GYMN-L Digest - 18 May 1996 to 19 May 1996

There are 17 messages totalling 463 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

1. Women's Euros AA: 1st Rotation
2. Spartanburg, S.C.
3. Results - All-Around
4. Spartanburg Annoyance
5. MAG: (Now Spartnburg free!)
6. Womens Euro AA Results
7. Good Luck Walker's :)
8. front
9. Skill you described-MAG (2)
10. Couple of Subjects
11. Survival Guide for Gymnasts
12. Enough queer stuff and back to the Gymnastics
13. Pink bunny rabbits and yellow duckies
14. Womens Europeans (Team Comp)
15. Womens Euros query...
16. Womens Europeans (Senior AA Results)

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Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 14:52:10 +0100
From: ***@ACHILLES.DEMON.CO.UK
Subject: Women's Euros AA: 1st Rotation

After one rotation:

1. Boguinskaya 9.825 (bars)
2. Podkopayeva 9.806 (vault)
3. Khorkhina 9.750 (vault)
4. Milosovici 9.637 (beam)
5. Amanar 9.612 (beam)

Random Observations...
- Gogean (defending champion) hasn't qualified for final 24.
- Kochetkova has scored a 9.525 with a wobbly beam; back in about tenth.
- Sheremeteva fell mounting bars and only scored 9.187
- Reeder scored 9.262 on bars (first time I've ever seen her stay on!);
her big moment will come in tomorrow's FX finals.
- Furnon has scored 9.537 with a so-so bars (great FX to come)
- Tsavdaridou of Greece is in 6th...no idea of apparatus, not televised.
- Khorkhina looked stiff vaulting.

Would love to supply further bulletins, but live tv's cut to something
else.

--
Frances

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Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 10:22:49 -0400
From: ***@INETNOW.NET
Subject: Re: Spartanburg, S.C.

Ok, Texx, here you go. You just called me and Dean bigots. Why? Because we
raised the issue of over whether USA gymnastics should get involved in these
political fights? You jumped the gun, and immediately wrote a long winded
post condemning everybody who did not agree with USA gymnastics decision to
THREATEN to pull the men's training out of Spartanburg, S.C.

You called them bigots. I have nothing aganist gay people. What I do have a
problem with is people who get on public forums and INSULT OTHER MEMBERS
PERSONALLY. I am not going to be called names and take it sitting down.

THIS ISSUE IS NOT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT HOMOSEXUALITY IS GOOD AND WHOLESOME,
IT IS ABOUT WHETHER OLYMPIC RELATED ORGANIZATIONS SHOULD INSTIGATE POLITICAL
BATTLES OVER THE POLITICS OF AN AREA.

If you want to discuss the merits of homosexuality, go to a gay and lesbain
chat room, or to alt.sexuality.gay or some other newsgroup. I am discussing
a legitmate issue that was brought up by our local newspaper involving USA
GYMNASTICS. My local TV station asked the same question.

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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 16:31:01 +0200
From: ***@MAIL.TELEPAC.PT
Subject: Results - All-Around

Spoiler, for anyone who hasn=B4t finished watching...

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RESULTS (from ARD in Germany)

1. Lilia Podkopayeva (39.205)
2. S. Boguinskaya (39.106)
3. L. Milosovici (39.067)
4. S. Amanar (38.942)
5. D. Kotchetkova (38.730)
6. S. Khorkina (38.549)


Keep on flippin'

Isabel F.
Porto, Portugal

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Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 09:03:36 -0700
From: ***@DIRECT.CA
Subject: Spartanburg Annoyance

I thought this was a list to discuss gymnastics, not politics. I may very
well strangle myself if people don't take this to private email or drop it
altogether. I actually thought I might get some gymnastics info (you know
scores, info about gymnasts etc.)....perhaps I accidentally subscribed to
the wrong list.

Jen

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Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 13:02:41 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: MAG: (Now Spartnburg free!)

Anyone else get a chance to watch the Men's Illinois High School Champs
last night on the Sports Channel?

