GYMN-L Digest - 23 May 1996 to 24 May 1996

There are 9 messages totalling 266 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. NCAA requirements (2)
  2. bars transitions
  3. '97 FIG changes
  4. 97 code (M) - Additional Interpetations - Version 4
  5. Internet Relay Chat Instructions
  6. Gymnastics book
  7. Classifieds on USA Gymnastics Online
  8. subscribing/administration


Date:    Thu, 23 May 1996 21:16:38 EDT
Subject: NCAA requirements

Hello to all,

I was on InfoTrac at the library yesterday and found an article from the Aug. 10
1992 copy of Time magazine. In talking of the US men's team it said that NCAA
rules limit the number of hours a gymnast can train per week to 20. Does this
apply to both men and women? And is this rule still true?

The Time magazine article suggested this time limit on training is one reason
the US men did not do as well as they could in Barcelona. And, yet, in thinking
about it, 20 hours a week seems like a reasonable amount of time for training.

Also, does this rule only apply during the college year? I would hope that NCAA
gymnasts who make it to the Olympic squad are allowed to train more hours than
that in preparation for the Olympics.

As a question for Cindy and Kris, whose husbands are *career* gymnasts, about
how many hours a week do athletes like Chris, Mihai, Scott Keswick, etc. train?



Date:    Thu, 23 May 1996 20:45:31 -0600
Subject: Re: bars transitions

Thank god! I know that there are some gymnasts out there who say that they
are small and that they can't do the other transitions, but look
at tiny Mocenu. She snaps that shaposhnikova. And others, like the chinese
use that underswing straddle with hecht action which Lu Li is credited for

I thought that as soon as the stoop on was becoming abused that the only
way for UB to go was to a single bar. It seems that only a handful of
the gymnasts out there at the elite international level do ANYTHING of
substance on the low bar. I think that is what stood out so much about
Lu Li's 10 in Barcelona. She actually did something.

A few gymnasts are actually deleting moves on the low bar in favor of
just getting back on the high bar. Pods used to do a stalder blind endo
on the low bar, and Khorkina used to do stalder work. The only
gymnast I can recall actually removing the stoop on work was (the one
and only!) Dina Kotchekova who did the stoop at Worlds in 1994 but it
was gone by Goodwill. Thank you!

I know that some gymnasts will still say that they are small, but the
image of Kim Gun Suk reaching for the high bar after a glide kip
is indelible on the mind!


Dina, Dina, Dina.


Date:    Thu, 23 May 1996 21:05:49 -0600
Subject: Re: '97 FIG changes

You notice that the men have had major start value decreases. You don't
see everyone with stress fractors due to punching double fronts out of
triple backs on FX?

Gymnastics is in the process of going from the big skills to the combination
age. Devaluing skills will also incourage new move development. You
notice that one of the reasons for the 'one arm ' giant being devalued was
to curb development problems in todays youth orientated gymnastics
world. The FIG is aware of these issue and I doubt that it is spiraling to
a system where all the athletes have stress fractures. Your overexaggerating,

As Cathy Rigby once said 'I think', I can remember when 9.2 won the
Olympic games. What's wrong with a good routine getting a 9.3 whereas
it would get a 9.8 in an inflatted judging system? Inflation of scores
occurs, to me, with repeatative exposure to the skills. Look at what
happened to the layout yurchenko full situation.

If your interested in seeing good gymnastics as opposed to hearing the score
9.95 rung out over the PA system, I think you'll see that devaluing
is a good thing.


Dina, Dina, Dina.


Date:    Fri, 24 May 1996 00:19:50 +0000
From:    ***@DORSAI.ORG
Subject: 97 code (M) - Additional Interpetations - Version 4

The header says it all. Version 4 (May 21, 1996)is available from the
NGJA's web site:

Attention judges: If you wish to be listed in our email directory,
please send me a note.



