GYMN-L Digest - 23 Apr 1996 to 24 Apr 1996 - Special issue

There are 20 messages totalling 668 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

1. Three way International
2. Medalling Nations at Event Worlds.
3. Training for young gymnasts
4. media bashing on GYM (long)
5. Suk
6. Gymn Troubles Suggestion (2)
7. Hansen (3)
8. Eligiblity
9. NCAA (3)
10. GYMN-L Collegiate Update v. 1, no. 29
11. NCAA (fwd)
12. how do I...?
13. EUROPEANS
14. Worlds Web Page Updated
15. GYMN-L Digest - 22 Apr 1996 to 23 Apr 1996

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:53:24 +0100
From: ***@DURHAM.AC.UK
Subject: Three way International

As part of Eurofest 96. Newcastle and the
North of England Gymnastics Association
are holding a Sports Acrobatics Three Way International
Between Bulgaria, Ukraine and Great Britain.

The Date 16th June 1996

The Venue Newcastle Arena

Brilliant offers on tickets for groups

for more information

Contact Eric Williams on 0191 374 7439
0191 374 7434 fax
0191 374 7430 minicom


PS Thanks for the scores Sherwin!"

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:32:42 +0100
From: ***@LMU.AC.UK
Subject: Medalling Nations at Event Worlds.

In looking at the results from the Event Worlds, it is interesting to see
the number of nations that achieved medal positions. The total dominance
of the former U.S.S.R. nations is beginning to show a decline as other
nations, previously not noted as major forces in gymnastics, are now achieving
world medals. Nine nations won medals in the Men's competitions, these
being : Belarus - 1 gold, 1 silver, 1 bronze, Russia - 1 gold, 1 silver, 2
bronze, Ukraine - 1 gold, 1 bronze, Korea - 1 gold, 1 silver, Suisse - 1
silver, Italy - 1 gold, 1 bronze, Bulgaria - 2 silver, Hungary - 1 bronze,
Spain - 1 gold. Half of the medals went to former U.S.S.R. nations. The
other medals being spread among six nations.
In the women's competitions, eight nations won medals, these being :
Romania, 2 golds, 2 silvers, 1 bronze, Cuba - 1 bronze, Russia - 2 golds,
Belarus - 1 gold, France - 1 bronze, China - 1 silver, 1 bronze, U.S.A. -
1 bronze, Ukraine - 1 bronze. A third of the medals went to former
U.S.S.R. nations, with Romania still proving itself to be a strong force.

The number of different nations represented in the finals is also an
interesting factor. Sixteen in the men's competitions and eleven in the
women's. It seems that we are definately seeing the end of an era in
gymnastics domination of former U.S.S.R. nations, and can look forward to
seeing new styles of gymnasts from other nations.

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 07:24:20 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Training for young gymnasts

In a message dated 96-04-23 06:04:29 EDT, you write:

>My question is regarding training hours. My daughter is 6 and is doing
>gymnastics for 2 years now. She is training 10 hours a week during winter
>and 12 during summer. I will like to know from other parents and coaches
>what is the trend for that age. How many hours of training in other clubs?

Is your daughter enjoying herself? Or is your situation one where the club
has approached you with "your daughter is a natural" in order to get that
additional revenue with your daughters training schedule??

As far as the trend - it's pretty clear... they are alll after the fees, I
(being an ex-gymnast) took my 4 year old to start her gymnastics classes and
within the same hour I got the "pitch". It's a little sickening.... but I
didn't take the bait... my little girl goes for an hour a week for now - I
would guess 6 hours a week is enough MWF couple of hours a day - the every
other day routine gives the little bodies a chance to recover.

MM

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:14:06 -0500
From: ***@MAIL.COIN.MISSOURI.EDU
Subject: Re: media bashing on GYM (long)

This post raised some good points, but to keep my arguments brief, I will
say that while it is true that there may be connections to Oprah's show
and a possible decline in gymnastics club membership, I don't think that
it is right to say that it _will_ happen.

Oprah's show, if you wish to even consider it "journalism", is what you
called it, tabloid journalism. It is not the kind of journalism that I,
and probably many others here on Gymn, strive to do. As someone once said,
"Don't let one bad apple spoil the whole bunch." We all know that there
are many bad apples out there that have the possibility of doing this
sport harm (i.e. A Current Affair, Oprah, etc., etc.). But there are
those in the field, like myself, that would like nothing more than to
elevate this sport to levels previously unmet. Shows like Oprah have a
preset agenda about how the "topic" will go, good or bad. This is not
journalism.