I had a couple question:


1) What exactly are the rule difference for FX performed on a
40 x 40 mat verses the 'strip' they used at that meet?

2) I thought that they might get two vaults, but only one?

3) The gymnast who earned the 10.0 on PH earned it relative
to the field. He had great extension on all his moves.


4) A gymnast did a sequence on FX:

RUNNING FRONT-RO-FF-FF- full twist directly into
a split (UGH!!!!)


What is the value of that last move? I've never seen it before.


Thanks!!


Jeff


Dina, Dina, Dina.

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Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 19:02:46 +0100
From: ***@ACHILLES.DEMON.CO.UK
Subject: Womens Euro AA Results

No doubt Sherwin and others who were actually there will be checking in
with a five star report soon, but in the meantime...

1. Podkopayeva 39.205
2. Boguinskaya 39.106
3. Milosovici 39.067
4. Amanar 38.942
5. Kochetkova 38.730
6. Khorkina 38.549

Random Observations...
- No real quibbles with the result, except that maybe the gaps between 1
and 2, and 2 and 3, should have been a bit wider. Pod a class apart
frankly: sharp, fit, concentrating 100%, hitting everything. I was
sceptical about Bogey's comeback, but count me a believer now. She was
the only athlete there as sharp as Pod, though with less content.
- Add me to those who, after Puerto Rico, want Milo to bin her FX
medley. It's vile. Otherwise her form was okay, but she's no threat to
Pod. Amanar identikit Romanian routines apart from above-average FX.
- Dina suffered from a poor opening on beam. Got better later: good FX
and bars, but couldn't catch up. I stand by my earlier opinion that
Khorkina's stiff: that back of hers presumably. She fell on beam, her
last piece, but was off form from the start.
- My mistake earlier, Reeder's not in FX finals tomorrow (put foot out
in teams). Shame, both for her and the home crowd.
- Yardsticks for Atlanta? Put your money on the Chinese for team and Pod
for AA.

--
Frances

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Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 15:25:20 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Good Luck Walker's :)

This weekend (May 18 - 19) Gymnasts in Region 6 will be competing for a
Regional Championship. Among them will be Missy Carr, Colleen Chession,
Caitlyn Monese, and Shannon Martins all from Walkers Gymnastics and Dance in
Lowell, Mass. I want to wish all of them the best of luck and to have fun

~Your friend~
Heather

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Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 15:29:00 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: front

I love to front tumble and am working on a new pass : A front pike to a front
handspring to a layout (and hoping to get a full twist at the end!)
I do think , however, that it is worth too much

~Your friend~
Heather

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Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 09:21:20 +0000
From: ***@ALOHA.NET
Subject: Skill you described-MAG

In your post regarding the Men's Illinois High School Champs you
described a gymnast doing this skill:

RUNNING FRONT-RO-FF-FF- full twist directly into
a split (UGH!!!!)

Are you sure this is correct? Now I may not have technical expertise
in MAG but this skill seems very dangerous not to mention extremely
painful--couldnt help wincing when I read it. I would be interested
to hear what the value of this skill is. My guess it would be an E
for guts alone. Then again gymnastics is nothing without the risk
element.

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Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 15:52:23 -0400
From: ***@ZEUS.TOWSON.EDU
Subject: Couple of Subjects


1. STOP THE POLITICAL DISCUSSION PLEASE!! I think everyone has
had enough of these type of fighting on the list.

2. Looking for the Dominique Moceanu articles in People and Cosmo.
What are the dates of these articles? Please help me.

All for now,

Mikester Bee

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Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 15:41:21 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: Re: Skill you described-MAG

YES! It was that sequence. They showed it in replay!!! I have NEVER seen it
before.

Jeff

Dina, Dina, Dina.

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Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 19:44:55 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Survival Guide for Gymnasts

I am currently working on a new project titled "A Survival Guide for
Gymnasts." This book will be a follow up to one of my other books
"Gymnastics: A Guide for Parents and Athletes." I would like to get feedback
from coaches, gymnasts, judges, and parents on topics they would like to see
addressed in this book. Please send your comments and ideas to me care of my
e/mail address: ***@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 22:41:08 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Enough queer stuff and back to the Gymnastics

You know the olympics are around the corner... it's going to be an exciting
time!!! You know how I feel about our physically outmatched men's team -
what do you think our chances are of a medal (team? events?).

