she has patellar tendenitus and
Osgood Schlatter symptoms in both her knees. She is seven and
experiances a lot of pain in the knees. Since vaulting may prove to be
too much for her knees, we are looking for other ways for her to keep
up with what she loves. She is flexible,lean and very graceful on the
floor and beam.She is also beautiful and very pleasent to watch. She
has expressed an interest in rhythmics so this why I have some
questions about the rhythmic gymnastics.
Kirsten has competed one season level 4 and one season level 5 and was
training for her second season of level 5.
Is there a level for the little girls to compete?
What are there ages for these levels?
Is rhythmic any worse on the knees?
How do they train?
Are there any gyms in the Houston area that train little rhythmic
girls? {we are in the Spring area, FM1960 and 45. just a mile from the
old Karolyi gym}
Does anyone know if the man who bought the Karolyi gym is planning on
bringing rhythmic to the gym?
I have so many questions but I have to get one of my sons to a T-Ball
game. So any other items anyone could tell me about rhythmics and the
knee problems affecting my daughter would be appreciated.
Kirsten's mom


Date:    Thu, 23 May 1996 19:12:21 +0200
From:    ***@MAIL.TELEPAC.PT
Subject: HELP

Please help me!

I think I was off the list since wednesday -- have no idea why, but have
now re-subscribed. Does anyone know how I can get the messages that I

Many Thanks!

Isabel F.


Date:    Sat, 25 May 1996 14:57:47 -0700
From:    ***@EARTHLINK.NET
Subject: 97 CODE

hi, I'm really surprised that everyone is still talking about the code
changes but since they are I thought I join in again. I think what I was
trying to say was it wasn't so much the lowering of skills but what they
lowered. I agee with front tumbling being lowered I'm tired of seeing
people do that and get scores the same as the more difficult tumbling.
But a double Pike worth the same as a full in on floor. I don't think so.
And repeated skills being devauled. What about Chainey Humphrey's awesome
repetition of skills on the high bar. By the way I'm a Chainey Humphrey
fan I love him! I think they ought to have gymnast that are doing or
attemping the skills have input on what should be devauled. Who's ever
making these decisions probably have never attempted the skills before.
Many women gymnast are doing triple fulls on floor but I still think it's
a difficult skill. How about rewardind the one who touches the ceiling
when she does it. That will get rid of the fluff.
I still have to disagree about injuries. I think there's alot more
injuries in the sport you just never hear about them and the gymnasts
just secretly go on there own way.
What do you think about having the same scoring system as ice skating on
beam and floor? Divide the scoring into technical and artistic? Just an
idea. I still love gymnastics no matter which way it goes. Hi Rick.


Date:    Sat, 25 May 1996 22:07:08 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: 97 CODE

I have to agree about disliking the fact that some skills are being vauled at
the same difficutly level even though to perform some is easier than to
perform others. For example, to have a double pike and a full-in on floor
have the same rating is ridiculous.

One way to solve this would be to add new difficulty ratings. Why just have
it go up to an E level skill. I think it would be more accurate to increase
the number of skill levels, and have a more precise way of differentiating
between the level of difficulty of the skills instead of clumping them all




Date:    Sat, 25 May 1996 22:20:07 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Gymnastics

Attention college students out there! I'm looking for cool people to chat
with me about gymnastics, drop me a line :-)



Date:    Sat, 25 May 1996 23:18:54 -0400
From:    ***@GROVE.IUP.EDU
Subject: USAG Congress

Is anyone aware of hotels that still have available rooms in Boston or is there
anyone who is still looking to share costs?  Please respond to me directly.



Date:    Sat, 25 May 1996 23:24:26 -0400
From:    ***@GROVE.IUP.EDU
Subject: Non-profit gym organizations

I have been asked to advise a group that is attempting to organize a new gym
club as a non-profit organization.  I would appreciate hearing from any club
owners, coaches, lawyers, etc who may have any information about the pros and
cons as well as logistics of organizing as a non-profit.  Please e-mail me



Date:    Sun, 26 May 1996 00:33:34 -0400
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 24 May 1996 to 25 May 1996

I have some old gymnastics tapes that were recorded on Beta, but since my
Beta has long since died, the tapes have collected dust. They are from 87
and 88 for the most part and include the 87 Worlds and 88 Olympic trials
and various other meets. If anyone with a Beta could dub  them for me
onto a VHS, they could keep the Beta tapes. I would be willing to pay for
all costs and time. Thanks!


