GYMN-L Digest - 18 Jan 1996 to 19 Jan 1996

There are 15 messages totalling 334 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Out of bounds.
  2. Univ. of Georgia
  3. Introduction
  4. Kim's comeback
  5. Gymnastics newsgroup
  6. Erika Flammer
  7. GYMN-L Digest - 17 Jan 1996 to 18 Jan 1996
  8. TWISTING: both ways, and Piskun on beam
  9. kasamatsu twist direction
 10. Righties, Lefties, stuff
 11. Sites
 12. Georgia Gymnastics
 13. Bill Roth
 14. The LA Lights Invite (RSG) in Culver City, CA
 15. Style of Twisting


Date:    Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:55:22 -0600
Subject: Out of bounds.

There was recent talk about the 0.1 out of bounds deduction, but what I find
interesting is the fact that a gymnast should have 2 deductions made:

one for the step (0.1), and one for being out of bounds (0.1). Many times this
is not the case and only the single 0.1 deduction is made.


P.S. When are the SABAE EF being aired? This weekend?


Date:    Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:30:17 CDT
From:    ***@PROCTR.CBA.UA.EDU
Subject: Univ. of Georgia

Does anyone know why the University of Georgia is ranked so low?
There like 5th.  My guess is that they have injuries.  They have most
of the top recruits and they are usually ranked #1 in pre-season and
throughout the season.



Date:    Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:40:48 -0500
From:    ***@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU
Subject: Introduction

Hi!  I just wanted to introduce myself.  My name is Melissa.
I'm a freshman at George Washington.  I'm no longer a gymnast myself but
I still love the sport and I'm glad I've now found so many others who do
too.  My alltime fave is Kim Zmeskal so I do want to reply to the
predictions that have been made about her Olympic chances.  Her task
would be almost impossible for anyone else but Kim is no ordinary
gymnast.  If anyone is capable of this kind of comeback, it is her.  As
for medals, I just want to see her in Atlanta.  Especially since I'm
going to the Olympics so I really will get to see her.  I think she would
have a good shot for a medal on floor.  Her double layout is better than
most men's!


Date:    Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:13:46 -0800
From:    ***@UVIC.CA
Subject: Kim's comeback

Dear fellow gymners:
        I have heard some people commenting on the fact that Kim Zmeskal
will win the Olympic AA.  This is a really looooooonnnnnngggg shot in my
mind.  I can't remember who said that Bogi did really well during the '92
Olympics at 19.  Well I think that she did very well for herself there as
well, but she hadn't taken the 3 1/2 year leave of absence that Kim did.
Since Kim has been gone, many others have emerged onto the international
stage with much greater difficulty than Kim had (and has now, I might
assume).  If Kim won in Atlanta, I might have to assume that "home field"
advantge might have something to do with it.  If she even makes the
national team the proper way (not the "Betty Okino way" for example) I
would be MOST surprised, but as Chris Berman once said, "that's why they
play the game".  I am now about to be atacked by 400 Kim fans.




Date:    Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:29:54 -0600
From:    ***@LULU.ACNS.NWU.EDU
Subject: Gymnastics newsgroup

Hi everyone!

I just wanted to let you all know that there's now a gymnastics newsgroup
located at alt.sports.gymnastics-- I checked it the other day and there have
only been one or two messages. One poor person even thought that no one was
interested in the sport anymore!! Please hop over and check it out if you get
a chance, and start a thread or two.

-- Meighan


Date:    Thu, 18 Jan 1996 14:45:32 -0500
From:    ***@DELPHI.COM
Subject: Erika Flammer


     In the collegiate update, Erika Flammer from the University of
Pittsburg was mentioned.  Is she related to Monica Flammer (1995 Nationals
Beam Champion) ?  Just wondering.

Gymnastically yours,



Date:    Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:36:07 -0800
From:    ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 17 Jan 1996 to 18 Jan 1996

>Women - Shannon Miller, Kerri Strugg, Dominique Moceanu, Vanessa
>Mary Beth Arnold and Amy Chow.

            I was told by Rachele that Kim Zmeskal would be competing
in that competition. Anyone know what happened?


Date:    Thu, 18 Jan 1996 15:33:00 CST
Subject: TWISTING: both ways, and Piskun on beam

> What *I'd* be interested in is if anyone knew of someone
> who could twist just as easily to the left and to the right.

I remember a televised meet from a LONG time ago -- 10 or 15
years? -- in which a woman did two double fulls in a floor routine,
one to the left and one to the right.  It was unusual enough to
merit special mention from the commentator.

Don't remember who the athlete was, or the commentator either.

I've also been looking at Piskun's "full-twisting back handspring"
on beam, and I'm wondering whether it's really a full twist.
These days it's looking more to me like a back dive to handstand
with a 1/4 twist, followed by a 1/4 pirhouette out.  There doesn't
seem to be *nearly* as much twisting going on as with Khorkina
and Kochetkova... and I'm wondering if it's just a difference in
technique, or an optical illusion, or what.  For those who want
to check out Piskun's skill, there's a nice view of it in the
recent International Invitational from Atlanta.