Where is Paul O'neil when you need him... he really could have been an asset
as our strength coach.

Oh well... our men's team spends to much time wondering how the country
should be picking up the tab for them because they didn't attend college or
make any career plans. It would be soooo nice for an outspoken member of the
team would accomplish something and become a role model???

"BC's" a great role model... ask him about the little "kicked off the team
and out of the university" issue some time?? Or hey, just ask his coach...
hmmm dismissed from the university as welll???? Must be just a little to
much of that "one on one" training...

Gotta love this sport!!

Mike

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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 00:01:59 -0500
From: ***@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
Subject: Pink bunny rabbits and yellow duckies

You know, I was really amazed with what the pink rabbits and the yellow
duckies could do when I saw them in the store the other day. They could
do flips and spin in circles and OH were they ever cute.

Now, what does this have to do with gymnastics? Absolutely nothing. But
since noone seems to care anymore, I thought I'd just go ahead and post
it. They were the darndest little things...

Do we get the point now??????

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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 04:28:54 -0400
From: ***@IC.AC.UK
Subject: Womens Europeans (Team Comp)

Womens European Championships 1996
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Birmingham, England 16-19 May, 1996.

Senior Team Results
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VT UB BB FX Total
1. Romania 29.350 28.762 28.950 29.099 116.161
2. Russia 28.700 29.311 28.549 29.099 115.659
3. Ukraine 28.937 28.712 28.474 28.799 114.922
4. Belarus 28.786 28.624 28.737 28.399 114.546
5. France 28.525 28.149 27.949 28.324 112.947
6. Hungary 28.274 27.524 27.799 27.349 110.946
7. Germany 27.800 28.449 26.824 27.624 110.697
8. Britain 28.362 26.774 27.349 27.936 110.421
9. Greece 28.036 27.961 26.199 27.811 110.007
10. Israel 28.525 28.287 25.837 27.336 109.985
11. Italy 28.325 28.449 25.837 27.237 109.848
12. Latvia 28.099 25.449 26.949 27.149 107.646
13. Slovakia 28.087 26.074 25.974 26.662 106.797
14. Czech Rep. 27.637 26.362 25.987 26.774 106.760
15. Switzerland 27.762 27.399 25.274 26.175 106.610
16. Bulgaria 27.699 26.037 26.087 26.762 106.585
17. Belgium 26.762 26.349 25.300 27.200 105.611
18. Spain 28.749 28.799 27.449 20.237 105.234
19. Norway 26.587 25.874 25.800 26.725 104.986
20. Finland 26.837 24.062 25.424 25.537 101.860
21. Iceland 26.462 25.549 24.825 24.986 101.822
22. Denmark 27.624 23.774 24.000 25.061 100.459
23. Slovenia 27.037 20.749 23.549 27.024 98.359
24. Croatia 26.261 19.774 23.337 24.387 93.759
25. Ireland 25.300 19.725 19.062 22.587 86.674