--Michael :)

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:37:24 EST
From: ***@MAIL.FIRN.EDU
Subject: Suk

Speaking of Kim Guang Suk, will she be in Atlanta, or has she
retired?

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:13:44 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Gymn Troubles Suggestion

Hello Everyone,

I came up with a suggestion after reading Rachele's message about the
membership of this list being close to a 1000 people now, and the number is
growing with the Olympics drawing near. There are a few dedicated posters
who regularly start discussions, post results, give advice, etc., but where
are the rest of us? Maybe we could each take a post and introduce ourselves
once again to the group. I'll go first:

I am Kris, a former L10 (Class I - tells you I am OLD!) gymnast from SCATS,
in California. I am married to Mihai, US national team member, and Olympic
hopeful. I have been subscribing to Gymn-L since December...I appreciate the
helpful information that is passed along here (especially the results of
meets that I don't get to see in person), as well as the interesting debates,
and sometimes the flame wars (I have met some interesting members during
these!).

...Next...! :) Kris

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:02:36 EST
From: ***@MAIL.FIRN.EDU
Subject: Hansen

Did Jenny Hansen make it to the all-around at NCAA's?
Gary

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:22:08 -0500
From: ***@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
Subject: Re: Hansen

Yes, Jenny Hansen made it, as did teammate Robin Ewing. Hansen is
the number three seed, and will be competing with Utah, I think.
Ewing is the number five seed, competing with Arizona.

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:18:16 EST
From: ***@MAIL.FIRN.EDU
Subject: Re: Hansen

Does anyone know if and when the NCAA competition will be aired on
television?
Gary

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:39:44 -0400
From: ***@ZEUS.TOWSON.EDU
Subject: Eligiblity

This is regarding the eligiblity of athletes of N Korea. When
the IOC and the Atlanta Organizing Committe got N Korea to agree to
attend Atlanta so it could be a full Olympics (every country that is
affliated with IOC attends), they made a deal that they would get N Korea
in to the games. This was suppossed to occur in six different sports
including gymnastics. The IOC would apply pressure to the different
International bodys. What became of this I don't know.

Mikester Bee

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:33:18 EDT
From: ***@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
Subject: NCAA

Since the NCAA (womens) championships are coming up this weekend,
it reminded me of a couple of questions I've always been curious about
regarding the championship.

-- Why is it that during the regular season a gymnast is allowed to
do the same vault (I think) twice and then only count the best score
while during the finals of the NCAA's she has to average the two scores
together as well as doing two different vaults. Why isn't this
done during the regular season as well?

-- Also, a couple of weeks ago I was watching a meet between UCLA
(at least, I think it was UCLA) and some other teams. During
the floor, the gymnasts only completed two passes instead of
the normal three that I've seen at meets. The announcer said
that was OK but at the NCAA's the gymnast would have to do
three passes. Is this true and, once again, why would the
gymnast do one thing during the regular season and then have
to do something else during the NCAA's.

It just seems confusing to me but then....I've confused a lot of the
time. :-)

Beth-

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:15:55 -0700
From: ***@LELAND.STANFORD.EDU
Subject: GYMN-L Collegiate Update v. 1, no. 29

Sorry it's actually a day late. It occurred to me earlier today that the
West Regional qualifiers for the men had not yet been reported, so I
thought it would be helpful to summarize both of the fields.

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GYMN-L's Collegiate Update
Volume 1, no. 29
Apr. 22, 1996
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Contents:

1. NCAA Qualifiers (M)
2. NCAA Qualifiers (W)

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*****Item number 1.29.1*****

Date: 22 Apr, 1996
From: ***@leland.stanford.edu
Subject: NCAA Qualifiers (M)

Here is the complete list of NCAA qualifiers for the men:
(East Qualifiers Supplied by Mayland.)

Method of qualification, as near as I can tell:
1) Top three teams from each region
2) Top three all-arounders from each region not on a qulifying team
3) Top three event finishers from each region not meeting 1) or 2)

Team Qualifiers
Ohio State 231.07 E
Iowa 230.60 E
California 230.475 W
Stanford 228.500 W
Oklahoma 227.375 W
Penn State 225.30 E

All Around
Darren Elg 57.375 W BYU
Bill Mulholland 56.725 W Nebraska
Ethan Sterk 56.000 E Michigan State
Jason Christie 56.550 W Nebraska
Kenny Sykes 55.500 E Temple
Yuval Ayalon 55.500 E Illinois