Date:    Fri, 24 May 1996 00:29:38 -0400
From:    ***@GNATNET.NET
Subject: Internet Relay Chat Instructions

I'm sorry this has taken me awhile, ya'll. I've just started a new job
and things are HECTIC around here.
Okay. For those of you who don't know, IRC, Internet Relay Chat is a way
for people to chat online.  You can chat with someone privately or in a
group, called a "channel".  There are several different nets for IRC.
The three biggest are EFnet, UNDERnet, and DALnet, all three of which,
unfortunately are having major problems right now.  They are simply
growing so quickly that the people who maintain the equipment for
servers are not able to keep up.  I've been on IRC since January, and I
would honestly estimate that the total number of IRCers has at LEAST
doubled during the time I've been on.
The official channel of the Gymn Forum is #Gymn on DALnet.  You can come
to the channel at anytime to see if any fellow gymners happen to be
around, but the official chat times are Mondays at 10pm Eastern, Sundays
at 2pm Eastern, and Thursdays at 8pm Central European Time (which is 2pm


1. Download and install IRC software. A great IRC client, which is
probably the most common, is mIRC.  The latest version of mIRC is 4.1.
To download it, do a web search on mIRC and you should come up with
quite a few different websites to choose from.  A newer client, Pirch,
is probably the best of all, and I'm sure you could find it by doing a
web search.  I've never experimented with it, but I think it's a little
more complicated than mIRC, and I'm sure mIRC is adequate for beginners.

2. Connect to an IRC server.  When you download your software, there
will be a list of servers to connect to.  To connect to the Gymn chat,
pick a server in the DALnet group.  It should tell you on the list what
servers belong to what group, but if for some reason it doesn't, try or

3. Join #Gymn.  If you are using mIRC or Pirch, just type /join #Gymn
and it will bring you straight to the channel.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to email me and I'll try to get
back with you ASAP!

Happy Gymming,


Date:    Thu, 23 May 1996 18:13:56 +0000
From:    ***@ALOHA.NET
Subject: Gymnastics book

Aloha folks!

Finally got my copy of Eileen Langsley's book "Gymnastics The Art of
Sport" from the FIG.  It was well worth the wait.  This book is
"EXCELLENT"!!!!  A must see for artistic as well as rhythmic fans.
It showcases Ms. Langsley's skill as the premier photojournalist of
the sport of gymnastics.  The quotes chosen to complement the
pictures are excellent as well and range from athletes, officials,
coaches, and many more.

An inspirational work of art.  My shipment came with a complementary
copy of the FIG's magazine "World of Gymnastics".  Subscription
request is in the mail.


Date:    Thu, 23 May 1996 22:08:08 -0700
From:    ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: Re: NCAA requirements

> As a question for Cindy and Kris, whose husbands are *career* gymnasts, about
> how many hours a week do athletes like Chris, Mihai, Scott Keswick, etc.

Cindy's hard drive crashed :( But, I am sure she (as I do) would appreciate the
recognition, thank you!

Mihai trains M-F from about 9am-11am (compulsories/strength) and 2:30pm-5pm
Saturdays 2 hours, the time varies (parts).

I know that during the summers and at other times due to NCAA rules (which I
 know very
little about), Gold Cup alumni (now attending college) and University of New
 Mexico team
members train at Gold Cup.



Date:    Thu, 23 May 1996 23:22:00 MDT
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: Classifieds on USA Gymnastics Online

FYI, you can place free classified ads on USA Gymnastics Online,
on the web, between now and June 15th.  Tickets to sell, coaches
wanted, you name it.  Follow the directions on the web page:

Also, on the USAG pages I have uploaded the competitive rosters
(qualified athletes) for all men's and women's levels.  There's
almost 150 gymnasts qualified!  I don't have any stats on normal
numbers, but that seemed like lots to me.  Also on the Nashville
page are links to Knoxville stuff, such as the Yahoo! Map plotting
the location of the competition arena.



Date:    Thu, 23 May 1996 23:22:00 MDT
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: subscribing/administration

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End of GYMN-L Digest - 23 May 1996 to 24 May 1996