GYMN-L Digest - 21 May 1996 - Special issue
There are 20 messages totalling 608 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. Womens Europeans (Juniors EF results)
2. Leotards (3)
3. Kim Kelly (2)
5. Former USSR republics in women's Euro Finals
6. WAG: Sports Channel: OLYMPIC ODDESY (sp?)
8. Gyms in Belgium
9. WAG: EUROPEANS FINALS, VAULT. (2)
10. Nelli Kim?
11. NCAA questions
12. Another What ever happened to... (2)
13. position available
14. USA:'97 Maccabiah Games
15. L5-L10 Fundraising
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 07:23:09 -0400
Subject: Womens Europeans (Juniors EF results)
Womens European Championships 1996
Birmingham, England 16-19 May, 1996.
Juniors Event Finals
1. Maria Olaru (ROM) 9.687
2. Elena Zamolodchikova(RUS) 9.668
3. Inga Shkarupa (UKR) 9.662
4. Anna Kovaleva (RUS) 9.631
5. Ainhoa Aguado (ESP) 9.599
6. Alexandra Marinescu (ROM) 9.543
7. Andrea Behunova (SVK) 9.487
8. Adriana Crisci (ITA) 9.268
1. Elvire Teza (FRA) 9.812
2. Olga Teslenko (UKR) 9.725
3. Alexandra Marinescu (ROM) 9.725
4. Viktoria Karpenko (UKR) 9.712
5. Martina Bremini (ITA) 9.675
6. Emilie Volle (FRA) 9.500
7. Ludmila Ezhova (RUS) 9.225
8. Kirsten Visser (NED) 8.950
1. Alexandra Marinescu (ROM) 9.750
2. Elvire Teza (FRA) 9.675
3. Ludmila Ezhova (RUS) 9.412
4. Viktoria Karpenko (UKR) 9.387
5. Adriana Crisci (ITA) 8.987
6. Olga Teslenko (UKR) 8.750
7. Eva Sevcova (SVK) 8.700
8. Diana Texeira (POR) 8.625
1. Viktoria Karpenko (UKR) 9.675
2. Adriana Crisci (ITA) 9.662
3. Alexandra Marinescu (ROM) 9.625
4. Martina Bremini (ITA) 9.562
5. Orelie Troscompt (FRA) 9.500
6. Ksenia Bogdanova (RUS) 9.475
7. Maria Olaru (ROM) 9.412
8. Elena Zamolodchikova(RUS) 9.125
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 13:02:12 +0100
Subject: Re: Leotards
I'm probably re-iterating an old discussion trail and seem to
recall posting on this subject about 18 months ago but here
Seeing Bogi compete again in the Euro's was really great - but
y'know (! ) what let her down, the colour of her leotard. The
floor for the FX was a very off-white and Bogi in her all white
sequinned number did not look the part. Out of interest, do the
gymnasts get to find out what colour the floor will be before
they compete in the big comps? I seem to remember that the
Barcelona Olympics floor was a light royal blue and this went
well with the Romanian's leo's.
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 08:30:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Leotards
> Seeing Bogi compete again in the Euro's was really great - but
> y'know (! ) what let her down, the colour of her leotard. The
> floor for the FX was a very off-white and Bogi in her all white
> sequinned number did not look the part. Out of interest, do the
> gymnasts get to find out what colour the floor will be before
> they compete in the big comps? I seem to remember that the
> Barcelona Olympics floor was a light royal blue and this went
> well with the Romanian's leo's.
The floor at Barcelona was a sort of rust shade of brown. I remember
thinking the Australians' yellow leos, which I thought looked good
against the blue in Indianapolis, didn't look that great against the brown.
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 08:00:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Kim Kelly
To imply that this was just another suit in a sue-crazy world is
cruel. The selection process in 1992 was beneficial to noone, unfair
to some athletes and put Kim Kelly out in the cold when she hit
at all three meets. She beat Wendy Bruce at both the Trials and
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 05:40:49 -0700
> I know I have already commented on this, but I just had to
>comment about something that someone said. Let's think about exactly
>what Alexandra Marinescu said about Dominique Moceanu. She said she
>competed against better (and who out there actually believes that this
>statement is not true? If you say this is not true that means you are
>saying that Dominique Moceanu is actually undoubtedly the best gymnast
>ther world. Now who honestly actually believes this?)
