GYMN-L Digest - 17 Nov 1995

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Topics of the day:

  1. IBM AGI commentary part 2 (3)
  2. "E" Elements
  3. E Moves
  4. IBM AGI -- Final Scores, Men and Women

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Date:    Fri, 17 Nov 1995 13:08:00 MST
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: IBM AGI commentary part 2

IBM AGI, cont'd.

What a variety of vaults! The gymnasts demonstrated quite a bag of tricks,
and my position for viewing vault.  (It helped that they showed almost every
vault in slow motion on instant replay too!).  Mohini Bhardwaj (USA) led the
field on women's vault with a 9.737 with a pair of 1.5 twisting Yurchenkos
(the first landed with a hop, the second landed with a large step).
Bhardwaj is a great vaulter, in true Brown's style (Wendy Bruce, Brandy
Johnson). Oxana Knijnik (UKR) threw outstanding piked Cuervos (handspring
on, half-twist off into back somersault), with a distinct twist right at the
extended "heads up" vertical position.  Her vaults were simply outstanding.
Her second vault incurred a hop, resulting in a 9.693 average.  Ji Liya
adeptly asserted the significant improvement of the Chinese women in
vaulting and tumbling, vaulting Yurchenkos with *delayed* 1.5 twist.
Alexandra Marinescu (ROM), after some confusion with her vault score,
finished with a 9.618 average for her pair of Yurchenko-1.5 vaults, although
both had definite leg breaks before landing. Ji's teammate Liu Xuan, rounded
out the top five on this apparatus, vaulting Yurchenkos-1.5, each with a
step.  Two Chinese women in the top five on vaulting?? wow.  In addition to
Bhardwaj, Marinescu, Ji, and Xuan, the Yurchenko 1.5 was also competed by
Elena Grosheva (RUS) (delayed twist, sat on her first vault) and Katie Teft
(USA) (tucked; sat down on both attempts). The only gymnast to vault a
Yurchenko double full was Elena Piskoun (UKR), who dragged her left hand on
the ground for her first attempt and took a hop on her improved second
attempt for a 9.525 average and 7th on vault.

Roza Galieva (RUS) second attempt at her piked front half out was tight in
the air and stuck on landing (the first attempt was lacking).  Miho
Hashiguchi (JPN) vaulted Yurchenko-fulls -- how often do we see those
anymore?  Her first attempt was low, but the second was a definite
improvement. Diana Plaza (ESP) attempted a Yurchenko with 1/2 twist to the
horse, 1/2 off into front layout, but sat down on her second for a 9.143
average, while her teammate, Mercedes Pacheco, vaulted low piked fronts.
Mirela Turgulan (ROM) successfully threw the same vault as Plaza, but was
short on both vaults (9.518). Svetlana Boguinskaya vaulted open piked fronts
with 1/2 out.  Laetitia Begue (FRA) threw a Yurchenko-1/2, but the twist was
at the end, not the beginning, of the vault.  Teammate Elvire Teza also
threw a Yurchenko-1/2, with the half twist coming off the horse, but she sat
down her first attempt.  The second was improved, with Teza achieving an
arched layout position on the front somi.

George and I were were constantly awed by bars -- it was simply unreal.
Perhaps the judges couldn't differentiate among the wide variety of skills,
resulting in a four way tie for third. Piskoun impressed everyone; her
full-twisting hop has got to be one of the best; she scored a 9.775, the
highest score of the night. Bhardwaj slung her full-twisting double layout
dismount (9.312).  Begue, Teza, Grosheva, Liu, and maybe more (my notes are
slightly sketchy) all swung inverted grip giants, with Teza releasing from
inverts into a double front dismount (9.70), and Grosheva (9.70) and Liu
(9.70) released from inverts into tight piked Jaegers.  (And yes, George and
I saw several Higgins rolls by the end of the bars competition!) By
contrast, the many double layout dismounts looked almost simple. Boguinskaya
has a very pretty 1.5 pirrouette (9.637).