Floor Exercise
Shannon Welker 9.850 E Ill.-Chicago
Ofri Porat 9.825 E Syracuse
Tim DeGraw 9.700 E Western Michigan
Don Kinison 9.600 W Nebraska
Brian Rizzoll 9.525 W Air Force
Garrett Donahue 9.500 W San Jose State

Pommel Horse
Marshall Nelson 9.825 W Nebraska
Jeff Kraft 9.825 E Western Michigan
Kendall Schiess 9.750 W New Mexico
Sam Smith 9.675 E Michigan State
Ryan McEwen 9.675 W Nebraska
Steve Marshall 9.675 E Army

Still Rings
Ted Harris 9.850 W Nebraska
Scott McCall 9.825 E William & Mary
Ofri Porat 9.675 E Syracuse
Chris Golden 9.675 E James Madison University
Kenzo Kushimura 9.625 W BYU
Lateef Crowder 9.450 W New Mexico

Vault
Ofri Porat 9.450 E Syracuse
C. Harrington 9.400 E Minnesota
Scott Hrnack 9.350 E Syracuse
Gary Thagard 9.250 W New Mexico
Don Kinison 9.200 W Nebraska
Blaz Puljic 9.150 W New Mexico

Parallel Bars
Gary Thagard 9.700 W New Mexico
Blaz Puljic 9.650 W New Mexico
Tim Gergen 9.650 W New Mexico
Steve Bello 9.400 E Michigan State
Shannon Welker 9.400 E Ill.-Chicago
Robert Flannery 9.350 E Navy

Horizontal Bar
Greg McGlaun 9.875 E Illinois
Carl Imhauser 9.825 E Temple
Shane Evangelist 9.775 W New Mexico
Tim Gergen 9.750 W New Mexico
Shannon Welker 9.675 E Ill.-Chicago
Marshall Nelson 9.650 W Nebraska

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*****Item number 1.29.2*****

Date: 22 Apr, 1996
From: ***@leland.stanford.edu
Subject: NCAA Qualifiers (W)

(Originally supplied by Liza)
Yes, this is a re-run, but for the sake of completeness, I thought it best
to include both men's and women's in this issue.

Method of Qualification:
1) Winning team from each regional
2) Next 7 highest-scoring teams
3) Top all-arounder from each region not on a qualifying team
4) Next 7 highest-scoring all-arounders not meeting 1) 2) or 3)
5) Individuals who meet ALL of the following criteria:
a) Do not qualify by virtue of 1) - 4)
b) Regional event champion
c) Score 9.800 or higher at regional meet

Teams:

1. Alabama C 198.100
2. Georgia SE 196.950
3. Utah MW 196.675
4. Michigan C 196.275
5. Arizona MW 195.750
6. UCLA W 195.450
7. Florida SE 195.375
8. Nebraska MW 195.300
9. Oregon St. W 195.000
10. BYU MW 194.925
11. Stanford W 194.700
12. Penn St. NE 193.650


All-Around:

1. Meagan Wright, ASU MW 39.350
2. Katie Freeland, ASU MW 39.200
3. Jenny Hansen, Kentucky SE 39.175
4. Kristin Quackenbush, West Virginia SE 39.175
5. Robin Ewing, Kentucky SE 39.125
6. Sarah Mikrut, Ball State C 39.125
7. Jennifer Wood, LSU C 39.100
8. Carolyn Hecht, Michigan St. C 39.100
9. Tiffany Simpson, Washington W 39.100
10. Shannon Gallagher, Kent NE 39.025
11. Shelly Stambaugh, Kent NE 39.000
12. Erin Gannon, Auburn C 38.975


Individual event qualifier:
Susan Eckman, Ohio St. (bars) NE 9.950

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:01:58 -0400
From: ***@MOOSE.UVM.EDU
Subject: Re: NCAA

Are you sure that the NCAA gymnasts have to do three tumbling passes at
nationals? I remember last year Aimee Trepanier of Utah did only two
tumbling passes. Is it a new rule?

Jen

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:07:50 EDT
From: ***@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
Subject: Re: NCAA (fwd)

Jennifer said:

>Are you sure that the NCAA gymnasts have to do three tumbling passes at
>nationals? I remember last year Aimee Trepanier of Utah did only two
>tumbling passes. Is it a new rule?

I might have misunderstood what the announcer said. That's why I'm
curious as to what the rules are regarding this matter. It just didn't
seem logical that a gymnast would practice a routine for the regular
season, then have to turn around and do something different for the
NCAA's.