Surely she has competed against better. Personally, I don't really
care for Moceanu's gymnastics but I am certaintly not going to go
around making rude comments about her or her gymnastics. Marinescu is
good too but how can anyone say that she is the best in the world? I
just think that you don't have a right to go around and put others down
just because their not as good as you are.
>said that Moceanu "has a lot to learn". Well, this statement can
>certainly be applied to anybody in any facet of life. I would hardly
>call these two statements harsh.
I would. Marinescu herself has a lot to learn. She's not as
high and mighty as she may think.
In that IG interview
>where she said that Bogi should retire, well since you can't tell the
>tone of voice based upon the written word, we have no way of knowing
>this comment was meant to be taken. In fact, it has in brackets after
>that comment the word laugh, which leads me to believe she wasn't
>serious. In the same interview, she praises Milo, saying that even
>you are older you can still do very good gymnastics and still win.
Than why did she make such a comment about Bogi?
What's the difference between Milo and Bogi? They are both terriffic
gymnasts who have beaten the odds. Oh wait, Bogi's from a different
country. I must have forgotten. Silly me....
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 09:46:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Kim Kelly
>> I was watching the women's NCAA Championships, and the commentators said
>>that Kim Kelly earned a place on the Barcelona Olympic team, but lost the
>>spot to someone who came back from injury. Does anyone know who the
>It was Michelle Campi who took the last spot on the Barcelona Olympic Team.
> Kim Kelly was not on the team. She did not make the final cut and Michelle
Don't forget Betty Okino- she was also was injured and did not compete in the
Olympic trials and petitioned onto the Olympic squad. Michelle Campi took
the alternate spot, but Okino took up a spot too that could have been
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:01:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Leotards
> > Seeing Bogi compete again in the Euro's was really great - but
> > y'know (! ) what let her down, the colour of her leotard. The
> > floor for the FX was a very off-white and Bogi in her all white
> > sequinned number did not look the part. Out of interest, do the
> > gymnasts get to find out what colour the floor will be before
> > they compete in the big comps? I seem to remember that the
> > Barcelona Olympics floor was a light royal blue and this went
> > well with the Romanian's leo's.
> The floor at Barcelona was a sort of rust shade of brown. I remember
> thinking the Australians' yellow leos, which I thought looked good
> against the blue in Indianapolis, didn't look that great against the brown.
Vicki, I have to agree with you that the colour of the leotard and the
floor shouldn't clash. It makes it hard to watch...I suppose Bog. could have
looked like she became part of the floor under certain lights or
something odd like that. The floor at Barcelona was both brown and light
royal blue. Not at the same time though. -Lisa
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 17:52:24 +0300
Subject: Former USSR republics in women's Euro Finals
Has there been a post about why so many pulled out from the US classic
after Comp.? Just curious...
I never saw an answer to the questions about whos record Scherbo had
broken. The record that they were probably refering to on the tele,
(which I did not see), was his own record. Scherbo beat his old record,
and that is probably why they did not give another name for the athlete
he originally displaced, the first time he broke it...
I just noticed (considering that I had posted about the Former soviet
medal count etc not to long ago in World Championships)that if you look
at finals (for women) at the Euros this year the former republics, which
would have only been allowed 2 spots before, occupied 5 or 6 of 8 (or 9
in one case).
Vault: 5 of 9
Bars:6 of 8
Beam: 6 of 8
Floor: 5 of 8
NO COVERAGE OR ACKNOWLEDGEMENT ON TV HERE YET FOR LILIA, AND I HAVE BEEN
WATCHING THE SPORTS SECTION EVERY EVERY NIGHT ON TV (I want to catch a
glimps of gymnastics at least)! Things happen slowly here....
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:07:20 -0600
Subject: WAG: Sports Channel: OLYMPIC ODDESY (sp?)
Anyone else catch the Junior Olympic Nationals televized on the Sports
Channel last night? I only saw the 13 - 14 and then the 16 + people (I think
but not certain how it was grouped). It was really refereshing to see
faces I haven't heard of or seen before. One gymnasts (last name
Dixon) from Illinois did a really neat wrong grip front giant - immediate
wrong grip endo then a Tkatchev as a series. It looked SO COOL. Lots of
hops on the low bar jump to high transitions.