Other notable skills included Begue's Kim salto (reverse hecht release into
front somi, catching on the same side of the bar as the release), which
notched her only a 9.575.  Teza cruised through some unique combinations
(hope that they show her routine on TV!) including a German giant into
Tkatchev facing the "wrong way" on the bars.  Also heading the wrong way
were Sheremeta (9.637) on a giant, and Galieva (9.712), who did a wrong-way
Tkatchev, shoot through to the low bar plus a nice high piked Jaegar.  Her
double layout dismount was somewhat low, however.  Risa Sugawara (JPN)
surprised me on bars with a high Tkatchev and a double front dismount with
1/2 twist between the first and second somi. Her teammate Hashiguchi had a
simple bars set but ended, I believe (?), with a triple twist, also a
surprise.

While Liu Xuan's difficult routine (inverts --> Jaeger, free-hip front somi
transition from low to high, Tkatchev, double layout) satisfied our high
expectations of what the Chinese can do on bars, her teammate Ji had
problems, losing momentum on a giant blind, ticking her feet on the low bar
losing all momentum, and then dismounting with a simple double pike (8.825).
Both Romanians experienced slight breaks pirrouetting on bars: Turgulan
(9.362) had to pause after her full pirrouette on the low bar, and also had
some form breaks, notably on her full-hop. Marinescu needed a check after
her giant blind change to full pirrouette in the other direction.  Marinescu
made it through the rest cleanly however, dismounting with a 1/2 in 1/2 out
(or maybe the judges gave it credit for a full-out) and a 9.70, giving her a
share of third.

On to tonight's competition!

Yours in gymnastics,
Rachele - and - George

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Date:    Fri, 17 Nov 1995 17:23:27 -0500
From:    ***@YALE.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM AGI commentary part 2


> improvement. Diana Plaza (ESP) attempted a Yurchenko with 1/2 twist to the
> horse, 1/2 off into front layout, but sat down on her second for a 9.143

I'm confused -- how can you do a Yurchenko 1/2 twist to the horse, 1/2 twist
to front layout off?  Was it maybe just a regular 1/2 on? (In other words,
did she attempt a "Phelps"?)

:)
Adriana

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Date:    Fri, 17 Nov 1995 15:16:31 +0000
From:    ***@EFN.ORG
Subject: "E" Elements

I was wondering if someone could list for what moves are "E" moves,
most notedly on the floor exercise.

I know that a triple twist and a double layout are both "E" moves,
but what is that value of a tucked full-in, a piked full-in, a double
twist, etc.?  Does adding a whip before these moves add value?  How
about adding a punch front, before or after?

Also, what bar moves/releases/and dismounts are "E" moves?

(This is a lot to ask, but any answers would be welcome!)

Katie

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Date:    Fri, 17 Nov 1995 18:52:24 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: E Moves

In response to Katies Jaye's questions---

Examples of E moves on Floor:

FIG Code #
1.501 Tuck jump or hop with one leg horizontally extended forward and 2/1
turn in the air
8.502 Double Salto forward
8.504 Double salto back with 1/1 twist on the first salto (Tougikova)
8.506 Double salto back with 1/1 twist on the second salto (Chusovitina)
8.507 Double salto back with 2/1 twist (Silivas)
8.508 Double arabian salto

These are in addition to the triple and the double layout that were
mentioned.
The tucked full in as well as the piked full in are D elements in
international competition.  A double twist is a C element.  Adding a whip or
punch front before or after these moves may make the series eligible for
special connection bonus. That is really to complicated to go into, due to
the variety of rules,  however if you have something in particular in mind
you can e-mail me.

The FIG Code of Points is available from USA Gym.  Their telephone number is
1-800-4-USAGYM.

Hope this helps,

Myra

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Date:    Fri, 17 Nov 1995 19:46:00 MST
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: IBM AGI -- Final Scores, Men and Women

IBM Atlanta Gymnastics Invitational
Georgia Dome, Atlanta, USA
16-17 November 1995

