GYMN-L Digest - 22 Jul 1996 - Special issue

There are 25 messages totalling 618 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. Oz women
  2. weight problem?
  3. olympics internet ???
  4. USA WAG All Around results?
  5. Kim Zmeskal on Houston radio station this morning
  6. Chow tidbits; Strug quote
  7. Olympic Glory....
  8. Cdn Men's Optionals
  9. Mo Huilan and Li Xiaoshuang
 10. Predictions for US AA'ers?!? (2)
 11. WAG--NBC--Save me! I can't take it!
 12. Who's taping CBC/SRC?
 13. WAG and MAG (3)
 14. men's team/men's team final?
 15. Opening Cerems
 16. John Tesh
 17. another onodi?
 18. weight problem. (2)
 19. 1988 Olympians
 20. O: MAG Team Results
 21. SPOILER - Men's Team Results


Date:    Mon, 22 Jul 1996 13:33:15 -0400
Subject: Oz women

While SRC is breaking to show Seinfeld (dubbed in French -- George sounds
pretty funny), I'll put up the women's compulsory scores for my Australian

#10 Team 46.574, 47.099, 46.086, 47.086 = 186.845

#37 Lisa Skinner 9.200, 9.550, 9.287, 9.500 = 37.537
#47 Ruth Moniz 8.950, 9.487, 9.275, 9.400 = 37.112 (Hey.. 0.001 ahead of
Jennifer Exaltacion!)
#52 Joanna Hughes 9.525, 8.962, 8.950, 9.537 = 36.974
#62 Jennyfer Smith 9.362, 8.687, 9.012, 9.212 = 36.273
#86 Lisa Moro no vault, 9.675, 9.312, 9.437
#90 Kirsty-Leigh Brown 9.275, 9.425, 9.200, no floor
#101 Nicole Kantek 9.212, no bars, no beam, 9.012

You might be happy to know  that CBC showed an Australian gymnast
yesterday, though I don't recall who it was (not Hughes, not Moniz), but
will try to find out.




Date:    Mon, 22 Jul 1996 13:48:54 -0400
Subject: Re: weight problem?

Kovacs asked why female Olympians gain weight after the Olympics.
THe answer seems simple to me.  The weight at which a gymnast
is most competitive for a single meet is ofetn lighter than the
weight at which she is healthiest and happiest.  My teammates and
I often kept our weight extremely low during competitive season but
gained weight (briefly) afterward.  I know I gained weight after
I left the sport--I was clearly healthier overall with an extra ten
pounds, but that weight would have slowed me down too much while
I was a gymnast.

Why would anyone want to maintain a two figure (pounds, not kilos)
weight when she doesn't have to?



Date:    Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:49:49 -0700
Subject: olympics internet ???

is there a sight where one can look at a specific country and what events
they're competing...

also, there' was mention of one egyptian gymnast, I was wondering when
he/she would compete, and how they would qualify for stuff like AA, or
individual events, he/she competing now in a mixed team, and then
they have to be in top 36 or whatever it is to qualify? just wondering...


Date:    Mon, 22 Jul 1996 14:25:44 -0400
From:    ***@GROVE.IUP.EDU
Subject: USA WAG All Around results?

I've seen Canada and Australia listed, how about the USA?

Also, anyone know when NBC will air more WAG?


Date:    Mon, 22 Jul 1996 13:21:25 -0500
From:    ***@MARLIN.UTMB.EDU
Subject: Kim Zmeskal on Houston radio station this morning

A local radio station here in Houston interviewed Kim Zmeskal this
morning (via telephone from Atlanta).  She is staying in the same "dorms"
as the olympic team.  Since it's a Houston station, they stuck to
questions about the Houston gymnasts (Kerri and Dom M).

They asked her why Tim Daggett puts down the gymnasts so much in his
comments and said "Let's see him do better".  Kim said that
they (the gymnasts) pretty much turn the sound off when they watch and
ignore the commentary.

Kim talked about how she felt more nervous yesterday as a spectator
rooting for the team then she did as an actual competitor.  She talked
about how emotional she was after Kerri's floor routine.

The DJ's asked about Dom (since she's also from Houston) and Kim said
that she thought Dom was pretty much healed.  She talked to her yesterday
and Dom said that it wasn't really bothering her much anymore.

They asked about Kim's boyfriend.  She said he was going to join her in
Atlanta on Friday.

That's all I can remember right now.  I'll post more if anything else
comes to mind.