Stacy Wong of California (the 16 + AA champ) Threw an into-the-corner-without-
an-inch-to-spare AWESOME non piked double layout (NAILED THE LANDING!) and
a super high tkatchev on bars. Also, there were alot of triple fulls. A few
gymnasts even seemed to finish the twist priot to landing and just dropped out
of the move. Super cool.
Most impressive combination tumbling pass was Wong (again) for her second
pass of front-ro-whip-whip-ff-double full with so much power. She's
built like Mary Lou. She's SO STRONG!
Dina and Alexandra, oh my!
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 17:45:13 PDT
I saw the Oprah Winfrey Show here yesterday, and now I understand why
everyone was so angry!
It was terrible! I cannot believe that they could say some of the things
Julissa Gomez was injured performing a difficult move - Yurchenko. But, they
didn't mention that hundreds of other girls all over the world are competing
I wasn't impressed with Kristy Phillips much. She kept contradicting
herself. Betty should have spoken more, but what she said was good. She knew
she had a serious injury, but chose to compete, FOR HERSELF!
As for eating disorders, you must remember that millions of people, not only
gymnasts have anorexia or bulimia. (sp?)
Gymnastics is a risky sport, so is motor racing, rugby, athletics, all
sports! If you do not want to be injured or hurt you should stay in bed all
Gymnastics is not the only way to get hurt!
What about the positive side of the sport? The fact that we enjoy it, it
teaches extreme discipline, it keeps teenagers who could be out doing drugs
etc. off the street.
The program overall, made me sick!
Please would someone send me the address where I can write to the show
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:56:46 -0400
Subject: Gyms in Belgium
A family that currently lives in our area is being transferred to Belgium for
Does anyone have any information on gymnastics club in Belgium? If so,
please e-mail me privately.
Thanks for your help.
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:02:02 -0600
Subject: WAG: EUROPEANS FINALS, VAULT.
I don't know if this is true, but I thought I'd ask:
Was Einat Kedar's 8th place finish on vault the first time an Israeli gymnast
has ever qualified for event finals? I've never seen one before. Kodoos to her
if this is the case!
Dina and Alexandra, oh my!
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:13:36 -0400
Subject: Nelli Kim?
I have another *Whatever happened to* question....
I came across an old IG magazine (1977), and saw some pictures of Nelli Kim
in it....what has been going on with her? I always remember her from the 76
Olympics, and the commentators talking about how she always seemed to be
pushed to one side because of the *competition* between Olga and Nadia.
Thanks for any help on this!!
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 09:34:41 PDT
Subject: Re: WAG: EUROPEANS FINALS, VAULT.
>Was Einat Kedar's 8th place finish on vault the first time an Israeli gymnast
>has ever qualified for event finals? I've never seen one before. Kodoos to her
>if this is the case!
Michal Schahaf won the vaulting title at the 1993 Junior Europeans (over
Cacovean and Rusan of Romania).
Also, Maya Shani of Israel won the silver behind Milosovici and ahead of
Vandisheva of Russia on bars at the 1993 European Cup.
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:56:31 CDT
Subject: NCAA questions
Does anyone know:
1. Is Kim Kelly the only gymnast to score three 10's in
a single NCAA Championships?
I think Hope Spivey-Sheely may have done it in '93, but not sure.
2. Is there a web site where you can find out the current NCAA
records, like team and apparatus records?
3. Has any NCAA gymnast scored over a 39.80?
I know Kristen Kenoyer, Dee Foster, Agina Simpkins and Jenny Hansen
have scored 39.80.
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 13:03:22 -0400
Subject: Another What ever happened to...
I remember a gymnast by the name of Elena Naimushina (or something similar)
from the late seventies. She was adorable. I remember at that time she did
a back handspring sideways across the beam instead of down the beam. I
think she also did one armed back handsprings on beam (innovative stuff for
the times). Next to Nadia back then, she was one of my favorites. Anyone
know what happened to her?
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:18:04 -0500
Subject: Re: Another What ever happened to...
Naimushina was the sixth member of the USSR team at the 1980 Olympics.
She finished 12th in the preliminaries.