Women's All-Around
                                          VT    UB    BB    FX    AA
       1 Alexandra Marinescu    ROM      9.618 9.700 9.787 9.675 38.780
       2 Roza Galieva           RUS      9.587 9.712 9.587 9.687 38.573
       3 Yelena Piskoun         BLR      9.525 9.775 9.387 9.662 38.349
       4 Elena Grosheva         RUS      9.243 9.700 9.575 9.662 38.180
       5 Liu Xuan               CHN      9.606 9.700 9.237 9.625 38.168
       6 Oxana Knijnik          UKR      9.693 9.512 9.212 9.625 38.042
       7 Laetitia Begue         FRA      9.468 9.575 9.625 9.237 37.905
       8 Mohini Bhardwaj        USA      9.737 9.312 9.500 9.350 37.899
       9 Elvire Teza            FRA      9.043 9.700 9.600 9.300 37.643
      10 Mercedes Pacheco       ESP      9.362 9.012 9.387 9.600 37.361
      11 Lyubev Sheremeta       UKR      9.393 9.637 9.275 9.012 37.317
      12 Mirela Tugurlan        ROM      9.518 9.362 9.137 8.962 36.979
      13 Katie Teft             USA      8.862 9.600 9.500 8.975 36.937
      14 Risa Sugawara          JPN      9.487 9.362 8.762 9.250 36.861
      15 Miho Hashiguchi        JPN      9.175 8.775 9.512 9.200 36.662
      16 Diana Plaza            ESP      9.143 9.400 8.712 9.062 36.317
      17 Ji Liya                CHN      9.668 8.825 9.175 8.475 36.143
      18 Svetlana Boguinskaya   BLR      9.493 9.637 0.000 0.000 19.130

Balance Beam

       1 Alexandra Marinescu    ROM      9.787
       2 Laetitia Begue         FRA      9.625
       3 Elvire Teza            FRA      9.600
       4 Roza Galieva           RUS      9.587
       5 Elena Grosheva         RUS      9.575
       6 Miho Hashiguchi        JPN      9.512
       7 Mohini Bhardwaj        USA      9.500
       7 Katie Teft             USA      9.500
       9 Yelena Piskoun         BLR      9.387
       9 Mercedes Pacheco       ESP      9.387
      11 Lyubev Sheremeta       UKR      9.275
      12 Liu Xuan               CHN      9.237
      13 Oxana Knijnik          UKR      9.212
      14 Ji Liya                CHN      9.175
      15 Mirela Tugurlan        ROM      9.137
      16 Risa Sugawara          JPN      8.762
      17 Diana Plaza            ESP      8.712
      18 Svetlana Boguinskaya   BLR      0.000

Floor Exercise

       1 Roza Galieva           RUS      9.687
       2 Alexandra Marinescu    ROM      9.675
       3 Yelena Piskoun         BLR      9.662
       3 Elena Grosheva         RUS      9.662
       5 Liu Xuan               CHN      9.625
       5 Oxana Knijnik          UKR      9.625
       7 Mercedes Pacheco       ESP      9.600
       8 Mohini Bhardwaj        USA      9.350
       9 Elvire Teza            FRA      9.300
      10 Risa Sugawara          JPN      9.250
      11 Laetitia Begue         FRA      9.237
      12 Miho Hashiguchi        JPN      9.200
      13 Diana Plaza            ESP      9.062
      14 Lyubev Sheremeta       UKR      9.012
      15 Katie Teft             USA      8.975
      16 Mirela Tugurlan        ROM      8.962
      17 Ji Liya                CHN      8.475
      18 Svetlana Boguinskaya   BLR      0.000

Men's All-Around               FX    PH    SR    VT    PB    HB     AA
 1 Alexandre Svetlichnyi  UKR 9.550 9.450 9.600 9.350 9.250 9.487 56.687
 2 Blaine Wilson          USA 9.250 9.375 9.687 9.400 9.325 9.500 56.537
 3 Eugeni Podgorni        RUS 9.662 9.450 9.100 9.325 9.500 9.475 56.512
 4 Jordan Jovtchev        BUL 9.462 9.300 9.612 9.450 9.200 9.300 56.324
 5 Jair Lynch             USA 9.450 9.325 9.275 9.225 9.450 9.550 56.275
 6 Rustam Charipov        UKR 9.375 8.925 9.437 9.400 9.412 9.562 56.111
 7 Andrei Kan             BLR 9.500 9.450 9.400 9.375 9.200 9.000 55.925
 8 Alexei Bondarenko      RUS 9.175 9.375 9.350 9.050 9.350 9.575 55.875
 9 Krasimir Dounev        BUL 9.150 9.275 9.350 9.475 9.325 9.175 55.750
10 Oliver Walther         GER 9.175 9.500 9.500 8.850 9.050 9.450 55.525
11 Huadong Huang          CHN 8.950 9.550 8.925 9.050 9.537 9.500 55.512
12 Kip Simons             USA 8.800 9.300 9.625 9.400 8.825 9.462 55.412
13 Masayoshi Maeda        JPN 8.900 9.175 8.750 9.125 9.587 9.562 55.099
14 Jan-Peter Nikiferow    GER 9.325 8.825 9.375 9.075 9.300 8.725 54.625
15 Mihai Bagiu            USA 9.350 8.875 9.225 8.800 8.875 8.850 53.975
16 Vitaly Rudnitski       BLR 9.587 9.500 9.475 7.950 9.200 8.175 53.887
17 Hong-Chul Yeo          KOR 8.500 8.500 8.825 9.687 9.200 9.150 53.862
18 Masanori Suzuki        JPN 8.450 9.400 9.075 9.525 7.650 8.450 52.550