Date:    Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:47:00 PDT
From:    ***@CCM.FM.INTEL.COM
Subject: Chow tidbits; Strug quote

(a post from the nether regions of the digest)

A few tidbits from the San Jose Merc that I didn't see posted:

Amy Chow will not compete optional floor or beam.  Chow had also changed her
floor music last Friday due a letter received protesting her choice of music.

It appears that not competing in the AA will not affect her ability to compete
in Event Finals, if she qualifies (relating to a question posted earlier).

Also, a quote from Kerri Strug:  ''It's a lot different than Barcelona. It's
more like a team.''


A few comments (couldn't resist) that you can skip:

Thanks to all who are posting comments from attending the competitions.

Congrats to the US men and women for an outstanding competition thus far.


Date:    Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:37:30 -0700
From:    ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: Olympic Glory....

                            Hi Everyone!!!! I am very excited to see
all of the gymnastics on tv!!!!

                            I hope that the US will do well in the team
final. I really want them to win. I also hope that if they do, I will
not read posts about how overscored they were. I hope that, instead, I
will read posts congratulating them. Enuff said.

                            I have to point out though, that the
Russians look grossly thin. I am very scared for these girls. They seem
very happy but also, very underweight.

                            Moceanu and Miller look great. Kerri Strug
looked really awesome last night. I'm glad that she's finally getting
some recogniton. I ahve to wonder though, who will make the all around
finals. I'm not sure who will any more. I do hope that Dom Dawes makes
it because this will be her last competion. I wonder if Miller will
continue after the Olympics. She hinted that she would but that was a
while ago. Does anyone have any info?

                            Well, that's all for now....



Date:    Mon, 22 Jul 1996 16:23:00 -0300
From:    ***@CCN.CS.DAL.CA
Subject: Cdn Men's Optionals

Well the word disasterous comes to mind...Here's what I caught from CBC's

Alan Nolet

PH: 8.925
Rings: 9.250
V: 9.225
PB: 8.525
FX: 9.150
HB: 8.800

Nolet started out ok on the pommel horse but his performance really
declined. His rings routine was good, and he sticks his landing on the
full twisting double layout. On high bar he falls off after having both
hands on the bar after a release, steps out of bounds on his last pass on
FX and falters on PB. Somewhat Happily though his sukahara full twist on
vault got a 9.225, and he gets a move on PB's named after him. He
faletered on this move, and I didn't see it correctly but it took the
whole length of the bars.

Other scores: Burley's pb routine scored a 9.175 (solid landing on double
pike dismount), his high bar score was low after he fell, 7.975, his
yurchenko half on front pike vault scored a 9.475.

Ikeda's scores weren't much better, a 9.075 on vault and 7.475 on high bar
after falling off.

In an interveiw with Canadian commentator Scott Russell, Alan Nolet
stated that his best memories of his career includ last year's Subway
Challenge and the Commonwealth Games. It's been said that a shoulder
injury could have him in surgery after these games.

        Guessing that's it for our Cdn men, Lisa


Date:    Mon, 22 Jul 1996 12:24:44 +0100
From:    ***@ASUCLA.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Mo Huilan and Li Xiaoshuang

I have a feeling the Chinese government will find new jobs for these two
working on the railroad in a rural province.

I love them both and almost cried when Li's hand went through the ring.


Date:    Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:40:01 -0400
Subject: Predictions for US AA'ers?!?

I personally think that Strug, Miller, and Dawes are the strongest to
represent the US in the AA, and I just wanted to know who everyone else
thinks will be there.  I truly like Moceanu, but I think that these 3 are
more consistent and stronger!  Please respond!


Date:    Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:02:53 -0300
From:    ***@CCN.CS.DAL.CA
Subject: Re: Predictions for US AA'ers?!?

On Mon, 22 Jul 1996, Shirley wrote:

> I personally think that Strug, Miller, and Dawes are the strongest to
> represent the US in the AA, and I just wanted to know who everyone else
> thinks will be there.  I truly like Moceanu, but I think that these 3 are
> more consistent and stronger!  Please respond!
> LeeAnne
        Strug has it going on; she's got Olympic experience, she's got
determination and when I think of Kerri I don't think of a gymnast who
relies on her coach to be at her side. But she's got 2 there with her.
She's been quoted as saying that she's feels that they're team this time,
and I am guessing...speculating...from her big smiles, waves and comments
she's enthusiatistic. Her performance in compulsories can serve as a good
confidence booster - I thought she was amazing on the floor :)
        Millar is just a great gymnast. I don't particularly like the
ballerina/violin-ish type stuff but I can't deny that's she an excellent
gymnast with as much going for herself as anyone else. Lisa

Feel free to debate....debate not flame (though I don't have control over
that...)....but please send flames in private, list is busy enough. Lisa


Date:    Mon, 22 Jul 1996 16:56:50 -0400
From:    ***@KENT.NET
Subject: Re: WAG--NBC--Save me! I can't take it!

