GYMN-L Digest - 24 Jun 1996 - Special issue

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Topics in this special issue:

  1. Trials coverage?
  2. GYMN-L Digest - 23 Jun 1996 to 24 Jun 1996
  3. Newsweek Articles
  4. Questions
  5. NYC happenings: torch, Bart&Nadia, Chelsea Pier, intro
  6. Olympic poll
  7. USA:Trials NBC coverage (2)
  8. WAG: FX Music.
  9. Nadia
 10. figurines
 11. Front and Back Giants
 12. Floor music
 13. growth plate injuries
 14. Kim Kelly Article
 15. Olympic Trials Commercial, Nadia
 17. Greasing Uneven Parallel Bars??
 18. Kelly article
 19. Gymnastics Canada Charity Golf Marathon


Date:    Mon, 24 Jun 1996 06:22:15 -0400
Subject: Trials coverage?

I've gone through the ESPN and NBC listings for this week, and can find
only one listing for Men's finals and one for Rhythmic - when is the
women's artistic and when is it being aired?

P.S. Maybe NBC had Miller and Moceanu on the commercial because they've
'already won'  ;)
--- Jeff


Date:    Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:13:49 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 23 Jun 1996 to 24 Jun 1996

In a message dated 96-06-24 06:05:10 EDT, you write:

 I read the Ladies Home Journal article on Jaycie Phleps and her family
 and I agree that it was done quite well.

 One question though, it says Jaycie will *never* perform the Yurchenko
 style vault.  Anyone know why? >>
Probably because she  is scared, and it is a hard vault to preform, I
probably wouldn't either. I have heard of so many people braking their neck
or verrtebrae or just paralyzed.


Date:    Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:16:34 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Newsweek Articles

Does anyone have a copy of the Newsweek Magazine from the week of June
I believe it said the year of the Women on the cover (about the Olympic
women) it had an article about Shannon Miller, and Dominique Moceanu. I was
unable to get it. I would be willing to pay postage and the price of the

Thanks in advance


Date:    Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:25:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Questions

>Here's a stupid question, but something I've always wondered about:  why is a
>front giant called a front giant when your swinging backwards.  Same thing
>for back giants.  I've never *done* gymnastics so there must be some
>mechanical thing I am missing.

If you ignore the bar and just look at how the body is rotating relative to the
center of gravity, you will see that a front giant rotates the same way as a
front somi.  The same holds true for a back giant.  The sensation as you rotate
around the bars is also the same (at least it was for me).  By that I mean that
a back giant feels more like back tumbling.



Date:    Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:24:48 -0400
From:    ***@FIR.FBC.COM
Subject: NYC happenings: torch, Bart&Nadia, Chelsea Pier, intro

In response to Nicole Avellina's post, I also saw the Olympic Torch when
it came by New York City.  I was at Rockefeller Center in the middle of
a crowd to the right of the stage and didn't see it until it was almost
on stage, right before they lit the bigger torch that was there.  Everyone
was cheering and in good spirits.

Last Tuesday, I had the day off and decided to drop by Macy's to check out
the special appearance by Bart and Nadia.  They were promoting the new line
of Swatch watches, whose theme is Olympic legends.  One is based on Nadia -
the watch band has some pictures of Nadia on bars and also the famous 1.00
score from '76, and costs $40.

They spoke for about 10 minutes about the Olympics and their marriage.  The
interviewer asked a question about Dominique M. (just fluff, nothing about
the stress fracture).  One interesting bit I remember is that Bart says Nadia
did not recall their initial '76 American Cup meeting where they both won
the competition.  At a photographer's request, Bart gave her a kiss on the
cheek on the awards stand but Nadia only remembered, "It was a little blond

There was a little exhibition to the theme from "Mission Impossible" by
gymnasts from Sutton Gymnastics located in NYC.  They performed handstands,
flipflops, tucks, layouts, - nothing crazy since the ceiling was not too high.
Later on, two male gymnasts did a series of circles on two mushrooms while the
others did cartwheels and walkovers.  Each gymnast was presented with a Nadia
watch autographed by both Nadia and Bart.

Afterwards, the two gave out autographed photos of themselves as well as
signed newly-bought watches and personal memorabilia.  There was quite a
sizeable crowd.  Unfortunately, I had to answer several questions such as,
"Who's the guy?"  Bart's longtime coach, Paul Ziert, was also onhand.

Thanks to the list member who posted about their appearance.  I would not
have known about it otherwise.