Date:    Thu, 18 Jan 1996 17:07:48 EST
From:    ***@PRODIGY.COM
Subject: kasamatsu twist direction

Steve wrote:

> a Kasamatsu consists of a cartwheel onto the
> horse (1/4 twist) and then a 3/4 twisting somersault, but
everything *is*
> twisting is the same direction.  I did this vault in college, and I
was just
> going through the motions here in my office (good thing noone
walked by :) ),
> and everything twists the same way

Because of this post (which is incorrect), I have received 20 e-mails
asking me to re-post the following description of the difference
between a Kasamatsu and tsuk 1/1.

Tsukahara with 1/1 twist and Kasamatsu are similar vaults - but they
are different.   The difference is the direction of the twist of the
post flight in relation to the direction to the twist in the

When men do a layout Tsukahara with 1/1 twist, they are actually
performing a 1/4 twist on 1/4 twist off same direction (leaving them
facing the horse), and then a back layout 1/1 continuing in the same
direction as the preflight.   (one continuous twisting motion)

When doing the layout Kasamatsu, they perform the same 1/4 twist on,
reverse the twist and do 1/4 twist off the opposite direction
(leaving them facing away from the horse), and then do front layout
with 1/2 twist.

The tsuk 1/1 has a total of 1 1/2 twist including preflight and post

The Kasamatsu has 1/4 twist one direction and 3/4 twist the other
direction total.

Since women (girls) are allowed to perform any where from 1/4 - 1/2
twist on in preflight for tsuks - it is sometimes very difficult to
distinguish between the two different vaults at normal speed.

Many gymnasts perform the Kasamatsu and don't even realize it.

When watching these vaults from the side, you can tell which they are
doing by using the following technique:
during the preflight - watch to see if you see the back or belly 1st.
 If you then see the same 1st during the post flight - it was a
Kasamatsu because they reverse twisted.   If the twist continues in
the same direction you would see belly / back or back / belly making
it a tsuk 1/1.

I hope that this clears up some of the confusion.


PS:  The technique that someone mentioned of feeling wether your
belly or back faces the wall is also a great way of determining which
way the twist is going.


Date:    Thu, 18 Jan 1996 17:58:54 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Righties, Lefties, stuff

Well, to join in on the lefties-righties debate, here's my 2 cents.  I
personally hurdle and start all cartwheels, handsprings, walkovers, etc. with
my right foot, but my leaps feel awkward with my right foot in front, but are
fine with my left foot in front.  Is it because I push w/ my right foot  when
my left foot in front and push with my left foot  when my right foot in
What's up with Angela Ghimpu these days?  I haven't seen her since the US vs.
Romania meet in 1994.  Also, isn't the music she used called Axel F or Axel
Fully?  Can someone clarify that for me?
I think Moceanu's little jump after that pass should be a deduction.  She
jumps forward and it isn't really a leap, where as Yelena Prygunova does a
leap after one of her passes.
Has anyone else noticed that the Romanians are pretty tall for gymnasts?  2
summers ago, wasn't Lavinia Milosevici 5' 3 1/2 or something like that?


Date:    Thu, 18 Jan 1996 19:08:15 -0500
From:    ***@PRIS.BC.CA
Subject: Sites


I am just getting into the gymnastics seen, and am about to get my level one
coaching certificate.  What I request is some internet sites, which may have
coaching information mainly for coaching technical.  Any advice or help
would be greatly appreciated.



Date:    Thu, 18 Jan 1996 21:46:28 -0500
From:    ***@GNATNET.NET
Subject: Georgia Gymnastics

In reply to the question about Georgia gymnastics, it cannot be a matter
of injuries.  Samantha Muhleman was the only gymnast out of all twelve
Georgia gymnasts who did not compete at least one routine at the GA v.
FL meet.  The Georgia team is so deep that Leah Brown was their only
all-arounder.  Since the Georgia team throws one of the highest levels
of difficulty, I feel THE highest level of difficulty, in the entire
NCAA, perhaps the voters who rank teams are counting on Georgia having a
lot of falls at NCAA's, especially after the Super Six beam debacles
they have had the past two years.  Notice that they have ranked Alabama
first, a team which traditionally competes a lot of "safe" skills,
rather than the all out "Go for it!" of Georgia.


Date:    Thu, 18 Jan 1996 23:28:03 -0500
From:    ***@MOOSE.UVM.EDU
Subject: Bill Roth

Bill Roth is from my area and in our local newspaper it said that he was
going to be competing in the West Point meet on January 12-13. I saw the
results in the Collegiate Update and I only saw his name in the event
finals competition. Did he compete in the all-around the day before or
was he only there for the individual events finals.



Date:    Thu, 18 Jan 1996 21:01:51 -0000
From:    ***@UNISERVE.COM
Subject: The LA Lights Invite (RSG) in Culver City, CA

Is there anybody out there that will be partcipating/watching the event?
Please let me know the result and any other tid-bits regarding the event.
Mario        \O/   /\   (father of a young rhythmic gymnast)
              l    ll


Date:    Fri, 19 Jan 1996 05:17:25 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Style of Twisting

Hello All,

Hopefully I have already answered many of the questions that have come up on
this list about twisting left or right.  It's written in an article I wrote
for Technique Mag. in the June 1995 issue.  Check it out and then email me
with your comments and questions.  I beg for the hard questions!  This topic
is my passion, but I don't claim to know everything.  (Just most of
everything!  Ha ha!)  See ya!



End of GYMN-L Digest - 18 Jan 1996 to 19 Jan 1996