Consider yourselves lucky!  NBC seems to be showing a lot more gymnastics
than SRC/CBC.  I am taping SRC/CBC, and I've been sitting in front of the
TV for twelve hours straight for the past few days.  They break up the
gymnastics into little segments of four or five routines, which makes it
a pain.  SRC seems to be doing the best job so far, but NBC is still
the best, gymnastics wise.  I have caught some obscure routines which
might be interesting as well as most of the Canadian routines so far,
so some people might find the SRC/CBC coverage interesting.  I think if you
put NBC, SRC, and CBC together you would have pretty complete coverage.
I was also disappointed that NBC only showed Kotchetkova once.  CBC
showed her only on beam. CBC also showed Bi Weingjing (sp) a few times,
which NBC didn't.  It would have been nice if NBC showed Yvonne Tousek
from Canada on floor, at least.  She had a great routine and scored

I think the best commentators of the three stations are the SRC ones.
I don't know who the guys are, but they seem to stick to the routines,
and are quite knowledgable.  And no fluff from them.  Carole Orchard
on CBC is a little perky for my tastes, but she is also quite positive
and doesn't make too big a deal about mistakes.  Scott Russel
mostly stays out of it and sticks to the basic stats.


Date:    Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:05:05 -0400
From:    ***@KENT.NET
Subject: Who's taping CBC/SRC?

This is an appeal to anyone taping CBC or SRC on behalf of
the "Great Tape Swap".  Currently, there is a big demand
for CBC/SRC tapes and very few people willing to answer the call!
If you are taping CBC/SRC and would be willing to participate
in the trade, please e-mail me at  Most of the people
who want CBC/src coverage have NBC or other coverage to trade.




Date:    Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:14:01 -0400
From:    ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: WAG and MAG

Looking at USA GYMN's compulsory results, it looks like Rothlesberger,
Wilson, and Lynch made men's AA and Miller, Moceanu, and Strug made
women's AA.

note though that Dawes finished 11th i believe and phelps finished 29th,
but since miller placed 2nd, moceanu 5th, and strug 9th, they won't make aa.

Macready almost made AA for the men, placing in the top 30, but the 4th
US man....i think that says a lot about the men's team, that we placed 4
gymnasts in the top 30, and all 5 all around women in the top 30 -
primarily in the top ten.

Good luck USA men!!!!

by the way, it looks like women's gymn on NBC tomm will be later in the
evening, like 9pm - considering they showed it on and off yesterday from
9 to midnight.

anyone know where onodi placed and where we can see where all the
gymnasts placed after compulsories...they don't list all 36 yet


Date:    Mon, 22 Jul 1996 16:19:49 CDT
From:    ***@PROCTR.CBA.UA.EDU
Subject: men's team/men's team final?

I should know this, but what's the difference between Men's Team
Competition(today) and Men's Team Final(tonight)?



Date:    Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:20:00 EDT
From:    ***@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Subject: Opening Cerems

Just to help figure things out--

The entire French women's team marched in the Opening Ceremonies.  I saw
the happiest gymnasts on that team!  If anything, they have been the
happiest team both on and off the competition floor...along with doing
some fabulous gymnastics.  I think they are the team most exhibiting the
Olympic Spirit--too bad no one sees it on TV!


Date:    Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:34:01 -0400
From:    ***@GNN.COM
Subject: John Tesh

The best moment of last night's coverage was when John Tesh said Yelena
Piskoun looked just like Vitaly Scherbo and Elfi Schlegal literally gasped.

Also, I think Khorkina was a little disserviced by her early place in the
lineup on more than one event last night.  For all I know (thanks, NBC!) she
anchored on bars, but she was early on all the other events.  I know she
isnt performing at her best as of late, but she's so popular and so
innovative and capitvating, that I think she deserves more.  After all, she
is the reigning Euro Cup champ and the reigning World AA silver medalist.