Chelsea Pier
Does anyone in New York know anything about the gymnastics program at
Chelsea Pier?  It's been open about a year but I hadn't actually been there
until last week.  The facilities looked great, with foam pits, spotting
belts and at least one of each apparatus.

I may as well do an intro while I'm here.  I started gymnastics in a junior
high club and joined my high school team in the Bronx in my sophomore year,
competed for a few years; competed and worked at Big Apple Games a few years,
where I met Ken Achiron, who occasionally posts here; went to Cooper Union
college which did not have a team although I started up a club there for a
year with a few mats and a mushroom.  It's been about seven years since
I've been in competitive gymnastics but I try to keep in touch through IG,
televised meets and this list.  The strength, coordination, and discipline
has definitely helped me in all the other sports I've been playing since.

- Tony


Date:    Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:41:35 -0400
Subject: Olympic poll

Hello all:

Just checked out the NBC poll pages - the question for this week

"U.S. gymnast Dominique Moceanu recently suffered a 4 inch stress fracture
in her right leg.  She will try to recover in time for the Olympic Games,
but doctors say competition could leave her with a broken leg.  However,
the olympic trails are next week and she most likely will not be able to
compete.  Do you believe she should be given an automatic berth on the U.S.
olympic team?"

First, I don't think NBC knows about the petition.

Second, I recommend you read the responses from the June 10th poll about
Dan O'Brien, they are very interesting and have some application to this
situation.  Major difference Dan was ranked #1 in the world going into
trials in 1992, and Dom M. is not in the top 3.



Date:    Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:03:20 -0400
Subject: USA:Trials NBC coverage

This is for whoever it was that wanted to know the coverage schedule for
Olympic Trials:

Artistic Gymnastics coverage
June 29 4pm - 6pm ET (live) - Men's optionals
June 30 2pm - 3pm ET (assume it will be women's comps.)
June 30 7pm - 9pm ET (live) Women's optionals

Rhythmic Gymnastics coverage
June 28 7:30 pm - 9pm ET
June 28 11:30 pm - 1am ET

Can be found at:



Date:    Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:31:56 +0000
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: Re: USA:Trials NBC coverage

> June 29 4pm - 6pm ET (live) - Men's optionals
> June 30 2pm - 3pm ET (assume it will be women's comps.)
> June 30 7pm - 9pm ET (live) Women's optionals

Yes, the 2-3pm slot is women's compulsories.

Just FYI, the two live sessions will be joining the competition in progress.
Men's actually starts at 3pm EST and women's at 5:30.

As for the past few USAG meets, I will be hosting the "Quick Hit" web pages
on USA Gymnastics Online during all of the artistic gymnastics sessions.
(Apologies to rhythmic people; results will be uploaded ASAP after each of
those sessions.) Both compulsories and optionals will be covered with "Quick
Hit" pages, which means that the latest standings and competitive highlights are
uploaded after each rotation.  I am going to try to actually upload more
often than that for Trials, so keep your fingers crossed! The feedback to
Quick Hit has been fantastic--thanks for everyone's "thanks".

The address directly to the Trials homepage is:

> Can be found at:

Small typo:

(no 's' on olympic.).



Date:    Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:44:15 -0600
Subject: WAG: FX Music.

The Best:

Natalia Shaposhnikova, Davidova, and Filatova's 1980 pieces.
Szabo's 1984 piece (worked for me).
Shushunova's 1986 World Cup medaly
Bogi's 1988 work
Zmeskal's 1991 'In the Groove' (It really worked for her and the
timing of the three whips to a double tuck *with* the music is a real
Miller's 1992 - 1994 routine (Again, she could sell it)
Kotchekova's 1994 Worlds routine. (no wonder why she became world
Chutsovitina's 1994 piece. (This is the best example of music for
a gymnast who can't really dance. It went straight into the
tumbling and emphasized that- not her choreography. Alot of
choreographers could take lessons for those gymnasts who aren't really
dancers but more tumblers.)


Anything Kristie Phillips jumped about to during 1987- 1988 (perticularly that
mess at USA vs. USSR in 1988.

That stupid phone ringing routine that Pauca did in LA '84.

Mary Lou Retton's 1985 American/Karloyi Cup Music (hint: see last of the

Most of the things Moceanu 'jumps about to' now!

Oh yes: Add one more 'good piece': Milo's Godl medal routine in Barcelona.
Again, it worked for her so well, feed into her tumbling, and she got the
most out of it (and I would say that the FX gold in an Olympics and a 10.0
is the most you can get out of FX Music!)


Dina, Dina, pray your knee heala!