The Team Members:
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1. Romania: Amanar, Milosovici, Gogean
2. Russia: Kochetkova, Khorkina, Galieva
3. Ukraine: Podkopayeva, Sheremeta, Mirgorodskaya
4. Belarus: Boguinskaya, Piskoun, Tarasevich, Polozkova
5. France: Furnon, Canqueteau, Severino, Gely
6. Hungary: Krausz, Varga, Ovary, Abraham
7. Germany: Stark, Klemrath, Hofmann, Buelhlow
8. Great Britain: Reeder, Cuff, Lawrence, Cox, Lusack
9. Greece: Tsavdaridou, Firinidou, Margariti, Karentzou
10. Israel: Peer, Shani, Kedar
11. Italy: Rocchi, Meneghesso, Ferrazzi, Morotti
12. Latvia: Prince, Feofilova, Presniakova, Kasenko
13. Slovakia: Kinska, Tonkovicova, Kucharcikova, Ambrova, Bohmerova
14. Czech Rep: Krcmarova, Stastna, Smrckova, Kasovska, Fialova
15. Switzerland: Grossenbacher, Schnell, Baechler, Schnetzer
16. Bulgaria: Gentcheva, Vassileva, Zlatkova
17. Belgium: Cohnen, Debras, Van den Brandt
18. Spain: Juarez, Martin, Valle, Castro
19. Norway: Al-Sayed, Ostreng, Sjovall, Sjetne Lund
20. Finland: Piiroinen, Sirvio, Parjanen, Rasala, Alimyllymaa
21. Iceland: Magnusdottir, Jonsdottir, Gunnlaugsdottir, Elisdottir
22. Denmark: Andreasen, Jensen, Dalsten Hansen, Lauth Hansen
23. Slovenia: Mavric, Peric, Vrscaj
24. Croatia: Predic, Ivezic, Jerkovic
25. Ireland: Duggan, Murtagh, Tracey, Ivie

Sherwin

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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 05:26:13 -0400
From: ***@IC.AC.UK
Subject: Womens Euros query...

I heard that ARD has shown some women European gymnastics
yesterday, has anybody managed to tape it at all? If so then
please please please I'll be very interested to hear from you,
especially if they show any junior portions (since BBC did
show quite good coverage of the seniors). Thank you very much.

I can get ARD but I have no idea they were showing it
beforehand.

Sherwin

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Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 05:53:52 -0400
From: ***@IC.AC.UK
Subject: Womens Europeans (Senior AA Results)

Womens European Championships 1996
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Birmingham, England 16-19 May, 1996.

Senior All-Around Results
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VT UB BB FX Total
1. Lilia Podkopayeva (UKR) 9.806 9.725 9.762 9.912 39.205
2. Svetlana Boguinskaya(BLR) 9.731 9.825 9.775 9.775 39.106
3. Lavinia Milosovici (ROM) 9.793 9.837 9.637 9.800 39.067
4. Simona Amanar (ROM) 9.831 9.737 9.612 9.762 38.942
5. Dina Kochetkova (RUS) 9.656 9.762 9.525 9.787 38.730
6. Svetlana Khorkina (RUS) 9.750 9.750 9.262 9.787 38.549
7. Vasiliki Tsavdaridou(GRE) 9.425 9.612 9.600 9.625 38.262
8. Monica Martin (ESP) 9.549 9.500 9.525 9,662 38.236
9. Ludivine Furnon (FRA) 9.474 9.537 9.387 9.712 38.110
10. Joana Juarez (ESP) 9.649 9.637 9.037 9.700 38.023
11. Yelena Piskoun (BLR) 9.187 9.787 9.575 9.350 37.899
12. Nikolett Krausz (HUN) 9.581 9.175 9.362 9.737 37.855
13. Annika Reeder (GBR) 9.431 9.262 9.325 9.525 37.543
14. Kathleen Stark (GER) 9.543 9.037 9.362 9.537 37.479
15. Giordana Rocchi (ITA) 9.531 9.437 9.037 9.462 37.467
16. Ludmila Prince (LAT) 9.487 9.400 8.925 9.512 37.324
17. Lioubov Sheremeta (UKR) 9.512 9.187 8.887 9.625 37.211
18. Pascale Grossenbacher(SUI) 9.443 9.050 8.862 9.350 36.705
18. Adi Peer (ISR) 9.118 9.525 8.687 9.375 36.705
20. Ilenia Meneghesso (ITA) 9.468 9.150 8.525 9.462 36.605
21. Cindy Klemrath (GER) 9.462 9.187 8.225 9.362 36.236
22. Gabriela Krcmarova (CZE) 9.268 9.175 8.525 9.187 36.155
23. Maya Shani (ISR) 9.437 8.600 8.587 9.237 35.861
24. Monique Cohnen (BEL) 9.043 8.275 8.912 9.350 35.580

Sherwin

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