Date:    Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:55:03 -0400
From:    ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: Re: WAG and MAG

you are right shawn...i forgot :)

> Well, the AA finalists haven't been decided yet.  They still have the
> team optionals left.  They take their AA score from optional team
> competition and add it to the Compulsory AA scores.  Remember in
> Barcelona when Kim Zmeskal fell in compulsories but came back and
> beat Kerri Strug in team optionals to qualify for AA finals?
> Shawn


Date:    Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:57:09 -0400
From:    ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: another onodi?

I was just reading the Aug/Sept IG and saw there was a Gabriella Onodi
who finished 19th in the junior division of Europeans...Is this
Hennrietta's sister?


Date:    Mon, 22 Jul 1996 18:01:00 EDT
From:    ***@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Subject: Re: weight problem.

I'm sorry, but Kovacs' post about post-Olympic gymnasts gaining weight
is exactly what the sport and these gymnasts do not need to hear.

As gymnasts, 20-40 hour workouts each week keep body fat extremely low.
Most top gymnasts to not get their period until they stop training so
that their bodies may gain the fat and go through the changes that
happen when girls become women.

As people who are involved with the sport, many people think that the
way gymnasts look is the way they should always look.  Gymnasts' bodies
are completely in view of the world--we used to say that it's almost
like performing naked.  But how many people are evaluated by how they
look in a bathing suit?  In the real world (i.e.  not gymnastics), where
people wear loose-fitting clothing, many top gymnasts look frighteningly
thin (did anyone ever see Okino in a pair of shorts during her
competitive career?).

Sure, most gymansts do gain weight after they stop training as hard as
they once did.  But it is NATURAL and it is supposed to happen--these
gymnasts are becoming women, and it happens to is just a
little more noticable in gymnasts because their bodies are always in
public view.

It is difficult enough for retired gymnasts to get accustomed to their
new, womanly bodies.  We have no right to be involved with their
transitions in life.  None of us have any right to criticize a gymnast's

I think that if we are talking about weight problems in gymnastics, we
should look at the REAL problems--anorexia and bulimia.

I feel very strongly about these issues because I went through the same
post-gymnastics weight gain and it caused many problems because I didn't
know how to adjust.  We have to be supportive of athletes--and remember
that their lives are private.


Date:    Mon, 22 Jul 1996 18:02:00 EDT
From:    ***@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Subject: Re: weight problem.

Sorry I didn't sign that last post.  I didn't mean to send it before I
signed it.


Date:    Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:43:33 PST
Subject: 1988 Olympians

I've drawn a blank as to who was on the 1988 women's gymnastics Olympic team. I
remember Phoebe Mills, Brandy Johnson and Kelly Garrison. I want to say Hope
Spivey was another, but I can't remember the other two. Please let me know if
anyone remembers. Thanks!


Date:    Mon, 22 Jul 1996 18:44:01 -0400
From:    ***@IC.AC.UK
Subject: O: MAG Team Results

Olympic Games 1996

Atlanta, USA            19 July - 4 August, 1996

Mens Team Results

                Compulsories    Optionals        Total
                ------------    ---------        -----
 1. Russia      287.258         289.520         576.778
 2. China       286.283         289.256         575.539
 3. Ukraine     285.359         286.182         571.541
 4. Belarus     285.222         286.159         571.381
 5. USA         284.634         285.984         570.618
 6. Bulgaria    283.534         284.033         567.567
 7. Germany     282.147         285.258         567.405
 8. Korea       283.384         283.670         567.054
 9. Romania     281.873         284.384         566.257
10. Japan       282.823         283.196         566.019
11. France      282.197         283.584         565.781
12. Italy       280.560         283.582         564.142



Date:    Mon, 22 Jul 1996 19:09:33 -0400
Subject: Re: WAG and MAG

I am not thrilled with the coverage of gymnastics.  I ask you, how can a
little girl watcht the gymnastics and set her own dreams if they are not
shown until ten o'clock at night?
I only saw kochetkova once, although I heard that she set up galieva
great on floor.  And if arkayev doesn't like grosheva, how come she is
anchoring two events?
Way to go Kerri!!! She is my choice for best performance on floor and vault.
And, I found these games to be unexciting so far.  Maybe that is because
all I saw were romanians, americans russians and chinese.  I did see
tousek, but it was in the backround.


Date:    Mon, 22 Jul 1996 18:04:40 -0500
Subject: SPOILER - Men's Team Results

1.  Russia, 576.778
2.  China
3.  Ukraine, 571.541
4.  Belarus
5.  United States, 570.618

Congrats to the men!!!



End of GYMN-L Digest - 22 Jul 1996 - Special issue