Beth-

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:28:07 -0700
From: ***@LELAND.STANFORD.EDU
Subject: Re: NCAA

At 02:33 PM 4/23/96 EDT, you wrote:
>Since the NCAA (womens) championships are coming up this weekend,
>it reminded me of a couple of questions I've always been curious about
>regarding the championship.
>
>-- Why is it that during the regular season a gymnast is allowed to
> do the same vault (I think) twice and then only count the best score
> while during the finals of the NCAA's she has to average the two scores
> together as well as doing two different vaults. Why isn't this
> done during the regular season as well?

I think that's the way it is at most competitions at all levels. This
requirement is only put in place at one session at one meet each year for
collegians (and since it's officially a team sport--unlike men's--it's in
theory the least important night of competition). Until event finals,
duplication is allowed and the best vault is taken. NCAA event finals are
actually even less restrictive than at most meets, where the two vaults must
be from two different families. With a few notable exceptions, the two
vaults at NCAA's are HS front tuck with a half (10.0) and either HS front
pike (10.0) or HS front tuck (9.9). Last year, Leah Brown did HS front half
piked and tucked, Jenny Hansen did HS front half and HS front full(!), both
tucked. I can only recall one gymnast (I think it was ASU's Katie Freeland)
who did two families: HS front half tucked and (I believe) Layout Tsuk full.

>
>-- Also, a couple of weeks ago I was watching a meet between UCLA
> (at least, I think it was UCLA) and some other teams. During
> the floor, the gymnasts only completed two passes instead of
> the normal three that I've seen at meets. The announcer said
> that was OK but at the NCAA's the gymnast would have to do
> three passes. Is this true and, once again, why would the
> gymnast do one thing during the regular season and then have
> to do something else during the NCAA's.

I think by "have to do" the announcer meant that the judges would be more
critical of two-pass exercises at NCAA's. I think only two passes are
required, even at the elite level, so there wouldn't be a mandatory
deduction. However, it is difficult to get the required bonus with two, and
the judges would probably (at least subconsciously) expect a higher level of
execution from such a routine. (Like Amy Trepanier's from last year.) :)

Please don't flame me if any of this information is incorrect. I reserve
the right to be wrong. :)

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:29:36 -0700
From: ***@ECST.CSUCHICO.EDU
Subject: Re: Gymn Troubles Suggestion

> Hello Everyone,
>
> I came up with a suggestion after reading Rachele's message about the
> membership of this list being close to a 1000 people now, and the number is
> growing with the Olympics drawing near. There are a few dedicated posters
> who regularly start discussions, post results, give advice, etc., but where
> are the rest of us? Maybe we could each take a post and introduce ourselves
> once again to the group.

Okay... Hi, I'm Karen... I've never participated (beyond learning
cartwheels and cherry drops at the local park and rec district's classes
when I was in elementary school)... but I really enjoy watching... I
joined this list because I want to know more than what the local paper
prints because it has some space to be filled....


Karen

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:16:30 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: how do I...?

I no longer want the mailings from Gymn digest. I have quit Rhythmic
gymnastics and I would like nothing more to do with it. how do I discontinue
this sevice? Thanks, Grace Fauls

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:29:28 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: EUROPEANS

WIth there be a team event with this meet or was that already held?

Jeff


P.S. 27 y.o, male, ex gymnast, chemist (PhD), working at Purdue in Indiana,

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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 01:28:54 -0400
From: ***@CAPITALNET.COM
Subject: Worlds Web Page Updated

I'm so happy that y'all are enjoying the Worlds coverage. It was a great
experience and a lot of fun. I highly recommend Puerto Rico as a vacation
spot -- great golfing, 25-cent city bus fares, no sales tax, clear skies,
clean water, and most of all charming, friendly people! And when you can
see some excellent gymnastics, all the better!

Someone (Jeff?) asked if they were bidding for the 2004 Olympics: Yep!
Along with Capetown and Rio de Janeiro. FIG Prez Yuri Titov recommends
"without remarks" to the IOC that San Juan is ready to host Olympic
gymnastics.

I have added a few photos and complete results of Preliminaries on my web
page, accessible via http://www.capitalnet.com/~chiug/cangym.html

In the next day or so, I can elaborate a bit more on the Atlanta Olympic
"wild card" situation for artistic gymnastics and have the draw sheets for
artistic and rhythmics. Let me know if you want know what the draw is for
your particular country.

Regards,

Grace

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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 02:56:41 -0500
From: ***@DELPHI.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 22 Apr 1996 to 23 Apr 1996


TAKE ME OFF OF THIS LIST!!

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