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 15:00:55 -0400
Subject: position available
The largest Metropolitan New York/New Jersey Gymnastics school is looking
for enthusiastic coaches for its present facility and for its New facility.
We are the most productive J.O. Program in the State of New Jersey with 20
Individual and A-Atound state champions in th e1995-1996 season. We are
looking for Coaches who can work with the General Class student as well as
the Level 10 gymnast. The location of the gym is perfect for trips to New
York City or Vacationing in the Poconos or Jersey Shore. For more
information Please contact Rich or Craig at Eastern National Academy at
201-835-1665 or send, fax, e-mail resume to 201-835-6226, Ena 210 West
Parkway Pompton Plains NJ 07444, Czappa@bc.cybernex.net
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 15:47:13 -0400
Subject: USA:'97 Maccabiah Games
I wanted to alert all of you golf players, raffel ticket buyers, and
sponsors to the opportunity to help send the US Gymnastics Team to the 1997
Maccabiah Games in Israel next summer.
a Golf Tournament
on June 6, 1996
at Crest View Country Club
in Agawam, MA
to help raise the necessary funds to send the USA Gymnastics team to the
prestigious Macccabiah Games.
These games are designed to provide an opportunity for athletes who are of
Jewish faith descent to come together and compete in their respective
sport. Because the games are for a particular segment of the population
the selected teams need to finance their trip. Your assistance through
buying raffel tickets, being a sponsor, or participating in the above noted
Golf Tournament would be greatly appreciated.
For more information please contact :
Men's gymnastics coach
Springfield College, MA
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 14:12:22 -0600
Subject: L5-L10 Fundraising
I'm going to start posting regularly the results of fundraising efforts in
our *very* small gym. Currently, we have @ 22 gymnasts on team and are a
"quality rather than quantity" effort.
Having been behind in fundraising the past three years following a *massive*
parental burnout four years ago, the Berthoud School of Gymnastics parents
have realized that we need to raise funds in order for the kids to get a
quality competition experience out of state. Last year, we had to decline
invitation to a meet because of a short time line coinciding with a very
close after Christmas set of expenses.
We've set up a committee to set the fundraising budget in coordination with
the coaches. Early guesstimate is that we'll try to raise $10 - $12
thousand dollars this year for competition expenses. That's roughly $500
I've arranged for the local (Colorado State University) NCAA rep to brief us
in September about what we can, and can't do, regarding NCAA eligibility for
our gymnasts. This was at the advice of NCAA, where their compliance office
said that we need to set up a relationship with a trained NCAA rep because
even a lawyer would have problems reading and interpreting the NCAA manual
as it applies to qualification.
Our fundraising committee is separate from the fundraising budget committee.
We'll be posting our successes and failures to the group in hopes that
other folks can get some value out of it.
This summer, before competition season, we will be putting on two car washes
(the last one netted $558.23), participating in a craft show and doing a
raffle. We hope to raise $7,000 of our required funding through these
efforts in order to provide for the compulsory team.
We also have two consignment leo sales per year, one at the start of the
fall season and the other @ Thanksgiving for Christmas present leos.
We'll probably be doing a Christmas wreath sale in November and hope to
raise $2 - $3 thousand dollars on that. <If> we're running behind on
fundraising, it'll be time to stage the dreaded Christmas bake sale.
The key to a successful Christmas bake sale is to have it the weekend before
Christmas in a very successful public shopping area. Our local WalMart lets
us use their vestibule. We have everybody involved bring in special
Christmas cookies, breads, pies, etc. We may raffle off a gingerbread
house, a Happy Holidays Barbie (if they're in short supply again) or other
desirables. All of the goodies are weighed, put on decorated trays and they
sell really quickly. Much better than any other form of bake sale I've
participated in but realistically figure that $3,000 in income is the most
you can make from this fundraiser.
Then it's on to optional season. By the time it starts, we hope we'll have
our basic funding accounted for but that still leaves special events
fundraising for regional and national competition. We've got several
possible fundraisers on the agenda...a silent auction and Valentines' Dance
are under consideration.
How's everybody else doing in terms of planning for their gym's seasons?
What expenses do you try to cover? We're going for coaches fees, meet fees
and some other incidental fees in this year's budget.
End of GYMN-L Digest - 21 May 1996 - Special issue