Date:    Mon, 24 Jun 1996 07:54:11 -0700
From:    ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: Nadia


        For those of you interested or for those of you who live in Ohio,
Nadia Commaneci is coming to the Kenwood mall Tuesday from 6:30-9:00
and she is going to do a routine. Thought y all might want to know!!!!
If anyone wants more details, it was in the Cincinnati Enquirer, or you
can just email us. We unfortunatly wont be able to go because we have
gymnastics classes from 6:30-8:00 and the mall is far away from us. :(
Maybe next time :(

M & M  :)


Date:    Mon, 24 Jun 1996 07:55:11 -0700
From:    ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: figurines


        While we were shopping today we saw Olympic Hero figurines.  We
looked at the back of one of the boxes and the sell Olga Korbut and
Nadia Commaneci ones.  I think they are both on beam and I know Olga
was doing a handstand and Nadia was too.  Anyways, they are $7.50 each
where we saw them and I think you could probably find them at most toy
        Well, Bye for now!!!!!!!!
M & M :)


Date:    Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:12:23 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Front and Back Giants

In a message dated 96-06-24 06:05:08 EDT, Tim Cross writes:

>Here's a stupid question, but something I've always wondered about:  why is
>front giant called a front giant when your swinging backwards.  Same thing
>for back giants.  I've never *done* gymnastics so there must be some
>mechanical thing I am missing.

The reason is that in a front giant your body rotates the same direction as
it does in a front flip and the same for a back giant.



Date:    Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:31:30 +0100
From:    ***@ASUCLA.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Floor music

Mitova anyone?


Date:    Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:38:08 -0400
Subject: growth plate injuries


I know everyone is caught up in olympic fever, but any opinions.  I sent
this out a week ago, and suspect it got caught in some mail problems locally.
My daughter has been working hard at maintaining flexibility, and practicing
beam skills, but she is concerned that I will make her take a year off or
quit entirely (more for social reasons than anything else).


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>From sheris Wed Jun 19 11:47:13 1996
Subject: growth plate injuries

My ten year old is supposed to be competing level 5 open next season (after
a fun but not outstanding 5 novice year).  In Feb she started complaining
about her wrists, but since she has a ganglion cyst and her pediatrician said
the other one shows a little insignificant soft tissue swelling, we ignored it.
Well I had her at a sports doctor looking over her ankles and her wrists
(she twisted both ankles right before her dance recitals).  He said the
ankles were fine, take some ibuprofen, and have fun at the recital.  However
he xrayed both wrists, and said there is growth plate injury in both wrists,
take three weeks off the wrists and come back...

Well, she is working on week one of no bars, no vault, and no tumbling.  She
is doing tramp, beam (no hands), and floor (dance, leaps, aerials).  However,
I am of the opinion that she may have to give up competitive gymn, she just is
not genetically as strong as the other girls on team.  She will be devastated,
but bars are hard for her anyway, and now she will be taking a month off
(at least), and I am not willing to risk bone development on a sport.

SO am I being overprotective?  Do any of you coaches or parents out there
have any experience in dealing with this?  Knowing that this growth plate
injury happened in February, could resolving it actually help her bars?
DO these things actually really heal?  Is her lack of upper body strength
be partially responsible?



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Date:    Mon, 24 Jun 1996 12:19:00 EDT
From:    ***@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Subject: Kim Kelly Article

As some of you know, I live in the Lehigh Valley of PA, about 15 minutes
away from Parkettes.  The local paper ran a rather lengthy and in-depth
article about Kim Kelly.  In it, she gives her opinions about the trials
(both '92 and '96) tells about some incidents and college, along with
some other stuff.  Although it is very Pro-Kim (being told from her
point of view, obviously) I found it rather interesting and surprisingly
thorough.  If any of you want a copy of the article (over e-mail) please
send a little note saying you'd like me to foward it to you to this

The article also mentions that NBC followed her around for a day this
years and is going to have a segment about her during their broadcast of

One last thing--most of us really don't like Amanar's new floor music
(the techno-Nutcracker thing) but I was watching old tapes and Kristie
Phillips used the same music for her 1986 (I think) floor.  Go figure.

I really liked Kerri Strug's routine that she had on floor for '93 when
she was at Dynamo's.  I think it suited her style better than any of her
other routines.

Between Strug, Larissa Fontaine, Chelle Stack, and Jamie Martini, I
think we have every gym in the US covered.  Maybe they could all get
together and help USAG with the coaching techniques...