Date:    Sun, 26 May 1996 01:18:31 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 24 May 1996 to 25 May 1996

I'm one of those people who firmly believes the scoring system used in
gymnastics should be changed. When Nadia got her 10's, that should have been
the signal that the system had serious limitations. An intelligent public was
thinking the ultimate had been achieved. No room for improvement?
Since that time the scoring system (in an understatment) is unmercifully
unjust. I firmly believe the difficulty of an optional routine should be
judged in a separate catagory and added to the outcome of the former
catagories. Yes, then it would be possible to obtain a score relative to your
potential to perform more difficulty. As it stands, we are cramming more and
more difficulty into the span of those elusive final 2 tenths 9.8 vs 10.0.
It's not working folks...wake up!!!  More difficulty = higher score. Smell
the coffee!!!


Date:    Sun, 26 May 1996 16:01:06 +1000
From:    ***@OZEMAIL.COM.AU
Subject: Sweat, and stoop on

Just a coupla quick points.

In Australia, we have a show called "Sweat", which is a soap opera set at a
fictional sports academy.  Last night, the episode concentrated on
gymnastics, and included just about every cliche our sport has, including :

* the older, taller, more mature gymnast struggling to do the Comaneci
dismount from bars she once found easy,
* the smaller, younger gymnast suggesting to the media that the older
gymnast possibly suffered from an eating disorder,
* the smaller gymnast clutching her teddy bear as a security blanket, and
* the TV reporter suggesting to the head of the academy that intense
workouts stunted the growth of gymnasts, with the response being that as
soon as they retire they undergo a growth sport (Joan Ryan, where are you??!!)

I was so appalled I couldn't even wait for the credits to see who doubled
for the actors, and turned it off.

Regarding the stoop on, I think this is a coaching issue.  Yesterday I
attended a judging course which occurred concurrent with Level 5 and 6
activities testing, which I got to see most of.  Activities testing
determines whether a gymnast moves up to that level.  For both levels, a
squat or stoop onto the low bar to reach the high bar is a compulsory
element, but is clearly a preparatory move for a harder transition at Level
7 and 8.  My point being, perhaps some coaches can't get past the prep move
because it's so easy?  In any case, I'm glad the FIG has taken it out,
because there's nothing that interupts the flow of a bars routine more than
the stoop on low bar



Date:    Sun, 26 May 1996 06:06:13 GMT
From:    ***@PIPELINE.COM
Subject: Boulakhova

This may be old news to some, but for those of us new guys, does anyone
know what happened to Boulakhova? Did she fall off a cliff, or just off the
UKR team?




Date:    Sun, 26 May 1996 16:00:00 -0600
Subject: Gym on Aus TV

          Last night on 'Sweat' half of the show was focused on
          gymnastics. The show is about a sports academy and the
          athletes training there as olympic hopefuls. It was
          interesting to see gym on Tv in this way.

          One of the gymnasts at the academy, who is about 17, was
          having trouble with a bars dismount.( toe on half) She was
          frustrated because she could usually do the move fine.
          A 10 year old gymnast also at the academy was being
          interviewed by a TV station. When the item was shown on TV
          it turned out that the interviewer continued taping after
          the interview had 'finished' and the girl said some things
          about starvation diets and also revealed that some of the
          older girls had weight problems. She then let it slip that
          one girl, the state champion, hadnt had her period for
          months. All this went to air and the girl who was state
          champion (the girl at the beginning) got really upset.the
          academy also got bad press because of this.
          Later in training, Tats (state champ) wanted to prctice the
          dismount again. The coach said no and that she didn't need
          it for the upcoming state champs. Tats went ahead and did it
          and sprained her ankle on landing.
          At this point Tats was still refusing to talk to the younger
          gymnast. The coach came and gave her a talk about how she
          should have listened to her and even though she couldnt
          compete at the states because of her injury, the team still
          needed her. The coach asked her to help coach the 10 yo, and
          finally they resolved their differences.

          I really enjoyed the show for what it was. There was some
          good gymnastics in it too. Some of the acting wasn't to
          flash but at least the injury scene was no where near as bad
          as the one in "Reach for the Sky" That really is funny.....!

          Btw 'Sweat' is filmed at WAIS and the gymnastics adviser is
          Liz Chetkovich.


          Email me with any Q's or comments..


Date:    Sun, 26 May 1996 02:49:27 -0500
From:    ***@DELPHI.COM
Subject: <No subject given>

Job Offer
Mark Young at West Valley Gymnastics in Campbell Ca. asked me to put out the
word that he is looking for a compulsory coach ( Levels 5,6,7 ). Anyone
interested please give him a call at (408) 374-8692.



End of GYMN-L Digest - 25 May 1996 to 26 May 1996