Vault Standings

       1 Hong-Chul Yeo           KOR      9.687
       2 Masanori Suzuki         JPN      9.525
       3 Krasimir Dounev         BUL      9.475
       4 Jordan Jovtchev         BUL      9.450
       5 Blaine Wilson           USA      9.400
       5 Rustam Charipov         UKR      9.400
       5 Kip Simons              USA      9.400
       8 Andrei Kan              BLR      9.375
       9 Alexandre Svetlichnyi   UKR      9.350
      10 Eugeni Podgorni         RUS      9.325
      11 Jair Lynch              USA      9.225
      12 Masayoshi Maeda         JPN      9.125
      13 Jan-Peter Nikiferow     GER      9.075
      14 Alexei Bondarenko       RUS      9.050
      15 Huadong Huang           CHN      9.050
      16 Oliver Walther          GER      8.850
      17 Mihai Bagiu             USA      8.800
      18 Vitaly Rudnitski        BLR      7.950

Parallel Bar standings

       1 Masayoshi Maeda         JPN      9.587
       2 Huadong Huang           CHN      9.537
       3 Eugeni Podgorni         RUS      9.500
       4 Jair Lynch              USA      9.450
       5 Rustam Charipov         UKR      9.412
       6 Alexei Bondarenko       RUS      9.350
       7 Blaine Wilson           USA      9.325
       7 Krasimir Dounev         BUL      9.325
       9 Jan-Peter Nikiferow     GER      9.300
      10 Alexandre Svetlichnyi   UKR      9.250
      11 Jordan Jovtchev         BUL      9.200
      11 Andrei Kan              BLR      9.200
      11 Vitaly Rudnitski        BLR      9.200
      11 Hong-Chul Yeo           KOR      9.200
      15 Oliver Walther          GER      9.050
      16 Mihai Bagiu             USA      8.875
      17 Kip Simons              USA      8.825
      18 Masanori Suzuki         JPN      7.650

High Bar Standings

       1 Alexei Bondarenko       RUS      9.575
       2 Rustam Charipov         UKR      9.562
       3 Masayoshi Maeda         JPN      9.562
       4 Jair Lynch              USA      9.550
       5 Blaine Wilson           USA      9.500
       6 Huadong Huang           CHN      9.500
       7 Alexandre Svetlichnyi   UKR      9.487
       8 Eugeni Podgorni         RUS      9.475
       9 Kip Simons              USA      9.462
      10 Oliver Walther          GER      9.450
      11 Jordan Jovtchev         BUL      9.300
      12 Krasimir Dounev         BUL      9.175
      13 Hong-Chul Yeo           KOR      9.150
      14 Andrei Kan              BLR      9.000
      15 Mihai Bagiu             USA      8.850
      16 Jan-Peter Nikiferow     GER      8.725
      17 Masanori Suzuki         JPN      8.450
      18 Vitaly Rudnitski        BLR      8.175

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Date:    Fri, 17 Nov 1995 20:44:00 MST
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: Re: IBM AGI commentary part 2

Adriana:
>I'm confused -- how can you do a Yurchenko 1/2 twist to the horse, 1/2
>twist to front layout off?  Was it maybe just a regular 1/2 on?
>(In other words, did she attempt a "Phelps"?)

Well, I botched that one, eh?  =)  In my notes I have it written down as
"Yurchenko 1/2 on, 1/2 off" -- but if I try to remember it, I picture a
forward landing.  So the answer is, I'm not sure.  Several other Gymners
were at the meet, so maybe one of them can set me straight...

Rachele

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