:) Joy


Date:    Mon, 24 Jun 1996 12:24:49 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Olympic Trials Commercial, Nadia

Hi Everyone!
Ok, first, when I was watching the diving trials (since I've gotten my
tickets and travel stuff for Atlanta, I've been obsessed! I'll watch, read or
buy practically anything that has to do with the Olympics) there was an ad
for the gymnastics trials, and it showed Dominique Dawes, Jaycie Phelps,
Kerri Strug and I think also Amanda Borden. I guess someone finally did their
homework and checked to see who was actually competing....

I didn't get to go to see Nadia and Bart at Macy's this past week, but I went
to see Nadia in February at Lord and Taylor. She was there promoting Danskin.
She performed a little on the beam and floor and signed autographs. Did she
and Bart perform themselves this time? I had a really good spot, right in
from of the beam, and although she only did simple moves, (I think the most
difficult thing she did was a back walkover) she had her legendary perfect
form, beautiful lines and, well, perfection. She's beautiful to watch,
especially so close. It was such a thrill to see the gymnast I idolized when
I was young, right in front of me. Paul Ziert was there with her and when I
got up there to get her autograph, and he wouldn't shut up! All I wanted to
do was say one or two sentences to Nadia, like what an influence she was for
me, the usual stuff, and I barely got to. He started talking when I showed up
there with an old IG for her to sign, and asked me how long I've been getting
it, etc. I started to tell Nadia how I had the picture she was signing for me
(THE floor pose) in a poster when I was little and now Paul couldn't believe
I was old enough to remember Nadia when she competed. (I'm 24 but look about
17, especially when I'm not dressed up in my teacher outfits). He went on
saying how then gymnastics has been good to me.(I should have showed him my
permanently swollen ankle and cracked my back for him) Anyway, it was a great
experience, and I hesitated to post about it then, because I know it seems
cheesy to go see the greatest gymnast sell bodysuits. I've been to baseball
card shows where you have to buy something, they are mean to you, they shoo
you away after 2 seconds, but this was not like that at all. Besides, who
ever thought then that you would someday be able to see an Olympic champion,
especially one from Romania and go up and talk to her ? Anyway, I'm sorry
 this is so long, I didn't plan for it to be................Ellen


Date:    Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:46:48 -0600

1) I would like to thank Beth for the Update on the Belorussian and Russian
world of gymnastics. (Like the info about Dina's leg injury, particularly.)

2) Anyone else see there system as the 'way to go' for tema selection? I don't
doubt what they do is harsh, but it seems that they are looking for results.
I do doubt, that regardless of their talent, any former USSR nation will
be atop the platform when the chalk settles. Thus, ending a dynasty of
sorts in both the men and women's gymnastics history.

3) This is kind of an aside, but I was wondering what will happen to Russian
athletics (not that it's a high priority compared to other problems in the
country) if the system went back to communism? There was talk of rebuilding
the round lake facilities. Anyone know what is up with them? Are they state
controlled again, or privatized?


Dina, Dina, I hope your knee heal-a.


Date:    Mon, 24 Jun 1996 13:37:10 -0400
From:    ***@AIX1.UOTTAWA.CA
Subject: Greasing Uneven Parallel Bars??

Our bars at the YM/YWCA have to be set up and taken down each time there
is a class which has become increasingly more difficult to do.  It appears
as though the bars themselves need lubrication of some kind so that they
will slide into the standards somewhat easier.

Is this possible??  Has anyone had to do this before?  What did you use?

I'm afraid the maintenance guys will go ahead and grease them up with
whatever they have on hand even though it could be the wrong thing and
have potentially dangerous results.

Thanks in advance.



Date:    Mon, 24 Jun 1996 16:30:00 EDT
From:    ***@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Subject: Kelly article

Sorry about the confusion about the Kim Kelly article.  I was trying to
say that if you want me to send you the article, send me a note to my
compuserve address, which is where I do all my other mail stuff.  My
address on compuserve is ***  Sorry again.  :)


Date:    Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:39:11 +0600
From:    ***@COGNOS.COM
Subject: Gymnastics Canada Charity Golf Marathon

June 24, 1996

Dear GYMN Friends,

Gymnastics Canada Gymnastique is conducting a Golf Marathon on July 8,
1996 as a send off for the Canadian
Olympic Gymnastics Team in their quest for excellence at the Olympic
Games in Atlanta, Georgia.  I will be
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Gymnast Alan Nolet, who will be
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You can help Gymnastics Canada with a pledge of $1.00, $2.00, $5.00 or
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I personally have been active this year in supporting Gymnastics Canada
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